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Rain Man
04-28-2008, 06:00 PM
As part of a new enlistment program, new enlistees get to command their own major warship if they wish. What type of ship do you choose to command?

Poll to arrive soon, just like Nimitz and Halsey in Japan.

Spott
04-28-2008, 06:11 PM
The Flying Dutchman.

Vegas_Dave
04-28-2008, 06:14 PM
poll coming.....

stlchiefs
04-28-2008, 06:16 PM
I'm a motorboatin sonafabitch

Adept Havelock
04-28-2008, 06:17 PM
A Trireme with Greek-Fire catapults, or a Kirov class Nuclear Battle Cruiser. I'd be good with either.

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Rain Man
04-28-2008, 06:22 PM
Sorry. Had to converse with a real person for a minute. Poll is now afloat.

kstater
04-28-2008, 06:23 PM
I only want to command a warship if its apricot in color.

Douche Baggins
04-28-2008, 06:27 PM
Yar.

HemiEd
04-28-2008, 06:27 PM
Well it is a tough call between a "Nimitz class" carrier and a nuke sub. I picked the sub, for a couple of reasons.

The carrier is like a floating city, almost all of the comforts of home can be had, especially by the captain of the ship.

But the sub has better food and it can hide.

Rain Man
04-28-2008, 06:29 PM
In retrospect, it was a mistake to include the pirate ship option, though I think some of you are underestimating the scurvy.

As for myself, I was torn between the fast attack sub and the nuclear missile sub. The fast attack sub seems cooler, but in the long run I figure that the nuclear missile sub has better food and bigger bunks and more people who play board games.

Rain Man
04-28-2008, 06:29 PM
I only want to command a warship if its apricot in color.

I bet the Martian navy uses that as their base color.

kstater
04-28-2008, 06:32 PM
I bet the Martian navy uses that as their base color.

Sweet, I have a whole planet I can take over.

stlchiefs
04-28-2008, 06:32 PM
Aircraft Carrier. I have a hard on for Top Gun.

Basileus777
04-28-2008, 06:47 PM
A quinquereme with a corvus.

I hate going on ships, at least this way I won't be going far from shore. That and the ability to ram and board other ships makes it appealing.

HemiEd
04-28-2008, 06:50 PM
Aircraft Carrier. I have a hard on for Top Gun.

Tom Cruise?

NTTIAWWT

Hydrae
04-28-2008, 06:53 PM
Being a non-swimmer, I will stay ashore and direct things from here, ok? :D

Ultra Peanut
04-28-2008, 07:01 PM
I would have selected the "no ship," if it had been "I don't need NO ship." **** GRAMMAR.

Frazod
04-28-2008, 07:12 PM
I can tell you what any actual naval officer would say - aircraft carrier. That is the prize they all seek, and if they do it right it is the ticket to making admiral.

alanm
04-28-2008, 07:18 PM
I'm a Destroyer Skipper at heart.
Anyone read the book The Last Stand of the Tin Can Sailors by James Hornfischer? The story of a few Destroyers taking on a flotilla of Japanese Battleships, Cruisers and Destroyer escorts trying to ruin MacArthur's return to the Philippines during the initial days. And winning, forcing them to withdraw. Great book! :thumb::thumb:

Adept Havelock
04-28-2008, 07:38 PM
I'm a Destroyer Skipper at heart.
Anyone read the book The Last Stand of the Tin Can Sailors by James Hornfischer? The story of a few Destroyers taking on a flotilla of Japanese Battleships, Cruisers and Destroyer escorts trying to ruin MacArthur's return to the Philippines during the initial days. And winning, forcing them to withdraw. Great book! :thumb::thumb:

Was that the battle where some DD's and DE's ended up screening for a group of CVL's against a bunch of Heavies? Part of Leyte Gulf, IIRC?

It's been a while, so I don't remember the details. I'll be sure to get that book. Thanks for the tip.

Demonpenz
04-28-2008, 07:48 PM
i would be a pirate a drunk pirate who smokes weed jimmy buffet style

stlchiefs
04-28-2008, 07:51 PM
Tom Cruise?

NTTIAWWT

Used to be a big Cruise fan too, mainly b.c. of Top Gun. This was all until the Scientologists rewired his brain a few years back. Now the guy's a freak.

pikesome
04-28-2008, 08:09 PM
I'm a Destroyer Skipper at heart.
Anyone read the book The Last Stand of the Tin Can Sailors by James Hornfischer? The story of a few Destroyers taking on a flotilla of Japanese Battleships, Cruisers and Destroyer escorts trying to ruin MacArthur's return to the Philippines during the initial days. And winning, forcing them to withdraw. Great book! :thumb::thumb:

Was that the battle where some DD's and DE's ended up screening for a group of CVL's against a bunch of Heavies? Part of Leyte Gulf, IIRC?

It's been a while, so I don't remember the details. I'll be sure to get that book. Thanks for the tip.

Leyte Gulf, one of the US Navy's finest hours.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Leyte_Gulf

RIP LCDR Evans

Adept Havelock
04-28-2008, 08:18 PM
Leyte Gulf, one of the US Navy's finest hours.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Leyte_Gulf

RIP LCDR Evans

Thanks...The battle off Samar. I've got to pick up that book. That sequence was one of my favorite parts of James Michner's "Space", which is why it stuck in my head.

One of their finest hours, indeed.

stlchiefs
04-28-2008, 08:23 PM
Leyte Gulf, one of the US Navy's finest hours.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Leyte_Gulf

RIP LCDR Evans

The History Channel did a really good show on this amazing battle onetime. I actually found a link: http://www.history.com/shows.do?episodeId=281376&action=detail

cdcox
04-28-2008, 08:24 PM
When I was in college the Navy was advertising for people to go into officer training for submarines. If I wasn't dating my future wife, I would have very seriously considered signing up for that, and the last 25 years of my life would have been completely different.

It was really difficult to chose between fast attack sub and the boomer. In the end, I chose to be the active hunter as opposed to the lurker who could just devastate a continent should the need arise.

Valiant
04-28-2008, 08:26 PM
I only want to command a warship if its apricot in color.

What about a Satan Warship??

alanm
04-28-2008, 08:40 PM
Leyte Gulf, one of the US Navy's finest hours.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Leyte_Gulf

RIP LCDR Evans
The Battle off Samar (25 October) - The Main Action

<dl><dd> Main article: Battle off Samar (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_off_Samar)
</dd></dl> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/c/c2/Samar.jpg/325px-Samar.jpg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Samar.jpg) http://en.wikipedia.org/skins-1.5/common/images/magnify-clip.png (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Samar.jpg)
The battle off Samar.



[edit (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Battle_of_Leyte_Gulf&action=edit&section=8)] Kurita's Center Force exits San Bernadino Strait - unopposed

Halsey's decision to take all the available strength of Third Fleet northwards to attack the carriers of the Japanese Northern Force had left San Bernardino Strait completely unguarded.
It had been generally assumed by senior officers in Seventh Fleet (including Kinkaid and his staff) that Halsey was taking his three available carrier groups northwards (McCain's group, the strongest in Third Fleet, was still returning from the direction of Ulithi) but leaving the battleships of Task Force 34 covering San Bernardino Strait against the Japanese Center Force. In fact Halsey had not yet formed Task Force 34, and all six of Willis Lee's battleships were on their way northwards with the carriers, as were every available cruiser and destroyer of the Third Fleet.
Kurita's Center Force was therefore able to emerge unopposed from San Bernardino Strait (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Bernardino_Strait) at 0300 on 25 October (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/October_25) and steam southwards along the coast of Samar (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samar_%28island%29), hoping that Halsey had taken the bait and led his fleet away - a hope that proved to have been startlingly fulfilled.
(Sources for this subsection: Woodward 1947, Fuller 1956, Morison 1956, Cutler 2001, Hornfischer 2004).

[edit (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Battle_of_Leyte_Gulf&action=edit&section=9)] The opposing forces

In the path of Center Force as it advanced towards Leyte Gulf, were the Seventh Fleet's three escort carrier units. These contained a total of sixteen small escort carriers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Escort_aircraft_carrier), with their screens of lightly armed (and entirely unarmoured) destroyers and smaller 'destroyer escorts' (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Destroyer_escort).
Each escort carrier carried on average about 28 planes. The sixteen carriers of the three groups therefore had available some 450 aircraft in all. The overwhelming majority of these were FM-2 Wildcat fighters or TBM Avenger torpedo-bombers. The ordnance held by the escort carriers for these aircraft was intended primarily for defence against air attack, for anti-submarine operations, or for missions in support of the ground forces on Leyte.
The carriers' magazines were therefore dominated by .50 caliber machine-gun ammunition, depth charges, rockets and small general-purpose fragmentation bombs. There were however a few torpedoes.
The escort carriers were by their nature very slow and lightly armored and would normally be expected to stand little chance in an encounter with a battleship or heavy cruiser. They were, however, accompanied by their screens of destroyers and destroyer escorts. (These small vessels were facetiously but affectionately known in the US Navy as "tin cans"). (Hornfischer 2004).
At this stage, despite the losses in the Palawan Passage and Sibuyan Sea actions Center Force was still very powerful, consisting of 4 battleships (including the giant Yamato), 6 heavy cruisers, 2 light cruisers and a dozen destroyers. With the exception of Task Force 34 this was still probably the most powerful surface force in the world, although perhaps roughly comparable in strength with Oldendorf's Fire Support Group in Seventh Fleet.
(Sources for this subsection: Woodward 1947, Fuller 1956, Morison 1956, Cutler 2001, Hornfischer 2004).

[edit (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Battle_of_Leyte_Gulf&action=edit&section=10)] Initial contact / The start of the action

Kurita's force first encountered Clifton Sprague's Task Unit 77.4.3, call sign 'Taffy 3'. The surprise was almost absolute. The escort carriers' first intimation of the threat was a report from a TBM Avenger on anti-submarine patrol to the north, piloted by Ensign W. Brooks, who at 0643 sent the following radio message:
<dl><dd>"ENEMY SURFACE FORCE OF FOUR BATTLESHIPS, FOUR HEAVY CRUISERS, TWO LIGHT CRUISERS, AND TEN TO TWELVE DESTROYERS SIGHTED TWENTY MILES NORTHWEST OF YOUR TASK GROUP AND CLOSING IN ON YOU AT THIRTY KNOTS"</dd><dd>(Hornfischer 2004).</dd></dl> It was at first assumed that the aircrew had mistaken Task Force 34 for the enemy. Ensign Brooks was asked to check his identification of the ships. He flew lower, and at 06:47 signalled:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/38/Yamato_off_Samar.jpg/180px-Yamato_off_Samar.jpg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Yamato_off_Samar.jpg) http://en.wikipedia.org/skins-1.5/common/images/magnify-clip.png (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Yamato_off_Samar.jpg)
The Yamato (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_battleship_Yamato) and a heavy cruiser, possibly Tone (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_cruiser_Tone) or Chikuma (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_cruiser_Chikuma_%281938%29), in action off Samar.


<dl><dd>"I CAN SEE THE PAGODA MASTS . . "</dd><dd>(Hornfischer 2004).</dd></dl> Within minutes crewmen on the ships of Taffy 3 could also see those pagoda masts (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pagoda_Mast) - rising above the horizon. Shortly afterwards they saw vivid flashes as the Japanese battleships opened fire at extreme range.
Kurita, mistaking the flattops ahead of him for fleet carriers of the Essex Class, therefore believed that he had the main body of the US Third Fleet under his guns. At this point it probably seemed to him that he had thus been given an unprecedented, and golden, opportunity.
When his task unit came under attack, Rear Admiral Clifton Sprague (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clifton_Sprague) directed his carriers to turn and launch their planes, then make for the cover of a rain squall to the east. He ordered the destroyers and DEs to make a smoke screen to conceal the retreating carriers. As they did so they drew heavy fire.
The unequal nature of the battle may be conveyed by the fact that Yamato - the largest and most powerful battleship ever to see surface combat - alone displaced as much as all of Taffy 3's ships put together.
(Sources for this subsection: Morison 1956, Cutler 2001, Hornfischer 2004).

[edit (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Battle_of_Leyte_Gulf&action=edit&section=11)] Johnston's counterattack

Concerned about the threat from the incoming fire, Lieutenant Commander (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lieutenant_Commander) Ernest E. Evans (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernest_E._Evans), commanding officer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commanding_officer) of the destroyer USS Johnston (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Johnston_%28DD-557%29), the ship closest to the Japanese formation, suddenly took his destroyer in a direct attack on the enemy force. Johnston was a 2100-ton vessel of the Fletcher Class (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fletcher_class_destroyer), armed with five 5-inch (127 mm) guns, 40mm and 20mm light anti-aircraft guns, and ten 21-inch Mark-15 torpedoes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_15_torpedo). It was only with the torpedoes that she stood any serious chance of inflicting crippling damage on an enemy battleship.
Weaving to avoid the shells, steering towards their splashes, Johnston advanced on the heavy cruiser Kumano, flagship of Vice Admiral Shiraishi's Cruiser Division 7, to make a torpedo attack. When she was 10 miles (17 km) from Kumano, her 5-inch (127 mm) guns rained shells on the cruiser's bridge and upper deck (where they could do some damage, whereas they would not penetrate the armor of the ship's hull). Johnston closed in and then launched all ten of her torpedoes, making a hit which blew the bow off Kumano and also took her sister cruiser Suzuya out of the fight as she stopped to assist.
From seven miles (11 km) away, the battleship Kongō sent a 14-inch shell through the Johnston’s upper deck and engine room. Johnston’s speed was cut to less than half, while the after gun turrets lost power. Then three 6-inch shells, possibly from Yamato’s secondary batteries, struck Johnston’s bridge, killing many, and wounding Commander Evans. The bridge was abandoned, and Evans then steered the ship from the aft steering column.
Encouraged by the Johnston's attack, Sprague had given the order "small boys attack", sending Taffy 3's other destroyers into the assault. Meanwhile Johnston's damage-control teams were able to restore power to two of the three after turrets, and Evans then turned Johnston around, re-entering the fight.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8c/ChikumaLeyte.jpg/180px-ChikumaLeyte.jpg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:ChikumaLeyte.jpg) http://en.wikipedia.org/skins-1.5/common/images/magnify-clip.png (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:ChikumaLeyte.jpg)
The Japanese cruiser Chikuma maneuvering after sustaining torpedo damage.


(Morison 1956, Hornfischer 2004).

[edit (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Battle_of_Leyte_Gulf&action=edit&section=12)] Hoel and Heermann counterattack

Taffy 3's two other destroyers - Hoel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Hoel_%28DD-533%29) and Heermann (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Heermann_%28DD-532%29) - now attacked the Japanese line with suicidal determination, drawing fire and disrupting the Japanese formation as ships turned to avoid torpedoes. The Yamato found herself threatened by two spreads of torpedoes probably launched from Heermann (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Heermann_%28DD-532%29). Instead of turning her towards the torpedoes and attempting to 'comb' their tracks, her commanding officer (Rear Admiral Ugaki) was ordered by Kurita to turn away, and for ten minutes she steamed northwards, away from the battle, unable to turn back for fear of presenting her beam to the torpedoes. Heermann, meanwhile, closed with the other Japanese battleships, advancing so close to her targets that they could not fire because of either an inability to depress their main guns sufficiently, or else for fear of hitting their own ships.
Hoel had closed with the nearest enemy battleship, Kongō, and fired a spread of torpedoes at a range of 9,000 yards (8.2 km). Kongō was, like Yamato, forced to turn away for several minutes. Hoel was quickly hit and disabled. Nonetheless she engaged a group of heavy cruisers, closing with their leader, Haguro, and launching her remaining torpedoes. She is thought to have made at least one hit. The destroyer was now surrounded and overwhelmed by the fire of Kongō and the heavy cruisers. She sank at 08:55.
253 of Hoel's crew died with their ship. Commander Kinterberger observed 'Fully cognizant of the inevitable result of engaging such vastly superior forces, these men performed their assigned duties coolly and efficiently until their ship was shot from under them.'
(Morison 1956, Hornfischer 2004).

[edit (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Battle_of_Leyte_Gulf&action=edit&section=13)] Samuel B. Roberts counterattacks

At 07:35, the destroyer escort (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Destroyer_escort) USS Samuel B. Roberts (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Samuel_B._Roberts_%28DE-413%29) turned and headed towards the Japanese ships. She had only two 5-inch (127 mm) guns and three torpedoes, compared with five and ten respectively on the full-sized destroyers. Nonetheless she unflinchingly attacked the heavy cruiser Chōkai. With smoke as cover, the Roberts steamed to within two and a half miles (4 km) of the cruiser. Once within range Roberts launched her three torpedoes, making a hit. She then fought with the Japanese ships for an hour, firing over 600 5-inch shells, and raking the enemy upperworks with her light anti-aircraft guns. At 08:51 the Japanese finally made two hits, the second of which destroyed the after gun turret. With her remaining 5-inch (127 mm) gun, she set the bridge of the cruiser Chikuma on fire , before being hit by three 14 inch shells from the Kongō. At 09:35 the order was given to abandon ship, and Roberts sank 30 minutes later, with the loss of 89 of her crew.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e8/Samar_%28AWM_302773%29.jpg/202px-Samar_%28AWM_302773%29.jpg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Samar_%28AWM_302773%29.jpg) http://en.wikipedia.org/skins-1.5/common/images/magnify-clip.png (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Samar_%28AWM_302773%29.jpg)
USS Kitkun Bay prepares to launch her Wildcat fighters while USS White Plains is straddled by 14 inch shells


(Morison 1956, Hornfischer 2004).

[edit (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Battle_of_Leyte_Gulf&action=edit&section=14)] Air counterattacks, escort carriers under fire - Gambier Bay sinks

Meanwhile, Thomas Sprague had ordered his three task units to launch their aircraft equipped with whatever weapons they had available, even if these were only machine guns or depth charges. After many aircraft expended their ammunition they made dry runs to threaten and distract the Japanese warships and their gunners.
The air counterattacks were almost unceasing, and some, especially several of the strikes launched from Stump's task unit 77.4.2, were relatively heavy. Serious damage was done to many of the Japanese ships. Two of Kurita's heavy cruisers - Chikuma and Suzuya - were destroyed as a result of this onslaught, mainly by the efforts of torpedo-carrying TBM Avengers. Air attack (this time with 500-pound bombs) also played a part in the destruction of a third, the Chōkai.
The carriers of Taffy 3 had turned south and retreated through the shellfire. For much of the action Kurita's ships were using armor-piercing (AP) shells which passed through the thin-skinned escort carriers without detonating. A change to High Explosive (HE) shells resulted in the Gambier Bay, at the rear of the American formation, being holed, slowed, and finally sunk, while most of the other carriers were damaged. Even so their single stern-mounted five-inch (127 mm) guns were returning fire, and with some effect.
(Morison 1956, Hornfischer 2004).

[edit (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Battle_of_Leyte_Gulf&action=edit&section=15)] The End of Johnston

The tide eventually turned against Taffy 3's destroyers. Two hours into the attack, Comdr. Evans aboard the Johnston - spotting a line of four destroyers led by the light cruiser Yahagi making a torpedo attack on the fleeing carriers - moved to intercept them. Johnston poured fire on the attacking group, forcing them to launch their torpedoes prematurely, missing the carriers. Their gunfire then turned to the weaving Johnston. At 09:10 the Japanese made a direct hit on one of her forward turrets, knocking it out and setting off many of the stored 5-inch shells. Her damaged engines stopped, leaving her dead in the water. The Japanese destroyers closed in on this sitting target, and the Johnston was hit so many times that one survivor recalled 'they couldn't patch holes fast enough to keep her afloat'. At 09:45 Comdr. Evans finally gave the order to abandon ship. The Johnston sank 25 minutes later with the loss of 186 of her crew. Commander Evans abandoned ship with his crew, but was never seen again. He was posthumously awarded the Medal of Honor (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medal_of_Honor).
(Morison 1956, Hornfischer 2004).

[edit (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Battle_of_Leyte_Gulf&action=edit&section=16)] The surface action ends, Kurita withdraws - and escapes

At 09:20 - just as it seemed the end was near for Taffy 3, and probably for the other escort carrier units as well - Kurita suddenly broke off the fight and, giving the order 'all ships, my course north, speed 20', retreated towards San Bernadino Strait. Some of his ships were not seriously damaged, but the air and destroyer attacks had broken up his formations and he had lost control of the battle. Three of his heavy cruisers had been sunk, and the determined resistance had convinced him that persisting with his attack would only cause him further losses. Almost all of his surviving force succeeded in making their escape through San Bernadino Strait - Halsey and the Third Fleet battleships arrived too late to cut him off. Nagato, Haruna and Kongō had been severely damaged by the torpedoes of Taffy 3's escorts. Kurita had begun the battle with five battleships. On their return to their bases, only Yamato remained battle-worthy.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/5/52/USS_St._Lo_%28CVE-63%29_2.jpg/224px-USS_St._Lo_%28CVE-63%29_2.jpg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:USS_St._Lo_%28CVE-63%29_2.jpg) http://en.wikipedia.org/skins-1.5/common/images/magnify-clip.png (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:USS_St._Lo_%28CVE-63%29_2.jpg)
USS St. Lo explodes after kamikaze strike


(Morison 1956, Hornfischer 2004).

[edit (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Battle_of_Leyte_Gulf&action=edit&section=17)] Kamikaze attack

As the desperate surface action was coming to an end Vice Admiral Takijirō Ōnishi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Takijir%C5%8D_%C5%8Cnishi) had put his 'Special Attack Force' into operation, launching kamikaze attacks against the Allied ships in Leyte Gulf and the escort carrier units off Samar. At 10:51 St. Lo (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_St._Lo_%28CVE-63%29) of Taffy 3 was hit by a kamikaze aircraft. Its bomb detonated, causing gasoline fires and a series of explosions. St. Lo sank at around 11:20.
(Morison 1956, Hornfischer 2004).

[edit (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Battle_of_Leyte_Gulf&action=edit&section=18)] Losses

Two escort carriers, the destroyers Hoel and Johnston, and the destroyer escort Samuel B. Roberts had been sunk - four other American ships were damaged. The destroyer Heermann, despite her unequal fight with the enemy force, finished the battle with only six of her crew dead.
As a result of communication errors and other failures, a very large number of survivors from Taffy 3 were not rescued for several days. Many died unnecessarily as a consequence of this long delay.
In total over one thousand sailors and aircrew of the escort carrier units were lost.
(Morison 1956, Hornfischer 2004).

Adept Havelock
04-28-2008, 08:51 PM
Alanm, very nice. :clap:

The History Channel did a really good show on this amazing battle onetime. I actually found a link: http://www.history.com/shows.do?episodeId=281376&action=detail

Thanks. I'll see if I can find a torrent or if someone stuck it on Usenet.

Pic
04-28-2008, 08:59 PM
http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn211/Picturesspeaklouder/used/aircraft.jpg

pikesome
04-28-2008, 09:03 PM
The Battle off Samar

Yes.

The Battle of Leyte Gulf included four major naval battles: the Battle of the Sibuyan Sea, the Battle of Surigao Strait, the Battle of Cape Engaño and the Battle off Samar, as well as other actions.

POND_OF_RED
04-28-2008, 09:21 PM
Depends on what part of the ocean I am trying to conquer.

alanm
04-28-2008, 09:31 PM
Yes.
My Dad was on the destroyer USS O'Brien back in port at Truk I believe. He had the gig at Saipan and Tinian in the Marianas just before that so he missed out on that fun.

stlchiefs
04-28-2008, 11:21 PM
When I was in college the Navy was advertising for people to go into officer training for submarines. If I wasn't dating my future wife, I would have very seriously considered signing up for that, and the last 25 years of my life would have been completely different.

It was really difficult to chose between fast attack sub and the boomer. In the end, I chose to be the active hunter as opposed to the lurker who could just devastate a continent should the need arise.

I'm in a similar boat (no pun intended). I was thinking about attending an academy out of high school, but got a full ride scholarship somewhere else and couldn't turn that down. I was thinking about joining up again after college (in 2005), but got another really nice scholarship for law school, which again I couldn't afford to turn down. I'm graduating from law school here in a few weeks and would love to enter officer training, join JAG or even simply enlist, the problem is I'm getting married in August. The soon to be Mrs. isn't to keen on the idea and all but put the nix on that one. That lady is lucky I like her a little bit. :cuss:

Rausch
04-28-2008, 11:29 PM
I'm thinking intel is the way to go...