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Brock
05-27-2008, 01:11 PM
Hobbit movies meet dire foe in son of Tolkien

John Harlow in Los Angeles
Video: watch an interview with Christopher Tolkien

The son of JRR Tolkien will try next week to halt Hollywood plans to follow the critical and commercial triumph of the Lord of the Rings trilogy by filming The Hobbit and a sequel.

Christopher Tolkien, 83, is calling for “one last crusade” in a long-running court battle against the producers of The Lord of the Rings only weeks before carpenters are due to begin work in New Zealand on the sets for the latest Middle-earth epic.

He claims the Tolkien family is owed £80m by New Line Cinema under a deal for a 7.5% share of profits that was signed in 1969, when his father reluctantly sold film rights to pay a tax bill.

Today the film-makers will confirm that Sir Ian McKellen is returning to his role as the wizard Gandalf in The Hobbit and that Andy Serkis will reprise his role as the murderous creature Gollum.

Sir Ian Holm, who played the hobbit Bilbo Baggins in The Lord of the Rings, is expected to narrate. Viggo Mortensen has unexpectedly been asked to return as Aragorn, a character who does not appear in the original Hobbit story, published in 1937.

Peter Jackson, who directed the Rings trilogy, is to produce the Hobbit films. The director will be Guillermo del Toro, the Mexican whose grim fantasy Pan’s Labyrinth won three Oscars last year.

However, at a hearing on June 6 Christopher Tolkien will ask a Californian judge to back his claim that he can “terminate” film rights to The Hobbit. He is said to be furious with the New Line studio, which earned £3 billion from the Rings trilogy. Tolkien’s lawyers accuse New Line of “accounting chicanery”. Warner Bros, owner of New Line, declined to comment.

In an internet press conference last night, Jackson and del Toro answered questions about the new films, which will cost about £150m to make over the next three years.

The first will be rooted firmly in the original book The Hobbit, following the naive young Bilbo on a quest for dragon’s gold and showing how he obtained his all-powerful ring. The second will cover the 50 years between his return home and the events of The Lord of the Rings.

That period is described in The Silmarillion, a collection of notes and tales assembled by Christopher Tolkien and published four years after his father’s death in 1973.

Tolkien Jr, described by his biographer as “cantankerous”, is unlikely to allow the film-makers free access to The Silmarillion. He has always been sceptical of Hollywood. Even now relatives are unsure whether he has watched The Lord of the Rings, which won a total of 17 Oscars.

http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_and_entertainment/film/article3999008.ece

morphius
05-27-2008, 01:19 PM
Well, they tried to screw over the director, so this isn't a shock at all.

FAX
05-27-2008, 01:22 PM
Is Tolkien being treated fairly, do you think?

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InChiefsHell
05-27-2008, 01:28 PM
Unless he's rolling in dough, no, he's not being treated fairly. How can the studio have no comment? Either they just hope the whole thing goes away, or they don't think much of Jr.'s claim, but I can't believe there would be no comment...

blaise
05-27-2008, 01:29 PM
I imagine him, old and bent and bitter, carrying on a conversation with himself like Smeagol and Gollum.
"They're trying to steal my Daddy's precious character."
"But Daddy would want them to do it."
"Must kill the wicked producer. Stab it's eyes out. It's stealing our hobbitses."

Amnorix
05-27-2008, 01:40 PM
Christopher Tolkien is a self-absorbed POS, far as I can tell. If his father sold the film rights for three cups of coffeee 40 years ago, then it's his bad luck that he can't cash in on a share of the film fortune.

Amnorix
05-27-2008, 02:03 PM
Here's alot more detail. Given that New LIne seems to have screwed everyone else, I suspect Tolkien's estate has a valid claim.

http://books.guardian.co.uk/news/articles/0,,2255945,00.html



New Line yesterday declined to comment on the trust's lawsuit. But it is not the first time that the studio has fallen victim to the curse of the Ring.
In 2004 Zaentz sued New Line, claiming he was owed a £10m share of the royalties from the trilogy. An out-of-court settlement was reached a year later. The studio also fell out with Jackson after he claimed they had not paid him his share of profits from the first Rings film. However, they resolved their differences last year.
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Dicky McElephant
05-27-2008, 02:16 PM
Another two films? I thought they were just going to do one.....

morphius
05-27-2008, 02:27 PM
Another two films? I thought they were just going to do one.....
Nope, it was announced that it was going to be 2 a while back.

InChiefsHell
05-27-2008, 02:31 PM
It's interesting that they are doing the dead space between Hobbit and Fellowship...

...I'm right now half way through the Two Towers, and it's amazing how they re-arranged the story for the movies...

FAX
05-27-2008, 02:31 PM
Another two films? I thought they were just going to do one.....

Yeah ... apparently, the're doing The Hobbit then another film that takes place during the time between Bilbo's return and Frodo's departure, Mr. pestilenceaf23.

It's going to be a comedy/romance about four diminutive, furry-footed quasi-elfs who gossip about their love lives and explore ways to maintain meaningful relationships in 1220 Middle Earth ... kind of a "Sex And The Shire".

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QuikSsurfer
05-27-2008, 02:35 PM
Yeah ... apparently, the're doing The Hobbit then another film that takes place during the time between Bilbo's return and Frodo's departure, Mr. pestilenceaf23.

It's going to be a comedy/romance about four diminutive, furry-footed quasi-elfs who gossip about their love lives and explore ways to maintain meaningful relationships in 1220 Middle Earth ... kind of a "Sex And The Shire".

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Don't remember Mary and Pippin in The Hobbit.
You must be talking about the 2 children Sam and Frodo have together?

morphius
05-27-2008, 02:50 PM
It's interesting that they are doing the dead space between Hobbit and Fellowship...

...I'm right now half way through the Two Towers, and it's amazing how they re-arranged the story for the movies...
I just read all three books as well, lot of differences, but in this case most of them were for the best. I remember reading the part on Tom Bombadil, and just kept thinking that this was stupid as hell.

InChiefsHell
05-27-2008, 02:52 PM
Don't remember Mary and Pippin in The Hobbit.
You must be talking about the 2 children Sam and Frodo have together?

Well, it IS the story between Hobbit an LOTR so...

QuikSsurfer
05-27-2008, 02:55 PM
I just read all three books as well, lot of differences, but in this case most of them were for the best. I remember reading the part on Tom Bombadil, and just kept thinking that this was stupid as hell.

I remember loving Bombadils songs when I was a kid. Mainly because my dad would sing them out loud when reading the stories.
Frodo would've been destroyed by the Willow tree had it not been for ole Tom Bombadil, Tom Bombadilo.

InChiefsHell
05-27-2008, 02:58 PM
I just read all three books as well, lot of differences, but in this case most of them were for the best. I remember reading the part on Tom Bombadil, and just kept thinking that this was stupid as hell.


Yeah, I really wanted to like that part, but "ghey" was all that came to mind. I'm noticing that they get better as they go along.

Frankly, I was not overly impressed with the Hobbit. I liked it, and I think it was good, but I don't really understand how it became this HUGE classic...ah well. Maybe after I get through the whole thing it will feel more like it should.

QuikSsurfer
05-27-2008, 02:59 PM
Well, it IS the story between Hobbit an LOTR so...

gotcha

morphius
05-27-2008, 03:02 PM
Yeah, I really wanted to like that part, but "ghey" was all that came to mind. I'm noticing that they get better as they go along.

Frankly, I was not overly impressed with the Hobbit. I liked it, and I think it was good, but I don't really understand how it became this HUGE classic...ah well. Maybe after I get through the whole thing it will feel more like it should.
I actually read the hobbit first, before reading the trilogy and really liked it. I don't have a lot of reading time, but flew through that book.

Amnorix
05-27-2008, 03:13 PM
Yeah, I really wanted to like that part, but "ghey" was all that came to mind. I'm noticing that they get better as they go along.

Frankly, I was not overly impressed with the Hobbit. I liked it, and I think it was good, but I don't really understand how it became this HUGE classic...ah well. Maybe after I get through the whole thing it will feel more like it should.


It likely won't. It's much more of a children's book. I'm not a huge fan of it, whereas I love Lord of the Rings.

BigOlChiefsfan
05-27-2008, 04:06 PM
I want them to make a movie of the Harvard Lampoon's "Bored of the Rings". The success of this LotR parody gave the writers enough Moxie (Dr. Pepper and Yoohoo) to found the National Lampoon. Which was funny for it's first 3 or 4 years. At any rate, excerpts, we got excerpts

Bored of the Rings - Map of Middle Earth (http://boredoftherings.150m.com/bored_map.html)

Chapter III:
Indigestion at the Sign of the Goode Eats

...The village of Whee had some six dozen small houses, most of them built of wax paper and discarded corks. they were arranged in a sort of circle inside the protecting moat, whose stench alone could drop a dragon at a hundred paces.
Pinching their nostrils, the company crossed the creaky drawbridge and read the sign at the gate:

WELCOME TO QUAINT, HISTORICAL WHEE
POPULATION 1004 828 96 AND STILL GROWING

Two sleepy-eyed guards bestirred themselves just long enough to relieve the protesting Spam of his remaining tablespoons. Frito surrendered half of his magic beans, which the guards munched with speculation.
The boggies beat it before they took effect and, per Goodgulf's instructions, headed for the orange-and-green flashing sign at the center of town. There they found a gaudy plexiglas and chrome inn, whose blinking sign portrayed a boar, rampant, devoured by a mouth, drooling. Beneath it was the name of the inn, the Goode Eats & Lodging. Passing through the revolving door, the party signaled the bell clerk, whose nametag read Hi! I'm Hojo Hominigritts!. Like the rest of the staff, he was costumed as a suckling pig with false sow's ears, tail, and papier-mache' snout.

"Howdy!" drawled the fat boggie. "Ya'll want a room?"

"Yes," said Frito, stealing a glance at his companions. "We're just in town for a little vacation, aren't we, boys?"
"Vacation," said Moxie, winking at Frito broadly.
"Just a little vacation," added Pepsi, nodding his head like an idiot.
"Ya'll sign here please?" said the clerk through his fake snout. Frito took the quill chained to the desk and wrote the names ALIAS UNDERCOVER, IVAN GOTTASECRET, JOHN DOE-SMITH, AND IMA PSEUDONYM.
"Any bags, Mr., uh, Undercover?"
"Only under my eyes," mumbled Frito, turning toward the dining room.
"Wal," chuckled the clerk, "just leave these here sacks an' I'll ring a bell hop.
"Fine," said Frito, hurrying away.
"Now y'all have a good time now," the clerk called after them, "an' if y'all want anything, just ring!"
Out of earshot, Frito turned worriedly to Spam.
"You don't think he knows anything," he whispered, "do you?"
"Naw, Master Frito," said Spam, massaging his stomach. "Let's grab some grub!"...

...Suddenly, Frito's grinders jammed against a small hard object in the burger. Cursing under his breath, Frito reached into his throbbing mouth and extracted a tiny metal cylinder. Unscrewing the top, he removed a tinier strip of microvellum, on which he made out the words: Beware! You are in great danger. You are embarked on a long journey. You will soon meet a tall, dark Ranger. You weigh exactly fifty-nine pounds.
Frito drew in his breath with fright and his eyes sought the sender of this message. At last they came to rest on a tall, dark Ranger seated at the counter, a double root beer untouched before him. The lean figure was dressed entirely in gray, and his eyes were hidden by a black mask. Across his chest were crossed bandoleers of silver bullets, and a pearl-handled broadsword dangled ominously from one lean hip. As if feeling Frito's eyes upon him, he turned slowly on his stool and met them, putting a gloved finger to his lips for secrecy. He then pointed toward the door of the men's room and held out five fingers. FIVE MINUTES. He pointed toward Frito and then to himself. By this time, half the patrons had turned to watch, and thinking it was a game of charades, were encouraging him with shouts of "Famous saying?" and "Sounds like!"...
..."I have a message for you, Mr. Bugger," said the stranger.
Frito's burger rose at the sound of his true name.
"But--but I theenk you are meestaken, senor," began Frito lamely, "I velly solly but my honorable name not--"
"This message is from Goodgulf the Wizard," said the stranger, "if the name by which thee calls thyself answers to the title of Frito Bugger!"
"I are," said Frito, confused and frightened.
"And thee hast the Ring?"
"Maybe I do, and maybe I don't," countered Frito, stalling for time. The stranger lifted Frito by his narrow lapels.
"And thee hast the Ring?"
"Yes already," squealed Frito. "So I've got it! So sue me!"
"Be not afraid, allay thy fears, quail not, and hold thy horses," laughed the man. "I am a friend of thine."
"And you have a message for me from Goodgulf?" gulped Frito, feeling his burger settling a bit.
The tall one unzipped a secret compartment in a saddlebag on his shoulder and handed Frito a slip which read:
"Three shorts, four pairs socks, two shirts, chain mail, heavy starch?"
Impatiently, the stranger snatched the ancient gag from the boggie's paw and replaced it with a folded parchment. Frito's glance at the Michaelmas Seals and Goodgulf's X-rune imprinted in hardened bubble gum verified the sender.
Hurriedly he tore it open, saving the gum for Spam. For later. With difficulty he deciphered the familiar Palmer Method characters. They read:

Frito-lad,
The halberd has fallen! The fewmets have hit the windmill!
Sorhed's Nozdrul have gotten wind of our
little dodge and are beating the bush for "four boggies,
one with a pink tail." Doesn't take any abacus to figure out
somebody's spilled the gruel. Get out of wherever
you are fast, and don't lose the you-know-what.
I'll try to meet you at Wingtip, if not, look me up in
Riv'n'dell. in any case, don't take any oaken
thrupences. And don't mind Stomper, he's a good egg,
ut-bay ot-nay oo-tay ight-bray, if you know what I mean.

Must close, left something on the Bunsen,

Goodgulf

P.S. How do you like the new stationery? Picked it up for a plainchant at Hambone's Dept.!

Once again, Frito's Oink-Oink burger rose to the occasion. Fighting down it's untimely reappearance, Frito gasped, "Then we are not safe here."
"Have no fear, lowly boggie," said Stomper, "for I, Arrowroot of Arrowshirt, am with thee. Goodgulf must have spoken of me in the letter. I have many names--"
"I'm sure you do, mr. Arrowshirt," Frito broke in, panicking. "But it's mud and then some if we don't get out of here. I think somebody in this cheap joint wants my scalp, and not for a lanolin massage either!"..."

FAX
05-27-2008, 04:19 PM
ROFL

Awesome.

FAX