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Count Alex's Losses
05-07-2008, 06:28 PM
http://www.military.com/features/0,15240,167090,00.html?ESRC=navy.nl

GRAFENWOHR, Germany -- Legislation that would restrict the sale of certain men's magazines on U.S. military bases around the world would be bad for morale, according to soldiers at Grafenwöhr.

U.S. Rep. Paul Broun, R-Ga., has introduced legislation that would close a loophole in the current law that allows the sale of some sexually explicit material on military bases by lowering the threshold required to deem material "sexually explicit."

A Department of Defense committee that reviews materials sold on bases ruled last year that magazines such as Playboy and Penthouse are not pornographic. But Broun's Military Honor and Decency Act includes language that could make those magazines eligible for the ban.

The prospect of missing out on men's magazines was not welcomed by soldiers at Grafenwöhr.

"We all read 'em," said Pfc. Paul Rubio, 31, of Bakersfield, Calif. "There are times we just read 'em for the technological parts like the new gadgets that come out. They have good stories sometimes too."

Sgt. Simon Brown, 34, of Daytona Beach, Fla., said men's magazines build morale. "It's not all about the pictures, although 80 percent of it is," he said.

Pfc. Greg Smith, 21, of Northboro, Mass., a regular Playboy reader, said soldiers should be allowed to buy nudie magazines at the exchange.

"Playboy is good entertainment while you are on the can. They have jokes and good stories," he said.

Broun, a Marine veteran, told Newsweek recently that the magazines sold in military exchanges are partly responsible for a rise in sexual assaults in the military and other problems.

"Allowing the sale of pornography on military bases has harmed military men and women by: escalating the number of violent, sexual crimes; feeding a base addiction; eroding the family as the primary building block of society; and denigrating the moral standing of our troops both here and abroad," Broun says on his Web site.

The legislation would require the DOD to annually review material that is not currently deemed sexually explicit to determine if it should be prohibited, according to the Web site.

Some soldiers say magazines that could be banned are particularly important downrange.

Brown deployed to Afghanistan in 2002 and 2005 and is preparing to go to Iraq with the 12th Combat Aviation Brigade this summer. When he was in Afghanistan he was one of the first to pick up a new copy of Maxim or FHM when it came out, he said.

"It would suck if they ban it," he said. "It's bad enough we are down there to begin with. Taking that away would be like a knife in the chest. I'm not saying I'm depending on Maxim to keep me alive over there, but it helps."

Publications such as Maxim and FHM are not named by Broun, but lowering the threshold of the sexually explicit definition might mean such magazines would be targeted for a ban.

Some troops in the Pacific region said the proposed legislation would impinge upon their personal freedoms.

"They're making it a point of undermining soldiers to almost make them feel like we're back in elementary school," Pfc. Nickolas Sears said Friday at Camp Red Cloud, South Korea. "We're all adults here, and if it's something we want to do, we should feel free to choose as we please."

Other than on base, there's no place in South Korea to buy magazines like Playboy, he said.

"I believe it's a breach of freedom of speech," said Senior Airman Garrett Deese, 25, of Elk Grove, Calif., who just completed a tour with the 8th Aircraft Maintenance Squadron at Kunsan Air Base, South Korea.

He said he wonders whether such a ban would lead to barring other types of magazines lawmakers chose to challenge. He also questioned whether Broun's link between magazines and sexual assaults within the military would stand close scrutiny.

At Yokota Air Base, Japan, military spouse Roberta Woolley said she understands the need for balance between rules and individual rights, but said the military has tougher standards than the rest of American society.

"It's a good idea," she said of the proposed ban. "I think there's better literature out there.... In the military, we sell cigarettes and alcohol legally. But it's also questionable whether they promote a healthy lifestyle.

"I've seen all these magazines, and they don't make men or women intelligent or beautiful. And even though they're hidden, there is still exposure to children as well. It's the parents' responsibility to give ideas about body awareness to their children. I don't think Mr. Hefner presents a positive image of men or women in his magazine."

A female soldier at Grafenwöhr -- Sgt. Pou McCall, 23, of Riverside, Calif. -- said men's magazines don't bother her a lot, but she'd support a ban.

"What if it was their (soldiers') sisters (in the magazines)? It doesn't take a magazine for sexual harassment to happen but it increases it," she said.

Army and Air Force Exchange service public relations manager Judd Anstey said AAFES sold $231,000 worth of Penthouse, Playboy and Playgirl magazines in Europe last year.

"Sales of these three titles account for 2.7 percent of total European magazine sales ($8.5 million) at AAFES facilities," he said.

The sales accounted for 0.5 percent of worldwide AAFES magazine sales of $46.4 million, he said. Post in this thread, KCJohnny. I dare ya. I double ****ing dare ya!

Rain Man
05-07-2008, 06:38 PM
Isn't that one of the Constitutional freedoms that they're fighting for?

rtmike
05-07-2008, 06:41 PM
Hurt morale...and tissue, vaseline sales.

Hydrae
05-07-2008, 06:42 PM
So with no release of tensions through the use of these magazines we will lower the instances of sexual assault? :spock:

Count Alex's Losses
05-07-2008, 06:43 PM
So with no release of tensions through the use of these magazines we will lower the instances of sexual assault? :spock:

"In related news, the gay percentage in the military is on the rise."

kstater
05-07-2008, 06:44 PM
"In related news, the gay percentage in the military is on the rise."

In related news, GoChiefs has decided to join the military.

Rain Man
05-07-2008, 06:47 PM
If you're old enough to kill a man, you're old enough to look at a naked woman who is rebelling against her parents to fund her cocaine habit.

Mecca
05-07-2008, 06:47 PM
Ok that line about not representing good images of men or women and talking about kids and relating it to taking it away from soldiers is the most retarded thing I've ever read..

"It's acceptable that as your job you may blow a mans face off but sex it is bad no naked boobs for you!"

Some people are so ridiculously uptight.

el borracho
05-07-2008, 06:47 PM
I would be ok with the ban if they would provide hookers for the soldiers. Outside of that scenario, it is a pretty stupid effing idea.

Kerberos
05-07-2008, 06:49 PM
In related news, GoChiefs has decided to join the military.

:clap:

Rain Man
05-07-2008, 06:51 PM
Ok that line about not representing good images of men or women and talking about kids and relating it to taking it away from soldiers is the most retarded thing I've ever read..

"It's acceptable that as your job you may blow a mans face off but sex it is bad no naked boobs for you!"

Some people are so ridiculously uptight.


You don't want the kids exposed to that kind of stuff, or it might distract them from making their roadside bombs.

88TG88
05-07-2008, 06:51 PM
I would be ok with the ban if they would provide hookers for the soldiers. Outside of that scenario, it is a pretty stupid effing idea.

qft

KcMizzou
05-07-2008, 06:51 PM
I would be ok with the ban if they would provide hookers for the soldiers. Outside of that scenario, it is a pretty stupid effing idea.Agreed.

I think it's a bad idea to take anything else away from these guys. God forbid they should have something to distract them from the shitty situation they're stuck in.

Rain Man
05-07-2008, 06:53 PM
In fact, the more I think about it, we should be handing that stuff out to all of the kids over there. If I'm a 14 year-old Iraqi kid, free candy might make me like America, but free porn will make me love America.

Count Alex's Losses
05-07-2008, 06:54 PM
In fact, the more I think about it, we should be handing that stuff out to all of the kids over there. If I'm a 14 year-old Iraqi kid, free candy might make me like America, but free porn will make me love America.

That might infringe on their religious beliefs.

Rain Man
05-07-2008, 06:56 PM
That might infringe on their religious beliefs.

It may not be a bad thing to infringe on their religious beliefs.

Count Alex's Losses
05-07-2008, 06:58 PM
It may not be a bad thing to infringe on their religious beliefs.

Islam is not all bad. There are plenty of Muslims who have no desire to blow up infidels.

Mr. Laz
05-07-2008, 06:58 PM
sex is teh debbil

Rain Man
05-07-2008, 07:08 PM
Islam is not all bad. There are plenty of Muslims who have no desire to blow up infidels.


I'll bet they still wouldn't mind seeing naked blondes, though. Religion will only get you so far.

keg in kc
05-07-2008, 07:09 PM
sex is teh debbiland violence is good!

1adam1238
05-07-2008, 07:47 PM
This is crazy. Even the inmates at the prison I work at gets playboy and penthouse.

Hoover
05-07-2008, 08:03 PM
My friends who have served in Iraq say its full of porn, and not just playboy magazine.

I'm pretty darn conservative but if they want to look at some hot babes while defending my freedoms and fighting for other peoples freedom I'm all for it.

KCHawg
05-07-2008, 08:09 PM
Broun, a Marine veteran, told Newsweek recently that the magazines sold in military exchanges are partly responsible for a rise in sexual assaults in the military and other problems.

"Allowing the sale of pornography on military bases has harmed military men and women by: escalating the number of violent, sexual crimes; feeding a base addiction; eroding the family as the primary building block of society; and denigrating the moral standing of our troops both here and abroad," Broun says on his Web site.



A rise in sexual assaults? I used to be able to buy Hustler and other such titles, but after them being banned there is an increase?STFU:mad:

StcChief
05-07-2008, 08:16 PM
The DSB could be worse. http://www.script-o-rama.com/movie_scripts/l/live-from-baghdad-script-transcript.html



DSB season has officiaIIy begun.


-DSB?
-''DeadIy Sperm Backup.''</pre>

Frazod
05-07-2008, 08:18 PM
Stupid sonofabitch. He must have got his balls shot off during the war.

Adept Havelock
05-07-2008, 08:26 PM
And the prudes of the world once again attempt to force everyone else to live by their standards.

Spectacularly dumb legislation. :shake:

Mecca
05-07-2008, 08:29 PM
Sexual assaults don't increase because of porn, the people who pump that agenda are the overly religious right wingers that think sex is evil and hide that in "family values".

Sexual assaults increase because of a bunch of horny pent up men that can't get a release...

KcMizzou
05-07-2008, 08:32 PM
And the prudes of the world once again attempt to force everyone else to live by their standards.

Spectacularly dumb legislation. :shake:This is more video game related... but he addresses that very issue near the end....

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Adept Havelock
05-07-2008, 08:44 PM
That's a good take on it, KcMizzou. Thanks.

Whatever happened to letting people decide for themselves what they want to read, watch, play, etc.? I don't need anyone to nanny me and tell me what I should or shouldn't. Anyone old enough to enlist and defend their nation is fully capable of making that decision for themselves, no matter what the self-appointed morality police may claim.

mdstu
05-07-2008, 08:45 PM
I can't believe this is still an issue. They have been debating this for at least 15 years. While I was in Germany they actually stopped selling all pornographic material in AAFES. (Around 95/96) But when I came back to the states (97) they had it in the PX's. In Europe I couldn't have cared less, I could go down town and for half the price get the dirtiest, nastiest shit you ever saw.

The reality of it is that AAFES is a non-profit government organization that caters to just as many families and retirees as actual soldiers. It really only affects the people that are to lazy to get it elsewhere.

siberian khatru
05-07-2008, 08:46 PM
That's a good take on it, KcMizzou. Thanks.

Whatever happened to letting people decide for themselves what they want to read, watch, play, etc.? I don't need anyone to nanny me and tell me what I should or shouldn't. Anyone old enough to enlist and defend their nation is fully capable of making that decision for themselves, no matter what the self-appointed morality police may claim.

HERETIC! HERETIC!

http://blog.urbanbohemian.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/body_snatchers.jpg

Adept Havelock
05-07-2008, 08:51 PM
I can't believe this is still an issue.

It's only an issue because a pathetic little Georgia congresscritter still has nightmares because he once saw a vagina. Well, that and whoring for votes from the self-appointed morality police.

Don't like it? Don't buy it. :shrug:

In Europe I couldn't have cared less, I could go down town and for half the price get the dirtiest, nastiest shit you ever saw.


Mommm....where you ever in a German Scheiss Video?

http://b.imagehost.org/0730/ecartman.jpg

HERETIC! HERETIC!


ROFL

Damn straight, and proud of it! PBJ PBJ PBJ

Mecca
05-07-2008, 09:20 PM
This is more video game related... but he addresses that very issue near the end....

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The thing he says about a certain group of people feeling their morals are right and superior so everyone should abide by them has been a serious trend in this country....

Rain Man
05-07-2008, 09:31 PM
This is crazy. Even the inmates at the prison I work at gets playboy and penthouse.

So if a soldier wants to look at porn, he should desert and get arrested.

Adept Havelock
05-07-2008, 10:11 PM
The thing he says about a certain group of people feeling their morals are right and superior so everyone should abide by them has been a serious trend in this country....

An unfortunate relic of our Puritan founders.

KcMizzou
05-07-2008, 10:20 PM
The thing he says about a certain group of people feeling their morals are right and superior so everyone should abide by them has been a serious trend in this country....Yeah, I think that was the part I liked the most.

I also think that's been the case for ages.

Mecca
05-07-2008, 10:22 PM
An unfortunate relic of our Puritan founders.

Our country was founded by people so uptight even the British told them to get the **** out...

keg in kc
05-07-2008, 10:29 PM
The thing he says about a certain group of people feeling their morals are right and superior so everyone should abide by them has been a serious trend in this country....I'd call it less of a trend, and more of a threat. These are people who define "freedom" as "being, thinking and acting in a manner that I condone".

It's always been ironic to me that we used the condemnation of the oppression of the Taliban as a justification for starting the "war on terror" (anybody remember Afghanistan anymore?) while at the same time here at home we have groups, vocal and influential groups, I should add, that promote vocally the same kind of faith-based oppression here.

But it's okay, because they're christian and not muslim.

KCFalcon59
05-07-2008, 10:38 PM
If you're old enough to kill a man, you're old enough to look at a naked woman who is rebelling against her parents to fund her cocaine habit.

ROFLROFL

T-post Tom
05-07-2008, 11:22 PM
This post has earned the Lieutenant Steven Hauk Seal of Approval.

ChiefFan31
05-08-2008, 01:05 AM
If you're old enough to kill a man, you're old enough to look at a naked woman who is rebelling against her parents to fund her cocaine habit.

+ eleventy billion.

Rausch
05-08-2008, 01:06 AM
"Grow a vagina and kill the enemy son! QUICKLY!"

wazu
05-08-2008, 01:13 AM
And one more freedom slips away...

Just another reason we should have elected Ron Paul as our president.

Rausch
05-08-2008, 01:20 AM
Just another reason we should have elected Ron Paul as our president.

I'll write him in before Bob Hillaboma...

crazycoffey
05-08-2008, 11:43 AM
Let's keep this arguement simple;
German army; gets nudies = not all uptight (last several decades)
Brittish Army; gets nudies & has prostitutes in the service for the military = not all uptight.
U.S. Army; gradually increasing levels of censorship & gradually increasing levels of sexually related violence = coincedence?
Talliban; no nudies = thread closed.....

BIG_DADDY
05-08-2008, 12:02 PM
This country is really ****ing up on so many levels it's unreal. We are actually paying big money to have this douchebag introduce this kind of legislation.

Fish
05-08-2008, 12:05 PM
Let's keep this arguement simple;
German army; gets nudies = not all uptight (last several decades)
Brittish Army; gets nudies & has prostitutes in the service for the military = not all uptight.
U.S. Army; gradually increasing levels of censorship & gradually increasing levels of sexually related violence = coincedence?
Talliban; no nudies = thread closed.....

I'm on board with the "Porn will save the USA" plan......

StcChief
05-08-2008, 12:06 PM
Let's keep this arguement simple;
German army; gets nudies = not all uptight (last several decades)
Brittish Army; gets nudies & has prostitutes in the service for the military = not all uptight.
U.S. Army; gradually increasing levels of censorship & gradually increasing levels of sexually related violence = coincedence?
Talliban; no nudies = thread closed.....but what about the Camel humpers:shake:

crazycoffey
05-08-2008, 12:08 PM
Porn is great, but sex is better, lets spend this guy's salary, and budget and roll it into increasing the MWR for the military. a couple Asian spas would do the trick.

crazycoffey
05-08-2008, 12:09 PM
but what about the Camel humpers:shake:

you want to hump a camel or look at carmen electra....

RedNeckRaider
05-08-2008, 12:15 PM
While my son was in Iraq the troops were not allowed to drink booze near beer was as strong as they got. I would send him Stoli in water bottles. These kids run missions risk life and limb and when lucky enough to make back to a FOB are told no son there is no drinking and now turn over your nudie mags :shake:What a crock!

StcChief
05-08-2008, 12:15 PM
you want to hump a camel or look at carmen electra....
I was thinking about the taliban, AlQueda or other camel humpers... since finding the thread from 1-2 years ago is impossible, leave it to your imagination

crazycoffey
05-08-2008, 12:18 PM
I was thinking about the taliban, AlQueda or other camel humpers... since finding the thread from 1-2 years ago is impossible, leave it to your imagination


well in that case I was including them, they hump camels and fully clothe their women - is that what we want america to be like?

chasedude
05-08-2008, 02:22 PM
This is a flat case of censorship. Didn't Larry Flynt take care of this with the Supreme Court ruling for him on the Falwell case?

Adept Havelock
05-08-2008, 03:25 PM
This is a flat case of censorship. Didn't Larry Flynt take care of this with the Supreme Court ruling for him on the Falwell case?

I'm not positive, but I believe that ruling protected parody.