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Count Alex's Losses
04-29-2008, 01:30 AM
http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=2&c=751021&preview=1&nocache=bluecoat

Over the weekend Chiefs fans witnessed a resurgence of the franchise via a draft full of promise. Because of that success, Monday morning those fans woke up with a bounce in their step. Among them was Chairman of the Board Clark Hunt.

Hunt told Warpaint Illustrated he thought the Chiefs had an outstanding draft and was proud of the job his staff carried out Saturday and Sunday.

As I interviewed Hunt Sunday evening, it was fitting that construction workers outside Arrowhead were digging what appeared to be huge moats, laying the foundation for the new stadium. The same can be said about the work inside Arrowhead.

Since September, Bill Kuharich, Chuck Cook and Ray Farmer, the architects of KCís player scouting department, have been laying the foundation for potentially one of the greatest draft classes in team history.

It might be premature to make that judgment, because NFL games arenít won on paper. But when you collect the kind of talent the Chiefs did this weekend, itís tough not to be optimistic.

Hunt had plenty of optimism even after the first day of the draft, despite the fact that it will cost him tens of millions of dollars in signing bonus money and player contracts. But the financial aspect of the game was not on his mind when the Chiefs selected LSU defensive tackle Glenn Dorsey (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=3722647), Virginia offensive tackle Branden Albert (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=3542598) and Virginia Tech cornerback Brandon Flowers (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=3723953).

"The term I used to describe it was a home run," said Hunt. "Clearly, that was after two rounds, but we had picked up three very good football players. Three guys who really ought to be able to come in here and compete for a starting job and hopefully win a starting job next year."

"The way the first round played out, where we were able to get the offensive tackle, which was the big need going into the draft, and then you sort of throw Glenn Dorsey in as a bonus, thatís a pretty good bonus, to say the least. We were ecstatic over that." <table align="right" cellspacing="7" width="225"><tbody><tr><td>http://media.scout.com/media/image/54/546490.jpg
Hunt was ecstatic over KC's choice of Glenn Dorsey in the first round.
Jim McIssac - Getty </td></tr></tbody></table>But that was only the beginning. The Chiefs had nine picks on day two, and when it was all over, Hunt was equally impressed with second-day crop.

"We picked up a bunch of good football players," he said. "Several will compete for starting jobs this year and many of them will see significant playing time. All in all, it was a very exciting draft."

The root of all that excitement came from KCís scouting department, according to Hunt. He said his personnel department was ready for every opportunity that presented itself on Saturday and Sunday.

In fact, they were so prepared, the Chiefsí coaching staff was impressed like never before.

"Just talking to the coaching staff, their comment to me was Ė and some of these coaches have been coaching for 30-plus years Ė they had never seen preparation like this," said Hunt. "It was just the best theyíd seen, the most thorough. I think that sort of bore itself out as the draft unfolded, so Iím very positive from that standpoint."

"There was a lot of like-mindedness between our general manager and our head coach and Bill Kuharich, who was running the draft. There wasnít any dissention on which player we should take or what position. I always like to see that, thatís very important."

Hunt credited Kuharich for the groupthink in Kansas Cityís war room over the weekend. About a month before the draft, he said offensive coordinator Chan Gailey, defensive coordinator Gunther Cunningham and head coach Herm Edwards met with Kuharich to go over every player entering the draft.

"They all rate the players, and Carlís part of that process as well," said Hunt. "At the end of the day, the grade we have on a player is a grade thatís a by-product of everybodyís thought process. Thereís a lot of buy-in when Bill includes the coaching staff. Billís been doing this for awhile at one level or another in the National Football League. I think he has a real good feel for it, heís a very thorough football person, and weíre lucky to have him."

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Of course, in order for the 2008 Draft to be so successful, Hunt had to make a difficult decision Ė the trade of All-Pro defensive end Jared Allen (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=3716719) to the Minnesota Vikings. It wasnít easy for Hunt.

First, he had to deal with the public sentiment for one of Kansas Cityís most popular players. Second, he had to deal with the realistic chances of signing Allen long-term. Hunt had a good relationship with Allen, which means it may have been difficult for him to weigh what he wanted and what was best for the football team.

"Heís going to go on to do great things in Minnesota," said Hunt of Allen. "Weíll miss his passion and energy on Sundays. On the other hand, the compensation that was offered by Minnesota finally got to the point where, from a football standpoint, we had to make the move. I believe it was the right decision, but also a difficult one. We gave up a good football player. But now that weíve had the draft, I know we got some good football players in return for him."

And what about those other football players? The rest of KCís roster was watching as Carl Peterson sent Allen to the Vikings in exchange for three draft picks.

Allen signed with Minnesota for a bundle of cash. What does that mean for the future players who might be in the same boat a year or two years from now? Will they face a similar route out of town, or will homegrown stars have the option to remain Chiefs their entire NFL careers?

Huntís answer Sunday night was that every situation is different. <table align="right" cellspacing="7" width="225"><tbody><tr><td>http://media.scout.com/media/image/54/546491.jpg
Trading Allen wasn't easy for Hunt.
Jim Mone - AP </td></tr></tbody></table>"The first key is making sure youíve got good drafts, because if you have good drafts youíre going to have some of those quality young players who will play out their first contract,Ē he said. "Our philosophy generally will be to re-sign those players."

"But there will be times when one way or another, weíll let a quality young player go. I donít like doing it, but if you look at the examples of Pittsburgh and New England, theyíve been willing to let quality players who are still in their prime go, through trade or just outright through free agency, because they donít believe the compensation that would be required to keep that player is in the best interests of the team."

"I think youíll see a mix. Certainly Iíd like to keep as many of the quality guys that we draft as possible, but it wonít be possible to keep them all, and thatís just the nature of the business. Itís tough to deal with but thatís part of building a successful football team. You have to identify which players need to be a part of your franchise long-term and which players you can replace."

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Ultimately, Hunt knows that heís serving the fans. Can they endure another losing season while this yearís draft class matures? Hunt thinks so.

"I do realize that in the short run, going with young players could have some shortcomings in terms of our performance on the field," he said. "But thatís OK. I think those guys will learn and our fans will enjoy watching those players develop."

"What Iíve come to learn is that the fans are actually really studied. Theyíre really smart. It must be because thereís 24-hour news on the National Football League. Itís Warpaint Illustrated and all the cable channels that cover the NFL and the constant media attention and the internet. Fans have become very smart in terms of how championship teams are built, and I sense they understand what weíre doing and will support it."

What exactly are the Chiefs doing? Successful football teams, the ones that compete for division titles, conference championships and Super Bowls have nearly flawless systems.

Hunt realizes his franchise needs to develop one of those systems, but believes the Chiefs are on the right track.

"There was a path we could have gone, and a lot of teams go this direction, that probably has a higher probability of yielding a mediocre football team in the short run," he said. "That involves hanging on to more veteran players, signing more veteran free agents, but mediocrity is not what weíre after." <table align="right" cellspacing="7" width="225"><tbody><tr><td>http://media.scout.com/media/image/54/546493.jpg
Hunt believes Chiefs fans will have patience with his young team.
Jamie Squire - Getty </td></tr></tbody></table>"Weíre trying to build a championship football team. Iím not interested in having a team that year in and year out wins eight or nine games. Thatís not what the exercise is about. The only way you can give yourself a shot at building a championship team is by drafting outstanding football players. Thatís where you get them, you bring them into your system, they learn your philosophy. Hopefully the end product two or three years out is a team thatís capable of competing for a Super Bowl."

"Long-term for this organization, this is how we want to do it. I want the approach to be independent of both the general manager and the head coach, because those people, over time, will change. Iím not saying in the short-term that they will, because we have good people in those positions, but I want the philosophy that the organization uses to build the football team to always be the same."

"One by-product of doing that is you donít go through these difficult transitions when you have a change at the head coaching position. Weíre living through that right now having gone from Dick Vermeil, who preferred the veteran player, to Herm, who prefers the young player."

"If the organization can have a consistent philosophy and exercise it year in and year out, then when you have changes at the head coaching position Ė which will happen, because head coaches, even the most successful ones, burn out, step down, etc Ė if your philosophy is the same you wonít take a big step backwards. You just pick up right where you were and keep building."

Does that mean Hunt has anything but complete confidence in his head coach? Not at all. Sunday he reiterated the support for Herm Edwards that heís shown in the past.

"Weíre very lucky to have Herm, because of his preference for young players," said Hunt. "We have a coach who not only likes young players, but who will play them. Thatís what we need right now, so Hermís absolutely the right person to be doing what weíre doing."

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Hunt now faces a 2008 season filled with unknowns. With an A+ draft under the teamís belt, fans may have expectations that might not previously have existed. Hunt, at the moment, will refrain from offering any predictions on the teamís record.

"I do expect us to be a better football team than we were last year," he said. "I think particularly on the offensive side of the ball weíll be greatly improved over last year. With the way the draft unfolded, itís pretty exciting to be able to think about what we might be able to accomplish on defense as well. Clearly losing Jared should hurt us in some aspects, but picking up Glenn Dorsey is going to help in some others. How those two offset I donít think weíll know until the games start playing."

And even though itís over 100 days until Kansas City kicks off the season in New England, Hunt is already anticipating a 2008 season that will be filled with youth. Fortunately, thereís plenty of time to get the new batch of Chiefs up to speed.

"The thing about the day after the draft is youíre ready for the season to start tomorrow," said Hunt. "But since weíve got so many young players Iím glad weíve got a few months to get them here, get them in the system, get them familiar with the playbook, and then weíll get after it in August."

Basileus777
04-29-2008, 01:34 AM
They all rate the players, and Carlís part of that process as wellCarl's almost like an afterthought. :clap:

"There was a path we could have gone, and a lot of teams go this direction, that probably has a higher probability of yielding a mediocre football team in the short run," he said. "That involves hanging on to more veteran players, signing more veteran free agents, but mediocrity is not what weíre after."
"Weíre trying to build a championship football team. Iím not interested in having a team that year in and year out wins eight or nine games. Thatís not what the exercise is about. The only way you can give yourself a shot at building a championship team is by drafting outstanding football players. Thatís where you get them, you bring them into your system, they learn your philosophy. Hopefully the end product two or three years out is a team thatís capable of competing for a Super Bowl."

I love hearing this from Hunt.

Mecca
04-29-2008, 01:52 AM
I'll give Clark some respect for knowing how teams are built and not wanting the just win 8 games approach.

Good to also know we won't see anymore coaches like Vermiel who will do all to win now and don't care about the long term success of the team.

B_Ambuehl
04-29-2008, 02:18 AM
It sounds like he's gonna let Herm stick around until these young players aren't so young then bring someone in who can coach them.

The Allen explanation doesn't really fly. The players New England and Pittsburgh let go are system players. Pittsburgh is notorious for letting linebackers go but all the linebackers in pittsburgh put up good numbers due in large part to their blitz schemes. For New England, WRs and TEs put up good numbers due to their offense and Tom Brady, while DBs put up good numbers due to their front 3 and the amount of zone they play. NE gave Richard Seymour an extension because he's more of a foundational player for them. With our defense, losing Jared Allen is equivalent to Seattles offense losing Steve Hutchinson.

the Talking Can
04-29-2008, 07:37 AM
"But there will be times when one way or another, weíll let a quality young player go. I donít like doing it, but if you look at the examples of Pittsburgh and New England, theyíve been willing to let quality players who are still in their prime go, through trade or just outright through free agency, because they donít believe the compensation that would be required to keep that player is in the best interests of the team."


"There was a path we could have gone, and a lot of teams go this direction, that probably has a higher probability of yielding a mediocre football team in the short run," he said. "That involves hanging on to more veteran players, signing more veteran free agents, but mediocrity is not what weíre after."

"Weíre trying to build a championship football team. Iím not interested in having a team that year in and year out wins eight or nine games. Thatís not what the exercise is about. The only way you can give yourself a shot at building a championship team is by drafting outstanding football players. Thatís where you get them, you bring them into your system, they learn your philosophy. Hopefully the end product two or three years out is a team thatís capable of competing for a Super Bowl."

"Long-term for this organization, this is how we want to do it. I want the approach to be independent of both the general manager and the head coach, because those people, over time, will change. Iím not saying in the short-term that they will, because we have good people in those positions, but I want the philosophy that the organization uses to build the football team to always be the same."

"One by-product of doing that is you donít go through these difficult transitions when you have a change at the head coaching position. Weíre living through that right now having gone from Dick Vermeil, who preferred the veteran player, to Herm, who prefers the young player."

"If the organization can have a consistent philosophy and exercise it year in and year out, then when you have changes at the head coaching position Ė which will happen, because head coaches, even the most successful ones, burn out, step down, etc Ė if your philosophy is the same you wonít take a big step backwards. You just pick up right where you were and keep building."

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Hear that True Fans? Your reign of Terror is over. Carl-ism is dead. "Win Now!" is dead.

8-8 is dead.

dirk digler
04-29-2008, 08:05 AM
Clark said some very encouraging things in this interview. I love the part about having a constant philosophy of the organization regardless of the GM or HC.

TEX
04-29-2008, 08:22 AM
Clark said some very encouraging things in this interview. I love the part about having a constant philosophy of the organization regardless of the GM or HC.

Yep. :clap:

Brock
04-29-2008, 08:23 AM
Yeah, but he lied about Jared Allen. /Chiefnj2

Fish
04-29-2008, 08:36 AM
"One by-product of doing that is you don’t go through these difficult transitions when you have a change at the head coaching position. We’re living through that right now having gone from Dick Vermeil, who preferred the veteran player, to Herm, who prefers the young player."

"If the organization can have a consistent philosophy and exercise it year in and year out, then when you have changes at the head coaching position – which will happen, because head coaches, even the most successful ones, burn out, step down, etc – if your philosophy is the same you won’t take a big step backwards. You just pick up right where you were and keep building."

That's really good to hear, and this is what has me the most excited about where this franchise is going. Whether Herm is here or not, the foundation he put in place for building and maintaining this franchise sounds like it has stuck. That's good news for the future......

Hoover
04-29-2008, 08:45 AM
I think Clark is going to be a great owner.

Lamar trusted CP and let him run the show. I think Clark has had the luxury to sit back and observe how winning teams operate and build. I'm sure the JA move was difficult, but it allowed Clark the opportunity to really put his stamp on the organization. The first visiable result is the amount of draft prep that was done for this draft. the good news is we were so successful its going to be something they now do year in and year out.

I think the next major step for Clark is reining CP in when it comes to signing these guys to contracts. Its important to make sure the team isn't getting bent over on rookie contracts, but we can't have CP starting these kids careers on a sour note.

The most difficult piece of the puzzle is having a good owner. We had a legend, now i think we have a great young owner who wants to prove himself in his own right.

Ii think Carl's days are numbered. It has to kill his huge ego to listen to the local media say that he's not in the drivers seat anymore. So he will either walk, or just be the the president of the organization and not have his hand in the football operations anymore.

Herm seems to be the guy who is going to turn this team around talent wise, and whuile doing so if he can prove his stripes as a HC he will captain the ship for as long time, but Clark isn't going to wait forever. Herm might have 2 years to accomplish something.

The good news is when/if CP and Herm depart KC it looks like our franchise is going to be strong which will attract a top notch GM and HC. That's something that could not be said just a year ago.

The rebuilding of this team isn't just the product on the field but the rebuilding of an entire franchise. Owner, philosophy, stadium, and players. Target date: 2010 all should be in place. I think this has been in the works for a long time, but we are now just seeing how its going to come together.

I'm excited

Coogs
04-29-2008, 09:04 AM
Outstanding article. Every bit of it. It is nice to know the owner thinks we the fans know a little bit. Never sensed that with CP.

Giving it up for Clark and the new direction of this franchise. It has been a lng time comming and has been much needed...

:clap::clap::clap:

Direckshun
04-29-2008, 10:44 AM
I think it's possible we see LJ or Tony G on the trading block in a year.

Think about it -- I'm sure the Chiefs would gladly take the cap hit if they can get multiple picks out of the deal.

Hoover
04-29-2008, 10:57 AM
I think it's possible we see LJ or Tony G on the trading block in a year.

Think about it -- I'm sure the Chiefs would gladly take the cap hit if they can get multiple picks out of the deal.
I don't think we will see enough value in return for them.

Plus we need some vets on the team. I also think LJ when healthy can still bring it.

blueballs
04-29-2008, 10:57 AM
Do you use a tape recorder
was Hunt miked

Extra Point
04-29-2008, 10:57 AM
CP is getting paid no matter what. After 20 with the Chiefs, he's more than fully vested in whatever retirement program he negotiated. Clark will never let go of the Chiefs, and Carl can keep his desk clean and pick up his paychecks. In some respects, Carl Peterson is now actually managing the team, letting his staff team buy more into their jobs, and cutting back on micro-management, which kills employee motivation.

Nice to hear what Clark had to say.

mlyonsd
04-29-2008, 10:59 AM
I've been waiting for Hunt to give a hint as to how he plans on running the franchise. If he follows the plan in the article we just might have turned the corner.

At the very least I think Hunt's new philosphy gives hope Carl's replacement will be a good one.

beach tribe
04-29-2008, 11:01 AM
The draft was great, but it pisses me off that ALL of our drafts were not thought out, and thorough. WTF do they think the draft is?

blueballs
04-29-2008, 11:14 AM
Anything in there about trading Peterson to the Lions for a 7th rounder
hell
Millen will probably sign off on the trade

StcChief
04-29-2008, 11:54 AM
Like this attitude twords the Chiefs...I guess when you put a lotta money in the stadium,
better make sure your have a good product on the field. :thumb:

xbarretx
04-29-2008, 12:00 PM
[QUOTE=GOATSE;4724896]ēēē

Ultimately, Hunt knows that heís serving the fans. Can they endure another losing season while this yearís draft class matures? Hunt thinks so.

"I do realize that in the short run, going with young players could have some shortcomings in terms of our performance on the field," he said. "But thatís OK. I think those guys will learn and our fans will enjoy watching those players develop."

QUOTE]

thanks Goat, great read :clap:

Chief Faithful
04-29-2008, 12:25 PM
It sounds like he's gonna let Herm stick around until these young players aren't so young then bring someone in who can coach them.

The Allen explanation doesn't really fly. The players New England and Pittsburgh let go are system players. Pittsburgh is notorious for letting linebackers go but all the linebackers in pittsburgh put up good numbers due in large part to their blitz schemes. For New England, WRs and TEs put up good numbers due to their offense and Tom Brady, while DBs put up good numbers due to their front 3 and the amount of zone they play. NE gave Richard Seymour an extension because he's more of a foundational player for them. With our defense, losing Jared Allen is equivalent to Seattles offense losing Steve Hutchinson.

You make good points except with the Steve Hutchinson example. Seattle got nothing in return while the Chiefs got Albert, Cottam and Morgan. Albert and Cottam are going to make a big big difference for the offense next year.

Chiefnj2
04-29-2008, 12:30 PM
Yeah, but he lied about Jared Allen. /Chiefnj2

But, it's not like WPI was going to call him on it. He's also backing off from his hard line stance of instant improvement. Enjoy Herm and Carl for another decade.

R&GHomer
04-29-2008, 12:45 PM
Outstanding article. It sure is refreshing to see the direction Clark is taking this franchise. I'm excited

Mecca
04-29-2008, 02:04 PM
But, it's not like WPI was going to call him on it. He's also backing off from his hard line stance of instant improvement. Enjoy Herm and Carl for another decade.

Instant improvement wasn't the way to approach this situation..I'm pretty sure even you know that with your stance.

Brock
04-29-2008, 02:21 PM
But, it's not like WPI was going to call him on it. He's also backing off from his hard line stance of instant improvement. Enjoy Herm and Carl for another decade.

I don't really care that much about it anymore. What I'm really waiting for is your buzzkill analysis of the draft.

Chiefnj2
04-29-2008, 02:24 PM
Instant improvement wasn't the way to approach this situation..I'm pretty sure even you know that with your stance.

I know that instant improvement shouldn't have been the stance, but that was Clark's stance.

Clark is smart - people wanted blood at the end of the year and so he said the right things - we'll keep our best player, I'm going to demand changes, things better improve or heads will roll, etc. All along he knew he'd be like dad and let Carl run things and give a contract extension to Herm, but he couldn't say it back then. People in KC are easily placated. A good paper draft bought Herm another year or two in most people's eyes.

KC will fall flat this year and it will be okay because they are young and improving, and don't have a pass rush or a full OL yet or franchise QB, But that's okay, they've got a top 10 pick and some FA money and that will buy another 2-3 year plan.

Every May is rebirth in Kansas City. No matter how vile the past season was, with the draft comes hope. Like Andy Dusfresne crawling through a mile long pipe of shit to come out a free man, reborn in a cleansing summer rain, so do Chief fans emerge from another disappointing season at the hands of Carl and Co. with the same hope in their eyes.

Chiefnj2
04-29-2008, 02:25 PM
I don't really care that much about it anymore. What I'm really waiting for is your buzzkill analysis of the draft.

Stalk much???

Brock
04-29-2008, 02:25 PM
Stalk much???

Riiight. :spock:

HemiEd
04-29-2008, 03:18 PM
I know that instant improvement shouldn't have been the stance, but that was Clark's stance.

Clark is smart - people wanted blood at the end of the year and so he said the right things - we'll keep our best player, I'm going to demand changes, things better improve or heads will roll, etc. All along he knew he'd be like dad and let Carl run things and give a contract extension to Herm, but he couldn't say it back then. People in KC are easily placated. A good paper draft bought Herm another year or two in most people's eyes.

KC will fall flat this year and it will be okay because they are young and improving, and don't have a pass rush or a full OL yet or franchise QB, But that's okay, they've got a top 10 pick and some FA money and that will buy another 2-3 year plan.

Every May is rebirth in Kansas City. No matter how vile the past season was, with the draft comes hope. Like Andy Dusfresne crawling through a mile long pipe of shit to come out a free man, reborn in a cleansing summer rain, so do Chief fans emerge from another disappointing season at the hands of Carl and Co. with the same hope in their eyes.
Well it is clearly boom or bust, now. This team has been down that road before too, that is why mediocrity was such a pleasant change when it was achieved.
But who knows, it looks like a boom in a few years, with this draft. It could change, but it looks good so far.

Ari Chi3fs
04-29-2008, 03:27 PM
OMG Clark pimped Warfield Illustrated. WTF?!

"What I’ve come to learn is that the fans are actually really studied. They’re really smart. It must be because there’s 24-hour news on the National Football League. It’s Warpaint Illustrated and all the cable channels that cover the NFL and the constant media attention and the internet. Fans have become very smart in terms of how championship teams are built, and I sense they understand what we’re doing and will support it."

Dave Lane
04-29-2008, 03:37 PM
I'll give Clark some respect for knowing how teams are built and not wanting the just win 8 games approach.

Good to also know we won't see anymore coaches like Vermiel who will do all to win now and don't care about the long term success of the team.

Actually very true, but I think the most interesting thing to come out of this is the fact that at the bottom line it was Kuharic that was the difference maker in the whole process. I couldn't figure out how Herm who couldn't draft his way out of a contest with Carl could do a good job like this year. Congrats to Kuharic for doing a great job and relieving Carl of the ability to let Herm or future coaches get too much input in the process.

Dave

the Talking Can
04-29-2008, 03:45 PM
I know that instant improvement shouldn't have been the stance, but that was Clark's stance.

Clark is smart - people wanted blood at the end of the year and so he said the right things - we'll keep our best player, I'm going to demand changes, things better improve or heads will roll, etc. All along he knew he'd be like dad and let Carl run things and give a contract extension to Herm, but he couldn't say it back then. People in KC are easily placated. A good paper draft bought Herm another year or two in most people's eyes.

KC will fall flat this year and it will be okay because they are young and improving, and don't have a pass rush or a full OL yet or franchise QB, But that's okay, they've got a top 10 pick and some FA money and that will buy another 2-3 year plan.

Every May is rebirth in Kansas City. No matter how vile the past season was, with the draft comes hope. Like Andy Dusfresne crawling through a mile long pipe of shit to come out a free man, reborn in a cleansing summer rain, so do Chief fans emerge from another disappointing season at the hands of Carl and Co. with the same hope in their eyes.

wow...such an original take....you're the only person in the world who figured out Carl sucks...how precious...

if you can't see the different path we took this offseason, and its direct repudiation of Carl-ism, then you're dumber then most True Fans...which is quite an achievement

Count Alex's Losses
04-29-2008, 04:06 PM
Clark rules.

ct
04-29-2008, 04:14 PM
I think Clark is going to be a great owner.

Lamar trusted CP and let him run the show. I think Clark has had the luxury to sit back and observe how winning teams operate and build. I'm sure the JA move was difficult, but it allowed Clark the opportunity to really put his stamp on the organization. The first visiable result is the amount of draft prep that was done for this draft. the good news is we were so successful its going to be something they now do year in and year out.

I think the next major step for Clark is reining CP in when it comes to signing these guys to contracts. Its important to make sure the team isn't getting bent over on rookie contracts, but we can't have CP starting these kids careers on a sour note.

The most difficult piece of the puzzle is having a good owner. We had a legend, now i think we have a great young owner who wants to prove himself in his own right.

Ii think Carl's days are numbered. It has to kill his huge ego to listen to the local media say that he's not in the drivers seat anymore. So he will either walk, or just be the the president of the organization and not have his hand in the football operations anymore.

Herm seems to be the guy who is going to turn this team around talent wise, and whuile doing so if he can prove his stripes as a HC he will captain the ship for as long time, but Clark isn't going to wait forever. Herm might have 2 years to accomplish something.

The good news is when/if CP and Herm depart KC it looks like our franchise is going to be strong which will attract a top notch GM and HC. That's something that could not be said just a year ago.

The rebuilding of this team isn't just the product on the field but the rebuilding of an entire franchise. Owner, philosophy, stadium, and players. Target date: 2010 all should be in place. I think this has been in the works for a long time, but we are now just seeing how its going to come together.

I'm excited


Well said, Hoov!!

REP

Count Alex's Losses
04-29-2008, 04:17 PM
Look who's on Fox Sports:

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl

ct
04-29-2008, 04:18 PM
You make good points except with the Steve Hutchinson example. Seattle got nothing in return while the Chiefs got Albert, Cottam and Morgan. Albert and Cottam are going to make a big big difference for the offense next year.

Actually Albert, Charles, and Morgan. Cottam was the 3rd we switched with Detroit.

ct
04-29-2008, 04:21 PM
I know that instant improvement shouldn't have been the stance, but that was Clark's stance.

Clark is smart - people wanted blood at the end of the year and so he said the right things - we'll keep our best player, I'm going to demand changes, things better improve or heads will roll, etc. All along he knew he'd be like dad and let Carl run things and give a contract extension to Herm, but he couldn't say it back then. People in KC are easily placated. A good paper draft bought Herm another year or two in most people's eyes.

KC will fall flat this year and it will be okay because they are young and improving, and don't have a pass rush or a full OL yet or franchise QB, But that's okay, they've got a top 10 pick and some FA money and that will buy another 2-3 year plan.

Every May is rebirth in Kansas City. No matter how vile the past season was, with the draft comes hope. Like Andy Dusfresne crawling through a mile long pipe of shit to come out a free man, reborn in a cleansing summer rain, so do Chief fans emerge from another disappointing season at the hands of Carl and Co. with the same hope in their eyes.

If you truly don't see anything different happening here, then you might as well switch teams, or sports, or somethin...

ChiefGator
04-29-2008, 04:30 PM
So, Kuharich ran the draft... very interesting. From all the press conferences I've watched, he has really impressed me actually. And this draft certainly impresses me. And somehow I think that Herm was a part of that as well, pushing Bill and working with him in a way that CP wouldn't have let him. I think Herm and Bill are a winning combination.

Now if we can just figure out how to work a blockbuster trade next year to get two 1sts and extra picks in just about every round... :-)

38yrsfan
04-29-2008, 05:30 PM
It does sound great however, only time will tell if it is just more encouraging noise to keep the stands filled.

milkman
04-30-2008, 02:22 PM
You make good points except with the Steve Hutchinson example. Seattle got nothing in return while the Chiefs got Albert, Cottam and Morgan. Albert and Cottam are going to make a big big difference for the offense next year.

And his point doesn't take into account that with one misstep, Jared Allen is gone for year.

That's a huge risk, and the Vikings, giving Allen the kind of maney they did, was irresponsible, and I would have been pissed if Hunt and the Chiefs signed him to that kind of contract.

milkman
04-30-2008, 02:30 PM
I know that instant improvement shouldn't have been the stance, but that was Clark's stance.

Clark is smart - people wanted blood at the end of the year and so he said the right things - we'll keep our best player, I'm going to demand changes, things better improve or heads will roll, etc. All along he knew he'd be like dad and let Carl run things and give a contract extension to Herm, but he couldn't say it back then. People in KC are easily placated. A good paper draft bought Herm another year or two in most people's eyes.

KC will fall flat this year and it will be okay because they are young and improving, and don't have a pass rush or a full OL yet or franchise QB, But that's okay, they've got a top 10 pick and some FA money and that will buy another 2-3 year plan.

Every May is rebirth in Kansas City. No matter how vile the past season was, with the draft comes hope. Like Andy Dusfresne crawling through a mile long pipe of shit to come out a free man, reborn in a cleansing summer rain, so do Chief fans emerge from another disappointing season at the hands of Carl and Co. with the same hope in their eyes.

Hunt did a PR job.
Sue him.

Most of us with half a brain didn't believe him.
We fully expected to have another losing season in this rebuilding proces, and are ok with that.

What we hope to see is growth and improvement by the end of this season, and we should expect a competitive team in '09, and a contender in '10.

And we shouldn't be spending FA money until after the '09 season, at the earliest.

jjchieffan
04-30-2008, 02:45 PM
At the very least I think Hunt's new philosphy gives hope Carl's replacement will be a good one.
I imagine after this draft, and as long as he continues to do well, that Kuharich will be promoted to GM when Carl leaves.