View Full Version : Elections Question re Obama's VP
irishjayhawk
06-03-2008, 09:57 PM
Does anyone consider Kathleen Sebelius a viable candidate for his running mate?
It basically secures the woman vote without actually having HRC as the running mate, which, to me, is a disaster waiting to happen. And I think she's set herself up nicely to be considered at some point.
Opinions?
Taco John
06-03-2008, 10:00 PM
Hillary Clinton is threatening to not campaign for Obama if he picks a woman as a running mate.
recxjake
06-03-2008, 10:02 PM
Tom Vilsack
HolmeZz
06-03-2008, 10:11 PM
I don't have many qualms about Sebelius from a political standpoint, but she isn't particularly well known, isn't from a state that will be in play, and doesn't seem to help Barack much in VP polls I've seen.
Direckshun
06-03-2008, 10:11 PM
I think she's viable because she's a Change agent, and a Democrat from a red state.
But Obama needs someone with more experience. Bill Richardson would be an excellent choice for him.
DeezNutz
06-03-2008, 10:16 PM
Obama needs someone with more experience.
Yep. Sebelius would be a gift for McCain. The return of Dukakis/Ferraro.
dirk digler
06-03-2008, 10:18 PM
I don't like the idea of Sebelius and from what I understand she probably couldn't even help to carry kansas.
I actually think that Obama maybe forced to take Hillary.
Coach
06-03-2008, 10:20 PM
I don't like the idea of Sebelius and from what I understand she probably couldn't even help to carry kansas.
I actually think that Obama maybe forced to take Hillary.
Actually, I think she is a very solid governer for the state of Kansas. I have always hated the fact that, twice, or three times, the coal companies want to build two coal plants out by Humboldt, Kansas. Thankfully Sebelius has veto'ed that bill, and it hasn't even gotten past the veto power.
I respect that. Also in my opinion, wind power is the better way to go, becuase of the fact that it's cleaner. May cost more, sure yes, but it produces better results for the environment.
Ultra Peanut
06-03-2008, 11:01 PM
I think she's a fantastic choice, but sadly, Hillary may very well directly or indirectly end up quashing her chances. Napolitano, too, for that matter.
Brian Schweitzer seems to be a hot name at the moment.
Mr. Kotter
06-03-2008, 11:02 PM
Sebilius will be his VP choice, IMHO.
She attracts much of the same crowd as Hillary; but without the baggage or bitchiness.
Hillary Clinton is threatening to not campaign for Obama if he picks a woman as a running mate.
So what? Obama should laugh in her face. Or tell her to go fugg herself. Hillary lost any hope for selection as VP by her lame assed antics tonight.
BigOlChiefsfan
06-03-2008, 11:19 PM
she probably couldn't even help to carry kansas
Yep.
Tell you what I'm gonna do. I'll let you have...at no charge, mind you...the Governor of Kansas in a straight up exchange for the governor of Louisiana. I'll even throw in the last 3 pads of Veto Stationary that Photo-Op Katy has in her desk. And 3 home editions of 'Prison Rape' or whatever that thing her kid is selling was called.
Operators are waiting now.
Pitt Gorilla
06-04-2008, 12:07 AM
Richardson would be a great choice.
Mr. Kotter
06-04-2008, 12:20 AM
Richardson would be a great choice.
C+
Logical
06-04-2008, 12:27 AM
Sebilius will be his VP choice, IMHO.
She attracts much of the same crowd as Hillary; but without the baggage or bitchiness.
So what? Obama should laugh in her face. Or tell her to go fugg herself. Hillary lost any hope for selection as VP by her lame assed antics tonight.
I kind of disagree, Katherine is inexperienced on the national stage and brings very little to the ticket other than just being a woman. When you combine Obama's vulnerability on the experience front he needs someone who is strong in that area. I think Hillary may broker a VP candidate she wants working for Obama (one of her major supporters) and she will probably secure a post in the administration (possibly Health Care Czar). Look for someone like Evan Byah or Gov Rendell out of PA. If you are looking for a woman you might want to look at one of the CA senators.
I think Richardson would be a good candidate but he burnt the bridge with the Clintons and may be eliminated for that reason.
Governor Jenniffer Granholm of Michigan might be an important asset in a key swing state and a strong rust belt, common man candidate. Also somewhat inexperienced but she has the advantage of being a huge swing state candidate.
Finally if they want a balanced ticket based on experience to appeal to independents Joe Biden would be a strong choice.
One final guy is Gov Strickland in Ohio but he really only helps in the Ohio swing state (maybe also a little rust belt help).
penguinz
06-04-2008, 07:35 AM
Actually, I think she is a very solid governer for the state of Kansas. I have always hated the fact that, twice, or three times, the coal companies want to build two coal plants out by Humboldt, Kansas. Thankfully Sebelius has veto'ed that bill, and it hasn't even gotten past the veto power.
I respect that. Also in my opinion, wind power is the better way to go, becuase of the fact that it's cleaner. May cost more, sure yes, but it produces better results for the environment.Them being coal plants is not what you should be worried about it is the fact that 80% of the power is to be shipped to the west coast.
It has passed the senate to build these again.
Frankie
06-04-2008, 10:31 AM
Does anyone consider Kathleen Sebelius a viable candidate for his running mate?
It basically secures the woman vote without actually having HRC as the running mate, which, to me, is a disaster waiting to happen. And I think she's set herself up nicely to be considered at some point.
Opinions?
Gee I hope not:
1- I saw her weak responce to Bush's State of the Union speech. Yuk! She came off as super boring and weak. She was "begging" Bush to "do the right thing" instead of "demanding" it. I have no reason to believe she's any more dynamic and strong political figure.
2- Obama has family connections to Kansas already (mother). He does not need Sebelius for that purpose.
3- Just putting a token woman on the ticket won't bring back most of female Hillary voters back to support Obama. For that he will need either Hillary on the ticket or her strong support.
jettio
06-04-2008, 10:59 AM
Obama may have a chance in Kansas if McCain can't get passed the Air Force tanker controversy.
I think Boeing might have got whupped fair and square, but that does not mean that the folks in Wichita might not hold it against him anyway.
I do not know if Obama could also make hay out of McCain's opposition to the farm bill and combine that with his Kansas roots.
Kansas is GOP from its inception as a free state and ran Alf Landon in 1936 against FDR.
Obama would make history if he could do it, but it would mean a lot of people voting Dem for the first time in their lives.
trndobrd
06-04-2008, 11:29 AM
Obama isn't thinking about Kansas. The attractiveness of Sebelius as a VP candidate is her ties to Ohio (her father was Governor of Ohio).
The problems with Sebelius is that she wouldn't help the D ticket from a national or international experience standpoint, nor does she seem like a viable President should Obama be unable to serve his term.
Previously mentioned was her poor performance responding to the '08 State of the Union speech. That, and her recent use of state funds to pay for a dinner at the Governor's mansion for an abortion doctor probably ended any prospects she has for VP. However, look for her to be Energy Secretary if Obama wins.
patteeu
06-04-2008, 12:12 PM
I kind of disagree, Katherine is inexperienced on the national stage and brings very little to the ticket other than just being a woman. When you combine Obama's vulnerability on the experience front he needs someone who is strong in that area. I think Hillary may broker a VP candidate she wants working for Obama (one of her major supporters) and she will probably secure a post in the administration (possibly Health Care Czar). Look for someone like Evan Byah or Gov Rendell out of PA. If you are looking for a woman you might want to look at one of the CA senators.
I think Richardson would be a good candidate but he burnt the bridge with the Clintons and may be eliminated for that reason.
Governor Jenniffer Granholm of Michigan might be an important asset in a key swing state and a strong rust belt, common man candidate. Also somewhat inexperienced but she has the advantage of being a huge swing state candidate.
Finally if they want a balanced ticket based on experience to appeal to independents Joe Biden would be a strong choice.
One final guy is Gov Strickland in Ohio but he really only helps in the Ohio swing state (maybe also a little rust belt help).
Hillary would be foolish to accept a lesser cabinet position in an Obama administration when she could be one of the more powerful Senate democrats who would be leading their inexperienced POTUS around by the nose.
trndobrd
06-04-2008, 01:27 PM
Hillary would be foolish to accept a lesser cabinet position in an Obama administration when she could be one of the more powerful Senate democrats who would be leading their inexperienced POTUS around by the nose.
Chris Matthews had an interesting comment this morning:
"If he needs her to win, he shouldn't be running for President"
"Hillary Clinton isn't going to want to obey Obama" He then went on to talk about how the role of the VP isn't to share in the authority of the Presidency. Rather, the VP works for the President.
BIG_DADDY
06-04-2008, 01:29 PM
Choosing Hillary to be your VP is like hiring a hit man to take yourself out.
Baby Lee
06-04-2008, 01:32 PM
WHat does Sibelius have that McKaskill doesn't have more of?
BigOlChiefsfan
06-04-2008, 02:09 PM
What does Sibelius have that McKaskill doesn't have more of?
Naked photos of He Whose Middle Name Must Not Be Mentioned?
Adept Havelock
06-04-2008, 02:14 PM
WHat does Sibelius have that McKaskill doesn't have more of?
With Sibelius there's no risk of freeing up a Senate seat that may or may not have a Dem Gov. to replace them. :shrug:
I don't see Sibelius bringing much to the table as VP.
little jacob
06-04-2008, 02:41 PM
sebelius supported that drivers license for illegals fiasco, she would never get a vote from me although i am not a kansan.
banyon
06-04-2008, 03:02 PM
Governor Jenniffer Granholm of Michigan might be an important asset in a key swing state and a strong rust belt, common man candidate. Also somewhat inexperienced but she has the advantage of being a huge swing state candidate.
As was pointed out to me in an earlier post, Granholm is not U.S. Native born (Canadian), and so would not be eligible.
patteeu
06-04-2008, 03:29 PM
It won't happen, but if John Sidney McCain asked Hillary Diane Rodham Clinton to be his VP, would she do it?
trndobrd
06-04-2008, 03:31 PM
WHat does Sibelius have that McKaskill doesn't have more of?
Ties to Ohio.
Logical
06-04-2008, 08:50 PM
As was pointed out to me in an earlier post, Granholm is not U.S. Native born (Canadian), and so would not be eligible.Thanks, did not realize that.
Logical
06-04-2008, 08:52 PM
Hillary would be foolish to accept a lesser cabinet position in an Obama administration when she could be one of the more powerful Senate democrats who would be leading their inexperienced POTUS around by the nose.Good point patteeu.:)
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