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jjchieffan
04-27-2008, 07:49 PM
I am only gonna post the top 5, Bottom, and AFC West. Article is pretty long. Link provided if you want the whole thing.

No team in the NFL did more to improve this weekend than the Chiefs, and no team missed more opportunities to improve than the Lions. Handing out draft grades to all 32 NFL teams, that's my simple criterion: How much did each team improve?


Chiefs: A
Top pick Glenn Dorsey of LSU is a good defensive lineman -- maybe not as good as the one they traded away before the draft, Jared Allen, but younger, less expensive and less of a risk of getting into off-field trouble. Guard Branden Albert and cornerback Brandon Flowers will both start as rookies, and the Chiefs added major second-day talent, including Texas running back Jamaal Charles and North Carolina State linebacker DaJuan Morgan.


Giants: A
Both first-round safety Kenny Phillips and second-round cornerback Terrell Thomas should contribute as rookies in the secondary, which is where the Giants needed help most. Third-round receiver Mario Manningham will compete for the No. 3 receiver job. The defending champions got better this weekend.


Bills: A

Buffalo needed a cornerback and a wide receiver and got them both with Leodis McKelvin and James Hardy. Third-round defensive end Chris Ellis is a good pass rusher, and fifth-round linebacker Alvin Bowen will make the special teams better. My ultra-sleeper is seventh-round wide receiver Steve Johnson, who had more than 1,000 yards and 13 touchdowns in his one and only season as a starter at Kentucky.


Redskins: A-
After trying and failing to trade their first-round pick for a veteran receiver like Chad Johnson or Anquan Boldin, the Redskins ended up trading out of the first round and drafting two wide receivers and a tight end with their three second-round picks. They also had a productive second day. I like taking a flier on Colt Brennan in the sixth round.


Cowboys: A-
Acquiring running back Felix Jones and cornerback Mike Jenkins with their two first-round picks was the best the Cowboys could have hoped for. The fourth-round choice was spent on the trade for Pacman Jones, although the Jenkins pick raises the question of whether they're worried that Jones won't be reinstated this year. Georgia Tech running back Tashard Choice provides good value in the fourth round.

Jaguars: D-
Florida defensive end Derrick Harvey might be a fine player, but the Jaguars traded up way too high to select him, dealing a first-round pick, two third-round picks and a fourth-round picks to move into the eighth spot. I'm also not sold on Auburn defensive end Quentin Groves, their second-round pick. They had only three second-day picks, and all three will struggle just to make the team.


Lions: F

Even without a wide receiver until the fifth round, it was a typical Matt Millen draft, which is to say a bad one. To take Gosder Cherilus while Rashard Mendenhall was still on the board was a horrible decision in the first round. Trading up to take Kevin Smith in the third round doesn't make much sense either. They then used two more third-round picks on defensive linemen, Florida State's Andre Fluellen and Purdue's Cilff Avril, who looked better at the combine than they did on the field.

Millen is always at the bottom of the draft report cards, which is why the Lions are always at the bottom of the standings. Who do you think he'll take with the first pick next year?

Raiders: B-

No complaints about first-round running back Darren McFadden or fourth-round cornerback Tyvon Branch, but there are complaints about the trades they made, giving up their second-round pick for cornerback DeAngelo Hall and their third-round pick to draft offensive lineman Mario Henderson

Chargers: C-

First-round cornerback Antoine Cason can return punts and is from all accounts a high-character guy, but in college he never showed the fundamental skill of being able to stick with elite wide receivers. He was a bad choice. I do like seventh-round guard Corey Clark.


Broncos: C-

Boise State left tackle Ryan Clady will make Jay Cutler's life easier. I'm not sure the same can be said for second-round wide receiver Eddie Royal, though. Royal is tiny and looks like he'll have a hard time catching passes over the middle in the NFL. Bowling Green center Kory Lichtensteiger is a long-term project and won't contribute as a rookie.

http://sports.aol.com/fanhouse/2008/04/27/nfl-draft-report-card-chiefs-hot-lions-not/

Mr. Flopnuts
04-27-2008, 07:51 PM
I love seeing the other teams in our division with those shitty grades. TOP OF THE CLASS, BITCH!!!

Mecca
04-27-2008, 07:51 PM
In regards to the Lions this was posted at another board..

Cherilus and Dizon may seem like reaches, but they're "Marinelli" guys, not "Millen" guys, which had been the case until now. Both are the kind of passionate, hard-working players Marinelli wants and are great fits for the systems we run. Our front office did a very good job in the 3rd round as well, getting players they had been in love with for the past few months in Kevin Smith, Andre Fluellen, and Cliff Avril.

Apparently from what I've been reading/following Mendenhall fell with some teams like Detroit and Dallas because they frankly think he's a pussy.

Mr. Flopnuts
04-27-2008, 07:52 PM
In regards to the Lions this was posted at another board..

Cherilus and Dizon may seem like reaches, but they're "Marinelli" guys, not "Millen" guys, which had been the case until now. Both are the kind of passionate, hard-working players Marinelli wants and are great fits for the systems we run. Our front office did a very good job in the 3rd round as well, getting players they had been in love with for the past few months in Kevin Smith, Andre Fluellen, and Cliff Avril.

Apparently from what I've been reading/following Mendenhall fell with some teams like Detroit and Dallas because they frankly think he's a pussy.

He kind of looked like it too when he got slapped on his head after being drafted. I thought his eyes were gonna well up.

Basileus777
04-27-2008, 07:53 PM
Cherilus seems like less of a reach considering the OL run that came afterwards. The Baker and Brown reaches make drafting Cherilus seem ok. The Lions needed a tackle, and they wouldn't have gotten one in the 2nd round if they hadn't taken Cherilus there.

Count Alex's Losses
04-27-2008, 07:54 PM
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Mecca
04-27-2008, 07:54 PM
I have a question, how did Jacksonville move to far? Everyone talked about how Dallas would have to give up both their firsts to get up that high for McFadden, this team did it by trading 2 3's and a 4...really I think they ripped the Ravens off in that move.

Harvey and Groves are what they needed they had an issue at end now they got 2 damn good end prospects.

Friendo
04-27-2008, 07:56 PM
kinda surprised the Panthers didn't make the top 5

Basileus777
04-27-2008, 07:57 PM
I think Jacksonville moved too far because they did it for Harvey who isn't going to be a dominating pass rusher. They would have better off trading for Jason Taylor if they think a pass rush is all that is separating them from a Superbowl.

eazyb81
04-27-2008, 07:58 PM
Cherilus seems like less of a reach considering the OL run that came afterwards. The Baker and Brown reaches make drafting Cherilus seem ok. The Lions needed a tackle, and they wouldn't have gotten one in the 2nd round if they hadn't taken Cherilus there.

And IMO that makes us look even better for going up and getting the best LT prospect in this draft right before the run started (I guess you could say we started the run after Chris Williams was picked).

The difference in value between Albert and Otah, Cherilus, and Baker is huge in my opinion.

Mecca
04-27-2008, 07:58 PM
I think Jacksonville moved too far because they did it for Harvey who isn't going to be a dominating pass rusher. They would have better off trading for Jason Taylor if they think a pass rush is all that is separating them from a Superbowl.

Harvey was going in the top 10, from what I gather Jacksonville was under the impression that Cincy was all set to take him at 9.

eazyb81
04-27-2008, 07:59 PM
I have a question, how did Jacksonville move to far? Everyone talked about how Dallas would have to give up both their firsts to get up that high for McFadden, this team did it by trading 2 3's and a 4...really I think they ripped the Ravens off in that move.

Harvey and Groves are what they needed they had an issue at end now they got 2 damn good end prospects.

I think Baltimore knew they wanted Flacco off Ryan was off the board and they were willing to take anything just so they wouldn't have to majorly reach with Flacco at 8.

Basileus777
04-27-2008, 07:59 PM
I don't like Green Bay's draft that much. They spent all their first day picks on backups. Nelson is a reach, which is even worse because they don't have a large need at wr. This is a team that can contend now, and they didn't really improve themselves in the short term.

milkman
04-27-2008, 08:00 PM
Top pick Glenn Dorsey of LSU is a good defensive lineman -- maybe not as good as the one they traded away before the draft, Jared Allen

I'm sorry, but Glen Dorsey has the potential to be one of the truley dominant players in this league, the kind of player who makes plays, and who makes players around them better.

Jared Allen, for all his talent and growth, will never be that kind of player.

Trading Allen allowed us to jump on Dorsey when he fell to us.

That Allen trade would have been worth it, if only for this result.

Mecca
04-27-2008, 08:00 PM
I don't like Green Bays draft much either, Lee and Finley were solid picks the rest was very meh.

Dicky McElephant
04-27-2008, 08:10 PM
ummm.....DaJuan Morgan is a linebacker now? I was 100% sure he was a safety.

'Hamas' Jenkins
04-27-2008, 08:13 PM
I have a question, how did Jacksonville move to far? Everyone talked about how Dallas would have to give up both their firsts to get up that high for McFadden, this team did it by trading 2 3's and a 4...really I think they ripped the Ravens off in that move.

Harvey and Groves are what they needed they had an issue at end now they got 2 damn good end prospects.

They traded a 1, two 3's and a 4, there is a difference. That pick was about 4 too high for Harvey, so not only did they mortage a lock of picks, they made a reach.

With where they were at they could have gotten a guy like Kenny Phillips, still gotten Groves, trade for Taylor with a 3rd and still had a 3rd and a 4th left over.

If you are trying to "win now" that seems like a better way to do it, IMO.

KevB
04-27-2008, 08:13 PM
I have a question, how did Jacksonville move to far? Everyone talked about how Dallas would have to give up both their firsts to get up that high for McFadden, this team did it by trading 2 3's and a 4...really I think they ripped the Ravens off in that move.

Harvey and Groves are what they needed they had an issue at end now they got 2 damn good end prospects.

I agree. Harvey was the second best DE, and then they got a really nice pass rush specialist in Groves. Who's to say Jax won't coach Harvey up and he turns into a 10 sack guy. He has that kind of talent. I'm not sure Groves can hold up playing end full time, but now he won't have to.

'Hamas' Jenkins
04-27-2008, 08:15 PM
Here's another one, Mecca.

I bet NE takes that same deal for Jax to move up to 7. You can't tell me that they don't have a huge hole after moving Stroud to the Bills.

Sedrick Ellis, Groves presents a much better pass rush than Harvey and Groves.

Basileus777
04-27-2008, 08:18 PM
Here's another one, Mecca.

I bet NE takes that same deal for Jax to move up to 7. You can't tell me that they don't have a huge hole after moving Stroud to the Bills.

Sedrick Ellis, Groves presents a much better pass rush than Harvey and Groves.

Henderson is still a beast, and was always better than Stroud. Spicer and Meier are ok players next to him. The Jags didn't need a DT, they needed someone who can rush off the edge.

I agree it was a reach to trade up that far for Harvey though, but they didn't need to trade up for Ellis either.

Mecca
04-27-2008, 08:19 PM
They played a good majority of last year without Stroud and thought those guys did a good job that was why they were willing to move him.

DaneMcCloud
04-27-2008, 08:27 PM
I don't like Green Bay's draft that much. They spent all their first day picks on backups. Nelson is a reach, which is even worse because they don't have a large need at wr. This is a team that can contend now, and they didn't really improve themselves in the short term.

They didn't have many (if any) holes to fill.

They went 13-3 and just missed the Super Bowl.

And they were the youngest team in the league in 2007 (and that was WITH Favre as QB).

'Hamas' Jenkins
04-27-2008, 08:28 PM
Henderson is still a beast, and was always better than Stroud. Spicer and Meier are ok players next to him. The Jags didn't need a DT, they needed someone who can rush off the edge.

I agree it was a reach to trade up that far for Harvey though, but they didn't need to trade up for Ellis either.

Ellis is a penetrator, and interior pressure is always worth more than edge rushing, because a QB can't step up into the pocket to make his throw. It's more disruptive.

ChiefaRoo
04-28-2008, 01:32 AM
Carl went Jabba the Hutt on Millen and it all went down hill for the Lions after that.

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