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Basileus777
05-20-2008, 06:57 PM
Anyone else watching it?

Jay-Z is going to bring Beasley to Jersey. :drool:

Marco Polo
05-20-2008, 06:59 PM
I'm not a big NBA fan, though I am rooting for a Spurs-Celtics matchup in the finals. At any rate, I think it would be kinda cool if Beasley goes to South Beach and help out D-Wade.

Spicy McHaggis
05-20-2008, 07:00 PM
Thanks for the heads up. See what the Bulls get. Oh and **** D'Antoni.

Marco Polo
05-20-2008, 07:05 PM
What's wrong with D'Antoni?

ChiefsCountry
05-20-2008, 07:05 PM
Hope the Kings get up there.

Basileus777
05-20-2008, 07:10 PM
Margie's husband better look out... D-Wade likes them older women, or so i hear http://www.realgm.com/boards/images/smiles/icon_wink.gif

Basileus777
05-20-2008, 07:20 PM
Oh shit, the Bulls...

Spott
05-20-2008, 07:25 PM
Oh hell yeah. Go Bulls!!

Basileus777
05-20-2008, 07:25 PM
Pimping season tickets? Carl would be proud.

Oh and the Miami Heat should draft some dignity in the first...

Spott
05-20-2008, 07:28 PM
The Heat should be used to being punked by Chicago. Chicago only had a 1.7% chance of getting the #1 pick.

ChiefsCountry
05-20-2008, 07:30 PM
Hinrich might be out the door now that Bulls could be getting Rose.

Basileus777
05-20-2008, 07:34 PM
Thanks for the heads up. See what the Bulls get. Oh and **** D'Antoni.

Haha. D'antoni must feel like a huge idiot right now choosing the Knicks over the Bulls. The Bulls already had the right players to fit his playing style, with the only need being a point guard who can run the fast-break. Now the Bulls can get Rose and have a perfect team for D'antoni to coach.

Spott
05-20-2008, 07:34 PM
Hinrich might be out the door now that Bulls could be getting Rose.

They really need a low post scorer. I would rather keep Hinrich and Gordon and get someone a big presence inside to open up more shots for those two.

Marco Polo
05-20-2008, 07:35 PM
So who should the Bulls draft? I don't know their needs. Rose or Beasley?

KCGridironBeast
05-20-2008, 07:38 PM
Seems like the Bulls are going to take Rose. I'd almost rather be in the number two position this year, considering how difficult of a decision the number one team will be faced with. It has all the makings of the kind of decision that could be a HUGE mistake in five years when one of the two turns into a superstar...for the Bulls sake, they better pick the right guy.

Fairplay
05-20-2008, 07:38 PM
Pimping season tickets? Carl would be proud.



That was really lame and cheesey. I was disgusted at him when he rattled off the number to buy tickets. He also seemed ungrateful at a number one pick, like they deserved it anyway.

dj56dt58
05-20-2008, 07:39 PM
So who should the Bulls draft? I don't know their needs. Rose or Beasley?

they need both..Hinrich is ok..but I don't think you can pass on Rose. The Bulls are young and have a lot of talent, but never seem to utilize their full potential. Rose will make that happen

Spott
05-20-2008, 07:42 PM
So who should the Bulls draft? I don't know their needs. Rose or Beasley?


IMO, they are set at the guard position. They have Hinrich, Ben Gordon and Larry Hughes who was traded from Cleveland. They have traded Curry, Chandler and Ben Wallace in the past couple of years and really don't have anybody at the 1 or 2 position that can score. They drafted Noah last year, but he isn't much of a scoring threat.

Basileus777
05-20-2008, 07:43 PM
Now the Bulls need a coach who won't do everything in his power to destroy the rook's confidence.

Fairplay
05-20-2008, 07:43 PM
It has all the makings of the kind of decision that could be a HUGE mistake in five years when one of the two turns into a superstar...for the Bulls sake, they better pick the right guy.


Like Greg Oden being the number one pick last year. That was a disaster.

Spott
05-20-2008, 07:47 PM
That was really lame and cheesey. I was disgusted at him when he rattled off the number to buy tickets. He also seemed ungrateful at a number one pick, like they deserved it anyway.

I've always been a Bulls fan, but I've always hated the schmucks that ran the organization. I hate to say it, but basically they got lucky back in 84 when MJ fell right into their lap when Portland drafted Sam Bowie. The Jerry's alienated Pippen, MJ and Phil Jackson. And since then they have drafted worse than Carl for the most part and have traded away all of the players that would have worked out for them like Elton Brand.

Miles
05-20-2008, 07:49 PM
Like Greg Oden being the number one pick last year. That was a disaster.

In the long run it may not be too bad depending on how well Oden comes back from the injury.

Mecca
05-20-2008, 07:49 PM
The Bulls have to take Beasley, they need a big man badly.

No team will ever win without one....and you know what lets wait till Oden plays before we call that a bad pick.

You in todays game are alot more likely to win with Greg Oden as your centerpiece than Durant.

ChiefsCountry
05-20-2008, 07:49 PM
IMO, they are set at the guard position. They have Hinrich, Ben Gordon and Larry Hughes who was traded from Cleveland. They have traded Curry, Chandler and Ben Wallace in the past couple of years and really don't have anybody at the 1 or 2 position that can score. They drafted Noah last year, but he isn't much of a scoring threat.

1 and 2 are the guard positions, 4 and 5 is down low.

Miles
05-20-2008, 07:50 PM
IMO, they are set at the guard position. They have Hinrich, Ben Gordon and Larry Hughes who was traded from Cleveland. They have traded Curry, Chandler and Ben Wallace in the past couple of years and really don't have anybody at the 1 or 2 position that can score. They drafted Noah last year, but he isn't much of a scoring threat.

I agree. They have badly needed a low post scorer ever since they traded Brand.

Mecca
05-20-2008, 07:50 PM
Also for the record, Derrick Rose game doesn't translate that well to the NBA if anyone thinks he's Chris Paul they're mistaken..

His T/O ratio isn't that great he's a blah foul shooter and he doesn't have 3 range, he needs some developing for the NBA game. He has the body and the dribble drive but the rest he has to develop if he wants to be a top notch guy.

Basileus777
05-20-2008, 07:54 PM
Rose's court vision is overrated, he isn't going to be a Chris Paul type passer. But since the handcheck rules were eliminated, quick point guards have become impossible to keep out of the lane.

But Beasley isn't the traditional big man either, he's an undersized scoring 4. He's a taller Melo.

Spott
05-20-2008, 07:54 PM
1 and 2 are the guard positions, 4 and 5 is down low.

Ha, my bad.

Der Flöprer
05-20-2008, 07:55 PM
lulz at the Sonics. Eat shit OKC.

Fairplay
05-20-2008, 07:57 PM
No team will ever win without one....and you know what lets wait till Oden plays before we call that a bad pick.





A number one pick last year and we have to wait to see him play?

That statement alone says that was a bad pick.

Mecca
05-20-2008, 07:59 PM
Do you realize how hard it is to get a Center?

If he is a good player, which I suspect he will be because he is a plus blocker and rebounder then it was still worth it.

ChiefsCountry
05-20-2008, 08:00 PM
A number one pick last year and we have to wait to see him play?

That statement alone says that was a bad pick.

Not really. Spurs had to wait two years for David Robinson and that turned out okay for them. A potential franchise center is most valuable thing an NBA team can have.

Basileus777
05-20-2008, 08:00 PM
A number one pick last year and we have to wait to see him play?

That statement alone says that was a bad pick.

Not at all. NBA picks often take years to develop. Who cares if he missed one year, the bigger concern is how much the microfracture surgery affects his athleticism.

Mecca
05-20-2008, 08:01 PM
Golden State is waiting on the PF they got last year, teams do it frequently. Jermaine O'Neal didn't step on the floor for 2 years.

Fairplay
05-20-2008, 08:04 PM
Not at all. NBA picks often take years to develop. Who cares if he missed one year, the bigger concern is how much the microfracture surgery affects his athleticism.



I'll try to remember this argument one year from now. If its the same, we gotta wait.............:shake:

The Bad Guy
05-20-2008, 08:05 PM
Proclaiming Oden was a bad pick is ridiculous.

Every GM in basketball would have taken him #1 overall.

Hydrae
05-20-2008, 08:55 PM
For Portland's sake they better hope this isn't Walton part deux.

Mr. Laz
05-20-2008, 09:06 PM
Bulls need inside scoring .... badly


imo this almost guarantees that beasley is the #1 pick

Spott
05-20-2008, 09:21 PM
I never got to see Beasley play much except for the NCAA tournament. Is he really good enough to be the #1 pick?

Mr. Laz
05-20-2008, 09:32 PM
I never got to see Beasley play much except for the NCAA tournament. Is he really good enough to be the #1 pick?
yes ... and this if from a KU fan, so it's not homer vision.

i'm trying to think of somebody to compare to, but can't really think of a good one.


let's just say that he plays with the ease of LeBron James but at a different position.

Basileus777
05-20-2008, 09:35 PM
Beasley is worth the #1 pick, but he's not an Oden type prospect. He reminds me of a bigger stronger Melo. He's a great scorer who has a great inside-outside game. He can work in the post, has a great mid-range game, and can attack the basket and draw fouls. He's a good rebounder too. His defense is the question. He could improve defensively, but he's is never going to be someone who can anchor your defense. I don't think there is much chance he will bust because he will be able to score in the NBA, but he doesn't have the potential Rose has.

the Talking Can
05-20-2008, 09:42 PM
poor Memphis.....they have gotten butt slammed in the last two drafts....

Spott
05-20-2008, 09:43 PM
yes ... and this if from a KU fan, so it's not homer vision.

i'm trying to think of somebody to compare to, but can't really think of a good one.


let's just say that he plays with the ease of LeBron James but at a different position.

Thanks. I have seen Rose play and wouldn't mind having him either, but they would almost certainly have to trade Hinrich if they drafted him.

BWillie
05-20-2008, 09:47 PM
Also for the record, Derrick Rose game doesn't translate that well to the NBA if anyone thinks he's Chris Paul they're mistaken..

His T/O ratio isn't that great he's a blah foul shooter and he doesn't have 3 range, he needs some developing for the NBA game. He has the body and the dribble drive but the rest he has to develop if he wants to be a top notch guy.

I have to agree with Mecca on this one. Rose is a guy who averaged 14 points a game, granted on a good team but he just doesn't look dominant to me. He utilized his size well to take advantage on many guards in the college ranks which made it easier for him to do what he wants. He's not going to have that luxury at the next level. The fact that Rose doesn't have good 3 range doesn't help. I'm sure he'll be a good player, but the Bull's would be retarded if the didn't pick up Beasley. He's like Carlos Boozer except he can shoot.

KevB
05-20-2008, 09:51 PM
Also for the record, Derrick Rose game doesn't translate that well to the NBA if anyone thinks he's Chris Paul they're mistaken..

His T/O ratio isn't that great he's a blah foul shooter and he doesn't have 3 range, he needs some developing for the NBA game. He has the body and the dribble drive but the rest he has to develop if he wants to be a top notch guy.

Chris Paul shot 28% from 3pt range as a rookie. It's not like he's a dead eye. Sure he has to develop, but he's got almost everything you want. He'll be bigger/stronger/faster than most PG's he goes against, so he'll be able to get by guys and finish and distribute. I think, depending on the team, you'll also see him become a good post-up guard. His shooting stroke is decent, so I expect him to get better there with repetition. He also just has "it". Can't be measured, but you know it when you see it. Memphis got out and ran quite a bit, but we're going to see this kid do some things on the court that a point guard isn't supposed to do.

Basileus777
05-20-2008, 09:52 PM
I have to agree with Mecca on this one. Rose is a guy who averaged 14 points a game, granted on a good team but he just doesn't look dominant to me. He utilized his size well to take advantage on many guards in the college ranks which made it easier for him to do what he wants. He's not going to have that luxury at the next level.

He absolutely will. He still has a large size and speed advantage over most NBA pgs. With the way fouls are called in the NBA, he's going to be very tough to stop from getting to the rim. Rose will take longer to adapt to the NBA game than Beasley because he's a pg and won't be able to come in and be a good scorer immediately. But, he has more potential than Beasley and plays the more important position.

He's not a great shooter, but neither is Dwayne Wade or Tony Parker. No one can stop them from penetrating. Chris Paul isn't a very good shooter. Jason Kidd is a HOFer and never developed a jump shot. Plus that is something he can develop. He's a lot more likely to become a good shooter than Beasley is of becoming a good defender.

the Talking Can
05-20-2008, 09:54 PM
passing on Rose because of Hinrich would be like passing on Dorsey because of McBride.....

I'm a KU fan, and I'd draft Rose in a damn heartbeat.

You also don't build great teams around the 4 spot...rarely....and Beasley isn't a power forward ala Duncan/Malone....you build a round great centers, guards, or wings a la Jordan/Bryant. I'm not even convinced that he'll be better than Odom.

I think Beasley will be an excellent pro, who scores a lot, but he won't be the centerpiece of a franchise the way Rose could be.

Rose isn't Paul. But he's a much freakier athlete, and taller, than either Paul or Williams (Utah).

And he's only 19. Take him. Build a team around him.

KevB
05-20-2008, 09:54 PM
I have to agree with Mecca on this one. Rose is a guy who averaged 14 points a game, granted on a good team but he just doesn't look dominant to me. He utilized his size well to take advantage on many guards in the college ranks which made it easier for him to do what he wants. He's not going to have that luxury at the next level. The fact that Rose doesn't have good 3 range doesn't help. I'm sure he'll be a good player, but the Bull's would be retarded if the didn't pick up Beasley. He's like Carlos Boozer except he can shoot.

His value isn't solely in his scoring. He's unselfish, and he knows how to run a team and be a very good player without chucking up 20 shots a game.

He will continue to be bigger/stronger/faster than the majority of the other PGs in the league, so that advantage will continue.

He'll certainly need to improve his perimeter shooting, but as I said in a previous post, Chris Paul shot 28% his first season and still put up 16 and 8.

BWillie
05-20-2008, 09:58 PM
He absolutely will. He still has a large size and speed advantage over most NBA pgs. With the way fouls are called in the NBA, he's going to be very tough to stop from getting to the rim. Rose will take longer to adapt to the NBA game than Beasley because he's a pg and won't be able to come in and be a good scorer immediately. But, he has more potential than Beasley and plays the more important position.

People say the point guard is the most important position right? Well the best point guard the last five years was Steve Nash. How many championships did he win? I think shooting guard is the most important. I thought that was interesting what one poster said before. 8 out of the last 9 NBA Champions had Shaq or Duncan playing for them.

Basileus777
05-20-2008, 10:02 PM
People say the point guard is the most important position right? Well the best point guard the last five years was Steve Nash. How many championships did he win? I think shooting guard is the most important. I thought that was interesting what one poster said before. 8 out of the last 9 NBA Champions had Shaq or Duncan playing for them.

In the NBA you either need Michael Jordan or a dominant big man to win a championship. There aren't any of those in this draft. But with the way NBA games are officiated today, quick penetrating pgs have become almost unguardable.

I wouldn't compare Rose to Nash, they really have little in common. Rose is more like a bigger Tony Parker or a pg version of Wade. He is unselfish, but he isn't a Nash/Kidd or even Paul type of passer.

the Talking Can
05-20-2008, 10:04 PM
People say the point guard is the most important position right? Well the best point guard the last five years was Steve Nash. How many championships did he win? I think shooting guard is the most important. I thought that was interesting what one poster said before. 8 out of the last 9 NBA Champions had Shaq or Duncan playing for them.

actually, no one is saying that....everyone knows that centers are the rarest and most important players.....

but the choice is between a pg and slightly undersized power forward....great pgs are much rarer, there are lots of quality 4's coming out of college....

KCChiefsMan
05-20-2008, 10:05 PM
I hope the Bulls take Beasley. Hinrich, Gordon, Deng + Beasley is pretty solid. They need a low post scorer like that. Rose is pretty damn good too, it would be a very tough choice.

Spott
05-20-2008, 10:09 PM
I'm satisfied with Hinrich so far at PG and I think if Beasley is as good as you all say he is, then it would only make Hinrich that much better.

Mecca
05-20-2008, 10:10 PM
actually, no one is saying that....everyone knows that centers are the rarest and most important players.....

but the choice is between a pg and slightly undersized power forward....great pgs are much rarer, there are lots of quality 4's coming out of college....

Some teams have been looking for a quality 4 for years...the Bulls are one of those teams.

the Talking Can
05-20-2008, 10:14 PM
Some teams have been looking for a quality 4 for years...the Bulls are one of those teams.

they had one in Aldridge....and the fact remains that the quality of 4's coming out is much higher than the quality of pgs....

now, if Beasley were a monster like Stoudamire or Howard, then you draft him....but he isn't

BWillie
05-20-2008, 10:16 PM
I hope the Bulls take Beasley. Hinrich, Gordon, Deng + Beasley is pretty solid. They need a low post scorer like that. Rose is pretty damn good too, it would be a very tough choice.

I was really disappointing with the Bull's this year. They just fell apart, I don't know what happened. Hinrich had just a horrible season. After last season he looked like he was going to turn into a Deron Williams type of guy. I just don't think Ben Gordon is the answer. I'd trade Ben Gordon for somebody. He is a boneheaded player. He takes the worst shots at the absolute worst times. I'm not questioning his ability, it's there, but when I think of Ben Gordon I think of Jamal Crawford and that ain't going to cut it.

Basileus777
05-20-2008, 10:18 PM
There is nothing wrong with the Bulls drafting Beasley. He will improve their team immediately and probably get them back in the playoffs. They have the defensive big men to hide his defensive problems and he will help their offense improve. Its funny that I actually ended up arguing for Rose here when i'd rather have Beasley on my team.

And I think Beasley would be a much better fit on the Heat. Rose and Wade are both slashing guards who can't shoot and need the ball in their hands to play. They don't complement each other well.

the Talking Can
05-20-2008, 10:19 PM
There is nothing wrong with the Bulls drafting Beasley. He will improve their team immediately and probably get them back in the playoffs. They have the defensive big men to hide his defensive problems and he will help their offense improve. Its funny that I actually ended up arguing for Rose here when i'd rather have Beasley on my team.

And I think Beasley would be a much better fit on the Heat. Rose and Wade are both slashing guards who can't shoot and need the ball in their hands to play. They don't complement each other well.

Beasley would be a great fit with Wade.....

BWillie
05-20-2008, 10:19 PM
I'm satisfied with Hinrich so far at PG and I think if Beasley is as good as you all say he is, then it would only make Hinrich that much better.

Hinrich is the epitome of an average starting NBA point guard. Does everything well, but nothing great. Hopefully he can progress into the upper echelon point guards with Chris Paul, Steve Nash, Andre Miller, Baron Davis, Billups and Deron Williams.

You look at Hinrich's production drop from last year to this year and you just can't make any sense out of it.

2007 16.6 PPG 45% FG's 6.3 APG
2008 11.5 PPG 41% FG's 6.0 APG

Mecca
05-20-2008, 10:22 PM
they had one in Aldridge....and the fact remains that the quality of 4's coming out is much higher than the quality of pgs....

now, if Beasley were a monster like Stoudamire or Howard, then you draft him....but he isn't

Um Aldridge was never on that team...

Basileus777
05-20-2008, 10:23 PM
Um Aldridge was never on that team...

They technically drafted him and then traded him to Portland for Tyrus Thomas. One of Paxson's idiotic moves along with dumping Chandler for trash so he could sign Ben Wallace.

Mecca
05-20-2008, 10:23 PM
They technically drafted him and then traded him to Portland for Tyrus Thomas.

I don't count those moves because that's how they have to be done in the NBA he spent about 5 minutes as a Bull so to me he was never on that team.

Basileus777
05-20-2008, 10:27 PM
I don't count those moves because that's how they have to be done in the NBA he spent about 5 minutes as a Bull so to me he was never on that team.

He could (and should) have kept him so I think his is still valid.

But Aldridge is a mid-post/slashing PF in the mold of Bosh, not a low-post scorer. Beasley can score in the post a lot better than Aldridge. Even so, trading Aldridge for an undersized PF with no skill set in Thomas was stupid.

Ceej
05-20-2008, 10:31 PM
I wouldn't be surprised to see Chicago trade away Ben Gordon or Hinrich and take Rose with the first overall pick.

the Talking Can
05-20-2008, 10:42 PM
Um Aldridge was never on that team...

yes, he was....and trading him was insane and basically ruined the team they were building....

Mecca
05-20-2008, 10:45 PM
They apparently didn't like him because he was traded about 10 minutes after he was drafted which meant they had no intention of ever keeping him.

Mr. Laz
05-20-2008, 10:46 PM
I wouldn't be surprised to see Chicago trade away Ben Gordon or Hinrich and take Rose with the first overall pick.
instead of just drafting Beasley and plugging him with the existing guys?


bad move imo

the Talking Can
05-20-2008, 10:48 PM
They apparently didn't like him because he was traded about 10 minutes after he was drafted which meant they had no intention of ever keeping him.

duh....

and that trade was unforgivably stupid....they had the player they needed, and traded him for a guy with almost 0 skills and a 70 inch vertical..

Basileus777
05-20-2008, 10:48 PM
instead of just drafting Beasley and plugging him with the existing guys?


bad move imo

Part of Chicago's problem is that they have a cheap owner who won't pay the luxury tax. Gordaon wants a big contract and Hinrich is already overpaid. But trading Hinirch and Gordon isn't a good idea unless they are getting a superstar or a legit big man. The Bulls need to consolidate their talent, they have too many people on their roster that need playing time as it is. Though a Rose/Thabo backcourt would look pretty good. They would be a huge mismatch with their size, almost like Detroit.

Ceej
05-20-2008, 10:48 PM
I dunno. I sort of disagree. I heard several rumors that Paxson was trying to move Heiny or Gordon all season long.

I'm unsure about Beasley being the consistent, low-scoring big man at the NBA level. I see him more perimeter oriented. I dunno though.

Admittedly I don't follow the NBA a great deal. Only KU alums - for the most part.

the Talking Can
05-20-2008, 10:51 PM
instead of just drafting Beasley and plugging him with the existing guys?


bad move imo

you think you'll win a title with Hinrich and Gordon?

a nice but not great PG, and a undersized 2 who can't guard anyone?

Mecca
05-20-2008, 10:51 PM
duh....

and that trade was unforgivably stupid....they had the player they needed, and traded him for a guy with almost 0 skills and a 70 inch vertical..

It doesn't help that even now when they suck they refuse to play him, he should be getting alot of minutes they aren't a championship contender.

Mecca
05-20-2008, 10:52 PM
you think you'll win a title with Hinrich and Gordon?

a nice but not great PG, and a undersized 2 who can't guard anyone?

Every team in the league could find a place for Gordon, you don't turn your nose up at a scorer like him.

Basileus777
05-20-2008, 10:52 PM
I dunno. I sort of disagree. I heard several rumors that Paxson was trying to move Heiny or Gordon all season long.

I'm unsure about Beasley being the consistent, low-scoring big man at the NBA level. I see him more perimeter oriented. I dunno though.

Admittedly I don't follow the NBA a great deal. Only KU alums - for the most part.

He may be more perimeter oriented, but he has the ability and willingness to play in the post. Though he will probably have to rely more on his face-up game in the NBA because he won't have a size advantage over most NBA PFs.

Ceej
05-20-2008, 10:52 PM
Every team in the league could find a place for Gordon, you don't turn your nose up at a scorer like him.

He's just horribly inconsistent. But, when he's on - he is on.

Ceej
05-20-2008, 10:53 PM
He may be more perimeter oriented, but he has the ability and willingness to play in the post. Though he will probably have to rely more on his face-up game in the NBA because he won't have a size advantage over most NBA PFs.


Bingo.

Basileus777
05-20-2008, 10:53 PM
Every team in the league could find a place for Gordon, you don't turn your nose up at a scorer like him.

As a 6th man, not someone who wants 13 mil a year. Gordon's size creates mismatches for the opposing team because he can't guard his own position. It forces your pg to guard sgs all game long.

SithCeNtZ
05-20-2008, 11:27 PM
I'm shocked the Bulls won. Shocked. Just like last year when the 2 most obvious teams "won" the lottery, the two most obvious won this years. Good thing too, the Bulls won me 400 bucks. Why more people didn't see this coming, I have no idea.

Chiefs Pantalones
05-21-2008, 12:31 AM
GO BULLS!!!

I want Rose. He's a true point guard. I love Hinrich (GO KU!!!) but we need a true point guard.

You really can't go wrong with either, Beasley would give us a double-double for years, but point guard is a need and Rose is it.

DaKCMan AP
05-21-2008, 07:06 AM
I'm relieved that the Heat got at least the #2 pick guaranteeing one of the clear top-2 players. Although I go back and forth every day, I hope the Bulls pick Beasley.

Amnorix
05-21-2008, 08:14 AM
Am I the only one that detests the lottery system? Even if you want to deter losing, why would it be all of the teams that missed the playoffs or whatever. It's foolish when the 9th worst team gets the best pick.

I gladly admit I'm bitter that the C's lost out on Duncan all those years ago, but in all honesty, I've always disliked the system.

Anyong Bluth
05-21-2008, 08:26 AM
I can't decide who I'd want more.


For the longest of time I was pretty much set on Beasley- and he is CLEARLY much more NBA ready, but the truth of the NBA always dictates you pay a premium to get in order of importance:

Center, PG, SG, PF, SF

Rose does have the size and handles to be an elite PG. Anyone worried about his shot- that was the same knock on Magic coming out, and guys routinely can improve their shot when they go to the league. Anyone remember Julian Wright dropping 3's a few playoff games ago... he's spent a lot of time working with coaches after practice and REALLY improved his shot. This is just an example.. as there were other's that people mentioned previously in the thread.

You can't teach height and speed, strength... etc. I know you can bulk up, but for example Westbrook out of UCLA is projected a lotto pick, and has a very similar game to Chalmers. Chalmers is only an inch and 1/2 shorter, but has a longer wingspan, while Westbrook is clearly more athletic and much stronger built, probably a bit more explosive in the lane, and a little younger. Chalmers is about as clutch as you can find in a shooter (I think some teams is gonna a great spot minute guy that will have a deadly stroke and clearly loves taking it) So, Westbrook has a more NBA type body, and if anyone thinks success on 1 level has a lot to do with the other is not seeing there are 2 completely different games.

There has been talk of Wade being moved to Chicago, and Miami clearly has made no bones about their desire to get Rose- a Chicago native. I could easily see Chicago taking Rose at 1 and Beasley going 2, and them swapping picks, depending on other players making it possible.

I'm pretty torn, b/c at 1st my gut says Beasley, but he just doesn't have the same value as an elite PG. I agree, the Bulls aren't winning anything with Gordon and Hinrich as your primary backcourt guys, so I'd lean to Rose probably.

As for those calling the Oden pick a bust- ???

I know its weird, but I grew up a Trailblazer fan starting in the late 80's. KC didn't have a team, and I just really liked their squad. What Pritchard has done to turn them around is amazing. Yes, he's raped Chicago and made some great choices. They have such a young team, and are full of studs, I'm so excited to see what they do in the near future. Ironically, they are looking for an elite PG. You put Rose with Roy, Oden, Aldridge, Jack and the rest, and that's gonna be a scary team. But they do need an elite PG.

The Oden pick made all the sense in the world. Truly great C's don't come around very often. You wanna win hardware in the NBA you better get yourself a top big man, or be Michael F'in Jordan. You think it's any coincidence that Lakers went from a outside potential contender to the 1 seed in the West once they got Paul Gausol. Talk about Memphis making a stupid move.

Oden is very young and has very little wear 'n tear on his body in comparison to a lot of guys that have had microfracture. Given his younger age, Dr's estimate he should really benefit from the procedure a lot more than the older guys that have it done.

I was never a big fan of his at tOSU- not that I didn't think he wasn't the real deal, but watching him interview after the draft last year, how can you not like the guy? Totally a laid back, down to earth kid, that's just enjoying himself and keeping his nose clean.

Anyong Bluth
05-21-2008, 08:30 AM
Am I the only one that detests the lottery system? Even if you want to deter losing, why would it be all of the teams that missed the playoffs or whatever. It's foolish when the 9th worst team gets the best pick.

I gladly admit I'm bitter that the C's lost out on Duncan all those years ago, but in all honesty, I've always disliked the system.


I love it, and I think it's a good setup. Let's be honest, we've all seen various NBA teams taking games down the stretch trying to improve their lottery chances. It prevents teams from solidifying their draft position by losing. You still get an advantage in having way better odds, but it adds some excitement and keeps teams from cheating the system.

Oh yeah, your a Pats fan, you like cheating.

Kiddingo:-)

Amnorix
05-21-2008, 08:37 AM
I love it, and I think it's a good setup. Let's be honest, we've all seen various NBA teams taking games down the stretch trying to improve their lottery chances. It prevents teams from solidifying their draft position by losing. You still get an advantage in having way better odds, but it adds some excitement and keeps teams from cheating the system.

Oh yeah, your a Pats fan, you like cheating.

Kiddingo:-)

And yet none of the other 4 major sports seem to think this is necessary. Maybe it's because NBA draft picks can have more of an impact in general. A Duncan or Shaq is obviously so much better than anybody else in their draft class, etc.

DaKCMan AP
05-21-2008, 08:45 AM
There has been talk of Wade being moved to Chicago, and Miami clearly has made no bones about their desire to get Rose- a Chicago native. I could easily see Chicago taking Rose at 1 and Beasley going 2, and them swapping picks, depending on other players making it possible.

DWade isn't going anywhere.

Anyong Bluth
05-21-2008, 08:54 AM
And yet none of the other 4 major sports seem to think this is necessary. Maybe it's because NBA draft picks can have more of an impact in general. A Duncan or Shaq is obviously so much better than anybody else in their draft class, etc.

Just based on the number of players on the field/court and certain franchise changing players being fairly easy to spot, it is clearly a safeguard.

If you know you're not going anywhere in the playoffs, and Player A, a badass center is coming out next year, and you think you've got a dynasty in the making if you can get Player A, who fits your team perfectly, you don't think a GM and coach wouldn't have that discussion?

Tell your banged up players that will need off season surgery to go ahead and get it now and get well for the next year, and go for broke to get the player.

It was like last year with Durant and Oden coming out- you had teams, i.e. Memphis and others that clearly were playing hot potato trying to give games away.

Anyong Bluth
05-21-2008, 09:01 AM
ESPN Insider:

Trade Option?

Kirk Hinrich | Bulls (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=chi)
Even before Chicago won the NBA draft lottery Tuesday (and the chance to draft Memphis point guard and Chicago native Derrick Rose if it chooses), an Eastern Conference executive said the Bulls appeared willing to consider dealing point guard Kirk Hinrich.
Hinrich now becomes a possible Heat trade option if the Bulls take Rose first and leave Kansas State power forward Michael Beasley for the Heat at No. 2. -- The Miami Herald (http://www.miamiherald.com/1262/story/540757.html)



Not saying it will happen, but DWade has made guarded comments about his interest in playin in Chicago. He's not that untouchable.

DaKCMan AP
05-21-2008, 09:07 AM
ESPN Insider:

Trade Option?

Kirk Hinrich | Bulls (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=chi)
Even before Chicago won the NBA draft lottery Tuesday (and the chance to draft Memphis point guard and Chicago native Derrick Rose if it chooses), an Eastern Conference executive said the Bulls appeared willing to consider dealing point guard Kirk Hinrich.
Hinrich now becomes a possible Heat trade option if the Bulls take Rose first and leave Kansas State power forward Michael Beasley for the Heat at No. 2. -- The Miami Herald (http://www.miamiherald.com/1262/story/540757.html)



Not saying it will happen, but DWade has made guarded comments about his interest in playin in Chicago. He's not that untouchable.

The Bulls don't have the ammo to get DWade. Kirk Hinrich? Not even close. DWade is from Chi-Town and all but he's with the Heat through 2010 and as long as we're competitive again, which we should be, he'll sign long-term in Miami - where he can make the most $$. The hiring of Eric Spoelstra as head coach jibes very well with keeping DWade.

Anyong Bluth
05-21-2008, 09:38 AM
The Bulls don't have the ammo to get DWade. Kirk Hinrich? Not even close. DWade is from Chi-Town and all but he's with the Heat through 2010 and as long as we're competitive again, which we should be, he'll sign long-term in Miami - where he can make the most $$. The hiring of Eric Spoelstra as head coach jibes very well with keeping DWade.

Works for me, I've got no dog in the fight, really. My only interest in the Bulls is 2ndary since I live in Chicago. I don't think they should trade for him, and never intended to insinuate that Hinrich was near enough ammo to get Wade- unless I've never watched an NBA game in my life. I think they should keep Hinrich, Gordon, Deng, Hughes, Gooden, and maybe Noah. Other than that, I don't see a lot thats peaks my interest.

Bulls have moved some players and been part of some really bad trades, IMO.

Like I said, I'm a Trailblazers fan.

dj56dt58
05-21-2008, 02:02 PM
why hasn't anybody talked about Mayo? Is it just his attitude? Kid has Kobe written all over him

BIG_DADDY
05-21-2008, 02:23 PM
Works for me, I've got no dog in the fight, really. My only interest in the Bulls is 2ndary since I live in Chicago. I don't think they should trade for him, and never intended to insinuate that Hinrich was near enough ammo to get Wade- unless I've never watched an NBA game in my life. I think they should keep Hinrich, Gordon, Deng, Hughes, Gooden, and maybe Noah. Other than that, I don't see a lot thats peaks my interest.

Bulls have moved some players and been part of some really bad trades, IMO.

Like I said, I'm a Trailblazers fan.

Jailblazers?

Anyong Bluth
05-21-2008, 02:45 PM
Posted via Mobile Device

yeah, they hit a rough patch towards the end of the 9o's when 'Trader' Bob Whitsett got frisky in his GM position. Pritchard has really cleaned house. They even moved Randolph, who has unreal elite talent, but was a bit of a bad seed and they didn't want him influencing their core of younger new guys. They didn't get full value for him based on his talent, but it was probably a wise move.

BIG_DADDY
05-21-2008, 02:47 PM
Posted via Mobile Device

yeah, they hit a rough patch towards the end of the 9o's when 'Trader' Bob Whitsett got frisky in his GM position. Pritchard has really cleaned house. They even moved Randolph, who has unreal elite talent, but was a bit of a bad seed and they didn't want him influencing their core of younger new guys. They didn't get full value for him based on his talent, but it was probably a wise move.

I was raised in Oregon so I have always got grief for being a Lakers fan. You guys should be able to make a run next year. Lakers are going to be very good if they get Bynum and Ariza back playing like they did this year.

kstater
06-25-2008, 05:11 PM
Draft is tomorrow night. Rose expected to go to the Bulls. Rumors of the Heat trading or outright not picking Beasley at 2.

I know I have the homer glasses on, but how dumb would this be? Blackledge dumb? People keep talking about his character issues, but since when is having fun and joking around a character issue?

ChiefsFanatic
06-25-2008, 05:59 PM
Draft is tomorrow night. Rose expected to go to the Bulls. Rumors of the Heat trading or outright not picking Beasley at 2.

I know I have the homer glasses on, but how dumb would this be? Blackledge dumb? People keep talking about his character issues, but since when is having fun and joking around a character issue?

Miami wants a point guard. One GM was quoted as saying when you look into Beasley's eyes, you can actually see Luney Tunes playing. That can't be good. Maybe he will be the second coming of Michael Bishop for K-State fans. You know, someone with a world of physical talent but not one brain cell able to learn anything.

I think that Chicago is just stupid for taking Rose #1. In a wide open offense, he averaged 14.9 points per game. With a superstar laden team, Mario averaged 12.8. As the teams main point guard, Rose averaged 4.7 assists per game. Mario, playing shooting guard averaged 4.3 assists per game. Rose shot 34% from 3-point range, Mario 47%. Rose shot 48% from the field, Mario 52%.

I am not saying Mario should go number one, but Rose is such a product of media hype, it makes me sick. He was listed as 6'3" in college, but at the combine was 6'1".

In years to come, Chicago will be ridiculed for taking Rose #1. (if they do) and it may be Beasley that everyone points to, like they used to point out that Sam Bowie was drafted before MJ.

Sure-Oz
06-25-2008, 06:04 PM
Draft is tomorrow night. Rose expected to go to the Bulls. Rumors of the Heat trading or outright not picking Beasley at 2.

I know I have the homer glasses on, but how dumb would this be? Blackledge dumb? People keep talking about his character issues, but since when is having fun and joking around a character issue?

Their looking at his HS troubles apparently, being in multiple schools etc. He was a leader at KSU and seemed to just be a little joker, kind've crazy that they'd pull away from him and go with Mayo who takes money under the table. If that's their excuse....regarding troubles...

IMO sometimes beasley acts dumb but who knows if he is just ****ing with people

Direckshun
06-25-2008, 06:09 PM
Hoping the Celtics haul in a tall center with strong defense.

doomy3
06-25-2008, 07:42 PM
Is the draft on yet? What time and channel?

BWillie
06-25-2008, 07:44 PM
As a Bulls fan I will fight someone if they draft Rose. Stupid stupid stupid. Players like Beasley only come around once every 10 years.

Coach
06-25-2008, 07:45 PM
Is the draft on yet? What time and channel?

Draft is Tomorrow (Thursday) at 7:00 ET/6:00 CT on ESPN.

Tiger's Fan
06-25-2008, 07:53 PM
As a Bulls fan I will fight someone if they draft Rose. Stupid stupid stupid. Players like Beasley only come around once every 10 years.

I totally agree. Not picking Beasley would be a collosal mistake felt for years to come. Rose is as overrated a player as I've seen hyped, maybe ever. It's just the residule effect of Memphis thrashing an overhyped and undeserving UCLA* team. KU's guards took him out of the game almost completely. Oh, and he's a choker.

kstater
06-25-2008, 08:05 PM
Miami wants a point guard. One GM was quoted as saying when you look into Beasley's eyes, you can actually see Luney Tunes playing. That can't be good. Maybe he will be the second coming of Michael Bishop for K-State fans. You know, someone with a world of physical talent but not one brain cell able to learn anything.

.

Who knows, you may be right. But playing in the NBA doesn't require nearly the rocks that quarterbacking an NFL team does.

ChiefsFanatic
06-25-2008, 08:43 PM
Who knows, you may be right. But playing in the NBA doesn't require nearly the rocks that quarterbacking an NFL team does.

You cut off the rest of my post. I say that Beasley may be the player that people ridicule Chicago for passing on.

ChiefsFanatic
06-25-2008, 08:45 PM
I totally agree. Not picking Beasley would be a collosal mistake felt for years to come. Rose is as overrated a player as I've seen hyped, maybe ever. It's just the residule effect of Memphis thrashing an overhyped and undeserving UCLA* team. KU's guards took him out of the game almost completely. Oh, and he's a choker.

Please see my previous post. Post (http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showpost.php?p=4812235&postcount=95)

Tiger's Fan
06-25-2008, 08:58 PM
Please see my previous post. Post (http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showpost.php?p=4812235&postcount=95)

You said it better than I. Time will tell. I'd bet on your being right.

Pitt Gorilla
06-25-2008, 09:14 PM
As a Bulls fan I will fight someone if they draft Rose. Stupid stupid stupid. Players like Beasley only come around once every 10 years.Rose>>>>>>>>Beasley.

DaKCMan AP
06-25-2008, 10:58 PM
I pray that all this bs talk about the Heat not wanting Beasley is all smoke and mirrors.

Scenario 1: Bulls draft Beasley, Heat draft Rose.

Scenario 2: Bulls draft Rose, Heat draft Beasley - trade Marion.

Anything outside of those two scenarios (minus the trade Marion part) will piss me off.

DaKCMan AP
06-25-2008, 11:00 PM
I think that Chicago is just stupid for taking Rose #1. In a wide open offense, he averaged 14.9 points per game. With a superstar laden team, Mario averaged 12.8. As the teams main point guard, Rose averaged 4.7 assists per game. Mario, playing shooting guard averaged 4.3 assists per game. Rose shot 34% from 3-point range, Mario 47%. Rose shot 48% from the field, Mario 52%.

I am not saying Mario should go number one, but Rose is such a product of media hype, it makes me sick. He was listed as 6'3" in college, but at the combine was 6'1".

In years to come, Chicago will be ridiculed for taking Rose #1. (if they do) and it may be Beasley that everyone points to, like they used to point out that Sam Bowie was drafted before MJ.

:homer:

Coach
06-25-2008, 11:02 PM
I pray that all this bs talk about the Heat not wanting Beasley is all smoke and mirrors.

Scenario 1: Bulls draft Beasley, Heat draft Rose.

Scenario 2: Bulls draft Rose, Heat draft Beasley - trade Marion.

Anything outside of those two scenarios (minus the trade Marion part) will piss me off.

I think they will trade it to Seattle.

chiefs1111
06-25-2008, 11:22 PM
I think in the end the Heat will take Beasley,unless they get a really good trade on the table.. I really don't understand why the heat don't want Beasley in the first place... seems to me like he's going to be a great player....

DaKCMan AP
06-25-2008, 11:24 PM
Hopefully the rest of the Heat management/scouting tell Riley to TAKE BEASLEY like they told him to TAKE WADE when Riley wanted Chris Kaman.

BWillie
06-26-2008, 02:08 AM
I think in the end the Heat will take Beasley,unless they get a really good trade on the table.. I really don't understand why the heat don't want Beasley in the first place... seems to me like he's going to be a great player....

Because they have like 19 small forwards. Even still, you can't pass on Michael Beasley.

DaneMcCloud
06-26-2008, 03:09 AM
you think you'll win a title with Hinrich and Gordon?

a nice but not great PG, and a undersized 2 who can't guard anyone?

I think the bigger issue is Vinnie Del Negro: Can this guy even coach an NBA team let alone mold a young team into a winning team?

The "Jerrys" are idiots.

Miles
06-26-2008, 03:57 AM
Players like Beasley only come around once every 10 years.


:spock:

ChiefsFanatic
06-26-2008, 09:01 AM
:homer:

No, I am not a Homer. The reason I used Mario is because I don't think he should go #1. How can a point guard, on a wide open offense, with a bucnh of finishers like Dozier, Dorsey, Anderson, and Chris Douglas-Roberts only average 4.7 assists per game, shoot 34% from 3, and only 48% from the filed, but be the number one pick in the draft?

My point was that Rose is all hype.

eazyb81
06-26-2008, 09:22 AM
Speaking of Memphis, I can't believe CDR has fallen so far. There's some talk that he might not even go in the 1st round. This guy can put the ball in the bucket as well as anyone in the country.

Some lucky team is going to get a steal w/ him late in the 1st or early in the 2nd.

I'm crossing my fingers that Memphis takes Bayless or Gordon, they need a superstar player to pair with Conley.

DaKCMan AP
06-26-2008, 09:32 AM
Speaking of Memphis, I can't believe CDR has fallen so far. There's some talk that he might not even go in the 1st round. This guy can put the ball in the bucket as well as anyone in the country.

Some lucky team is going to get a steal w/ him late in the 1st or early in the 2nd.

I'm crossing my fingers that Memphis takes Bayless or Gordon, they need a superstar player to pair with Conley.

Bayless and Conley in the same backcourt doesn't make sense to me. Gordon fits better as a scorer.

CoMoChief
06-26-2008, 09:50 AM
The Bulls need a big man, PERIOD. Taking Rose would be stupid. He's not a great shooter, he can't shoot free throws (heheheh Rock Chalk). The Bulls are loaded at guard.

Beasley will be a good 4 man in this league.

FELT
06-26-2008, 09:57 AM
I don't get a league where teams trade their draft picks away for cash! Could you imagine if CP tried something like that, which I'm pretty sure he has already tried.

Fairplay
06-26-2008, 10:45 AM
Speaking of Memphis, I can't believe CDR has fallen so far. There's some talk that he might not even go in the 1st round. This guy can put the ball in the bucket as well as anyone in the country.

Some lucky team is going to get a steal w/ him late in the 1st or early in the 2nd.



I thought the same thing. I don't understand it either

Mecca
06-26-2008, 11:13 AM
Speaking of Memphis, I can't believe CDR has fallen so far. There's some talk that he might not even go in the 1st round. This guy can put the ball in the bucket as well as anyone in the country.

Some lucky team is going to get a steal w/ him late in the 1st or early in the 2nd.

I'm crossing my fingers that Memphis takes Bayless or Gordon, they need a superstar player to pair with Conley.

He's going to be like Josh Howard, lower pick that ends up really good.