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SBK
06-02-2008, 01:44 PM
According to studies (http://www.examiner.com/a-1419425%7EPeter_Schweizer__Conservatives_more_honest_than_liberals_.html).....(duh) :evil:
Commentary - Peter Schweizer: Conservatives more honest than liberals?

The headline may seem like a trick question — even a dangerous one — to ask during an election year. And notice, please, that I didn’t ask whether certain politicians are more honest than others. (Politicians are a different species altogether.) Yet there is a striking gap between the manner in which liberals and conservatives address the issue of honesty.

Consider these results:

Is it OK to cheat on your taxes? A total of 57 percent of those who described themselves as “very liberal” said yes in response to the World Values Survey, compared with only 20 percent of those who are “very conservative.” When Pew Research (http://www.examiner.com/Subject-Pew_Research_Center.html) asked whether it was “morally wrong” to cheat Uncle Sam, 86 percent of conservatives agreed, compared with only 68 percent of liberals.

Ponder this scenario, offered by the National Cultural Values Survey: “You lose your job. Your friend’s company is looking for someone to do temporary work. They are willing to pay the person in cash to avoid taxes and allow the person to still collect unemployment. What would you do?”

Almost half, or 49 percent, of self-described progressives would go along with the scheme, but only 21 percent of conservatives said they would.
When the World Values Survey asked a similar question, the results were largely the same: Those who were very liberal were much more likely to say it was all right to get welfare benefits you didn’t deserve.

The World Values Survey found that those on the left were also much more likely to say it is OK to buy goods that you know are stolen. Studies have also found that those on the left were more likely to say it was OK to drink a can of soda in a store without paying for it and to avoid the truth while negotiating the price of a car.

Another survey by Barna Research found that political liberals were two and a half times more likely to say that they illegally download or trade music for free on the Internet.

A study by professors published in the American Taxation Association (http://www.examiner.com/Subject-American_Taxation_Association.html)’s Journal of Legal Tax Research found conservative students took the issue of accounting scandals and tax evasion more seriously than their fellow liberal students. Those with a “liberal outlook” who “reject the idea of absolute truth” were more accepting of cheating at school, according to another study, involving 291 students and published in the Journal of Education for Business.

A study in the Journal of Business Ethics involving 392 college students found that stronger beliefs toward “conservatism” translated into “higher levels of ethical values.” And academics concluded in the Journal of Psychology that there was a link between “political liberalism” and “lying in your own self-interest,” based on a study involving 156 adults.

Liberals were more willing to “let others take the blame” for their own ethical lapses, “copy a published article” and pass it off as their own, and were more accepting of “cheating on an exam,” according to still another study in the Journal of Business Ethics.

Now, I’m not suggesting that all conservatives are honest and all liberals are untrustworthy. But clearly a gap exists in the data. Why? The quick answer might be that liberals are simply being more honest about their dishonesty.

However attractive this explanation might be for some, there is simply no basis for accepting this explanation. Validation studies, which attempt to figure out who misreports on academic surveys and why, has found no evidence that conservatives are less honest. Indeed, validation research indicates that Democrats tend to be less forthcoming than other groups.

The honesty gap is also not a result of “bad people” becoming liberals and “good people” becoming conservatives. In my mind, a more likely explanation is bad ideas. Modern liberalism is infused with idea that truth is relative. Surveys consistently show this. And if truth is relative, it also must follow that honesty is subjective.

Sixties organizer Saul Alinsky (http://www.examiner.com/Subject-Saul_Alinsky.html), who both Barack Obama (http://www.examiner.com/Subject-Barack_Obama.html) and Hillary Clinton (http://www.examiner.com/Subject-Hillary_Clinton.html) say inspired and influenced them, once said the effective political advocate “doesn’t have a fixed truth; truth to him is relative and changing, everything to him is relative and changing. He is a political relativist.”

During this political season, honesty is often in short supply. But at least we can improve things by accepting the idea that truth and honesty exist. As the late scholar Sidney Hook (http://www.examiner.com/Subject-Sidney_Hook.html) put it, “the easiest rationalization for the refusal to seek the truth is the denial that truth exists.”

Peter Schweizer (http://www.examiner.com/Subject-Peter_Schweizer.html) is the author of “Makers and Takers: Why Conservatives Work Harder, Feel Happier, Have Closer Families, Take Fewer Drugs, Give More Generously, Value Honesty More, Are Less Materialistic and Envious, Whine Less ... And Even Hug Their Children More Than Liberals”

Laz
06-02-2008, 03:53 PM
the thread starter is proof that the title is bullshite


conservatives are just better liar because they have absolutely no conscience ...... so it SEEMS they are more honest.

banyon
06-02-2008, 04:17 PM
You certainly feel the need to reassure yourselves about it more often. It seems like there's a thread like this every month.

patteeu
06-02-2008, 04:43 PM
You certainly feel the need to reassure yourselves about it more often. It seems like there's a thread like this every month.

How can we believe that or anything else you say after this definitive study? ;)

lawrenceRaider
06-02-2008, 06:48 PM
the thread starter is proof that the title is bullshite


conservatives are just better liar because they have absolutely no conscience ...... so it SEEMS they are more honest.

Wrong, but you've inadvertantly stumbled onto the real reason these studies come out this way.

Conservatives seem to think that they should answer questions a certain way. So of course Southern Baptist Johnny's going to say he'd never cheat on his taxes because he thinks that's what he should say. Utter bullsh!t.

Libs don't see the problem with dishonesty. After all they all love the president who was disbarred for lying under oath, and "didn't have sex with that woman". Then went and bombed Iraq.

SBK
06-04-2008, 10:52 PM
I'm hoping for change that brings about a more honest liberal.

I kid, I kid....

Ultra Peanut
06-04-2008, 11:06 PM
You certainly feel the need to reassure yourselves about it more often. It seems like there's a thread like this every month.WE'RE HAPPY!
WE'RE HONEST!

EVERY! THING! IS! GREAT!

Taco John
06-04-2008, 11:09 PM
How honest could someone voting for McCain because of his conservativism possibly be?

Logical
06-04-2008, 11:16 PM
The only really honest candidate Ron Paul was basically hooted off the stage during debates. So I don't believe for a minute conservatives are really more honest than liberals.

SBK
06-04-2008, 11:21 PM
The only really honest candidate Ron Paul was basically hooted off the stage during debates. So I don't believe for a minute conservatives are really more honest than liberals.

I know that nobody reads the articles here and they just debate based upon the thread title, but in the article he states that politicians are a different animal. In referring to who's more honest he's talking about people's ideologies, not the politicians.

All politicians are liars, no study needed for that. :evil:

Logical
06-04-2008, 11:30 PM
I know that nobody reads the articles here and they just debate based upon the thread title, but in the article he states that politicians are a different animal. In referring to who's more honest he's talking about people's ideologies, not the politicians.

All politicians are liars, no study needed for that. :evil:Agreed on politicians, but I somewhat doubt that the average Lib/Con is inherently more honest. Maybe they mean that if a con says they will sit out the election they are more likely to really do it. I know that may be true for me.

patteeu
06-04-2008, 11:54 PM
How honest could someone voting for McCain because of his conservativism possibly be?

Who's doing that?

Mr. Flopnuts
06-05-2008, 12:17 AM
The only really honest candidate Ron Paul was basically hooted off the stage during debates. So I don't believe for a minute conservatives are really more honest than liberals.

Amen.

ClevelandBronco
06-05-2008, 12:24 AM
Who's doing that?

That's one hell of a good question. I'm voting for the guy because he's less liberal, and that makes him the only realistic choice I have.

blueballs
06-05-2008, 05:01 AM
Anybody that visits and contributes to this forum
and makes fun of rednecks for being NASCAR fans
are living in a world of make believe -round and round and round and

InChiefsHell
06-05-2008, 08:25 AM
That's one hell of a good question. I'm voting for the guy because he's less liberal, and that makes him the only realistic choice I have.

INdeed. The less stinky of two turds...:shake: