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Direckshun
05-20-2008, 02:30 PM
Not that great of an article (http://oak.scout.com/a.z?s=66&p=2&c=755996), but it's the offseason.

Cliff Notes: More Draft Banter
By Pat Clifton
Warpaint Illustrated Columnist
Posted May 20, 2008

In a new weekly series, Warpaint Illustrated Columnist Pat Clifton takes a look around the internet for inaccuracies from the National Media about the Kansas City Chiefs. This week he takes on the bloggers at Fox Sports.com, The Sporting News and Pro Football Talk.

In recent blogs (in which I have lambasted Chiefs management and called for their heads on sticks outside Arrowhead Stadium) other Chiefs fans have accused me of over-reacting. One Chiefs fan commented that “13 [draft] picks this year and [next year's draft] should give [the Chiefs] a chance to compete for the AFC West title in 2010." There was also talk of "getting ready for a championship run," and one guy even said, "I don't mind being a .500 team as long as we beat the few teams we need to (you know, division rivals)."

Chiefs fans are pathetic in this manner. They are OK with rebuilding, and then two or three years later making a run at winning the division. They are OK with finishing .500 as long as they beat the stupid Raiders. Frankly, they are OK with mediocrity. Quite simply, any sports fan content with mediocrity, for any reason, is a loser. Sports isn't about competing for the division, beating your division rivals, or making a run at a championship. Sports is about winning the championship. If that doesn't happen, the season was a failure, but fans of the Chiefs often seem to overlook the biggest, most important part of sports.

-JC Scheffres, FOX sports

I will attempt to channel the sentiments of every member of Chiefs Nation through my keyboard in response to Scheffres. First of all, his rant about how the goal in sports should be winning championships is true, but isn’t that what the Chiefs are trying to do? Rome wasn’t built in a day, and the Patriots weren’t built in one offseason. They had had a string of bad and mediocre years leading up to their first championship in 2002, while the St. Louis Rams had three straight losing seasons before winning Super Bowl XXXIV.

If Chiefs fans were content with mediocrity they wouldn’t be behind this youth movement, and they’d still be happy with signing aging free agents to patch up holes instead of drafting long-term solutions. If Chiefs fans were content with mediocrity, Kansas City television stations wouldn’t have to buy up seats to prevent blackouts at Arrowhead Stadium.

My favorite part of Scheffres’ rant is how sports aren’t about beating division rivals or making runs at a championship, but rather winning a championship. Last time I checked, you have to both beat division rivals and make a run at a championship before you can actually win one.

The Chiefs had a great draft, but a healthy Johnson would make more of an impact than any of those rookies. If Chiefs coaches are smart, they won't ask Johnson to carry the ball 416 times like they did in '06. That's too much for any back. In eight games last season, Johnson gained just 559 yards as opponents stacked the line of scrimmage with blatant disrespect for the Chiefs' passing game. If the Chiefs can get half-decent play at quarterback, Johnson could have another huge year.

-Clifton Brown, Sporting News

Brown was right when he wrote that the Chiefs had a great draft, and that a healthy Larry Johnson will have a big impact this year, but the degree of Johnson’s impact will have a lot to do with the great draft. The two are not mutually exclusive. Without the drafting of Branden Albert, Barry Richardson, and Brad Cottam, the impact of Johnson’s health wouldn’t be so large.

You can go ahead and pencil in Albert as the opening day starter at left tackle and consider him a huge upgrade over the left tackle-by-committee shuffle the Chiefs used last year. Just with the addition of Albert next to Waters on the left side alone, Johnson will already have larger holes to run through.

Sixth-round pick Barry Richardson will be competing for the starting right tackle spot with veteran Damion McIntosh, and is considered a road-grader of a run blocker. If he doesn’t win the right tackle position outright, expect him to definitely be in the rotation. Brad Cottam was drafted as the replacement for Jason Dunn, and his huge frame will help in the run game.

Brown was right again when he predicted the success of KC’s offense will be reliant on quality quarterback play, but that too will be dependent upon the success of the new faces along the front line.

With the Chiefs using zero of their 12 draft picks on quarterbacks, many presumed that Brodie Croyle would continue as the starter, at least for 2008. Enter Tyler Thigpen, a seventh-round pick of the Vikings in 2007 whom coach Brad Childress thought he could slip through waivers and sign to the practice squad before the Chiefs pounced, could challenge Croyle. Not next year, but right now. Adam Schefter of NFL Network reports that the Chiefs believe that Thigpen could topple Croyle for the starting job in 2008.

-Mike Florio, Profootballtalk.com

Both Florio and Schefter are wrong. Brodie Croyle will have every opportunity to be Kansas City’s franchise quarterback of the future. If the offensive line can get it together, Croyle may have a breakout season. He has elite arm strength, and has shown good pocket presence by standing tall when he knows he’s going to get drilled.

One thing that seems to slip a lot of people’s minds is that the Chiefs have plenty of weapons on the offensive side of the ball. When Larry Johnson is healthy and has holes to run through, he is a top-three running back in the NFL. Dwayne Bowe almost racked up 1,000 receiving yards in his rookie campaign, even with a porous offensive line protecting his quarterbacks, and Tony Gonzalez is the greatest tight end of all time.

The glaring weakness on this offense is up front, and the creation of depth and competition at that spot by this year’s draft will undoubtedly force improvements. Because it was so bad last year, the offensive line can’t help but get better, so expect to see Croyle improve likewise. If Croyle doesn’t improve, Thigpen might get a shot later on in the season, but the job is Croyle’s to lose.

Ari Chi3fs
05-20-2008, 02:34 PM
Are they going to add an additional $5 Frazod Sangina fee to peruse their forums now also?

Rooster
05-20-2008, 02:38 PM
Oh no angry bloggers!!!.... Stooges

Simply Red
05-20-2008, 02:47 PM
Don't care.

Spott
05-20-2008, 02:50 PM
A lot of things define what a loser is, but apathy towards your football isn't one of them.

B_Ambuehl
05-20-2008, 02:54 PM
I didn't read it all that closely but what whomever said about KC fans being OK with rebuilding is full of it. By midseason 3/4 of this board will be calling for Herm and Carls head due to the losses.

The stuff about the offensive line is BS hype. The only definite upgrade will be at right tackle. McIntosh did a pretty good job at LT last year and Albert will be lucky if he allows less pressures there than McIntosh did last season. Barry Richardson wasn't even dominant in college why does everyone expect him to come ot the NFL and be a road grader? Brad Cottam hasn't proven he's even in the same area code as Jason Dunn when it comes to run blocking.

chiefforlife
05-20-2008, 03:07 PM
Good Article, GREAT SITE!;)

scott free
05-20-2008, 03:12 PM
I kinda like the idea of a "Reporter at Large"...going around 'taking on' disbelieving infidel bigmouths.

But he & seemingly everyone else lately, is discounting Svitek at RT...at that position, i could definitely see him beating out McIntosh & especially a 6th round rook in Richardson.

OnTheWarpath58
05-20-2008, 03:14 PM
I kinda like the idea of a "Reporter at Large"...going around 'taking on' disbelieving infidel bigmouths.

But he & seemingly everyone else lately, is discounting Svitek at RT...at that position, i could definitely see him beating out McIntosh & especially a 6th round rook in Richardson.


Svitek hasn't proven he could beat out a broken down Turley and a god-awful Chris Terry.

As it stands right now, I'd hope/think that either Herb Taylor or Barry Richardson win the job.

dj56dt58
05-20-2008, 03:16 PM
all i got was...

(LJ) will have a bigger [impact] than (the rookies) []

Brock
05-20-2008, 03:17 PM
Svitek is a zero.

CrazyPhuD
05-20-2008, 03:21 PM
Warpaint Illustrated Columnist Pat Clifton takes a look around the internet for inaccuracies from the National Media.


ROFL:LOL: Sorry couldn't get past this bit....OH the irony....pot this is kettle....

pr_capone
05-20-2008, 03:22 PM
I kinda like the idea of a "Reporter at Large"...going around 'taking on' disbelieving infidel bigmouths.

But he & seemingly everyone else lately, is discounting Svitek at RT...at that position, i could definitely see him beating out McIntosh & especially a 6th round rook in Richardson.

At this point, if Svitek were to fall down and drive a 9 inch spike through his right eye, I would not be at all saddened.

Friggin waste of a roster spot.

B_Ambuehl
05-20-2008, 03:26 PM
Svitek is one of those guys that can't play but like a lot of backup lineman he could end up having a 10 year NFL career. He's got a good story behind him and nice aggressiveness....gets in lots of fights in training camp and such.

scott free
05-20-2008, 03:29 PM
Svitek hasn't proven he could beat out a broken down Turley and a god-awful Chris Terry.

As it stands right now, I'd hope/think that either Herb Taylor or Barry Richardson win the job.

IMO the play at RT improved during Sviteks stint...of course, it wasnt too hard to see improvement over Bad & Worse.

I just think he's in the mix, with Taylor being another potentially solid candidate.

OnTheWarpath58
05-20-2008, 03:31 PM
IMO the play at RT improved during Sviteks stint...of course, it wasnt too hard to see improvement over Bad & Worse.

I just think he's in the mix, with Taylor being another potentially solid candidate.

JMO, but if he's in the mix, then we're ****ed.

The RT position has been in shambles as long as he's been here, yet he's not done anything to take that spot.

The only thing he's good for is a fight or two in TC. And that's not worth a roster spot.

scott free
05-20-2008, 03:39 PM
The RT position has been in shambles as long as he's been here, yet he's not done anything to take that spot.


Thats a fact.

I've always kinda gotten attached to certain longshot fringe players, maybe he's as bad as everyone thinks...but so far he's still here, i'm not proclaiming greatness...but ya never know, some guys just dont establish themselves early on.

BigRock
05-20-2008, 04:29 PM
Warpaint Illustrated Columnist Pat Clifton takes a look around the internet for inaccuracies

He won't have to look very far! Hahahahaha. Burn.

cdcox
05-20-2008, 07:08 PM
I didn't read it all that closely but what whomever said about KC fans being OK with rebuilding is full of it. By midseason 3/4 of this board will be calling for Herm and Carls head due to the losses.



I guess the concept of being in favor of rebuilding but having someone other than Herm and Carl do it is beyond comprehension of some people.

Douche Baggins
05-20-2008, 09:33 PM
The stuff about the offensive line is BS hype. The only definite upgrade will be at right tackle. McIntosh did a pretty good job at LT last year and Albert will be lucky if he allows less pressures there than McIntosh did last season.

Albert is a much better run blocker than McIntosh, especially on the move.

Thanks for the thread Direckshun.

SNR
05-20-2008, 09:40 PM
Did Warpaint have a meeting? Did they decide that they, too, needed a whiney bitch Rufus Dawes on staff?

Phobia
05-20-2008, 11:44 PM
Did Warpaint have a meeting? Did they decide that they, too, needed a whiney bitch Rufus Dawes on staff?

It had that vibe for me as well.

Mr. Flopnuts
05-21-2008, 12:05 AM
JMO, but if he's in the mix, then we're ****ed.

The RT position has been in shambles as long as he's been here, yet he's not done anything to take that spot.

The only thing he's good for is a fight or two in TC. And that's not worth a roster spot.

Yeah. If he couldn't seize the day by now, he's not gonna. If he's competing for a starting job we can start targeting Oher and others early on.

Rausch
05-21-2008, 02:07 AM
In a new weekly series, Warpaint Illustrated Columnist Pat Clifton takes a look around the internet for inaccuracies from the National Media about the Kansas City Chiefs.

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milkman
05-21-2008, 06:37 AM
JMO, but if he's in the mix, then we're ****ed.

The RT position has been in shambles as long as he's been here, yet he's not done anything to take that spot.

The only thing he's good for is a fight or two in TC. And that's not worth a roster spot.

And if McIntosh is the RT or RG, then I hope that Gailey's playbook has a lot of running plays designed to go left, cause McIntosh will get his ass handed to him by the stronger, more physical players he'll be asked to block.

He does nothing to stabilize the right side.

Douche Baggins
05-21-2008, 06:38 AM
And if McIntosh is the RT or RG, then I hope that Gailey's playbook has a lot of running plays designed to go left, cause McIntosh will get his ass handed to him by the stronger, more physical players he'll be asked to block.

He does nothing to stabilize the right side.

You truly believe Mac is as bad a pass blocker on the right side as Terry/Turley? Because they were the pits.

I don't doubt he's not a very good run blocker, but if he can lock down the pass blocking against Hali-types on the right side, it's a compromise I'm willing to make. We don't have a ton of options.

milkman
05-21-2008, 06:41 AM
You truly believe Mac is as bad a pass blocker on the right side as Terry/Turley? Because they were the pits.

I don't think he'll be quite as bad in pass protect, but he won't be all that much of an upgrade either.

And as a run blocker, he'll make you miss Terry.

McIntosh is a big man, and should be a more physical, stronger blocker, but he isn't.

The other concern is that he's a glass vagina.

Has he ever played a full season injury free?

Douche Baggins
05-21-2008, 06:44 AM
I don't think he'll be quite as bad in pass protect, but he won't be all that much of an upgrade either.

And as a run blocker, he'll make you miss Terry.

McIntosh is a big man, and should be a more physical, stronger blocker, but he isn't.

The other concern is that he's a glass vagina.

Has he ever played a full season injury free?

Good point. That's why I hated the rumored move to RG, because he'd get his ass kicked, and probably hurt, bashing heads with defensive tackles.

King_Chief_Fan
05-21-2008, 07:28 AM
He won't have to look very far! Hahahahaha. Burn.

He will have to look no further than WPI itself. Nick "The Erroneous One" Athan should give him tons of material

Douche Baggins
05-21-2008, 07:30 AM
He will have to look no further than WPI itself. Nick "The Erroneous One" Athan should give him tons of material

Nick has been extremely accurate this offseason. The only thing we whiffed on was the thing with Karl Dorrell.

Skip Towne
05-21-2008, 07:30 AM
He will have to look no further than WPI itself. Nick "The Erroneous One" Athan should give him tons of material

Amen

Brock
05-21-2008, 08:25 AM
Nick and WPI and everybody who writes for it suck bad. Bad.

Douche Baggins
05-21-2008, 08:31 AM
Nick and WPI and everybody who writes for it suck bad. Bad.

Are you insinuating something?

Dylan
05-21-2008, 12:04 PM
I hate to do this ---

Can someone please tell me about War Illustrated? I'm curious to know why this person would write an article and mislead its readers.

Pat Clifton columnist for War Illustrated said, "In a new weekly series, Warpaint Illustrated Columnist Pat Clifton takes a look around the internet for inaccuracies from the National Media about the Kansas City Chiefs. This week he takes on the bloggers at Fox Sports.com, The Sporting News and Pro Football Talk."

Let's take a look and see who is behind the name "J.C. Jeffies" at FOX Sports Blog.

Jeffies Blog: http://community.foxsports.com/blogs/JCScheffres/2008/05/07/Tidbit_Topics_Cedric_Benson_NoHitters_and_Chiefs_Fans

Jeffies Credentials at Start My Blog: http://community.foxsports.com/blogs/BlogCreated.aspx

J.C. Jeffies national media? Wrong.
J.C. Jeffies Kansas City Chiefs fan? Yes


Pat Clifton columnist? Never!
Pat Clifton K.C. Chiefs fan? Yes


In all fairness, there was no reason to finish reading the article.



I'm not here to hurt anyone's feelings -- but that article was just plain wrong.

Douche Baggins
05-21-2008, 12:07 PM
You're way too hung up on labels, Dylan. They mean jack shit.

Brock
05-21-2008, 12:13 PM
It's basically a hack blogger whining about other hack bloggers.

BigRock
05-21-2008, 04:31 PM
Nick has been extremely accurate this offseason.
What has he actually reported this offseason, though? You have to say something to risk being wrong about it.

Douche Baggins
05-21-2008, 04:56 PM
What has he actually reported this offseason, though? You have to say something to risk being wrong about it.

Tons of stuff. We were constantly providing updates during the OC search, the offensive staff search, and the Jared Allen trade talks.