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milkman
05-07-2008, 09:28 PM
Given that this team is on a 2-3 year rebuilding project, shouldn't Draft Planet be one of the sub forum links at the top year round?

There might not be a lot of activity right now, but this would be a place to post and read comments about players during the course of the college season.

Direckshun
05-07-2008, 09:30 PM
Exactly.

cdcox
05-07-2008, 09:31 PM
I'm starting my draft round prediction thread right after labor day.

Dicky McElephant
05-07-2008, 09:33 PM
I'd rather see DraftPlanet up there then the stupid DC forum.

Direckshun
05-07-2008, 09:36 PM
I just don't understand -- DraftPlanet is the only pure football information forum on this site and they always demote it 10 months out of the year.

Buehler445
05-07-2008, 09:40 PM
I'd agree with it. I don't contribute to it much because I am not as informed as some, but like to read it.

milkman
05-07-2008, 09:42 PM
I just don't understand -- DraftPlanet is the only pure football information forum on this site and they always demote it 10 months out of the year.

And you thought you signed up to talk football?

Direckshun
05-07-2008, 09:47 PM
And you thought you signed up to talk football?
I know, what was I thinking.

I'm keeping this thread bumped for a long, long time. There is zero reason to have Draft Planet demoted.

JBucc
05-07-2008, 09:49 PM
I know nobody cares but I would like sports and all the off topic stuff to be in two separate forums. Then the draft talk could just be a regular part of the sports stuff.

morphius
05-07-2008, 10:19 PM
With the cool new labels/buttons it is easier to find the discussions in the main forum.

milkman
05-07-2008, 10:34 PM
With the cool new labels/buttons it is easier to find the discussions in the main forum.

Cool?

Not the adjective I would have used.

milkman
05-07-2008, 10:35 PM
What is the benefit of removing Draft Planet from the top?

Der Flöprer
05-07-2008, 10:35 PM
I agree, bring back Draftplanet.

keg in kc
05-07-2008, 10:36 PM
I'd rather have it up there than DC or the pictures, but at the same time, draft planet's going to be pretty useless until the middle of August, when the college games start.

morphius
05-07-2008, 10:37 PM
What is the benefit of removing Draft Planet from the top?
The top things are annoying, much as stickies, this is a football board and football topics should be in here.

milkman
05-07-2008, 10:43 PM
The top things are annoying, much as stickies, this is a football board and football topics should be in here.

They are?

Who's annoyed?

milkman
05-07-2008, 10:44 PM
Also, if footbal topics should be in here, why even create Draft Planet?

keg in kc
05-07-2008, 10:45 PM
Also, if footbal topics should be in here, why even create Draft Planet?So we don't have to sift through icky football headers to find the latest poop thread.

morphius
05-07-2008, 10:47 PM
Also, if footbal topics should be in here, why even create Draft Planet?
I'd rather not have it at all, I think it makes the main BB even more blah during the off season.

Direckshun
05-07-2008, 10:52 PM
I'd rather not have it at all, I think it makes the main BB even more blah during the off season.
You don't think the Draft is a complex, year-round prospect that could benefit from the concentrated conversation of its own forum?

morphius
05-07-2008, 10:53 PM
You don't think the Draft is a complex, year-round prospect that could benefit from the concentrated conversation of its own forum?
I think the main BB benefits from more football topics, not less.

Direckshun
05-07-2008, 10:55 PM
So again: why have DraftPlanet?

wazu
05-07-2008, 11:05 PM
I don't even understand why "Draft Planet" is a seperate forum. It's football talk, usually heavily about the Chiefs. Why wouldn't those threads just be right here? Are we afraid they will bump the poop and g-spot threads off the front page too quickly?

Tribal Warfare
05-07-2008, 11:13 PM
I'd rather not have it at all, I think it makes the main BB even more blah during the off season.


I personally like it, because the main BB is a general forum that anythingh can be discussed, but the Draft Forum is slower paced, and easier archived for specific related topics of prospects

OnTheWarpath58
05-08-2008, 05:01 AM
I don't even understand why "Draft Planet" is a seperate forum. It's football talk, usually heavily about the Chiefs. Why wouldn't those threads just be right here? Are we afraid they will bump the poop and g-spot threads off the front page too quickly?

Reverse that.

DaFace
05-08-2008, 08:33 AM
For those who enjoy draft planet, give this format a try. I know it's different, but I think you'll like it if you get used to it. Just keep putting draft-related threads in the Lounge. If you ever want to see all the draft threads in one place, just click on the draft icon on the left of a thread or use the filter at the bottom of the Lounge to pick the category. Or, if you go there very frequently, just bookmark this link:

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/forumdisplay.php?s=&f=1&page=1&pp=25&prefixid=NFLDraft&sort=lastpost&order=desc&daysprune=30

The nice thing about keeping it all in one place is that people who wouldn't otherwise participate in discussion (since it's hiding in a different forum) would be able to participate. At the same time, using prefixes allows you to find all draft discussion in one place quickly and easily.

At this point, all morph seems to have done is remove the link from the top sub-forum list, so you we can always put it back. But give this a try. If you hate it, we can consider doing something different in the future.

morphius
05-08-2008, 08:34 AM
So again: why have DraftPlanet?
I can't answer that, but it was in place before I started...

Coogs
05-08-2008, 08:39 AM
What is the benefit of removing Draft Planet from the top?


I'd like to see it brought back as well. The threads like the one that has the top 5 players at each position in next years draft class are nice, and even nicer when you don't have to search for them.

Direckshun
05-08-2008, 08:44 AM
The nice thing about keeping it all in one place is that people who wouldn't otherwise participate in discussion (since it's hiding in a different forum) would be able to participate.
See, I was under the impression that they didn't participate to begin with because they didn't care or weren't interested, not because they had trouble locating Draft Planet.

DaFace
05-08-2008, 08:48 AM
See, I was under the impression that they didn't participate to begin with because they didn't care or weren't interested, not because they had trouble locating Draft Planet.

That may be true, but it's not true for me. I don't follow the draft very closely, so I won't have anything to say about 80% of those types of threads. But, if they were in the Lounge I'd at least see what's going on and occasionally have a comment.

But maybe I'm atypical.

Mr. Laz
05-08-2008, 10:11 AM
What is the benefit of removing Draft Planet from the top?

it was interfering with the super-duper "2008 Chiefs Offseason Moves" sticky.

Ebolapox
05-08-2008, 10:49 AM
I'm all for bringing it back. but, that's just me.

Direckshun
05-08-2008, 11:02 AM
I honestly believe we need to bring it back. I am not, nor have I ever been, a fan of the prefixes (no offense, of course), and I don't like the idea of coaxing a bunch of guys into discussion who previously had no interest in the matter "just because."

DaFace
05-08-2008, 11:09 AM
I honestly believe we need to bring it back. I am not, nor have I ever been, a fan of the prefixes (no offense, of course), and I don't like the idea of coaxing a bunch of guys into discussion who previously had no interest in the matter "just because."

Just to clarify, since there are so many "bring it back" comments in this thread, the forum is still there like it's always been. You can find it under "forums" in the navbar. It's just not listed at the top of the forum like it has been.

Direckshun
05-08-2008, 11:18 AM
Just to clarify, since there are so many "bring it back" comments in this thread, the forum is still there like it's always been. You can find it under "forums" in the navbar. It's just not listed at the top of the forum like it has been.
And again, there's no reason for that.

It doesn't generate that much Draft discussion here in this forum (or at least it hasn't in my entire time here at CP), and it absolutely kills the Draft forum. I mean it absolutely kills it.

DaFace
05-08-2008, 11:21 AM
And again, there's no reason for that.

It doesn't generate that much Draft discussion here in this forum (or at least it hasn't in my entire time here at CP), and it absolutely kills the Draft forum. I mean it absolutely kills it.

I guess I don't follow the logic. If your goal is...

"We want more discussion on draft topics."

Then wouldn't the logical choice be to move all draft discussion to the lounge and just tag them appropriately so that hardcore draft gurus can find them?

--

If your goal is...

"We want higher quality discussion on draft topics."

Then wouldn't the logical choice be to leave it as its own standalone forum so that only the hardcore draft gurus participate?

:shrug:

Direckshun
05-08-2008, 11:23 AM
I guess I don't follow the logic. If your goal is...

"We want more discussion on draft topics."

Then wouldn't the logical choice be to move all draft discussion to the lounge and just tag them appropriately so that hardcore draft gurus can find them?

--

If your goal is...

"We want higher quality discussion on draft topics."

Then wouldn't the logical choice be to leave it as its own standalone forum so that only the hardcore draft gurus participate?

:shrug:
My goal is the latter. Higher quality discusson on draft topics. Quality > quantity.

But when you remove it from the top, it doesn't get less traffic, it gets zero traffic.

I know this because I posted like 10 Draft threads last December and not a single person even saw it until February.

BigChiefFan
05-08-2008, 11:36 AM
I'm here for the Chiefs news and NFL in general. There's a few stories I'll read and post in, but this is a FOOTBALL board. If anything, football shouldn't be treated like the black sheep of the family on the board, but it definitely seems secondary to how it used to be.

DaFace
05-08-2008, 11:42 AM
I'm here for the Chiefs news and NFL in general. There's a few stories I'll read and post in, but this is a FOOTBALL board. If anything, football shouldn't be treated like the black sheep of the family on the board, but it definitely seems secondary to how it used to be.

I think that's kind of my feeling. I'd rather have MORE football discussion in the Lounge than less, personally, and separating out draft discussion goes more toward the latter.

Have you messed with the prefixes much? I'm curious to know if people are finding them useful for finding the types of threads they are interested in or if they're just a weird extra feature.

Direckshun
05-08-2008, 11:43 AM
I think that's kind of my feeling. I'd rather have MORE football discussion in the Lounge than less, personally, and separating out draft discussion goes more toward the latter.

Have you messed with the prefixes much? I'm curious to know if people are finding them useful for finding the types of threads they are interested in or if they're just a weird extra feature.
Well I believe they're just a weird extra feature, but of course I'm just one guy.

acesn8s
05-08-2008, 12:46 PM
I don't even understand why "Draft Planet" is a seperate forum. It's football talk, usually heavily about the Chiefs. Why wouldn't those threads just be right here? Are we afraid they will bump the poop and g-spot threads off the front page too quickly?
I happen to like Draftplanet as it was football info on college players getting ready for the NFL.

Perhaps we should create a PoopPlanet or G-Spotplanet to get rid of the "crap" so that we may our football info more readily available.

blueballs
05-08-2008, 12:51 PM
It's not that difficult to bump a thread with new info
now that my thread making abilities have been revoked
I find it a nice option that brings up the old discussions

blueballs
05-08-2008, 12:52 PM
kinda like this thread
actually

ChiefsCountry
05-08-2008, 12:56 PM
I agree bring back the DraftPlanet link at tht top. Its nice to have it seperate, mainly bc there are lots of stuff in that sub-forum but that doesnt really need to be in the main forum IMO.

Sfeihc
05-08-2008, 12:58 PM
I really enjoy the Draft Planet forum. The lounge really can bring out the general duchebaggery in folks. In the Draft Planet we may disagree on things but there is never the level of hostility as there is in normal Lounge threads.

Tribal Warfare
05-08-2008, 01:59 PM
Personally, I'd rather eliminate the D.C. Forum from the top, hell that was the main catalyst for stevieray to leave the ChiefsPlanet in general, and keep the Draft forum in it's place

Direckshun
05-08-2008, 02:09 PM
It's becoming increasingly obvious that this is a move that just irritates all of the DP regulars and excites virtually no one.

OnTheWarpath58
05-08-2008, 03:33 PM
It's becoming increasingly obvious that this is a move that just irritates all of the DP regulars and excites virtually no one.

It irritates me mainly because DP is the only place here that you're guaranteed to get nothing but football talk.

You can post a football related thread without it getting knocked to the second page in 30 minutes because some retard starts a thread with every new thought in his/her brain.

While I enjoy the dumbassery, this is a FOOTBALL forum first and foremost.

I come here to get my football fix FIRST, then find out who's leaving forever, which Planeteers slept together, who the Royals lost to the night before, and who Hootie is annoying today.

I know it's the offseason, but there are EIGHT football related threads on the front page. There are TWELVE on the second page because....well, you know why.

Maybe instead of Draft Planet, we need a forum that is football talk ONLY.

Then the die hards have a place to go without searching through pages of poop threads, etc.

Der Flöprer
05-08-2008, 03:35 PM
It irritates me mainly because DP is the only place here that you're guaranteed to get nothing but football talk.

You can post a football related thread without it getting knocked to the second page in 30 minutes because some retard starts a thread with every new thought in his/her brain.

While I enjoy the dumbassery, this is a FOOTBALL forum first and foremost.

I come here to get my football fix FIRST, then find out who's leaving forever, which Planeteers slept together, who the Royals lost to the night before, and who Hootie is annoying today.

I know it's the offseason, but there are EIGHT football related threads on the front page. There are TWELVE on the second page because....well, you know why.

Maybe instead of Draft Planet, we need a forum that is football talk ONLY.

Then the die hards have a place to go without searching through pages of poop threads, etc.



I 2nd this motion.

ChiefsCountry
05-08-2008, 03:36 PM
It irritates me mainly because DP is the only place here that you're guaranteed to get nothing but football talk.

You can post a football related thread without it getting knocked to the second page in 30 minutes because some retard starts a thread with every new thought in his/her brain.

While I enjoy the dumbassery, this is a FOOTBALL forum first and foremost.

I come here to get my football fix FIRST, then find out who's leaving forever, which Planeteers slept together, who the Royals lost to the night before, and who Hootie is annoying today.

I know it's the offseason, but there are EIGHT football related threads on the front page. There are TWELVE on the second page because....well, you know why.

Maybe instead of Draft Planet, we need a forum that is football talk ONLY.

Then the die hards have a place to go without searching through pages of poop threads, etc.

I agree

DaFace
05-08-2008, 03:43 PM
I agree

I still don't quite get why it would be that much different to click on the draft icon instead. It gives you basically the same effect. But it appears that I'm in the minority. :huh:

ChiefsCountry
05-08-2008, 03:48 PM
I still don't quite get why it would be that much different to click on the draft icon instead. It gives you basically the same effect. But it appears that I'm in the minority. :huh:

BC in the main lounge you get to much dumb assery in football threads. In the draft planet is where we had lots of hard core football talk.

Der Flöprer
05-08-2008, 03:50 PM
BC in the main lounge you get to much dumb assery in football threads. In the draft planet is where we had lots of hard core football talk.

Word. That was fastly becoming my favorite place to be on this site.

OnTheWarpath58
05-08-2008, 03:51 PM
I still don't quite get why it would be that much different to click on the draft icon instead. It gives you basically the same effect. But it appears that I'm in the minority. :huh:

Not trying to be a jerkoff about it, but then why bother having a separate Media, Picture or DC forum?

It'd be just as easy for them to click THEIR respective icon.

I guess I'm just wondering why if the tinfoil hats can get their own forum separated from the poop threads and the general dumbassery of the Lounge, why can't the die hard, year-round football guys/gals get a forum that is limited to football talk only?

Then the Lounge can stay what it has become over the past couple of years - a catch all.

DaFace
05-08-2008, 03:53 PM
Not trying to be a jerkoff about it, but then why bother having a separate Media, Picture or DC forum?

It'd be just as easy for them to click THEIR respective icon.

I guess I'm just wondering why if the tinfoil hats can get their own forum separated from the poop threads and the general dumbassery of the Lounge, why can't the die hard, year-round football guys/gals get a forum that is limited to football talk only?

Then the Lounge can stay what it has become over the past couple of years - a catch all.

Well, frankly, I'd rather they all be in one place personally. Baby steps.

There is a difference though, for DC at least. There are people who DON'T want to see DC threads. For the draft forum, the issue is that people DO want to see it, but without all the other crap. If we had a way to ignore threads by prefix, essentially creating your own customized view of the forum, there wouldn't be a need for any subforums at all.

Der Flöprer
05-08-2008, 03:53 PM
Not trying to be a jerkoff about it, but then why bother having a separate Media, Picture or DC forum?

It'd be just as easy for them to click THEIR respective icon.

I guess I'm just wondering why if the tinfoil hats can get their own forum separated from the poop threads and the general dumbassery of the Lounge, why can't the die hard, year-round football guys/gals get a forum that is limited to football talk only?

Then the Lounge can stay what it has become over the past couple of years - a catch all.

LMAO That is AWESOME!!! I agree wholeheartedly with the rest of it too.

Der Flöprer
05-08-2008, 03:55 PM
Well, frankly, I'd rather they all be in one place personally. Baby steps.

Which makes sense I suppose if you guys have decided that this is how it's going to be, period. The confusing part for me is why start with the 1 dedicated football area on a football board? Why not start with the consumer electronics section, or the wannabe porn section, or........wait for it.............the tinfoil hat section? LMAO So awesome.

DaFace
05-08-2008, 03:56 PM
Which makes sense I suppose if you guys have decided that this is how it's going to be, period. The confusing part for me is why start with the 1 dedicated football area on a football board? Why not start with the consumer electronics section, or the wannabe porn section, or........wait for it.............the tinfoil hat section? LMAO So awesome.

Post volume. And again, I'll reiterate that the draft forum has ALWAYS been taken down after the draft. That's nothing new.

Der Flöprer
05-08-2008, 03:57 PM
Post volume.

YOU GUYS AND YOUR DAMN TECHNOLOGICAL SPEAK!!! :cuss:



That makes sense too.

OnTheWarpath58
05-08-2008, 03:59 PM
Well, frankly, I'd rather they all be in one place personally. Baby steps.

There is a difference though, for DC at least. There are people who DON'T want to see DC threads. For the draft forum, the issue is that people DO want to see it, but without all the other crap. If we had a way to ignore threads by prefix, essentially creating your own customized view of the forum, there wouldn't be a need for any subforums at all.

True.

But until that happy day arrives, I don't see the issue in re-establishing DraftPlanet and making it a football talk only forum - not necessarily draft talk only, but all football topics.

DaFace
05-08-2008, 04:00 PM
For the record, I'm not completely opposed to keeping the draft forum around during the right season at least. I'm just arguing the reasons why I personally think it would be better suited in the Lounge.

Tribal Warfare
05-08-2008, 04:05 PM
For the record, I'm not completely opposed to keeping the draft forum around during the right season at least. I'm just arguing the reasons why I personally think it would be better suited in the Lounge.



My counterpoint would be if we wanted to talk about a college prospect, and yet it get's pushed down for general talk issues then it is necessary for the Draft Forum's noticeable availability to be assured like the stated DC, Picture, and Media forums. It should be available in the Lounge section during the College Football season too.

smittysbar
05-08-2008, 04:12 PM
I like it in the main forum. I think more people get to see the info.

Tribal Warfare
05-08-2008, 04:14 PM
I like it in the main forum. I think more people get to see the info.


They can see the info, just by clicking the draftplanet link too, without sifting through most of the general discussion junk.

Direckshun
05-08-2008, 05:56 PM
It hurts this page in absolutely no way when DraftPlanet is listed at the top like it is during Draft season. But you bury it, and nobody ever posts there when that happens. That is a fact.

In addition to that, Draft talk will not continue during the regular season in the Lounge.

Essentially, I'm arguing that this is something you've decided to do because you believe quantity > quality.

DraftPlanet was (*is*, when it's active, which it can't be right now) the best forum on ChiefsPlanet, but you've decided prefixes were more important.

Mr. Laz
05-08-2008, 06:07 PM
if we want more football threads in the lounge we should get rid of the stickied football thread as well.

how many football threads as it taken away from the lounge?

Direckshun
05-08-2008, 06:13 PM
I don't understand the hardon for prefixes, either. They're not that bad, I wasn't thrilled that they were made mandatory, but now that they're being used as the excuse to kill off the Draft forum it's extremely disappointing.

the Talking Can
05-08-2008, 06:24 PM
is the .05 of an inch that that draft planet link takes up really so terrible that it has to be removed?

and no one cares about prefixes....seriously...

the Talking Can
05-08-2008, 06:28 PM
and there were already great threads about next years draft....i think it is time to change procedures, at least until after next years draft..

rad
05-08-2008, 06:47 PM
I think DraftPlanet should be FTOPlanet from May-Sept. and then DraftPlanet Sept.-April.

And keep it up top. What's it hurt?

DaFace
05-08-2008, 06:56 PM
Based on the feedback, I'm personally not completely opposed to leaving Draft Planet up for now, but it's ultimately morph's decision. I'm still not sold on the idea of having FIVE subforums up there, though, when it comes time to put the Casino back up, but I suppose that could be put to a poll when the time comes.

ChiefsCountry
05-08-2008, 07:09 PM
Based on the feedback, I'm personally not completely opposed to leaving Draft Planet up for now, but it's ultimately morph's decision. I'm still not sold on the idea of having FIVE subforums up there, though, when it comes time to put the Casino back up, but I suppose that could be put to a poll when the time comes.

Draft sub forum is a thousand times better than the cess pool that is the DC and its better than the other 3 IMO as well.

OnTheWarpath58
05-08-2008, 07:54 PM
I think DraftPlanet should be FTOPlanet from May-Sept. and then DraftPlanet Sept.-April.

And keep it up top. What's it hurt?

I was thinking the same thing about the dates and name changes...

Direckshun
05-09-2008, 01:43 PM
Bump.

You've already effectively killed 95% of the traffic going into the Draft forum by doing this, while increasing the amount of Draft talk in the Lounge by 0%.

Please put it back.

Sfeihc
05-09-2008, 02:16 PM
Please stop the persecution of the draftniks. Politics, porn(pictures) and techno all get their own forums but not the draft gurus on a football based board.

CupidStunt
05-09-2008, 02:26 PM
It's pretty clear that there should be a draft forum.

If you have to sacrifice another sub so that there's only four, can the D.C. garbage.

FAX
05-09-2008, 02:33 PM
I like the idea, Mr. milkman. I don't have the time to keep up with college football to the extent that many other people can. Ergo and thusly, when it comes to draft time, I'm unfamiliar with many of the prospects. The way I see it, this would be a good way to keep informed in the context of the Chiefs' needs.

I fully support your initiative and am prepared to sic a substantial group of demented, one-eyed, nut-kicking, Korean lesbians on anyone who does not agree.

FAX

eazyb81
05-09-2008, 02:33 PM
I concur with everyone else, bring the Draft forum back. I find myself avoiding this place more often when it's away because the main thread is usually a bunch of BS, non-football crap.

A lot of knowledgeable opinions are posted in the Draft forum and it's great to have a smaller section for guys that really follow prospects.

FAX
05-09-2008, 02:38 PM
I concur with everyone else, bring the Draft forum back. I find myself avoiding this place more often when it's away because the main thread is usually a bunch of BS, non-football crap.

A lot of knowledgeable opinions are posted in the Draft forum and it's great to have a smaller section for guys that really follow prospects.

Although it is true that football-related discussion ebbs and flows on the Planet, Mr. eazyb81, you have to realize that there's only so many ways you can say "God, we suck."

FAX

DaFace
05-09-2008, 03:01 PM
Please stop the persecution of the draftniks. Politics, porn(pictures) and techno all get their own forums but not the draft gurus on a football based board.

I'm leaving the decision up to morph as I mentioned before, so I don't have a lot to say at this point. The difference as I see it, though, is that people want DC, Media stuff, and pictures OUT of the Lounge so they don't have to see it. As far as I know, there's no one that would argue that draft topics should NOT be in the Lounge.

I guess my point is that it IS a football-based board, so I'd prefer football discussion go in the main forum rather than hidden away on a subforum.

But as I said, I'm clearly in the minority here.

FAX
05-09-2008, 03:12 PM
I'm leaving the decision up to morph as I mentioned before, so I don't have a lot to say at this point. The difference as I see it, though, is that people want DC, Media stuff, and pictures OUT of the Lounge so they don't have to see it. As far as I know, there's no one that would argue that draft topics should NOT be in the Lounge.

I guess my point is that it IS a football-based board, so I'd prefer football discussion go in the main forum rather than hidden away on a subforum.

But as I said, I'm clearly in the minority here.

I guess I don't understand why we can't have both, Mr. DaFace. I mean, people are always going to post football/draft related topics in the main forum, correct? This would be a centralized repository of draft-related information that is more easily accessible for people who are time-challenged and too busy finger-banging secretaries and throttling small kittens to keep up with college football.

And, of course, as an extra, additional benefit, it also might keep Mr. Mecca out of the Lounge.

FAX

SBK
05-09-2008, 03:16 PM
The draft forum is the only one that's all about football. Best forum here.

OnTheWarpath58
05-09-2008, 03:51 PM
I'm leaving the decision up to morph as I mentioned before, so I don't have a lot to say at this point. The difference as I see it, though, is that people want DC, Media stuff, and pictures OUT of the Lounge so they don't have to see it. As far as I know, there's no one that would argue that draft topics should NOT be in the Lounge.

I guess my point is that it IS a football-based board, so I'd prefer football discussion go in the main forum rather than hidden away on a subforum.

But as I said, I'm clearly in the minority here.

It USED to be a football based board, IMO.

Now the Lounge is more of a general discussion/grab ass forum.

And as Herm might say, "That's OK."

I'd argue that football only talk SHOULD be kept out of the Lounge, because the constant poop threads, I'm leaving forever threads, whining about rep threads, etc, push the football talk to the back pages anyway.

Der Flöprer
05-09-2008, 03:54 PM
It hurts this page in absolutely no way when DraftPlanet is listed at the top like it is during Draft season. But you bury it, and nobody ever posts there when that happens. That is a fact.

In addition to that, Draft talk will not continue during the regular season in the Lounge.

Essentially, I'm arguing that this is something you've decided to do because you believe quantity > quality.

DraftPlanet was (*is*, when it's active, which it can't be right now) the best forum on ChiefsPlanet, but you've decided prefixes were more important.

To be fair to DaFace, this forum ALWAYS goes down after the draft. He didn't implement some new policy.

FAX
05-09-2008, 04:00 PM
To be fair to DaFace, this forum ALWAYS goes down after the draft. He didn't implement some new policy.

Why should we start being fair to Mr. DaFace? What makes him special?

FAX

Direckshun
05-09-2008, 04:03 PM
I'm leaving the decision up to morph as I mentioned before, so I don't have a lot to say at this point. The difference as I see it, though, is that people want DC, Media stuff, and pictures OUT of the Lounge so they don't have to see it. As far as I know, there's no one that would argue that draft topics should NOT be in the Lounge.

I guess my point is that it IS a football-based board, so I'd prefer football discussion go in the main forum rather than hidden away on a subforum.

But as I said, I'm clearly in the minority here.
That's not a poor argument in theory, it's just that it never holds up in practice.

It's never generated any extra Draft conversation in the Lounge, and it's sucked the life out of the Draft forum.

Virtually every football board has a Draft forum, and that's why.

Der Flöprer
05-09-2008, 04:05 PM
Why should we start being fair to Mr. DaFace? What makes him special?

FAX

Because he has provided me a means of watching Chiefs games in my home without going to a sports bar Mr. Fax. That kind of dedication leaves me bound to protect him in every way. And if that means I have to track someone down and whoop a man's ass over teh intraweb, then that's the way it gots to be. I will NOT have Mr. DaFace' good reputation tarnished as long as I'm able to watch the Chiefs from my couch every Sunday. And I don't think that's unreasonable.

Der Flöprer
05-09-2008, 04:12 PM
Because he has provided me a means of watching Chiefs games in my home without going to a sports bar Mr. Fax. That kind of dedication leaves me bound to protect him in every way. And if that means I have to track someone down and whoop a man's ass over teh intraweb, then that's the way it gots to be. I will NOT have Mr. DaFace' good reputation tarnished as long as I'm able to watch the Chiefs from my couch every Sunday. And I don't think that's unreasonable.

I didn't mean to scare anyone. Sorry about that.

DaFace
05-09-2008, 04:21 PM
It USED to be a football based board, IMO.

Now the Lounge is more of a general discussion/grab ass forum.

And as Herm might say, "That's OK."

I'd argue that football only talk SHOULD be kept out of the Lounge, because the constant poop threads, I'm leaving forever threads, whining about rep threads, etc, push the football talk to the back pages anyway.

Yeah, my hope was that the icons would help people to more easily locate the football threads through all the other crap, but it doesn't seem like people are as comfortable with that process as I'd hoped. I could probably be convinced that having some sort of "hardcore football talk" forum would work, even though I don't like it personally. I doubt we'd ever want to intentionally start discouraging football threads in the Lounge though.

Because he has provided me a means of watching Chiefs games in my home without going to a sports bar Mr. Fax. That kind of dedication leaves me bound to protect him in every way. And if that means I have to track someone down and whoop a man's ass over teh intraweb, then that's the way it gots to be. I will NOT have Mr. DaFace' good reputation tarnished as long as I'm able to watch the Chiefs from my couch every Sunday. And I don't think that's unreasonable.

ROFL

Tribal Warfare
05-09-2008, 04:34 PM
I could probably be convinced that having some sort of "hardcore football talk" forum would work, even though I don't like it personally. I doubt we'd ever want to intentionally start discouraging football threads in the Lounge though.





I'm not advocating more forums for the sake of more, I'm lobbying for DraftPlanet because of it's usefulness. If one adds too many forums it will kill this place.

OnTheWarpath58
05-09-2008, 04:36 PM
Yeah, my hope was that the icons would help people to more easily locate the football threads through all the other crap, but it doesn't seem like people are as comfortable with that process as I'd hoped. I could probably be convinced that having some sort of "hardcore football talk" forum would work, even though I don't like it personally. I doubt we'd ever want to intentionally start discouraging football threads in the Lounge though.

Absolutely not. I agree.

I have no problem with folks starting football threads in the Lounge if they choose.

I (and apparently others) would like to have a place where there's no grabass, no Royals, no hijacking, etc.

If anything, I would think it would boost "traffic", because if I were a new member who wanted to talk football, the antics in the Lounge would probably run me off. This would allow folks the opportunity to talk football only, much like some folks talk DC only.

This was by far the biggest year for DP in the 3+ years I've been here. I think that the talk would continue with a dedicated FTO forum.

JMO.

Der Flöprer
05-09-2008, 04:38 PM
Absolutely not. I agree.

I have no problem with folks starting football threads in the Lounge if they choose.

I (and apparently others) would like to have a place where there's no grabass, no Royals, no hijacking, etc.

If anything, I would think it would boost "traffic", because if I were a new member who wanted to talk football, the antics in the Lounge would probably run me off. This would allow folks the opportunity to talk football only, much like some folks talk DC only.

This was by far the biggest year for DP in the 3+ years I've been here. I think that the talk would continue with a dedicated FTO forum.

JMO.


The bolded part is why this is a foolproof plan. It should probably be renamed to something like Chiefs talk ONLY. Most forums have that, and it can't be a bad thing. JMO.

Tribal Warfare
05-09-2008, 04:41 PM
. It should probably be renamed to something like Chiefs talk ONLY.



I DO NOT like this at all, and the reason I post here because of the general discussion with football. If one adds too many forums, this place will fall into the depth of shit that caused the KC Star exodus that was strictly football and nothing else.

DaFace
05-09-2008, 04:46 PM
I DO NOT like this at all, and the reason I post here because of the general discussion with football. If one adds too many forums, this place will fall into the depth of shit that caused the KC Star exodus that was strictly football and nothing else.

That's my main concern.

Der Flöprer
05-09-2008, 04:51 PM
I guess when I'm in a football only mood I'll be perusing the prefixes. :)

Tribal Warfare
05-09-2008, 04:53 PM
That's my main concern.



The reason why I like the Draft forum is due to it's usefulness to review prior prospects discussed and further the conversation with that specific subject without worrying that it will be pushed down in an hour, before the other draftniks on the BB can view it. It's truly a great utility forum IMO.

DaFace
05-09-2008, 04:56 PM
I guess when I'm in a football only mood I'll be perusing the prefixes. :)

I'm hoping that, either through FfVb or through some addon for vBulletin, people will someday be able to set "views" for themselves that would only include the topics they're interested in. If that was the case, this would be a much more clear-cut debate.

OnTheWarpath58
05-09-2008, 04:59 PM
I DO NOT like this at all, and the reason I post here because of the general discussion with football. If one adds too many forums, this place will fall into the depth of shit that caused the KC Star exodus that was strictly football and nothing else.

That's my main concern.

I don't think anyone here is advocating ADDING a new FTO forum.

DraftPlanet/Football Talk Only. One forum. We already have it, it's just been put in the attic.

No one is saying that the place should be strictly football. But right now, the place is just about anything but football. And again, that's fine.

No one is trying to run off the general discussion. They are trying to create an area where die-hards don't have to wade through the grab-ass to talk a little football.

I'm not sure why there's an issue over this. Some are worried about having TOO MANY forums, yet when I look around this place, which is supposedly based on football, I see NINE forums, and not ONE of them is dedicated to football.

Tribal Warfare
05-09-2008, 05:01 PM
But right now, the place is just about anything but football. And again, that's fine.





It's the offseason, it's expected to be like this

Woodrow Call
05-09-2008, 05:03 PM
I've always thought turning Draft Planet into a Draft/College Football forum would work out well and generate alot of traffic with recruiting news, game threads, etc and be a good way to collect alot of info on future prospects.

That would leave NFL and Chiefs talk in the Lounge but still have a football only forum for the rest of us.

OnTheWarpath58
05-09-2008, 05:03 PM
The reason why I like the Draft forum is due to it's usefulness to review prior prospects discussed and further the conversation with that specific subject without worrying that it will be pushed down in an hour, before the other draftniks on the BB can view it. It's truly a great utility forum IMO.

And I feel it would work the exact same way as a FTO forum, including draft talk.

There's a lot of football related threads that get swallowed up by the grabass in the Lounge. A lot of good topics get bumped to the 2nd/3rd/later pages within 30 minutes - sometimes less.

I guess I'm just confused as to why anyone would be opposed to a football related board having a football only talk forum - especially when every other subject under the sun is being catered to around here.

OnTheWarpath58
05-09-2008, 05:04 PM
It's the offseason, it's expected to be like this

It's like this in the regular season as well.

FAX
05-09-2008, 05:05 PM
Because he has provided me a means of watching Chiefs games in my home without going to a sports bar Mr. Fax. That kind of dedication leaves me bound to protect him in every way. And if that means I have to track someone down and whoop a man's ass over teh intraweb, then that's the way it gots to be. I will NOT have Mr. DaFace' good reputation tarnished as long as I'm able to watch the Chiefs from my couch every Sunday. And I don't think that's unreasonable.

You're right, Mr. Mr Flopnuts. He is special.

But, perhaps I have this whole Draft Forum thing wrong. I thought it would be a place to archive and discuss information related to college football and how those players might fit into the Chiefs' future plans. Incorrect? Certainly, the main forum is the place for general Chiefs conversation.

As for all the other thread topics. Speaking for myself (a lifelong, long-suffering, and lively, long donged Chiefs fan), one of the things that attracted me to ChiefsPlanet in the first place was the diverse and eclectic conversation. It seems strange to me that people would want to restrict the entire board to football-centric topics only. Frankly, the Chiefs don't sponsor or warrant that much discussion.

FAX

Tribal Warfare
05-09-2008, 05:07 PM
It's like this in the regular season as well.



Not really, It has it's general topics but the football topics are fairly active if it's of interest.

OnTheWarpath58
05-09-2008, 05:09 PM
You're right, Mr. Mr Flopnuts. He is special.

But, perhaps I have this whole Draft Forum thing wrong. I thought it would be a place to archive and discuss information related to college football and how those players might fit into the Chiefs' future plans. Incorrect? Certainly, the main forum is the place for general Chiefs conversation.

As for all the other thread topics. Speaking for myself (a lifelong, long-suffering, and lively, long donged Chiefs fan), one of the things that attracted me to ChiefsPlanet in the first place was the diverse and eclectic conversation. It seems strange to me that people would want to restrict the entire board to football-centric topics only. Frankly, the Chiefs don't sponsor or warrant that much discussion.

FAX

As I pointed out earlier, I enjoy the diversity of the Lounge as well.

But I'm here for football talk first, grabass second. That's just me.

But by the looks of the responses in this thread, there are a LOT of people who would enjoy having a PLACE for football-only talk. By no means is anyone asking for the entire board.

No one is trying to run off the Lounge, or even compete with it.

We'd just like the forum we already have to be made visible again along with DC, Media and Pictures, and made a football talk only forum.

Tribal Warfare
05-09-2008, 05:15 PM
A LOT of people who would enjoy having a PLACE for football-only talk.
.



I'm a less is more guy, and that's why I like Chiefs Planet. If others want just a KC Chiefs football forum separate from the Lounge then I disagree, and say there are of plenty of other sites like that and are dead because of the lack of news to discuss during this time.

FAX
05-09-2008, 05:16 PM
As I pointed out earlier, I enjoy the diversity of the Lounge as well.

But I'm here for football talk first, grabass second. That's just me.

But by the looks of the responses in this thread, there are a LOT of people who would enjoy having a PLACE for football-only talk. By no means is anyone asking for the entire board.

No one is trying to run off the Lounge, or even compete with it.

We'd just like the forum we already have to be made visible again along with DC, Media and Pictures, and made a football talk only forum.

Well, that makes sense, I suppose, Mr. OnTheWarpath58. The problem to look out for is that creating too many sub-forums will reduce interaction and would be very bad for the community as a whole, in my opinion.

If the purpose of the sub-forum were specific i.e., draft/college prospects only, I think it would work, though. If not, we could always convert it to the Guiness Labia Length Contests Forum and publicly blame Mr. DaFace for the entire fiasco.

FAX

Der Flöprer
05-09-2008, 05:18 PM
You're right, Mr. Mr Flopnuts. He is special.

But, perhaps I have this whole Draft Forum thing wrong. I thought it would be a place to archive and discuss information related to college football and how those players might fit into the Chiefs' future plans. Incorrect? Certainly, the main forum is the place for general Chiefs conversation.

As for all the other thread topics. Speaking for myself (a lifelong, long-suffering, and lively, long donged Chiefs fan), one of the things that attracted me to ChiefsPlanet in the first place was the diverse and eclectic conversation. It seems strange to me that people would want to restrict the entire board to football-centric topics only. Frankly, the Chiefs don't sponsor or warrant that much discussion.

FAX

I agree. I guess it would be nice if somehow Chiefs talk could be funneled to one specific place so people who are time challenged could find Chiefs news and go about their day. Which is why the prefixes were implemented to begin with. Really, I'm complaining about nothing.

FAX
05-09-2008, 05:22 PM
I agree. I guess it would be nice if somehow Chiefs talk could be funneled to one specific place so people who are time challenged could find Chiefs news and go about their day. Which is why the prefixes were implemented to begin with. Really, I'm complaining about nothing.

I don't really understand these wacky prefixes yet, but an archive of college player information and how those players might play a role in the Chiefs' plans is interesting to me. Again, mainly because I don't have the time to keep abreast of college football. When draft time comes around, I'm always at a loss for weeks trying to catch up on who's who and why they might help us.

Maybe we should do this ... start a cooking sub-forum for all the BBQ/Brisket/Baked Bean threads. That would make quite a bit of room on the main forum for more football talk and help some of the posters stay on their diets at the same time.

FAX

DaFace
05-09-2008, 05:28 PM
I don't really understand these wacky prefixes yet, but an archive of college player information and how those players might play a role in the Chiefs' plans is interesting to me. Again, mainly because I don't have the time to keep abreast of college football. When draft time comes around, I'm always at a loss for weeks trying to catch up on who's who and why they might help us.

Maybe we should do this ... start a cooking sub-forum for all the BBQ/Brisket/Baked Bean threads. That would make quite a bit of room on the main forum for more football talk and help some of the posters stay on their diets at the same time.

FAX

Click here:

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/forumdisplay.php?s=&f=1&page=1&pp=25&prefixid=NFLDraft&sort=lastpost&order=desc&daysprune=30

That's all of the draft-related topics that have been posted in the Lounge in the last month. There's a filter toward the bottom-left of the Lounge that you can use to sort things, or you can click on the icon you are interested in to the left of a thread.

OnTheWarpath58
05-09-2008, 05:29 PM
Well, that makes sense, I suppose, Mr. OnTheWarpath58. The problem to look out for is that creating too many sub-forums will reduce interaction and would be very bad for the community as a whole, in my opinion.

If the purpose of the sub-forum were specific i.e., draft/college prospects only, I think it would work, though. If not, we could always convert it to the Guiness Labia Length Contests Forum and publicly blame Mr. DaFace for the entire fiasco.

FAX


We're not asking to create a new subforum.

We're asking to make the one we have visable like DC, Pictures and Media.

Again, people are SO WORRIED about having too many forums, yet NONE of the NINE we have are worth a shit for football talk.

Direckshun
05-09-2008, 05:30 PM
I'm with FAX -- I think a football talk only forum kills a lot of the interaction here.

What I'm asking for is more specific: a continuation of a special forum for Draftniks and college football prospects. That's all. It's specific, it has historically attracted a very specific kind of poster here on ChiefsPlanet, and it's fared horrically when it's removed from the top.

FAX
05-09-2008, 05:31 PM
Click here:

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/forumdisplay.php?s=&f=1&page=1&pp=25&prefixid=NFLDraft&sort=lastpost&order=desc&daysprune=30

That's all of the draft-related topics that have been posted in the Lounge in the last month. There's a filter toward the bottom-left of the Lounge that you can use to sort things, or you can click on the icon you are interested in to the left of a thread.

Okay .... that's cool. Thanks, Mr. DaFace.

It appears you've made a lot of improvements in my absence. Does Mr. Bob Dole know about this?

FAX

OnTheWarpath58
05-09-2008, 05:56 PM
I'm with FAX -- I think a football talk only forum kills a lot of the interaction here.

What I'm asking for is more specific: a continuation of a special forum for Draftniks and college football prospects. That's all. It's specific, it has historically attracted a very specific kind of poster here on ChiefsPlanet, and it's fared horrically when it's removed from the top.

How would it kill any interaction in the Lounge?

It's already 95% grabass anyway.

You REALLY think that having a FTO forum would take ANYTHING away from the Lounge?

milkman
05-09-2008, 10:17 PM
How would it kill any interaction in the Lounge?

It's already 95% grabass anyway.

You REALLY think that having a FTO forum would take ANYTHING away from the Lounge?

I get what you're saying, but in other forums, I only go to the FTO forum.

I just would like to see the link to draft planet remain at the top of the lounge.

milkman
05-10-2008, 10:10 AM
Yeah, my hope was that the icons would help people to more easily locate the football threads through all the other crap, but it doesn't seem like people are as comfortable with that process as I'd hoped. I could probably be convinced that having some sort of "hardcore football talk" forum would work, even though I don't like it personally. I doubt we'd ever want to intentionally start discouraging football threads in the Lounge though.



ROFL

Diplomacy is not one of my better qualities, DaFace (I bet you would never have guessed tha in a million years, huh?), so I don't want you to take this the wrong way, but this whole icon idea sucks ass.

DaFace
05-10-2008, 11:09 AM
Diplomacy is not one of my better qualities, DaFace (I bet you would never have guessed tha in a million years, huh?), so I don't want you to take this the wrong way, but this whole icon idea sucks ass.

Eh, to each his own. I've had quite a few people say that they like it, but I know not everyone will get much use out of them. They have a lot of potential if I can get things worked out right.

The "Football Only" link I put in the menu as an experiment is kind of the start of what I'd like to have possible. The big idea is that we have always had some people (like OnTheWarpath) who would like to have quick access to a Football-only style of forum. Others like ChiefsPlanet BECAUSE of the variety of topics in one place. If people get familiar with them, they have the potential to keep both sides happy. We'll see.

Direckshun
05-10-2008, 11:25 AM
Just put DraftPlanet back at the top.

I don't know why this is such a difficult thing to do.

KCFalcon59
05-10-2008, 12:32 PM
I would also prefer to have the DraftPlanet subforum brought back. It is a good read and makes more sense to have there than the DC forum or the pics forum. However, I do like having the mediacenter subforum there.

FAX
05-10-2008, 04:12 PM
Just put DraftPlanet back at the top.

I don't know why this is such a difficult thing to do.

We must follow protocol, Mr. Direckshun. First of all, we need to have an initial poll to determine if the basic concept is sound. Second of all, the poll thread must degenerate into an enormous, complex, and utterly senseless pissing contest and several Planeteers must become extremely disturbed and angry. Third of all, a follow-up poll must be posted to correct mistakes found in the initial poll and brought to light during the aforementioned complex pissing contest. Fourth of all, somebody has to get banned. Fifth of all, a series of secret, behind-the-scenes discussions must be held by the mods and admins. Sixth of all, the entire idea must be generally forgotten by all but a few as new threads featuring poop, butts, tittaws, and Mr. GoChiefs' sexual preferences are posted.

FAX

the Talking Can
05-10-2008, 06:33 PM
Eh, to each his own. I've had quite a few people say that they like it, but I know not everyone will get much use out of them. They have a lot of potential if I can get things worked out right.

The "Football Only" link I put in the menu as an experiment is kind of the start of what I'd like to have possible. The big idea is that we have always had some people (like OnTheWarpath) who would like to have quick access to a Football-only style of forum. Others like ChiefsPlanet BECAUSE of the variety of topics in one place. If people get familiar with them, they have the potential to keep both sides happy. We'll see.

well, could we bring back the draft planet while you're conducting your own personal experiment with the planet?


pretty please?

Tribal Warfare
05-10-2008, 06:48 PM
well, could we bring back the draft planet while you're conducting your own personal experiment with the planet?






I second this motion

FAX
05-10-2008, 06:52 PM
I call this motion to the floor and spin it like a hubcap.

FAX

Direckshun
05-10-2008, 09:18 PM
Me too.

blueballs
05-10-2008, 11:23 PM
If you can put people on ignore
why can't you put thread topic icons on ignore
I'd probably put prayer requests on ignore

DaFace
05-10-2008, 11:46 PM
well, could we bring back the draft planet while you're conducting your own personal experiment with the planet?


pretty please?

My experiments have nothing to do with this thread.

Direckshun
05-11-2008, 09:40 AM
Please bring it back.

the Talking Can
05-11-2008, 10:32 AM
My experiments have nothing to do with this thread.

you win




"Finally his eyesight grows weak (http://www.mala.bc.ca/~johnstoi/kafka/beforethelaw.htm), and he does not know whether things are really darker around him or whether his eyes are merely deceiving him. But he recognizes now in the darkness an illumination which breaks inextinguishably out of the gateway to the law. Now he no longer has much time to live. Before his death he gathers in his head all his experiences of the entire time up into one question which he has not yet put to the gatekeeper. He waves to him, since he can no longer lift up his stiffening body. The gatekeeper has to bend way down to him, for the great difference has changed things to the disadvantage of the man. “What do you still want to know, then?” asks the gatekeeper. “You are insatiable.” “Everyone strives after the law,” says the man, “so how is that in these many years no one except me has requested entry?” The gatekeeper sees that the man is already dying and, in order to reach his diminishing sense of hearing, he shouts at him, “Here no one else can gain entry, since this entrance was assigned only to you. I’m going now to close it.”

Tribal Warfare
05-11-2008, 01:14 PM
As many have reiterated, what's so difficult in keeping the Draft Forum link in the Lounge? You've heard my reasoning for it's purpose, and ways it would benefit the lounge.

Direckshun
05-12-2008, 10:19 AM
Please bring it back.

http://l.yimg.com/www.flickr.com/images/spaceball.gif

Bowser
05-12-2008, 10:23 AM
What's the problem? It's still in the pull down menu under forums.

Ebolapox
05-12-2008, 10:39 AM
yes, bowser, you're correct. however, traffic DIES when there isn't a simple link at the top of the screen.

Sam Hall
05-12-2008, 10:44 AM
I'd like people to discuss the '09 first round pick with me. It's the next big event in Chiefs fandom.

Skip Towne
05-12-2008, 11:03 AM
I'd like people to discuss the '09 first round pick with me. It's the next big event in Chiefs fandom.

Ya think it will be the No.1 overall?

Brock
05-12-2008, 11:08 AM
Why on earth would you want a football discussion forum here? This is a forum for discussing how we're "improving" the forum.

Bowser
05-12-2008, 11:09 AM
yes, bowser, you're correct. however, traffic DIES when there isn't a simple link at the top of the screen.

We must be the laziest posters on the intrawebs. :D

BigChiefFan
05-12-2008, 11:13 AM
We must be the laziest posters on the intrawebs. :D
Consider me one of the lazy ones because I have the main forum set up as my favorite. I don't bother going to the main page just to get to where I was already going in the first place. There needs to be a link, because the main forum is like TMZ anymore.

Sam Hall
05-12-2008, 11:16 AM
Ya think it will be the No.1 overall?

Yeah, that's what I want people to assume for my new poll over there.

milkman
05-12-2008, 08:44 PM
We must be the laziest posters on the intrawebs. :D

It's an "Out of sight, out of mind" thing.

With a link at the top of the lounge, people see when new posts have been made, and out of curiosity. or simply looking for something different to discuss, they click on the link and check it out.

Without that link, people don't even think about it.

Tribal Warfare
05-12-2008, 09:02 PM
It's an "Out of sight, out of mind" thing.

With a link at the top of the lounge, people see when new posts have been made, and out of curiosity. or simply looking for something different to discuss, they click on the link and check it out.

Without that link, people don't even think about it.



This is the whole issue

Direckshun
05-13-2008, 12:58 PM
Please bring it back.

OnTheWarpath58
05-13-2008, 01:24 PM
It's an "Out of sight, out of mind" thing.

With a link at the top of the lounge, people see when new posts have been made, and out of curiosity. or simply looking for something different to discuss, they click on the link and check it out.

Without that link, people don't even think about it.

Yep.

You posted a great thread topic over 48 hours ago over there and it has a whopping 4 posts.

BigChiefFan
05-13-2008, 01:26 PM
Agreed, bring it back. I never even knew the posts were there, because it is definitely an out of sight out of mind thing-you nailed it, Milk.

OnTheWarpath58
05-13-2008, 01:27 PM
Please bring it back.

I admire your persistence, but for whatever reason, it ain't happening.

If I had the ability/knowledge, I'd start my own. God forbid that football talk is the focus of a supposed football related community.

Can't let football get in the way of a coon-hunting thread, or LeBron telling his mom to STFU.

:shake:

DaFace
05-13-2008, 01:34 PM
Yep.

You posted a great thread topic over 48 hours ago over there and it has a whopping 4 posts.

Not to rehash an old debate, but if you're wanting more replies, just start it in the Lounge. Listopencil's thread about a 2009 mock draft (http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=184620) yesterday got more replies than there were posts in Draft Planet in the entire week leading up to the switch.

OnTheWarpath58
05-13-2008, 01:53 PM
Not to rehash an old debate, but if you're wanting more replies, just start it in the Lounge. Listopencil's thread about a 2009 mock draft (http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=184620) yesterday got more replies than there were posts in Draft Planet in the entire week leading up to the switch.

And where is it now?

The last post was less than 3 hours ago, yet it's already been bumped to the 2nd page.

Again, out of sight...

Jeff's made it clear he's not making the change. So be it.

Direckshun
05-13-2008, 02:14 PM
Not to rehash an old debate, but if you're wanting more replies, just start it in the Lounge. Listopencil's thread about a 2009 mock draft (http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=184620) yesterday got more replies than there were posts in Draft Planet in the entire week leading up to the switch.
Yes yes, let's examine those posts, too...

http://espn.go.com/media/nfl/2006/0109/photo/a_edwards_195.jpg

Stay in school, Timmy!

I'm starting to think that, around the NFL, the Chiefs lack cred when it comes to this rebuild thing. Herm needs to call a press conference to straighten this sh*t out.

"Hey, now."

Hey at least the broncos still suck!

http://www.tiffanytrott.com/images/potm/potm_10.jpg

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And, in the first round of the 2008 Orphan's Draft, the Denver Broncos select Little Mustafa Ali Mustafa!

This guy is an idiot. Chiefs won't even be to 10 unfortunately.

You wanna make a wager on that????

Croyle has failed already, in not winning a single game yet.

But he's from Da Gaytors!!! He's just got to be the next Sexy Rexy Grossman.

I could go on, DaFace. I could go on.

Bowser
05-13-2008, 02:24 PM
The Family Guy clip is quality.

Direckshun
05-13-2008, 02:25 PM
Yeah it really helps me decipher whether Tebow is NFL-ready.

Tribal Warfare
05-13-2008, 02:26 PM
Not to rehash an old debate, but if you're wanting more replies, just start it in the Lounge. Listopencil's thread about a 2009 mock draft (http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=184620) yesterday got more replies than there were posts in Draft Planet in the entire week leading up to the switch.



which goes back to the main theme of this thread, why is it so difficult to provide the Draft Planet link in the Lounge?

DaFace
05-13-2008, 02:27 PM
which goes back to the main theme of this thread, why is it so difficult to provide the Draft Planet link in the Lounge?

For every day DraftPlanet is up there, an angel loses its wings.

Bowser
05-13-2008, 02:27 PM
Yeah it really helps me decipher whether Tebow is NFL-ready.

Lighten up, man. Besides, we all know Tebow isn't NFL ready. :D

Tribal Warfare
05-13-2008, 02:29 PM
For every day DraftPlanet is up there, an angel loses its wings.



*sigh*




Okay Clarence, really why is it so difficult

Direckshun
05-13-2008, 03:11 PM
He'll argue because quantity > quality, so it doesn't matter if a thread has 30 jackoff responses that shine no light on the issue as long as it has 30 half-hearted responses that can shine a little light on the issue, it's preferable to having a thread that has 10 serious responses that can shine a lot of light on the issue.

Edit: Also, because the DraftPlanet obviously can't sustain any consistent traffic during the season, as evidenced by them never trying.

OnTheWarpath58
05-13-2008, 03:18 PM
He'll argue because quantity > quality, so it doesn't matter if a thread has 30 jackoff responses that shine no light on the issue as long as it has 30 half-hearted responses that can shine a little light on the issue, it's preferable to having a thread that has 10 serious responses that can shine a lot of light on the issue.

Edit: Also, because the DraftPlanet obviously can't sustain any consistent traffic during the season, as evidenced by them never trying.

You should change your tagline to "Jesus Christ hates DraftPlanet."

FAX
05-13-2008, 03:46 PM
I object to the description of my posts on that thread as "jackoff responses".

I go to the Pictures Sub-Forum for that.

FAX

the Talking Can
05-13-2008, 03:50 PM
Not to rehash an old debate, but if you're wanting more replies, just start it in the Lounge. Listopencil's thread about a 2009 mock draft (http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=184620) yesterday got more replies than there were posts in Draft Planet in the entire week leading up to the switch.

people have told you what they want, over and over again....day after day....


what no one can figure out is why we're beholden to your whim on this matter?

DaFace
05-13-2008, 04:01 PM
people have told you what they want, over and over again....day after day....


what no one can figure out is why we're beholden to your whim on this matter?

And apparently no one can comprehend that my whim has nothing to do with this whatsoever. :shake:

Ebolapox
05-13-2008, 04:03 PM
And apparently no one can comprehend that my whim has nothing to do with this whatsoever. :shake:


soooooooo.... you're gonna humor us and give us a link at the top of the page?!?

:spock:

BigChiefFan
05-13-2008, 04:04 PM
Just change the name to trash planet. We don't need any football discussions.

the Talking Can
05-13-2008, 04:05 PM
And apparently no one can comprehend that my whim has nothing to do with this whatsoever. :shake:

then how about telling us what great harm is keeping it from happening?

DaFace
05-13-2008, 04:17 PM
then how about telling us what great harm is keeping it from happening?

For the record, I'm not completely opposed to keeping the draft forum around during the right season at least. I'm just arguing the reasons why I personally think it would be better suited in the Lounge.

Based on the feedback, I'm personally not completely opposed to leaving Draft Planet up for now, but it's ultimately morph's decision. I'm still not sold on the idea of having FIVE subforums up there, though, when it comes time to put the Casino back up, but I suppose that could be put to a poll when the time comes.

I'm leaving the decision up to morph as I mentioned before, so I don't have a lot to say at this point. The difference as I see it, though, is that people want DC, Media stuff, and pictures OUT of the Lounge so they don't have to see it. As far as I know, there's no one that would argue that draft topics should NOT be in the Lounge.

I guess my point is that it IS a football-based board, so I'd prefer football discussion go in the main forum rather than hidden away on a subforum.

But as I said, I'm clearly in the minority here.

If the forum is really that important to you, then USE IT and convince everyone that there is enough traffic in there to justify keeping it at the top. Historically, draft talk drops off this time of the year, which is why it's always been removed. If you all can prove otherwise, maybe it would be enough to change protocol.

FAX
05-13-2008, 04:18 PM
then how about telling us what great harm is keeping it from happening?

It's a secret, Mr. the Talking Can.

We were going to call it the Manhattan Project, but that was taken. So we're calling it the Dolly Parton Project because adding more sub-forums to the main page is like stuffing 60 pounds of tittaws in a 40 pound bra.

FAX

BigChiefFan
05-13-2008, 04:21 PM
If the forum is really that important to you, then USE IT and convince everyone that there is enough traffic in there to justify keeping it at the top. Historically, draft talk drops off this time of the year, which is why it's always been removed. If you all can prove otherwise, maybe it would be enough to change protocol.
Da Face, You're missing the point. If it was at the top of the page it would get MORE traffic, when it's not at the top of the page-nobody bothers. The same could be said for DC-pull it from the main page and the numbers will go down. The posters just want it at the top of the page-it's doesn't necessarily have to be called the draft planet, either.

OnTheWarpath58
05-13-2008, 04:22 PM
If the forum is really that important to you, then USE IT and convince everyone that there is enough traffic in there to justify keeping it at the top. Historically, draft talk drops off this time of the year, which is why it's always been removed. If you all can prove otherwise, maybe it would be enough to change protocol.

There's the rub.

True, historically, the traffic dies off this time of year.

But is that because of a lack of interest, or because it gets bumped off the top at the same time every year?

You're asking that we use it to convince the powers that be that it's worth keeping, yet we're all saying that people won't/don't use it unless it's at the top and visable.

OnTheWarpath58
05-13-2008, 04:22 PM
Da Face, You're missing the point. If it was at the top of the page it would get MORE traffic, when it's not at the top of the page-nobody bothers. The same could be said for DC-pull it from the main page and the numbers will go down. The posters just want it at the top of the page-it's doesn't necessarily have to be called the draft planet, either.

Beat me to it, and much clearer.

FAX
05-13-2008, 04:27 PM
I would gladly trade the DC link for the Draft Planet link.

Would that be possible, Mr. DaFace?

FAX

Ebolapox
05-13-2008, 04:29 PM
how bout' we combine 'media' with 'pictures' (which are a form of media) to make room for draftplanet.

DaFace
05-13-2008, 04:31 PM
There's the rub.

True, historically, the traffic dies off this time of year.

But is that because of a lack of interest, or because it gets bumped off the top at the same time every year?

You're asking that we use it to convince the powers that be that it's worth keeping, yet we're all saying that people won't/don't use it unless it's at the top and visable.

All I'm saying is that the top 10 posters in this thread have made a combined total of 25 posts in there in the past week. I can understand the claim that the average, everyday user might not stop by as often without it at the top. But when the biggest proponents of the forum only post there 2.5 times a day, it's not very convincing.

And with that, I officially retire from this thread. There's no use rehashing the same old arguments when it's obvious no one's going to budge.

OnTheWarpath58
05-13-2008, 04:31 PM
how bout' we combine 'media' with 'pictures' (which are a form of media) to make room for draftplanet.

If it were about making room, we'd just scrap the tickets forum.

FAX
05-13-2008, 04:33 PM
How about we set off a sh*t bomb in DC, merge "media" and "pictures", and start a new sub-forum for our dyslexic cat lover friends called, "Yssup Tenalp"?

FAX

Tribal Warfare
05-13-2008, 04:43 PM
. But when the biggest proponents of the forum only post there 2.5 times a day, it's not very convincing.




This is due to not being able to see new topics being discussed without the link to view them. For example if someone posted something new on another subforum which is displayed like Media/pictures, one want's to see what's being discussed. This is due to chiefsplanet's front page directly links it to the lounge which said subforum links can be viewed.

BigChiefFan
05-13-2008, 04:47 PM
All I'm saying is that the top 10 posters in this thread have made a combined total of 25 posts in there in the past week. I can understand the claim that the average, everyday user might not stop by as often without it at the top. But when the biggest proponents of the forum only post there 2.5 times a day, it's not very convincing.

And with that, I officially retire from this thread. There's no use rehashing the same old arguments when it's obvious no one's going to budge.
Again, I think many just forget about it because it isn't at the top of the page, myself included. If it was at the top of the page, I would post in it, like previously, but since it isn't, I didn't even know about it, until this thread. Without the link it's doomed to fail.

Tribal Warfare
05-13-2008, 04:59 PM
If we pick up traffic in the draft forum, then will you put the link in the lounge?

Direckshun
05-13-2008, 05:00 PM
All I'm saying is that the top 10 posters in this thread have made a combined total of 25 posts in there in the past week. I can understand the claim that the average, everyday user might not stop by as often without it at the top. But when the biggest proponents of the forum only post there 2.5 times a day, it's not very convincing.
I was avoiding posting there because I knew I'd get it thrown in my face if it got good traffic.

"See, it hasn't died at all, everybody's fine with it being knocked down! What's the complaint"

Direckshun
05-13-2008, 05:01 PM
If we pick up traffic in the draft forum, then will you put the link in the lounge?
I'm all for this, I've got numerous topics I've been looking to discuss.

Valiant
05-13-2008, 05:08 PM
Yeah demote DC and put Draftplanet back up there..

FAX
05-13-2008, 05:42 PM
Yeah demote DC and put Draftplanet back up there..

Personally, I think that's a great solution, Mr. Valiant. The DC wonks won't mind using the dropdown selector thing (nothing can seem to keep them out of there) and the football peeps certainly won't miss seeing the latest "Obama Stole A Fridge!!!" thread prominently displayed on the front page like a big, hairy mole on an otherwise finely formed tittaw.

FAX

Sfeihc
05-13-2008, 06:19 PM
And with that, I officially retire from this thread. There's no use rehashing the same old arguments when it's obvious no one's going to budge.

I'll be back when the Draft Forum is back up at the top of the page. Until then I'll go to other sites that really want to focus on talking football. Herm has made it clear that this team will be rebuilt through the draft. Makes a lot of sense to bury the draft forum, NOT. No use in going round and round with a power trippin' MOD. With that I officially retire from this thread.

Buehler445
05-13-2008, 08:07 PM
Da Face, You're missing the point. If it was at the top of the page it would get MORE traffic, when it's not at the top of the page-nobody bothers. The same could be said for DC-pull it from the main page and the numbers will go down. The posters just want it at the top of the page-it's doesn't necessarily have to be called the draft planet, either.

No offense BigChiefFan, but I'm pretty sure you missed the point. DaFace quoted himself multiple times saying that it was Morph's decision. Accordingly, convincing him that it needs to be brought onto the front page is rather pointless because Morph is the one to pull the trigger. Essentially you're barking up the wrong tree. Just because DaFace is willing to talk to you guys about it does not necessarily mean he has the ability to change it.

I'm a neutral observer, but that is I interpretted DaFace's post. I want you guys to start posting in DraftPlanet again. I check it everyday and respond when I have something(ish) to add. I'd be interested in discussions in there.

Again, I'm not taking sides or throwing anybody under the bus, I just wanna read some decent discussion. I either read your discussions or get nothing at all because I'm too busy to do the kind of research you do.

Tribal Warfare
05-13-2008, 08:12 PM
http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/forumdisplay.php?f=29


BTW, I added 3 new topics on the Draft Forum. If they want traffic to make it more favorable to put it in the Lounge then let's do it

Tribal Warfare
05-14-2008, 03:00 PM
http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/forumdisplay.php?f=29




Draft Planet has some new posts

milkman
05-14-2008, 06:03 PM
I believe that there have some good discussion points posted in threads in the draft planet, points that those who don't follow college football closely would have questions to raise, if they thought about draft planet, or had a link to remind them it's there and still in use.

Direckshun
05-19-2008, 12:01 AM
I can't do it. I can't ****ing post there.

I feel like I'm posting in a void. There's no energy there.

PLEASE LINK IT AT THE TOP.

PLEASE.

rad
05-19-2008, 07:20 AM
I think you should start a poll.

Just post it in the lounge, so people see it. :D

j/k..seriously though, I'd vote for it.

Tribal Warfare
08-23-2008, 09:15 PM
College football is starting soon, so the draft forum needs to be in the Lounge

alanm
08-23-2008, 09:22 PM
The top 4 picks better be RT, RG, C, and QB. Not necessarily in that order. :(

kstater
08-23-2008, 09:23 PM
The top 4 picks better be BPA, BPA, BPA, BPA. Not necessarily in that order. :(

FYP

Tribal Warfare
08-23-2008, 09:23 PM
The top 4 picks better be RT, RG, C, and QB. Not necessarily in that order. :(

Defensive End and MLB

Tribal Warfare
08-23-2008, 09:23 PM
FYP

of course of course BPA

Rausch
08-23-2008, 09:27 PM
Defensive End and MLB

QB and MLB.

Greatest areas of weakness.

We have a career 3rd stringer and a white Mick Vick without the talent behind Croyle.

I'm not going to say safety because we draft at least one every year. EVERY ****ING YEAR.

I'd say why we draft one every year but that's also obvious...

Tribal Warfare
08-23-2008, 09:33 PM
QB and MLB.

.



Can't tell with the QB if he doesn't have a line

Sam Hall
08-23-2008, 09:35 PM
Can't tell with the QB if he doesn't have a line

Croyle looks like a little kid out there.