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smittysbar
05-06-2008, 05:22 PM
Just reported on NFL Total Access. The QB he said to watch out for this year is Tyler Thigpen from KC. Said he was told that the Chiefs really like what they see in him and that he may battle Croyle for the starting job.

KCrockaholic
05-06-2008, 05:23 PM
this will get interesting....im rooting for Thigpen, i like'em

smittysbar
05-06-2008, 05:26 PM
Scheffler, sure was high on him

Short Leash Hootie
05-06-2008, 05:29 PM
is it ok that I called him YAAANCY! everytime he threw a pass when he played last year?!

If he turns out to be good I'm ok with that =)

beach tribe
05-06-2008, 05:32 PM
Competition is good for players. Unless Croyle gets hurt, he will be the starter.

Brock
05-06-2008, 05:34 PM
They'd better have some kind of plan in place. There is no way Croyle makes it all season.

Stewie
05-06-2008, 05:34 PM
Thigpen? An NFL starter? Really?

Short Leash Hootie
05-06-2008, 05:36 PM
Thigpen? An NFL starter? Really?

If I had to guess, I'd say there are as many 5th round and below (including UFA's) starting QB's in the league as there are 1st round - 3rd round...

Just saying...

noa
05-06-2008, 05:36 PM
If I had to guess, I'd say there are as many 5th round and below (including UFA's) starting QB's in the league as there are 1st round - 3rd round...

Just saying...

I actually looked it up last season. A majority of teams start a QB drafted somewhere in the first three rounds. But yeah, there are a lot of 6th round QBs out there. Bulger, Brady, Anderson come to mind right away. I'm sure if I looked it up again, it would be pretty close.

Stewie
05-06-2008, 05:37 PM
Thigpen = Steve Stenstrom

Mr. Laz
05-06-2008, 05:37 PM
dunno .... it's probably typical Chiefs bullchit.

they pretty much do it every year. Start rumors about some kind of surprise super player to get the fans off their backs about the lack of talent.

tyler thigpen meet jesse haynes

Basileus777
05-06-2008, 05:37 PM
Watch out for Casey Printers, I hear he is going to beat out Croyle too.

Direckshun
05-06-2008, 05:41 PM
Go Thiggy.

Count Zarth
05-06-2008, 05:49 PM
He has a plus arm and is more mobile than Croyle. His height is the only concern.

Stewie
05-06-2008, 05:50 PM
He has a plus arm and is more mobile than Croyle. His height is the only concern.

See my previous post.

banyon
05-06-2008, 05:54 PM
If I had to guess, I'd say there are as many 5th round and below (including UFA's) starting QB's in the league as there are 1st round - 3rd round...

Just saying...

You're wrong, no surprise there.


1. P. Manning Ind. (1st Rd, # 1 overall pick)
2. T. Brady NE ( 6th round)
3. D. Brees NO (1st round)
4. C. Palmer Cin. (1st round)
5. M. Bulger St. L (6th round)
6. M. Hasselbeck Sea. (6th round)
7. V. Young* Tenn (1st round)
8. P. Rivers* SD (1st round)
9. J. Kitna * Det. ( UFA)
10. J. Cutler* Den. (1st round)
11. T. Romo* Dall. (UFA)
12. D. McNabb Phil. (1st round)
13. J. Flacco Bal. (1st round)
14. A. Rodgers GB (1st round)
15. C. Pennington Jets (1st round)
16. J. Delhomme Car. (UFA)
17. B. Roethlisberger Pit. (1st round)
18. M. Leinart* Ariz. (1st round)
19. M. Schaub* Hou. (3rd round)
20. J.P. Losman* Buf. (1st round)
21. M. Ryan Atl. (1st round)
22. J. Garcia* TB (UFA)
23. E. Manning Giants (1st round) (#1 overall)
24. J. Beck Miami (2nd round)
25. A. Smith (1st round) (#1 overall)
26. J. Campbell* (1st round)
27. R. Grossman* Chi. (1st round)
28. D. Garrard. Jax (4th round)
29. J. Russell* Oak. (1st round) (#1 overall)
30. T. Jackson* Min. (2nd round)
31. D. Anderson Cle. (6th round)
32. B. Croyle* KC (3rd round)

smittysbar
05-06-2008, 05:56 PM
He has a plus arm and is more mobile than Croyle. His height is the only concern.

Croyle has a bigger arm than Tyler though....correct?

Count Zarth
05-06-2008, 05:57 PM
Croyle has a bigger arm than Tyler though....correct?

Yeah, of course.

DaneMcCloud
05-06-2008, 05:58 PM
Competition is good for players. When Croyle gets hurt, he will be the starter.

FYP

DaneMcCloud
05-06-2008, 05:59 PM
Croyle has a bigger arm than Tyler though....correct?

I think arm strength is sooooo over rated.

Give me an accurate QB with "touch" any day over a "big arm".

smittysbar
05-06-2008, 06:01 PM
I think arm strength is sooooo over rated.

Give me an accurate QB with "touch" any day over a "big arm".

I am greedy, I want both :D

BigMeatballDave
05-06-2008, 06:04 PM
I think arm strength is sooooo over rated.

Give me an accurate QB with "touch" any day over a "big arm".Touch? I don't 'get' it? :D

beach tribe
05-06-2008, 06:04 PM
FYP

Thanks Mr. Clairvoyance.

DaneMcCloud
05-06-2008, 06:05 PM
Thanks Mr. Clairvoyance.

You're welcome :evil:

DaneMcCloud
05-06-2008, 06:05 PM
I am greedy, I want both :D

Brett Favre retired

DaneMcCloud
05-06-2008, 06:08 PM
Touch? I don't 'get' it? :D

ROFL ROFL

rtmike
05-06-2008, 06:18 PM
I remember Childress being interviewed last year and he said he'd be big time bummed if someone snatched Thiggy when they tried to get him to the practice squad.

chagrin
05-06-2008, 06:40 PM
Thigpen? An NFL starter? Really?

no doubt, I would like to know anyone here who "really" knows anything about the guy and why he is exciting, gimme a break. ROFL

Brock
05-06-2008, 06:44 PM
I remember Childress being interviewed last year and he said he'd be big time bummed if someone snatched Thiggy when they tried to get him to the practice squad.

That's actually true. And given his track record at evaluating quarterbacks lately, I'd say he really may have screwed up by releasing Thigpen.

Vaspar
05-06-2008, 07:18 PM
Thigpen looked as good as Croyle did last year in the preseason games I saw him in. Of course he didn't play against many if any starters, but none the less he handled himself on the field as well as we've seen from Croyle. I hope one of them can rise to the challenge, as next years draft doesn't promise much talent at the QB position.

ChiefsCountry
05-06-2008, 07:19 PM
Thigpen looked as good as Croyle did last year in the preseason games I saw him in. Of course he didn't play against many if any starters, but none the less he handled himself on the field as well as we've seen from Croyle. I hope one of them can rise to the challenge, as next years draft doesn't promise much talent at the QB position.

Did you watch Minnesota's presason games?

DaneMcCloud
05-06-2008, 07:23 PM
Thigpen looked as good as Croyle did last year in the preseason games I saw him in. Of course he didn't play against many if any starters, but none the less he handled himself on the field as well as we've seen from Croyle. I hope one of them can rise to the challenge, as next years draft doesn't promise much talent at the QB position.

Thigpen was 5 of 11 for 32 yards in three pre-season games.

Vaspar
05-06-2008, 07:23 PM
I don't recall that game, however one game isn't enough to say yes or no about. He was also playing behind our backup offensive line, given the leaks there with our starters last year he's fortunate to at least be mobile.

Ebolapox
05-06-2008, 07:24 PM
You're wrong, no surprise there.


1. P. Manning Ind. (1st Rd, # 1 overall pick)
2. T. Brady NE ( 6th round)
3. D. Brees NO (1st round)
4. C. Palmer Cin. (1st round)
5. M. Bulger St. L (6th round)
6. M. Hasselbeck Sea. (6th round)
7. V. Young* Tenn (1st round)
8. P. Rivers* SD (1st round)
9. J. Kitna * Det. ( UFA)
10. J. Cutler* Den. (1st round)
11. T. Romo* Dall. (UFA)
12. D. McNabb Phil. (1st round)
13. J. Flacco Bal. (1st round)
14. A. Rodgers GB (1st round)
15. C. Pennington Jets (1st round)
16. J. Delhomme Car. (UFA)
17. B. Roethlisberger Pit. (1st round)
18. M. Leinart* Ariz. (1st round)
19. M. Schaub* Hou. (3rd round)
20. J.P. Losman* Buf. (1st round)
21. M. Ryan Atl. (1st round)
22. J. Garcia* TB (UFA)
23. E. Manning Giants (1st round) (#1 overall)
24. J. Beck Miami (2nd round)
25. A. Smith (1st round) (#1 overall)
26. J. Campbell* (1st round)
27. R. Grossman* Chi. (1st round)
28. D. Garrard. Jax (4th round)
29. J. Russell* Oak. (1st round) (#1 overall)
30. T. Jackson* Min. (2nd round)
31. D. Anderson Cle. (6th round)
32. B. Croyle* KC (3rd round)

drew brees wasn't a first rounder. he was a second rounder.

Vaspar
05-06-2008, 07:25 PM
How much time did he get in those 3 games? And how does that stack up statistically to Croyles' numbers in the games he played in?

Vaspar
05-06-2008, 07:26 PM
Not saying Thigpen is the answer, just saying we don't know what we have where he is concerned.

TEX
05-06-2008, 07:34 PM
Just reported on NFL Total Access. The QB he said to watch out for this year is Tyler Thigpen from KC. Said he was told that the Chiefs really like what they see in him and that he may battle Croyle for the starting job.

Good. Croyle has done nothing to be handed the starting job. I like the idea of competition.

BigVE
05-06-2008, 07:35 PM
But...but...what about Huard????

banyon
05-06-2008, 09:19 PM
drew brees wasn't a first rounder. he was a second rounder.

My bad I did that mostly from memory. He was the 1st pick of the 2nd round.

Count Zarth
05-06-2008, 09:23 PM
I don't recall that game, however one game isn't enough to say yes or no about. He was also playing behind our backup offensive line, given the leaks there with our starters last year he's fortunate to at least be mobile.

I don't think you get it. Thigpen wasn't on KC's roster last preseason.

POND_OF_RED
05-06-2008, 09:32 PM
Carl Peterson just leaked this as a smokescreen to lure HBO Hard Knocks back to River Falls.

KcMizzou
05-06-2008, 09:34 PM
So, what does this guy know about Thigpen, that we don't know?

Even Chiefs fans are like... WTF?

smittysbar
05-06-2008, 09:37 PM
FL Network's Adam Schefter reports that Tyler Thigpen has been impressive enough in minicamps to make the Chiefs think he could compete for a starting job.
Thigpen made the Chiefs as the emergency quarterback and was 2-for-6 with an interception in his only game last season before getting injured in practice. He's is facing long odds, but if Brodie Croyle struggles and the Chiefs are out of contention, they could give him a look. http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/playerbreakingnews.asp?sport=NFL&id=4284&line=116053&spln=1 (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/playerbreakingnews.asp?sport=NFL&id=4284&line=116053&spln=1)

DaneMcCloud
05-06-2008, 09:44 PM
f Brodie Croyle struggles and the Chiefs are out of contention, they could give him a look.

Wow! No kidding? If the Chiefs are out of contention (duh!) or Croyle struggles, the Chiefs *might* give him a look? Really? A QB on their roster? :rolleyes:

Hey Shefter, are you working for WPI now?

GREAT investigative journalism!

ChiefsFanatic
05-06-2008, 09:45 PM
I am sure I will get called out for knowing nothing about football, etc., but when Thigpen was in last year, he seemed comfortable in the pocket. When I watch Croyle, it looks to me like he is uncomfortable, and he seems to have Bartee Syndrome.

When you watch the elite quarterbacks they all seem to see the whole field, and they make it look effortless. Brokie Croyle seems unable to turn his shoulders or head. Just my opinion.

smittysbar
05-06-2008, 09:46 PM
Knowing Herm ****ing Edwards, it would be Huard

DeezNutz
05-06-2008, 09:47 PM
I am sure I will get called out for knowing nothing about football, etc., but when Thigpen was in last year, he seemed comfortable in the pocket. When I watch Croyle, it looks to me like he is uncomfortable, and he seems to have Bartee Syndrome.

When you watch the elite quarterbacks they all seem to see the whole field, and they make it look effortless. Brokie Croyle seems unable to turn his shoulders or head. Just my opinion.

Sorry, dude. You don't know shit about football. :)

TRR
05-06-2008, 09:47 PM
Thigpen looked as good as Croyle did last year in the preseason games I saw him in. Of course he didn't play against many if any starters, but none the less he handled himself on the field as well as we've seen from Croyle. I hope one of them can rise to the challenge, as next years draft doesn't promise much talent at the QB position.

LOL! Thigpen completed 5 passes in the preseason. And I guarantee you that you didn't watch any of the Vikes preseason games....I bet you that you thought Thigpen played with KC in preseason.

DaneMcCloud
05-06-2008, 09:54 PM
LOL! Thigpen completed 5 passes in the preseason. And I guarantee you that you didn't watch any of the Vikes preseason games....I bet you that you thought Thigpen played with KC in preseason.

Given that he stated "behind our backup offensive line", I think he's confused Thigpen with someone else.

Who that would be is a mystery wrapped in an enigma with a donut on top.

He was also playing behind our backup offensive line, given the leaks there with our starters last year he's fortunate to at least be mobile.

kcchiefsus
05-06-2008, 09:56 PM
I am sure I will get called out for knowing nothing about football, etc., but when Thigpen was in last year, he seemed comfortable in the pocket. When I watch Croyle, it looks to me like he is uncomfortable, and he seems to have Bartee Syndrome.

When you watch the elite quarterbacks they all seem to see the whole field, and they make it look effortless. Brokie Croyle seems unable to turn his shoulders or head. Just my opinion.

So your saying the elite quarterbacks saw the entire field and made it effortless as rookies or 2nd year players? I'm sure Troy Aikman saw the whole field and made it look effortless and it was everybody elses fault that they were 0-11 in the games that he started. I'm sure Peyton Manning was an instant success and made everything look effortless despite the Colts going 3-13 his rookie year with him as a starter.

Direckshun
05-06-2008, 09:56 PM
Given that he stated "behind our backup offensive line", I think he's confused Thigpen with someone else.

Who that would be is a mystery wrapped in an enigma with a donut on top.
Holy shit, you've been annoying lately.

Count Zarth
05-06-2008, 09:58 PM
Probably that Greene kid.

DaneMcCloud
05-06-2008, 09:59 PM
Probably that Greene kid.

Did he play in pre-season?

DaneMcCloud
05-06-2008, 09:59 PM
Holy shit, you've been annoying lately.

Thank you.

Brock
05-06-2008, 09:59 PM
Terrell. He's probably selling used cars.

el borracho
05-06-2008, 10:02 PM
Ah, the new Scanlon/Haynes/Boomer/White/offseason hero. I was thinking it would be Michael Allan but with two new TEs in the recent draft and our vacuous hole at QB I see it has to be Thigpen. Well... congratulations, Tyler.

Chiefs Pantalones
05-06-2008, 10:11 PM
FL Network's Adam Schefter reports that Tyler Thigpen has been impressive enough in minicamps to make the Chiefs think he could compete for a starting job.
Thigpen made the Chiefs as the emergency quarterback and was 2-for-6 with an interception in his only game last season before getting injured in practice. He's is facing long odds, but if Brodie Croyle struggles and the Chiefs are out of contention, they could give him a look. http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/playerbreakingnews.asp?sport=NFL&id=4284&line=116053&spln=1 (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/playerbreakingnews.asp?sport=NFL&id=4284&line=116053&spln=1)

LOL!!!

"If" Brodie Croyle struggles and "if" the Chiefs are out of contention. ROFL

el borracho
05-06-2008, 10:15 PM
LOL!!!

"If" Brodie Croyle struggles and "if" the Chiefs are out of contention. ROFL

I have typed and deleted more posts in the last year than in the previous 6 years, here at chiefsplanet. There just aren't a whole lot of positives, are there?

Wilson8
05-06-2008, 10:23 PM
Did not see this posted. Link to the original story from NFL.COM - http://www.nfl.com/news/story;jsessionid=7BC459869AF2663E22317A919AC26FD2?id=09000d5d8083036d&template=with-video&confirm=true

Chiefs Pantalones
05-06-2008, 10:26 PM
I have typed and deleted more posts in the last year than in the previous 6 years, here at chiefsplanet. There just aren't a whole lot of positives, are there?

I hope Croyle does good, I hope the Chiefs do good.

But the chances of Croyle working out, especially under these coaches and front office, and the Chiefs working out, is not very good at all.

Count Zarth
05-06-2008, 10:26 PM
I can see it now....Thigpen will light up training camp and we'll see a "Chiefs have QB controversy" story written.

Short Leash Hootie
05-06-2008, 10:36 PM
You're wrong, no surprise there.


1. P. Manning Ind. (1st Rd, # 1 overall pick)
2. T. Brady NE ( 6th round)
3. D. Brees NO (1st round)
4. C. Palmer Cin. (1st round)
5. M. Bulger St. L (6th round)
6. M. Hasselbeck Sea. (6th round)
7. V. Young* Tenn (1st round)
8. P. Rivers* SD (1st round)
9. J. Kitna * Det. ( UFA)
10. J. Cutler* Den. (1st round)
11. T. Romo* Dall. (UFA)
12. D. McNabb Phil. (1st round)
13. J. Flacco Bal. (1st round)
14. A. Rodgers GB (1st round)
15. C. Pennington Jets (1st round)
16. J. Delhomme Car. (UFA)
17. B. Roethlisberger Pit. (1st round)
18. M. Leinart* Ariz. (1st round)
19. M. Schaub* Hou. (3rd round)
20. J.P. Losman* Buf. (1st round)
21. M. Ryan Atl. (1st round)
22. J. Garcia* TB (UFA)
23. E. Manning Giants (1st round) (#1 overall)
24. J. Beck Miami (2nd round)
25. A. Smith (1st round) (#1 overall)
26. J. Campbell* (1st round)
27. R. Grossman* Chi. (1st round)
28. D. Garrard. Jax (4th round)
29. J. Russell* Oak. (1st round) (#1 overall)
30. T. Jackson* Min. (2nd round)
31. D. Anderson Cle. (6th round)
32. B. Croyle* KC (3rd round)
Ok fine...there are MUCH more starting QB's that weren't 1st round picks...and a lot of guys like Alex Smith, Flacco, Jason Campbell, Matt Ryan, JP Losman, Matt Leinart, and Chad Pennington aren't necessarily starters so **** yourself...

smittysbar
05-06-2008, 10:36 PM
LOL!!!

"If" Brodie Croyle struggles and "if" the Chiefs are out of contention. ROFL

He acted very different than this statement tonight on the show.

He was comparing him to Romo and Anderson of years past, and that he could be one to watch. His other was someone from the Panthers (wasn't paying attention)

DaneMcCloud
05-06-2008, 10:58 PM
Ok fine...there are MUCH more starting QB's that weren't 1st round picks...and a lot of guys like Alex Smith, Flacco, Jason Campbell, Matt Ryan, JP Losman, Matt Leinart, and Chad Pennington aren't necessarily starters so **** yourself...

WHAT?

Alex Smith, Jason Campbell, JP Losman, Chad Pennington aren't starters? WTF? If they're not starters, it's due to injury.

Matt Ryan & Joe Flacco have been named the starters in Atlanta & Baltimore so you have nothing to stand on their, either.

Basileus777
05-06-2008, 11:00 PM
Losman lost his job to Trent Edwards. Pennington is battling Kellen Clemens for his job. As far as I know, Alex Smith and Campbell are still starting.

Short Leash Hootie
05-06-2008, 11:07 PM
WHAT?

Alex Smith, Jason Campbell, JP Losman, Chad Pennington aren't starters? WTF? If they're not starters, it's due to injury.

Matt Ryan & Joe Flacco have been named the starters in Atlanta & Baltimore so you have nothing to stand on their, either.

What? MAYBE Campbell...but when have Flacco and Ryan been named starters? How is Losman the starter? He's demanding a trade...Pennington and Clemens are battling for a spot...Alex Smith is in a three way open competition...basically, STFU and die in a fire.

Guru
05-06-2008, 11:14 PM
He has a plus arm and is more mobile than Croyle. His height is the only concern.

Yep, that one inch means everything.

DaneMcCloud
05-06-2008, 11:22 PM
What? MAYBE Campbell...but when have Flacco and Ryan been named starters? How is Losman the starter? He's demanding a trade...Pennington and Clemens are battling for a spot...Alex Smith is in a three way open competition...basically, STFU and die in a fire.

JFC dude, you're an angry, bitter man. This is football, not life and death.

Pennington had been a starter for years so to say he isn't a starter is ridiculous. Losman lost his job due to injury, not because he was pulled. He was still THE starter. Alex Smith has been the starter for years and according to all reports, he's looked better than his competition, according to head coach Mike Nolan.

Matt Ryan is the face of the franchise in Atlanta. IF he isn't the opening game starter, he certainly will be at some point this upcoming season. Same goes for Flacco, for whom Baltimore gave up multiple picks to acquire.

Lighten up, Francis.

DaneMcCloud
05-06-2008, 11:22 PM
Yep, that one inch means everything.

That's what she said

ChiefsFanatic
05-06-2008, 11:51 PM
Sorry, dude. You don't know shit about football. :)

I am not saying Thigpen will be abything, ever. I actually highly doubt he will do anything but carry a clipboard his whole career. But I think Brokie Croyle is a joke.

If you think Brokie Croyle is the answer, good for you.

ChiefsFanatic
05-06-2008, 11:55 PM
So your saying the elite quarterbacks saw the entire field and made it effortless as rookies or 2nd year players? I'm sure Troy Aikman saw the whole field and made it look effortless and it was everybody elses fault that they were 0-11 in the games that he started. I'm sure Peyton Manning was an instant success and made everything look effortless despite the Colts going 3-13 his rookie year with him as a starter.

No, that is not what I am saying. I am saying that, even the QBs you named, looked comfortable in the pocket, almost like they belonged there. They played with some bad teams, but you could still see that they were going to be something. Brokie does not look like that.

If you think Brokie Croyle compares to the players you mentioned, you know less about football than you think I do.

Guru
05-07-2008, 12:23 AM
I am not saying Thigpen will be abything, ever. I actually highly doubt he will do anything but carry a clipboard his whole career. But I think Brokie Croyle is a joke.

If you think Brokie Croyle is the answer, good for you.
They just like his wife.

Ultra Peanut
05-07-2008, 12:37 AM
Holy shit, you've been annoying lately.Do you give his posts a C+?

blueballs
05-07-2008, 01:17 AM
Carl Peterson just leaked this as a smokescreen to lure HBO Hard Knocks back to River Falls.


Jerry Jones is said to have that
all but tied up

banyon
05-07-2008, 07:14 AM
Ok fine...there are MUCH more starting QB's that weren't 1st round picks...and a lot of guys like Alex Smith, Flacco, Jason Campbell, Matt Ryan, JP Losman, Matt Leinart, and Chad Pennington aren't necessarily starters so **** yourself...

Don't take being wrong well, huh?

Well Michael Vick and Steve McNair sure aren't the starters.

Those were projections of who will start. Clemens could beat out Pennington again.

smittysbar
05-07-2008, 08:07 AM
810 was pumping up this BS a little bit ago on the radio.

picasso
05-07-2008, 08:48 AM
Actually Casey Printers was better than Croyle in the preseason last year. Printers just flubbed it up when the pressure play needed to be made especially taking the ball from center.

Mr. Laz
05-07-2008, 09:02 AM
the more Croyle got coached, the worse he got

tyler thigpen benefited by not having to face the opposing starters and by not getting coached my the moron Trio.

hopefully with Gailey that will change

BigChiefFan
05-07-2008, 09:06 AM
And lil Brodie thought he had the job all locked up. Poor lil Brodie.

milkman
05-07-2008, 09:20 AM
I'm betting that Brodie is starting on opening day, and if he sucks Thigpen will get in sometime around midseason, and the Chiefs will be looking for QB in the '09 draft.

crazycoffey
05-07-2008, 09:34 AM
Yep, that one inch means everything.


It does when that's all I got....

FAX
05-07-2008, 09:58 AM
Wow ... I'm amazed at the number of 1st round starting QBs in the league at this moment in time. I would never have guessed that.

As for the QB competition, let 'er rip. But, I hope Hermoine makes his final decision on the starting QB before the end of the pre-season. Last year was a joke.

FAX

Coogs
05-07-2008, 10:30 AM
Thigpen last season vs San Diego...

2 Completions
6 Attempts
41 Yards
1 Interception
1 Sack
18.7 Rating


and IIRC, he was injured as well in that game. Pretty hard to see where some here saw better things than Croyle brought... other than he wasn't Croyle.

kaplin42
05-07-2008, 11:04 AM
Something to note here, which is pretty much the same as it was last year. We keep hearing that Croyle is the QB of the future, and there are many on the CP that swear up and down that Croyle is going to be the best thing that happened to this team.

Personally, I find that it speaks volumes that Croyle couldn't beat out
Damon "Captain Check Down" Huard for the starting position last year, and that this year, a 3rd stringer is what is going to be giving him competition for the starting job.

Croyle is not the QBotF, never has been. When his contract expires, he will be gone.


Edit: I just noticed this was my 1000th post. Kind of cool the banner at the top of the page that says congrats. Thats a nice touch for the site I think.

Brock
05-07-2008, 11:07 AM
Personally, I find that it speaks volumes that Croyle couldn't beat out Damon "Captain Check Down" Huard for the starting position last year, and that this year, a 3rd stringer is what is going to be giving him competition for the starting job.

That will bring out the Carl conspiracy nutjobs.

FAX
05-07-2008, 11:10 AM
Part of the problem, Mr. kaplin42, is that "Checking Down" isn't really Croyle's game. You don't develop a 70 yard throwing arm by dumping off the ball on every down.

You may well be right, however. He'll probably be gone soon and we'll be looking around the league for some over-the-hill, arthritic, 2nd stringer we can suit up to lead our team.

FAX

kaplin42
05-07-2008, 11:12 AM
You may well be right, however. He'll probably be gone soon and we'll be looking around the league for some over-the-hill, arthritic, 2nd stringer we can suit up to lead our team.

FAX

Kyle Boller will be a Chief soon?


NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!

suds79
05-07-2008, 11:33 AM
If a Tyler Thigpen really challenges Brodie Croyle for the starting job this year we might as well start the top college QB watch for next year.

Tyler Thigpen. sheesh :shake:

JohnnyV13
05-07-2008, 11:51 AM
So your saying the elite quarterbacks saw the entire field and made it effortless as rookies or 2nd year players? I'm sure Troy Aikman saw the whole field and made it look effortless and it was everybody elses fault that they were 0-11 in the games that he started. I'm sure Peyton Manning was an instant success and made everything look effortless despite the Colts going 3-13 his rookie year with him as a starter.

John Elway made it look so effortless that he lined up behind the right guard on one play. Other players had to point out his mistake before the snap.

Chief Faithful
05-07-2008, 12:05 PM
If Tyler is so good, why did he get cut?

el borracho
05-07-2008, 12:15 PM
Personally, I find that it speaks volumes that Croyle couldn't beat out Damon "Captain Check Down" Huard for the starting position last year...

I thought Croyle earned the job last year. He certainly moved the team better than Huard did. I'm pretty sure it was just the interceptions that swayed the decision. Huard was the "safe" bet and, despite what anybody might tell you, Carl and Herm were not rebuilding at this time last year.

vailpass
05-07-2008, 12:17 PM
If Adam Scheffler said it was dark outside I would have to look out the window before I believed him.

kaplin42
05-07-2008, 12:19 PM
I thought Croyle earned the job last year. He certainly moved the team better than Huard did. I'm pretty sure it was just the interceptions that swayed the decision. Huard was the "safe" bet and, despite what anybody might tell you, Carl and Herm were not rebuilding at this time last year.

As I remember it, Huard hurt himself (his knee?) and that is when Croyle came in. Then they had Huard start again after he was better, but he blew it, and from there Croyle started the rest of the games.

I don't think it's so much that Croyle earned the job, it was more that Huard sucked so much that there was no choice but to put Croyle in there.

el borracho
05-07-2008, 12:24 PM
Oops! I think I was a little unclear; I was referring to preseason. Croyle outplayed Huard in preseason last year, IMO, moving the team much better than Huard. The negative was the interceptions which one would expect from a young QB. Unfortunately, Carl and/ or Herm (you pick your own villain in this story) decided they couldn't afford the interceptions so they chose Huard. Only thing Huard did to win the starting job last year was throw less interceptions because he was not effective at moving the team.

FAX
05-07-2008, 12:26 PM
As I remember it, Huard hurt himself (his knee?) and that is when Croyle came in. Then they had Huard start again after he was better, but he blew it, and from there Croyle started the rest of the games.

I don't think it's so much that Croyle earned the job, it was more that Huard sucked so much that there was no choice but to put Croyle in there.

That's close to how I remember it. Our QB situation last year was just another example of mismanagement by Herm, in my opinion. Well .... it was either that or Herm was trying to protect Croyle's wife from becoming a young, hot, rich widow. Remember how bad our line was ...

FAX

Fish
05-07-2008, 12:37 PM
FU Brodie! Super Bowl now or GTFO!!!!

:shrug:

RustShack
05-07-2008, 12:38 PM
Croyle will go down, Thigpen will take over and we will go undefeated with him playing and we win the super bowl. Nothing new in the NFL.

Rooster
05-07-2008, 12:43 PM
We will see but look at him. Is he really NFL material?

kaplin42
05-07-2008, 12:58 PM
Oops! I think I was a little unclear; I was referring to preseason. Croyle outplayed Huard in preseason last year, IMO, moving the team much better than Huard. The negative was the interceptions which one would expect from a young QB. Unfortunately, Carl and/ or Herm (you pick your own villain in this story) decided they couldn't afford the interceptions so they chose Huard. Only thing Huard did to win the starting job last year was throw less interceptions because he was not effective at moving the team.

Ahhh, ok, I see what you're saying. I do believe this to be true, that it was largely a Carl and Herm decision.

I just have to wonder though. Any young QB is going to have problems, thats just the name of the game. But to see something in Croyle that made Carl and/or Herm say that Huard was the better option, it just makes me think they are blowing smoke up the fan's assess about having a QBotF.


@Fax

Mrs. Croyle would not to have shed one tear on the account of lonliness in the even of becomming a widow. She is more than willing to come to my place where I would be happy to comfort her and give her sollace.

StcChief
05-07-2008, 02:08 PM
If Adam Scheffler said it was dark outside I would have to look out the window before I believed him.no doubt....

he's a Donxs boy. hoping for QB issues in KC for sure

Chiefs Pantalones
05-07-2008, 03:06 PM
If a Tyler Thigpen really challenges Brodie Croyle for the starting job this year we might as well start the top college QB watch for next year.

Tyler Thigpen. sheesh :shake:

At this time next year the Chiefs will have either signed or traded for a veteran QB. The QB class next year, as it looks right now, is terrible. The Chiefs will have no choice but to go with a veteran, because the pressure will be on anyway to make a run at the Super Bowl in Herm's third year.

beach tribe
05-07-2008, 03:15 PM
We will see but look at him. Is he really NFL material?

That is exactly what i was thinking when i clicked this thread

milkman
05-07-2008, 03:18 PM
At this time next year the Chiefs will have either signed or traded for a veteran QB. The QB class next year, as it looks right now, is terrible. The Chiefs will have no choice but to go with a veteran, because the pressure will be on anyway to make a run at the Super Bowl in Herm's third year.

This season is Herman ****ing Edwards' third year.

Herman ****ing Edwards, because the rebuilding was delayed by the dumbass (Carl) in charge, will get til 2010.

Chiefs Pantalones
05-07-2008, 03:46 PM
This season is Herman ****ing Edwards' third year.

Herman ****ing Edwards, because the rebuilding was delayed by the dumbass (Carl) in charge, will get til 2010.

I wonder who our vet starting QB will be...

Spicy McHaggis
05-07-2008, 04:15 PM
If Tyler is so good, why did he get cut?

The Vikes tried to sneak him onto the PS. My lone Viking friend up here is actually irritated about losing him, especially considering their state of QB's.

FAX
05-07-2008, 04:21 PM
At this time next year the Chiefs will have either signed or traded for a veteran QB. The QB class next year, as it looks right now, is terrible. The Chiefs will have no choice but to go with a veteran, because the pressure will be on anyway to make a run at the Super Bowl in Herm's third year.

Wow. You must have insight that I lack because I don't see us attempting any sort of run at the SB anytime soon, Mr. Vanilla Thunder. Unless, of course, we can somehow kick our way into the playoffs.

I agree that leadership will likely buckle under and go looking for a veteran QB, though. The bastards.

FAX

Count Zarth
05-07-2008, 04:22 PM
BTW, it's Schefter, not Scheffler.

Pestilence
05-07-2008, 04:33 PM
At this time next year the Chiefs will have either signed or traded for a veteran QB. The QB class next year, as it looks right now, is terrible. The Chiefs will have no choice but to go with a veteran, because the pressure will be on anyway to make a run at the Super Bowl in Herm's third year.

J.P. Losman?

kaplin42
05-07-2008, 04:35 PM
J.P. Losman?

Kyle Boller?

milkman
05-07-2008, 04:36 PM
Chris Simms.

DaneMcCloud
05-07-2008, 04:37 PM
Wow. You must have insight that I lack because I don't see us attempting any sort of run at the SB anytime soon, Mr. Vanilla Thunder. Unless, of course, we can somehow kick our way into the playoffs.

I agree that leadership will likely buckle under and go looking for a veteran QB, though. The bastards.

FAX

Derek Anderson?

Pestilence
05-07-2008, 04:40 PM
Derek Anderson?

My hope is that if Croyle doesn't work out....we'll make a trade for Brady Quinn next offseason.

DaneMcCloud
05-07-2008, 04:42 PM
My hope is that if Croyle doesn't work out....we'll make a trade for Brady Quinn next offseason.

If the Chiefs are ready to make a run, I'd rather have Anderson.

Pestilence
05-07-2008, 04:43 PM
If the Chiefs are ready to make a run, I'd rather have Anderson.

Next year? Yeah right. I'd rather get Quinn and let him grow with the young team that we're going to have.

DaneMcCloud
05-07-2008, 04:46 PM
Next year? Yeah right. I'd rather get Quinn and let him grow with the young team that we're going to have.

Realistically, I don't think Cleveland will part with Quinn for the very reason you mentioned: They have a younger team and would like him to grow into the position. Unless he's just absolutely horrible in spot duty this upcoming season (or because of injury), I doubt they'll trade him.

I think Anderson's a more plausible signing, then draft someone behind him to take over in 2-3 years (much like Cleveland).

Coach
05-07-2008, 05:01 PM
Next year? Yeah right. I'd rather get Quinn and let him grow with the young team that we're going to have.

Problem is, Quinn hasn't proven anything. Also the Browns would suffer greatly from a fan's perspective, since Quinn was born and raised in Ohio.

I'd take Anderson over Quinn in a heartbeat.

el borracho
05-07-2008, 05:35 PM
At this time next year the Chiefs will have either signed or traded for a veteran QB. The QB class next year, as it looks right now, is terrible. The Chiefs will have no choice but to go with a veteran, because the pressure will be on anyway to make a run at the Super Bowl in Herm's third year.

2008 is Herm's third year with the Chiefs. 2009 would be his fourth (but hopefully he will be fired by then).

el borracho
05-07-2008, 05:37 PM
Should have known someone else would have already caught the error.

rtmike
05-07-2008, 05:39 PM
I wonder who our vet starting QB will be...

I hope and pray it's not Chad Pennington. You know King Carl would most likely give up a first day draft pick at Herm's urging.

KcMizzou
05-07-2008, 06:02 PM
I hope and pray it's not Chad Pennington. You know King Carl would most likely give up a first day draft pick at Herm's urging.Eh, there was a time when I was concerned about that. But actions speak louder than words, and the Chief's recent actions indicate that they wont be trading picks for aging vets any time soon.

KC Tattoo
05-07-2008, 07:15 PM
Then again Croyle just might work out. Then what? He turns out and surprises people with some big wins and then would you guys like the kid? He has to prove himself like all QBs do. What if he actually turns out to be damn good, and we have a QB in place for the building of a championship caliber team? OH Noo's then what do we do?

I like Tyler Thigpen too, they should be fighting over the #1QB spot. If either one of them turns out to be great then we can continue to get vallue in next years draft and not worry as much about the QB and consintrate getting the BA players, we may be picking later in the rounds and not in the top 10, your guess is as good as mine. I think Brodie is going to impress a lot of people this year so could Tyler.

I am expecting some tough games W/L watching these kids grow into a dominate team is going to be fun to watch over the next couple of years.

Go Brodie Croyle, Go Tyler Thigpen! Go CHIEFS!:arrow:

KCBOSS1
05-07-2008, 08:24 PM
Eh, there was a time when I was concerned about that. But actions speak louder than words, and the Chief's recent actions indicate that they wont be trading picks for aging vets any time soon.


I realize that, and am for it, I guess. but usually, mixtures work better don't they? Don't we need some vets around?

Cormac
05-07-2008, 08:41 PM
Then again Croyle just might work out. Then what? He turns out and surprises people with some big wins and then would you guys like the kid? He has to prove himself like all QBs do. What if he actually turns out to be damn good, and we have a QB in place for the building of a championship caliber team? OH Noo's then what do we do?

I like Tyler Thigpen too, they should be fighting over the #1QB spot. If either one of them turns out to be great then we can continue to get vallue in next years draft and not worry as much about the QB and consintrate getting the BA players, we may be picking later in the rounds and not in the top 10, your guess is as good as mine. I think Brodie is going to impress a lot of people this year so could Tyler.

I am expecting some tough games W/L watching these kids grow into a dominate team is going to be fun to watch over the next couple of years.

Go Brodie Croyle, Go Tyler Thigpen! Go CHIEFS!:arrow:

My, you are an optimistic fellow.

boogblaster
05-07-2008, 09:31 PM
Just saw a little bit of Thigpen last year... looked like he had a good arm and was trying to read the Defense ... but it didn't have much time that day ...

KcMizzou
05-07-2008, 10:11 PM
I realize that, and am for it, I guess. but usually, mixtures work better don't they? Don't we need some vets around?I guess that depends on whether or not you're prepared to suffer through another rough season or two....

Mecca
05-07-2008, 10:14 PM
I guess that depends on whether or not you're prepared to suffer through another rough season or two....

Me personally I'd rather just play all young guys, late draft picks and UDFA's are sometimes really good players but you have to give them the chance to find out..since we aren't competing for anything I feel we should do that.

KcMizzou
05-07-2008, 10:18 PM
Me personally I'd rather just play all young guys, late draft picks and UDFA's are sometimes really good players but you have to give them the chance to find out..since we aren't competing for anything I feel we should do that.I agree.

milkman
05-07-2008, 10:20 PM
Me personally I'd rather just play all young guys, late draft picks and UDFA's are sometimes really good players but you have to give them the chance to find out..since we aren't competing for anything I feel we should do that.

Given the fact that we aren't competing for anthing but draft position anyway, there's no benefit to playing it any other way.

Frosty
05-08-2008, 08:07 AM
I'd take Anderson over Quinn in a heartbeat.

I would love to have SqueakyD on the team, too, but then, I'm rather biased.

I've always thought that Quinn would be a bust.

siberian khatru
05-08-2008, 09:09 AM
I guess that depends on whether or not you're prepared to suffer through another rough season or two....

My attitude is, suck in 2008 again, get another prime draft and then begin turning things around in 09. If the 08 and 09 drafts pan out, I think we can have a .500 or better season in 09, and be looking at much better in 2010.

That's a lot of ifs, but it's about all we've got.

Coogs
05-08-2008, 10:18 AM
My attitude is, suck in 2008 again, get another prime draft and then begin turning things around in 09.

That might be tough to do on both counts.

First, it may be hard to suck this season when you consider we play...

Miami- who drafted 1st
Atlanta- who drafted 3rd
Oakland (twice)- who drafted 4th
Jets- who drafted 6th
Cincinnati- who drafted 9th
New Orleans- who had the 10th spot before trading up
Buffalo- who drafted 11th
Denver (twice)- who drafted 12th
Carolina- who drafted 13th

That is 11 of 16 games against teams that sucked nearly as bad as we did this season.

Then, in 2009, we play the AFC North and NFC East.

Both things on paper in May of 2008 appear to be not easy. Sucking in 2008 and improving (record wise anyway) in 2009.

FAX
05-08-2008, 10:28 AM
Fear not, Mr. Coogs. We will have little or no problem generating large quantities of suck this season.

FAX

Coogs
05-08-2008, 10:34 AM
Fear not, Mr. Coogs. We will have little or no problem generating large quantities of suck this season.

FAX

Some of those other teams may suck just as bad. Could make for some great games! I can't believe that schedule didn't generate any Primetime consideration. ;)

Brock
05-08-2008, 10:36 AM
That might be tough to do on both counts.

First, it may be hard to suck this season when you consider we play...

Miami- who drafted 1st
Atlanta- who drafted 3rd
Oakland (twice)- who drafted 4th
Jets- who drafted 6th
Cincinnati- who drafted 9th
New Orleans- who had the 10th spot before trading up
Buffalo- who drafted 11th
Denver (twice)- who drafted 12th
Carolina- who drafted 13th

That is 11 of 16 games against teams that sucked nearly as bad as we did this season.

Then, in 2009, we play the AFC North and NFC East.

Both things on paper in May of 2008 appear to be not easy. Sucking in 2008 and improving (record wise anyway) in 2009.

The Chiefs will be hard pressed to beat most of those teams.

crazycoffey
05-08-2008, 10:50 AM
That might be tough to do on both counts.

First, it may be hard to suck this season when you consider we play...

Miami- who drafted 1st
Atlanta- who drafted 3rd
Oakland (twice)- who drafted 4th
Jets- who drafted 6th
Cincinnati- who drafted 9th
New Orleans- who had the 10th spot before trading up
Buffalo- who drafted 11th
Denver (twice)- who drafted 12th
Carolina- who drafted 13th

That is 11 of 16 games against teams that sucked nearly as bad as we did this season.

Then, in 2009, we play the AFC North and NFC East.

Both things on paper in May of 2008 appear to be not easy. Sucking in 2008 and improving (record wise anyway) in 2009.



Print 'em

Coogs
05-08-2008, 11:18 AM
The Chiefs will be hard pressed to beat most of those teams.

I would agree. By the same token outside of maybe the Saints, those teams may be hard pressed to beat us as well. ESPN Instant Classics each and every week!

smittysbar
05-08-2008, 12:21 PM
BTW, it's Schefter, not Scheffler.


:harumph: :doh!:

smittysbar
05-08-2008, 12:58 PM
, Panthers could turn to unheralded QBs
By Adam Schefter | NFL Network



The ultimate quarterback sneaks are the ones in which players go from late-round pick or undrafted free agent to the top of a team's depth chart and beyond.

Recent QBs to climb up the charts
QB Round College
Derek Anderson 6th Oregon State
Tom Brady 6th Michigan
Marc Bulger 6th West Virginia
Matt Hasselbeck 6th Boston College
Trent Green 8th Indiana
Jake Delhomme Undrafted Louisiana-Lafayette
Jeff Garcia Undrafted San Jose St.
Kelly Holcomb Undrafted Middle Tennessee State
Damon Huard Undrafted Washington
Tony Romo Undrafted Eastern Illinois
Kurt Warner Undrafted Northern Iowa
Former sixth-round picks Tom Brady, Matt Hasselbeck, Derek Anderson and Marc Bulger did it.

So did undrafted free agents such as Tony Romo, Kurt Warner, Jeff Garcia and Jake Delhomme.

Now, two other virtually-unknown quarterbacks -- one in Kansas City and the other in Carolina -- are vying to do the same.

Former Coastal Carolina quarterback Tyler Thigpen, Minnesota's seventh-round pick in 2007, has impressed Kansas City enough to make the Chiefs think he could challenge for, and even win, the team's starting job.

Former Oregon State quarterback Matt Moore, an undrafted free agent that spent last summer with Dallas learning under Romo before being released, could do the same with the Panthers.

Thigpen and Moore could be to this season what Anderson was to last season.

The 6-foot-1, 224-pound Thigpen impressed the Chiefs throughout last year, but especially in Week 13 when he drove the Chiefs down field on one drive against San Diego before throwing an interception in the endzone.

With a good arm and a strong presence, Thigpen has impressed them enough to make them think he could unseat Brodie Croyle as the starter in Kansas City. Thigpen's chance will come this summer, as will Moore's.

Last season, while Delhomme was recovering from Tommy John surgery, Moore started three games and won two. Moore's strength is his poise in the pocket. At 6-foot-3 and almost 200 pounds, Moore stands tall and the ball comes out high. He has questionable arm strength, but enough moxie to make some think he could emerge as the Panthers starter.

Of course it is much easier to play quarterback in April and May than it is in November and December. But some of the same things that are being said about Thigpen and Moore were once being said about Brady, Hasselbeck, Anderson and Romo.

Baltimore's biggest recruit
Back in 1997, John Harbaugh and Cam Cameron were recruiting together for Indiana. Now they are recruiting together again -- for Baltimore.


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Only this time, their efforts revolve around only one player, perennial Pro Bowl offensive tackle Jonathan Ogden.

Harbaugh and Cameron have called Ogden and tried to convince him to play another season for the Ravens.

Others in the Ravens organization are not optimstic that Harbaugh and Cameron can succeed. But at least Ogden has yet to retire -– and it is now 10 days after the draft and coming up on the Ravens mandatory minicamp this weekend.

Ogden initially told Baltimore in March to operate as if he would be retiring. The Ravens then thought they would get a definitive answer before the draft; they didn't. And the fact that Ogden still hasn't officially told them he has retired has energized some enough to try to sway him to return.

Baltimore has prepared itself to move on without the 33-year-old Ogden, who has been voted to 11 straight Pro Bowls. It would be a bonus to Baltimore –- and a testament to Harbaugh and Cameron's recruiting abilities -- if Ogden were to return.

Familiar Rhodes
Dominic Rhodes, RB
Career Statistics
Att: 625
Yards: 2,576
TDs: 9
Running back Dominic Rhodes enjoyed his most productive Sundays with the Indianapolis Colts.

In 2001, as an undrafted free agent with the Colts, Rhodes rushed for 1,104 yards.

In Super Bowl XLI, Rhodes helped the Colts to their first Super Bowl victory, carrying the football 21 times for 113 yards and a touchdown.

And now that Rhodes is looking for work, it is likely that he'll land back in Indianapolis.

Rhodes and the Colts are expected to reach agreement on a deal that will enable him to back up featured running back Joseph Addai.

Indianapolis had drafted Michigan running back Mike Hart in the sixth round with the 202nd overall pick, but Rhodes already has proven himself to the Colts, something he was unable to do in Oakland.

After signing a two-year, $7.5 million contract with the Raiders in March of 2007, Rhodes was suspended four games for violating the league's substance abuse policy. Once Rhodes returned, he failed to establish himself in a backfield that already included Justin Fargas and LaMont Jordan. Rhodes finished the season with 75 carries for 302 yards.

When the Raiders restructured his contract in March, they promised they would release him if they drafted Arkansas running back Darren McFadden. The Raiders kept their word, and now Rhodes is headed back to Indianapolis.

Packing it in?
Koren Robinson, WR
Career Statistics
Rec: 263
Yards: 3,844
TDs: 14
When teams draft at a certain position, questions arise about other players at that spot.

After Green Bay used its first and last choices on wide receivers –- Kansas State's Jordy Nelson with the 36th overall pick in the second round, San Diego State's Brett Swain with the 217th overall pick in the seventh round –- Koren Robinson's future with the Packers immediately became more tenuous.

Like most teams in the league, Green Bay is struggling to find extra roster space; this year, there are no roster exemptions from NFL Europe in which teams can bring more than 80 players to training camp.

With Green Bay needing space, and with the Packers stockpiling wide receivers, Robinson's roster spot could be in jeopardy.

Since he signed with Green Bay in September 2006, Robinson has struggled to play up to the potential that led Seattle to select him with the ninth overall pick in the 2001 draft. Robinson was suspended for the start of last season, and was reinstated in October. From that point on, Robinson caught 21 passes for 241 yards and one touchdown.

If Green Bay opts to sever its relationship with Robinson, it's likely the wide receiver would have options, as he has proven he still can play and contribute. It just doesn't appear as if it is going to be in Green Bay.

Frosty
05-08-2008, 01:37 PM
Derek Anderson 6th Oregon State

Former Oregon State quarterback Matt Moore

Woot! PBJ

L.A. Chieffan
05-08-2008, 01:38 PM
Tyler Thigpen will make the rest of NFL shake and quiver at the mere mention of his name.