Rev Wright - Change is going to come

[Logical]

If you have the chance quick turn to CNN he is speaking before the NAACP convention right now.

He is incredible and brilliant. I am really impressed, he is more impressive even than Obama as a speaker and a thinker
.:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:

[HolmeZz]

LMAO Wright is tearing it up.

[HolmeZz]

That was awesome. Terrific speech.

[Logical]

That was awesome. Terrific speech.
Indeed, I don't think I have ever heard the points made more succinctly and accurately.

[memyselfI]

Baarack supporters will love it, Hillary supporters will hate it and I think it will annoy and turn off a number of people in the middle. Rev. Wright is bringing that race issue front and center and when that happens Barry loses.

FTR, I thought it was a fascinating speech and I agreed with many of his points. I just don't see how it helps Baarack. I find Rev. Wright to be very genuine (with a big ego) but his disciple seemed to miss those sermons too.

[Logical]

Baarack supporters will love it, Hillary supporters will hate it and I think it will annoy and turn off a number of people in the middle. Rev. Wright is bringing that race issue front and center and when that happens Barry loses.

FTR, I thought it was a fascinating speech and I agreed with many of his points. I just don't see how it helps Baarack. I find Rev. Wright to be very genuine (with a big ego) but his disciple seemed to miss those sermons too.

I did not say it would help Obama, in fact my thread is not addressing Obama in any way other than Rev Wright seems to be an even better orator than Barack. You are the one bringing politics into it.

[HolmeZz]

Baarack supporters will love it, Hillary supporters will hate it and I think it will annoy and turn off a number of people in the middle.

Anyone who was already not going to vote for Barack simply because of Wright(and I don't think that was many people to begin with), would've done so already. In fact, I think Wright did plenty to quell fears of the truly non-partisans. The whole purpose of this, IMO, was to rehabilitate Wright's image and he came off funny and quite likable tonight. And the sooner Wright turns that corner, the less relevant an issue he remains as time goes on.

[jettio]

I have to say it was pretty stunning that CNN and Fox News would go to that live. I suppose nothing else was going on, but that was still surprising.

I figure C-Span would broadcast today's National Press Club speech, but maybe the cable networks will also broadcast it. I don't know what the topic of that speech is supposed to be.

My guess with Fox News is that they won't broadcast it today, just try to cut out a soundbite or two and miscontrue it.

The press will spend the next couple of days saying that this is bad for Obama and then a couple of weeks from now when Barack has the nomination, they will wonder what ever happened to that Reverend Wright fellow.

McCain has telegraphed that he has let strategists cloud his thinking. He is trying to call Obama out of touch with poor people, he would have never thought to say anything that ironic if he was thinking for himself.

Obama will have the momentum in Obama v. McCain the entire time unless McCain sells himself instead of trying to tear down Obama.

If McCain lets the strategists change his thinking and way of doing business, he has no chance at all.

[BucEyedPea]

I have to say it was pretty stunning that CNN and Fox News would go to that live. I suppose nothing else was going on, but that was still surprising.
I'm not at all surprised that Fox News would play it because they think Wright is the one running for office. * snicker *

[memyselfI]

Anyone see Rev. Wright at the Press club?

What is that sound????


It's champaign corks popping at the Clinton and McCain headquarters. ROFL

I think Tony Harris looks like he's going to puke. Juan Williams looks like he wants to strangle Rev. Wright. Soledad O'Brien looks like she wants to cry. It was just 12 hours ago she was fawning all over Rev. Wright and how misunderstood he is.

[Pennywise]

If you have the chance quick turn to CNN he is speaking before the NAACP convention right now.

He is incredible and brilliant. I am really impressed, he is more impressive even than Obama as a speaker and a thinker
.:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:

Good Lord...

LMAO

[vailpass]

Good Lord...

LMAO

The Obama boys are hilarious aren't they?
I can't get enough of gems like this one:

If McCain lets the strategists change his thinking and way of doing business, he has no chance at all.

[jettio]

This thread is getting a lot less play than the Hannity hyena pack threads of weeks ago.

All in all, my guess is this will not change the results in Indiana (Clinton now favored on tradesports) or North Carolina (Obama prohibitively favored on tradesports).

The worst of it regards Rev. Wright were the soundbites that the opportunists tried to exploit weeks ago. Wright getting way too much publicity by the press will not move the meter much and may make it harder to do the whisper campaign.

[StcChief]

here's the Dems ticket Obama/Wright lead US to the promised land. :rolleyes:

[Baby Lee]

Shuffle for us Gator!!!


Q: What did you mean when you said x x?
A: Have you listened to everything I've ever said? No!! Then shut yo' gat damn mouf!!!

[vailpass]

I especially enjoy the "white man done invented aids to kill all da black folk" theory.
Pure genius. Why wouldn't you want the next POTUS to have such solid, stable influence?

[Calcountry]

Nice exercise in brainwashing.

The phrase was "I believe change is coming". Always said after a strong emotional picture was painted.

I come away from that going, "change is coming, change is coming, change is coming". Like a dumb assed zombie. That is what the purpose of the message was, to attach the code words "change" to evil white injustices of yesteryear. Now whenever Obama says "change" the zombies will nod their approval, yes, change, we are famished for fresh human change.

[Friendo]

If you have the chance quick turn to CNN he is speaking before the NAACP convention right now.

He is incredible and brilliant. I am really impressed, he is more impressive even than Obama as a speaker and a thinker
.:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:

agreed Jim: I might could be talked into goin ta choich if I hada preacher like this. and kudos to him for not backing down at this point--maybe if the Christian Church had a real spine like this guy we'd be a lot better off.:thumb:
would certainly be better than the white-washed message being passed off now.

[Baby Lee]

With that performance, Wright gave Obama permission to utterly denounce him without reservation. Will Obama take the invitation?

[memyselfI]

With that performance, Wright gave Obama permission to utterly denounce him without reservation. Will Obama take the invitation?

If he does then he reinforces Wright's assertion that Baarack is a politician first and foremost. He didn't denounce Wright during the twenty years of his attending the church but did when the going got tough politically?

Fine pickle Baarack is in. His whole non-politician politician meme is becoming an albatross.

[Friendo]

Gergen was insisting last night that that's the case-that he hasn't yet shown the requsite toughness---"get angry" I believe is what he suggested. kinda the antithesis of his advice to the Bitch bout a month ago-"show she's human". it must be hell to do these "180 degree personality song-n-dance routines" just to satisfy the public's desperate need to be deceived.

[jettio]

With that performance, Wright gave Obama permission to utterly denounce him without reservation. Will Obama take the invitation?

Obama may be better off letting it go. If he issues a rebuke, there is no telling what Wright might say if given a forum.

Obama might be better off letting this press frenzy play itself out. the voters might end up paying attention to what matters more and not to what the pundits spend an inordinate amount of time on.

[HonestChieffan]

Im amazed people will fall for the buffoon. He is a racist of the highest order. Yet he is brilliant?

[Duck Dog]

Im amazed people will fall for the buffoon. He is a racist of the highest order. Yet he is brilliant?

He's black not white, therefore he can not be racist. I find it appalling and disgusting that whites can and do side with him (Rev Wright). To go through life as a self loather must truly be one of the most depressing ways to live.

[Jenson71]

I was born by the river in a little tent. Oh and just like that river I've been running ever since. It's been a long time, a long time coming but I know...

[mlyonsd]

With that performance, Wright gave Obama permission to utterly denounce him without reservation. Will Obama take the invitation?

Barack Obama, declaring “that’s enough,” denounced Tuesday as “appalling” and “ridiculous” comments made in the last few days by his former pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright Jr.

In a press conference in North Carolina, the Illinois senator used his strongest language to date to condemn Wright’s controversial sermons, which have remained a burden on his campaign since they became national news more than a month ago. Wright spoke Monday at The National Press Club in Washington, D.C.

“I am outraged by the comments that were made, and saddened over the spectacle that we saw yesterday,” Obama said.

“The person I saw yesterday was not the person that I met 20 years ago. His comments were not only divisive and destructive, but I believe they ended up giving comfort to those who prey on hate,” he said.

Wright capped off a weekend-long set of public appearances at the Press Club, returning to the spotlight and casting an unwanted shadow over Obama’s campaign. Wright used his appearance to taunt reporters, criticize his country’s foreign policy and claim the furor surrounding his sermons was an attack on the black church. He also suggested that Obama only distanced himself from Wright out of political posturing.

Obama said he was particularly “angered” by that suggestion.

“If Reverend Wright thinks that that’s political posturing, as he put it, then he doesn’t know me very well — based on his remarks yesterday I may not know him as well as I thought either,” Obama said.

Shortly after the Wright controversy broke, Obama condemned his pastor’s sermons but still kept him at an arm’s length, saying Wright was “like family” and he could no more “disown” him than his own grandmother.

But Tuesday, as he was still struggling to shake Hillary Clinton in the Democratic primary, Obama put as much distance as possible between him and his former pastor.

He disputed characterizations of Wright as his mentor saying: “He was never my spiritual adviser, he was never my spiritual mentor — he was my pastor.”

He said he is still a member of Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago but noted the controversy “obviously has put strains on that relationship.”
While still praising the church, Obama presented a rebuttal to Wright’s most controversial statements, arguing some of the key points that have made Wright a target of such scrutiny.

“All it was was a bunch of rants that aren’t grounded in truth,” Obama said of Wright’s Press Club performance . “And I can’t construct something positive out of that.”

Wright repeated his argument Monday that the United States brought terrorism upon itself by committing like acts overseas, and he did not back down from a claim that the U.S. government was responsible for afflicting the black community with HIV.

“But when he states and then amplifies such ridiculous propositions such as the U.S. government somehow being involved in AIDS; when he suggests that Minister (Louis) Farrakhan somehow represents one of the greatest voices of the 20th and 21st Century; when he equates the U.S. war-time efforts with terrorism, then there are no excuses,” Obama said Tuesday. “They offend me, they rightly offend all Americans and they should be denounced, and that’s what I am doing very clearly and unequivocally here today.”

Obama also disputed Wright’s argument that he is weathering an attack on the black church.

“I did not view the initial round of sound bites that triggered this controversy as an attack on the black church,” he said. “I viewed it as a simplification of who he was, a caricature of who he was. And more than anything, something that piqued a lot of political interest. I didn’t see it as an attack on the black church,” he said. “The sad thing is that although the sound bites as I’ve stated I think created a caricature of him … Yesterday I think he caricatured himself, and that was as I said, that made me angry but also made me sad.”

With two high-stakes primaries approaching May 6 in Indiana and North Carolina, Obama also stressed that Wright has no link whatsoever to his campaign.

“Moving forward, Reverend Wright does not speak for me, he does not speak for my campaign,” he said, adding “I cannot prevent him from continuing to make these outrageous remarks.”

He continued, “I want to use this press conference to make people absolutely clear that obviously whatever relationship I had with Reverend Wright has changed as a consequence of this. I don’t think that he showed much concern for me.”

“What Reverend Wright said yesterday directly contradicts everything that I have done during my life,” he said.

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/04/29/obama-i-am-outraged-and-angered-by-wrights-comments/

I'm starting to like this guy more and more.

[Calcountry]

Too bad Obama didn't quote Galations 3:28 to the good pastor, and tell him to check himself in the mirror and preach a little on that.

[Calcountry]

Obama may be better off letting it go. If he issues a rebuke, there is no telling what Wright might say if given a forum.

Obama might be better off letting this press frenzy play itself out. the voters might end up paying attention to what matters more and not to what the pundits spend an inordinate amount of time on.Sounds pretty ambivalent. I thought you had this election cycle all figured out?

You were prophesying on the outcome as if some great oracle had given you vision of future events not a week ago?

[vailpass]

Pretty effective denial by Baby Daddy IMHO. He said all the right things. His speech writers nailed this one.

[BIG_DADDY]

You were prophesying on the outcome as if some great oracle had given you vision of future events not a week ago?

He wishes

[memyselfI]

I'm starting to like this guy more and more.

You wouldn't if you understood that his overnight (20 year long) Rev. Wright epiphany happened after the latest batch of polls. :doh!:

[BIG_DADDY]

The Reverend is a self absorbed ass that is much more focased on the importance of making himself the next Jesse Jackson than on trying to support his friend Osama. This just goes to show what a short sighted he is.

[Calcountry]

"I could no more disown Rev Wright, than I could disown the black community" Barrack Hussein Obama.

Put a fork in him, he is done. There goes the neighborhood.

[Calcountry]

The Reverend is a self absorbed ass that is much more focased on the importance of making himself the next Jesse Jackson than on trying to support his friend Osama. This just goes to show what a short sighted he is.
I actually do a pretty good impression of Rev Wright. You should hear it. All you have to do is act as if you are taking the biggest shit of your life, and you have to grunt with all of your might from your diaphram, get down in that low tone and run the words out like a machine gun, raise and lower the syllables for emphasis, grab a breath and keep going and going and going.


Is that racist? Mocking a racist?

[BIG_DADDY]

I actually do a pretty good impression of Rev Wright. You should hear it. All you have to do is act as if you are taking the biggest shit of your life, and you have to grunt with all of your might from your diaphram, get down in that low tone and run the words out like a machine gun, raise and lower the syllables for emphasis, grab a breath and keep going and going and going.


Is that racist? Mocking a racist?

NO. The plop sound is what you were shooting for at first. Here I sit upon the pooper giving birth to Jeremiah Wright Jr. PLOP

[patteeu]

Anyone see Rev. Wright at the Press club?

What is that sound????


It's champaign corks popping at the Clinton and McCain headquarters. ROFL

I think Tony Harris looks like he's going to puke. Juan Williams looks like he wants to strangle Rev. Wright. Soledad O'Brien looks like she wants to cry. It was just 12 hours ago she was fawning all over Rev. Wright and how misunderstood he is.

I saw it in a hospital waiting room. I heard at least a half dozen people express varying degrees of negative reaction to it. The most positive was that "it's not so much what he says as the way he says it". I think his ego-driven, flippant style is a turnoff for most who aren't already in his camp. Reiterating his statement about America being a terrorist nation didn't go over well at all.

FWIW, I didn't hear any positive commentary which might just mean that the fans of black separation theology remained silent.

[jettio]

I saw it in a hospital waiting room. I heard at least a half dozen people express varying degrees of negative reaction to it. The most positive was that "it's not so much what he says as the way he says it". I think his ego-driven, flippant style is a turnoff for most who aren't already in his camp. Reiterating his statement about America being a terrorist nation didn't go over well at all.

FWIW, I didn't hear any positive commentary which might just mean that the fans of black separation theology remained silent.


Were you there for that autocranialrectal extraction procedure that we raised money for a while back?

You may not know much about much, but at least you pay attention to tv and don't just go around feeling sorry for yourself for having your head lodged up your azz all the time.

[BIG_DADDY]

Were you there for that autocranialrectal extraction procedure that we raised money for a while back?

You may not know much about much, but at least you pay attention to tv and don't just go around feeling sorry for yourself for having your head lodged up your azz all the time.

At least he pays attention to TV? ROFLROFLROFLROFLROFL

CLASSIC!!!!

[memyselfI]

Jim has been VERY quiet, too quiet, about the turn of events since the NAACP speech.

I'd like for him to comment on Baarack's outrage and anger at Jerry especially that he's angry that Jerry questioned his views in relation to being a politician. Baarack said 'he disrespected me' about this issue.

Apparently, for the Messiah it's ok for the good pastor to rant about race and anti-American views but dontcha dare question MY integrity or you are finished.

:rolleyes:

[vailpass]

The press will spend the next couple of days saying that this is bad for Obama and then a couple of weeks from now when Barack has the nomination, they will wonder what ever happened to that Reverend Wright fellow./QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Ill-Logical;4721440]Indeed, I don't think I have ever heard the points made more succinctly and accurately.

That was awesome. Terrific speech.


Wonder what these three supporters of Brother Wright, these three fans of this speech, have to say in the wake of Obamababymama's comments on the speech?

[HolmeZz]

Wonder what these three supporters of Brother Wright, these three fans of this speech, have to say in the wake of Obamababymama's comments on the speech?

Uh, Barack's comments were about what Wright did at the Press Club Q&A, not his NAACP speech or the Moyers interview, Brainiac.

[vailpass]

Uh, Barack's comments were about what Wright did at the Press Club Q&A, not his NAACP speech or the Moyers interview, Brainiac.

Wright's stance is the same no matter how you try to spin it.
You are on record as calling Wright's speech "awesome" and "terrific".
Do you stand by those comments? Do you categorize Wright's views as awesome and terrific?

[HolmeZz]

Wright's stance is the same no matter how you try to spin it.
You are on record as calling Wright's speech "awesome" and "terrific".
Do you stand by those comments? Do you categorize Wright's views as awesome and terrific?

LMAO Woooow. How far up your ass did you have to reach to pull out this reply?

His speech on Sunday night was nothing short of awesome. Maybe if you had watched it instead of assuming it was of the same nature as his other comments, you wouldn't look so retarded for posing such a moronic question.

[vailpass]

LMAO Woooow. How far up your ass did you have to reach to pull out this reply?

His speech on Sunday night was nothing short of awesome. Maybe if you had watched it instead of assuming it was of the same nature as his other comments, you wouldn't look so retarded for posing such a moronic question.

Wright is a buffoon pandering to the howling idiots in a grab for a share of the Sharpton-Jackson market. Wright is a racist black separatist who teaches that the US is a terrorist state and our government started aids to kill blacks. Trying to spin this off by saying "oh no, that was a different speech. This other one was great, the guy really knows what he is talking about" just does not work.

You either support his ignorance and hatred or you don't. Which is it for you? Judging by your class picture (below) I'm gonna' guess you are all for Brotha' Wright.

[mlyonsd]

You wouldn't if you understood that his overnight (20 year long) Rev. Wright epiphany happened after the latest batch of polls. :doh!:

Point taken.

But after listening to his remarks today I am impressed he understands Wright is part of the problem, instead of falling for Wright's words in a speech as the thread suggests.

You think that is politics and you are right. I understand a position must be taken and Obama finally addressed the issue to where I'm ok with it.

[HolmeZz]

Wright is a buffoon pandering to the howling idiots in a grab for a share of the Sharpton-Jackson market. Wright is a racist black separatist who teaches that the US is a terrorist state and our government started aids to kill blacks. Trying to spin this off by saying "oh no, that was a different speech. This other one was great, the guy really knows what he is talking about" just does not work.

You either support his ignorance and hatred or you don't. Which is it for you? Judging by your class picture (below) I'm gonna' guess you are all for Brotha' Wright.

You're a racist too, but that doesn't mean I disagree with every last thing you say. You can be pretty funny for a Grand Wizard.

Wright's speech, which had nothing to do with what you want to believe it did, was awesome.

[Bootlegged]

You're a racist too, but that doesn't mean I disagree with every last thing you say. You can be pretty funny for a Grand Wizard.

Wright's speech, which had nothing to do with what you want to believe it did, was awesome.

A snapshot in time...

Ah - to be young.

[HolmeZz]

Ah - to be young.

Ah - to be stupid.

[Bootlegged]

Ah - to be stupid.


That was tough to predict. One day when you're a big boy maybe you will get it.

[HolmeZz]

If you 'have it', believe me, I don't want to get it.

[Bootlegged]

If you 'have it', believe me, I don't want to get it.

Isn't life sweet as a young, ignorant liberal? Start paying some real taxes and maybe you'll see what is going on....

Till then - live in your bubble of dreams and HOPE. ROFL You phukng idiot

[HolmeZz]

Ah, there's my problem. I've been paying fake taxes.

[Bootlegged]

Ah, there's my problem. I've been paying fake taxes.

I'm sure your $200/year are really impacting you.

Dumb kid.

[Logical]

Isn't life sweet as a young, ignorant liberal? Start paying some real taxes and maybe you'll see what is going on....

Till then - live in your bubble of dreams and HOPE. ROFL You phukng idiot


Well I am an independent and probably at 52 make or more as you do and play plenty of taxes. I wonder when my bubble will burst?

[Bootlegged]

Well I am an independent and probably at 52 make or more as you do and play plenty of taxes. I wonder when my bubble will burst?

Jim - You've been a dipshit for years. I don't expect that will ever change. Back to your basement.

[HolmeZz]

I'm sure your $200/year are really impacting you.

Dumb kid.

And I'm sure you're mad that stupidity isn't tax deductible.

Dumbass.

[Bootlegged]

I'm sure you're mad that stupidity isn't tax deductible.

Again - talk to me when you are a big boy.

[Bootlegged]

Your bubble may burst when you realize that Dumbo Obama can't wave a magic wand and heal the world.....

But continue beating off to his speaches, because they mean so much. ROFL

[Logical]

Wright's stance is the same no matter how you try to spin it.
You are on record as calling Wright's speech "awesome" and "terrific".
Do you stand by those comments? Do you categorize Wright's views as awesome and terrific?Yes I stand by my statement and frankly I believe in context most of his statements with the exception of the aids statement have historical precedence and context. For example his statement on 9-11 in context is almost identical to the position Ron Paul and many libertarians have taken.

[Bootlegged]

Yes I stand by my statement and frankly I believe in context most of his statements with the exception of the aids statement have historical precedence and context. For example his statement on 9-11 in context is almost identical to the position Ron Paul and many libertarians have taken.

Exactly. This is what happens when you never get laid or leave your home.

[Logical]

Jim - You've been a dipshit for years. I don't expect that will ever change. Back to your basement.Never been in a basement that is Clayton, if you don't know the difference between the Dungeons of your Mind and a basement you need some more schooling. Do you want me to name you as a poster?

[Logical]

Exactly. This is what happens when you never get laid or leave your home.Dude that is Clayton (GoChiefs). Mr VoldemorTOM.

[HolmeZz]

You're better off not addressing Bootlicker.

[Friendo]

Isn't life sweet as a young, ignorant liberal? Start paying some real taxes and maybe you'll see what is going on....

Till then - live in your bubble of dreams and HOPE. ROFL You phukng idiot


I.......have become, comfortably dumb, er, I mean numb.

[patteeu]

Uh, Barack's comments were about what Wright did at the Press Club Q&A, not his NAACP speech or the Moyers interview, Brainiac.

Let's not dodge the issue here. I'd like to know if HolmeZz, jettio, and Ill-Logical all find Jeremiah Wrights talk at the National Press Club to be "outrageous"?

I didn't see the NAACP speech so I'll take you at your word that it was great (until I actually read the transcript and find out that it's really more of the same), but what's your take on the statements he made Monday?

[HolmeZz]

Let's not dodge the issue here. I'd like to know if HolmeZz, jettio, and Ill-Logical all find Jeremiah Wrights talk at the National Press Club to be "outrageous"?

I didn't see the event, but I heard he brought up his 'government introducing AIDs' theory. That silly conspiracy stuff would certainly qualify as outrageous.

I didn't see the NAACP speech so I'll take you at your word that it was great (until I actually read the transcript and find out that it's really more of the same), but what's your take on the statements he made Monday?

It's on youtube and it's quite funny. I'd say it's worth the time to watch.

[patteeu]

I didn't see the event, but I heard he brought up his 'government introducing AIDs' theory. That silly conspiracy stuff would certainly qualify as outrageous.

Why didn't Obama call that stuff outrageous the first time around? Why did he say he couldn't distance himself like this then (because Wright was like family), but now he can? I didn't hear anything offensive in that Press Club talk that I haven't seen Wright say in the various "soundbites" that have been floating around for quite some time.

The only real new thing that I heard at the Press Club was Jeremiah Wright saying that the reason there is daylight between what Obama says and what he says is because he's a pastor (implying that he is compelled to speak the truth) and Obama is a politician who is forced to say what he needs to say to get elected. Maybe being thrown under the bus like that is really all Obama found outrageous. :shrug:

It's on youtube and it's quite funny. I'd say it's worth the time to watch.

I think Wright is very charismatic and entertaining. If he weren't saying things that I find so offensive, I'd call him charming.

[memyselfI]

Let's not dodge the issue here. I'd like to know if HolmeZz, jettio, and Ill-Logical all find Jeremiah Wrights talk at the National Press Club to be "outrageous"?

I didn't see the NAACP speech so I'll take you at your word that it was great (until I actually read the transcript and find out that it's really more of the same), but what's your take on the statements he made Monday?

I saw both those speeches and the Moyers interview. Clearly, something happened over the weekend that made Wright go from handling Baarack with kid gloves to the all out assault he made yesterday.

Exactly what is the question.

[memyselfI]

Why didn't Obama call that stuff outrageous the first time around? Why did he say he couldn't distance himself like this then (because Wright was like family), but now he can? I didn't hear anything offensive in that Press Club talk that I haven't seen Wright say in the various "soundbites" that have been floating around for quite some time.

The only real new thing that I heard at the Press Club was Jeremiah Wright saying that the reason there is daylight between what Obama says and what he says is because he's a pastor (implying that he is compelled to speak the truth) and Obama is a politician who is forced to say what he needs to say based on polls. Maybe being thrown under the bus like that is really all Obama found outrageous. :shrug:


I think Wright is very charismatic and entertaining. If he weren't saying things that I find so offensive, I'd call him charming.


That is EXACTLY it. Baarack stood by his crazy uncle and couldn't disown him when his anti-American and racist statements were made public. But impugn the Messiah's integrity or cast a shadow of doubt on his intentions and you are under the bus.

[Logical]

Let's not dodge the issue here. I'd like to know if HolmeZz, jettio, and Ill-Logical all find Jeremiah Wrights talk at the National Press Club to be "outrageous"?

I didn't see the NAACP speech so I'll take you at your word that it was great (until I actually read the transcript and find out that it's really more of the same), but what's your take on the statements he made Monday?

I will gladly read the text if you have a link, that speech was at some ungodly hour in the morning and I did not hear it. I have heard from some of the neo-cons at work that it was outrageous. I am not sure if I should believe them as they thought his Sunday speech was outrageous.

[Logical]

Why didn't Obama call that stuff outrageous the first time around? Why did he say he couldn't distance himself like this then (because Wright was like family), but now he can? I didn't hear anything offensive in that Press Club talk that I haven't seen Wright say in the various "soundbites" that have been floating around for quite some time.

The only real new thing that I heard at the Press Club was Jeremiah Wright saying that the reason there is daylight between what Obama says and what he says is because he's a pastor (implying that he is compelled to speak the truth) and Obama is a politician who is forced to say what he needs to say to get elected. Maybe being thrown under the bus like that is really all Obama found outrageous. :shrug:



I think Wright is very charismatic and entertaining. If he weren't saying things that I find so offensive, I'd call him charming.

I think there is a difference, Obama has said before that some of Wrights statement were outragous and not what he heard sitting in the Church when he was in attendence. There was no way for him to distance himself from Wright's speech at the National Press Club.

[memyselfI]

I think there is a difference, Obama has said before that some of Wrights statement were outragous and not what he heard sitting in the Church when he was in attendence. There was no way for him to distance himself from Wright's speech at the National Press Club.

No, the difference is Wright was previously calling out the US government, the Israelis, White folks, etc.

Yesterday, Wright was calling out the MESSIAH Himself. HE could not tolerate that as opposed to being just fine when Wright was calling out everyone else.

[Friendo]

No, the difference is Wright was previously calling out the US government, the Israelis, White folks, etc.

Yesterday, Wright was calling out the MESSIAH Himself. HE could not tolerate that as opposed to being just fine when Wright was calling out everyone else.

wow-you're so right--***** don't know his place!

[Logical]

No, the difference is Wright was previously calling out the US government, the Israelis, White folks, etc.

Yesterday, Wright was calling out the MESSIAH Himself. HE could not tolerate that as opposed to being just fine when Wright was calling out everyone else.Nice spin, thanks for being against me on this one, you might be restoring my image.:evil:

[go bowe]

Barack Obama, declaring “that’s enough,” denounced Tuesday as “appalling” and “ridiculous” comments made in the last few days by his former pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright Jr.

In a press conference in North Carolina, the Illinois senator used his strongest language to date to condemn Wright’s controversial sermons, which have remained a burden on his campaign since they became national news more than a month ago. Wright spoke Monday at The National Press Club in Washington, D.C.

“I am outraged by the comments that were made, and saddened over the spectacle that we saw yesterday,” Obama said.

“The person I saw yesterday was not the person that I met 20 years ago. His comments were not only divisive and destructive, but I believe they ended up giving comfort to those who prey on hate,” he said.

Wright capped off a weekend-long set of public appearances at the Press Club, returning to the spotlight and casting an unwanted shadow over Obama’s campaign. Wright used his appearance to taunt reporters, criticize his country’s foreign policy and claim the furor surrounding his sermons was an attack on the black church. He also suggested that Obama only distanced himself from Wright out of political posturing.

Obama said he was particularly “angered” by that suggestion.

“If Reverend Wright thinks that that’s political posturing, as he put it, then he doesn’t know me very well — based on his remarks yesterday I may not know him as well as I thought either,” Obama said.

Shortly after the Wright controversy broke, Obama condemned his pastor’s sermons but still kept him at an arm’s length, saying Wright was “like family” and he could no more “disown” him than his own grandmother.

But Tuesday, as he was still struggling to shake Hillary Clinton in the Democratic primary, Obama put as much distance as possible between him and his former pastor.

He disputed characterizations of Wright as his mentor saying: “He was never my spiritual adviser, he was never my spiritual mentor — he was my pastor.”

He said he is still a member of Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago but noted the controversy “obviously has put strains on that relationship.”
While still praising the church, Obama presented a rebuttal to Wright’s most controversial statements, arguing some of the key points that have made Wright a target of such scrutiny.

“All it was was a bunch of rants that aren’t grounded in truth,” Obama said of Wright’s Press Club performance . “And I can’t construct something positive out of that.”

Wright repeated his argument Monday that the United States brought terrorism upon itself by committing like acts overseas, and he did not back down from a claim that the U.S. government was responsible for afflicting the black community with HIV.

“But when he states and then amplifies such ridiculous propositions such as the U.S. government somehow being involved in AIDS; when he suggests that Minister (Louis) Farrakhan somehow represents one of the greatest voices of the 20th and 21st Century; when he equates the U.S. war-time efforts with terrorism, then there are no excuses,” Obama said Tuesday. “They offend me, they rightly offend all Americans and they should be denounced, and that’s what I am doing very clearly and unequivocally here today.”

Obama also disputed Wright’s argument that he is weathering an attack on the black church.

“I did not view the initial round of sound bites that triggered this controversy as an attack on the black church,” he said. “I viewed it as a simplification of who he was, a caricature of who he was. And more than anything, something that piqued a lot of political interest. I didn’t see it as an attack on the black church,” he said. “The sad thing is that although the sound bites as I’ve stated I think created a caricature of him … Yesterday I think he caricatured himself, and that was as I said, that made me angry but also made me sad.”

With two high-stakes primaries approaching May 6 in Indiana and North Carolina, Obama also stressed that Wright has no link whatsoever to his campaign.

“Moving forward, Reverend Wright does not speak for me, he does not speak for my campaign,” he said, adding “I cannot prevent him from continuing to make these outrageous remarks.”

He continued, “I want to use this press conference to make people absolutely clear that obviously whatever relationship I had with Reverend Wright has changed as a consequence of this. I don’t think that he showed much concern for me.”

“What Reverend Wright said yesterday directly contradicts everything that I have done during my life,” he said.

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/04/29/obama-i-am-outraged-and-angered-by-wrights-comments/

I'm starting to like this guy more and more.
which guy, hussein or reverend wrong?

[melbar]

Im amazed people will fall for the buffoon. He is a racist of the highest order. Yet he is brilliant?

Another guy making his name by keeping racism alive. Despicable human being. Small mind.

[go bowe]

Dude that is Clayton (GoChiefs). Mr VoldemorTOM.what's this?

is bootlegged tom c.'s new handle?

no wonder he sounds just like good 'ol tommy boy...

[Logical]

what's this?

is bootlegged tom c.'s new handle?

no wonder he sounds just like good 'ol tommy boy...Yes I am expecting a scathing PM as soon as he reappears. Read his posts they fit the mold in classic style.

[patteeu]

what's this?

is bootlegged tom c.'s new handle?

no wonder he sounds just like good 'ol tommy boy...

I thought it was Lattimer.

[patteeu]

I think there is a difference, Obama has said before that some of Wrights statement were outragous and not what he heard sitting in the Church when he was in attendence. There was no way for him to distance himself from Wright's speech at the National Press Club.

I don't really understand your post here. Before, Obama distanced himself from some of Wright's statements, but refused to distance himself from the man (because he was like family, supposedly). But after the National Press Club appearance, Obama denounced the man and said that he must not be the man Obama thought he was (after only 20 years of a family-like relationship!). That's a fundamental change of position even though the controversial things that Wright is saying now are no different than those discussed a few weeks ago.

The only difference I can see, as memyselfi points out, is that Wright used the occasion of his remarks to separate himself (a self-perceived truth teller) from Obama (a regular politician who will say whatever it takes to get elected).

BTW, here's the transcript (http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-wrighttranscript-04282008,0,5339764,full.story).

We both know that if Senator Obama did not say what he said, he would never get elected. Politicians say what they say and do what they do based on electability, based on sound bites, based on polls....

[Logical]

I thought it was Lattimer.It is, but since he was insisting on switching me with Clayton(GoChiefs) I thought I would switch him with VoldemorTOM.

[Logical]

I don't really understand your post here. Before, Obama distanced himself from some of Wright's statements, but refused to distance himself from the man (because he was like family, supposedly). But after the National Press Club appearance, Obama denounced the man and said that he must not be the man Obama thought he was (after only 20 years of a family-like relationship!). That's a fundamental change of position even though the controversial things that Wright is saying now are no different than those discussed a few weeks ago.

The only difference I can see, as memyselfi points out, is that Wright used the occasion of his remarks to separate himself (a self-perceived truth teller) from Obama (a regular politician who will say whatever it takes to get elected).

BTW, here's the transcript (http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-wrighttranscript-04282008,0,5339764,full.story).
Let me just say that I don't think this was a smart move by Obama and his campaign team but evidently they felt the timing was right for a break and an opportunity has afforded itself politically.

[Calcountry]

Were you there for that autocranialrectal extraction procedure that we raised money for a while back?

You may not know much about much, but at least you pay attention to tv and don't just go around feeling sorry for yourself for having your head lodged up your azz all the time.
Gees, I wonder why SR left the forum.

Nice one Jellio.