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TinyEvel
06-10-2008, 10:37 AM
Alright, who's getting this game midnight Wednesday?

Better yet, the Bundle (with backwards compatible 80G and Dualshock 3 and the game = $499)

THey're only making 400,000 units for the U.S. they WILL SELL OUT and FAST!

Here's an article about the Amazon demand.

http://ps3.kombo.com/article.php?artid=7079

Sure-Oz
06-10-2008, 02:18 PM
I may get the actual game soon since i got a 40gig ps3...that i mainly use as a BR player

Third Eye
06-10-2008, 02:40 PM
I'm not getting it, but I can't wait to find out if all the rumors about ridiculously long cut scenes and install times are true.

little jacob
06-10-2008, 02:53 PM
cant wait... killer app for ps3. got it on preorder

Buck
06-11-2008, 02:36 PM
I pre-ordered the MGS4 Special bundle, but I'm a pussy and I'll be picking it up on my lunch-break tomorrow instead.

Sure-Oz
06-11-2008, 03:43 PM
I pre-ordered the MGS4 Special bundle, but I'm a pussy and I'll be picking it up on my lunch-break tomorrow instead.

You got another ps3? or is there a special game bundle?

Buck
06-12-2008, 11:36 AM
You got another ps3? or is there a special game bundle?

I worded that wrong.

Just the Special Edition of the game that was $89.

Not even really sure what comes with it. I was kicking myself for not getting the GTA IV special edition.

TinyEvel
06-12-2008, 12:43 PM
I worded that wrong.

Just the Special Edition of the game that was $89.

Not even really sure what comes with it. I was kicking myself for not getting the GTA IV special edition.

includes the game and the following:

Collectible metal box
Bonus Blu-ray disc with two "making of" documentaries
four chapters of the graphic novel
Metal Gear import soundtrack

Sure-Oz
06-12-2008, 02:16 PM
I will get mgs4 but it will be later, i still need to play gta 4 more

kepp
06-12-2008, 02:37 PM
Okay...so I'm about to purchase another PS3 game (I've been playing COD4) and I'm torn between getting the Half-Life 2 "orange box edition" (which includes both version two episodes, Portal and Team Fortress 2) and MGS4. The last time I played Half-Life was the original on the PC and I had one of the MGS games on PS2 (don't remember which one). I liked them both but I liked Half-Life more. Has anyone played HL2 on the PS3? How does it compare to MSG4?

QuikSsurfer
06-12-2008, 02:42 PM
Okay...so I'm about to purchase another PS3 game (I've been playing COD4) and I'm torn between getting the Half-Life 2 "orange box edition" (which includes both version two episodes, Portal and Team Fortress 2) and MGS4. The last time I played Half-Life was the original on the PC and I had one of the MGS games on PS2 (don't remember which one). I liked them both but I liked Half-Life more. Has anyone played HL2 on the PS3? How does it compare to MSG4?

Don't get the Orange Box for PS3. A TERRIBLE port. Read up on it - the reviews will tell you. I'd recommend it on the PC but have heard awful things of the PS3 port.

TinyEvel
06-12-2008, 02:59 PM
So I got it at Best Buy this morning (there were about 30 people waiting in line for their bundle).
I also got the hardcover edition game guide.

initial load time took only about 8 minutes. OF the first 20 minutes, about 15+ are cutscenes, but kind of important to get you into the story. THis game really is like a movie that you play/control. Very nice graphics, the stereo sound really is good, too.
I haven;t played much, since it's in my office and people keep coming in with work stuff and meetings, (a VERY frustrating way to try to play any game, let alone THIS game) but so far I've liked what I've seen.

Fairplay
06-12-2008, 03:38 PM
I haven;t played much, since it's in my office and people keep coming in with work stuff and meetings, (a VERY frustrating way to try to play any game, let alone THIS game) but so far I've liked what I've seen.



How dare people bother you at work while you are playing that game! :thumb:

Keep us posted on how the game is.

Guru
06-12-2008, 04:25 PM
I worded that wrong.

Just the Special Edition of the game that was $89.

Not even really sure what comes with it. I was kicking myself for not getting the GTA IV special edition.

What is so special about "special edition" games? Aren't you buying it for the game? Why spend more for the same thing when all they are giving you is filler with the game?

TinyEvel
06-12-2008, 05:33 PM
What is so special about "special edition" games? Aren't you buying it for the game? Why spend more for the same thing when all they are giving you is filler with the game?

Gamers love souvenirs. Please don't be such a hater. First you try to squelch my toe-touch at the Planet bash bonfire and now this? :shake:

Buck
06-12-2008, 06:53 PM
Mine didn't come in a metal box, but a thick cardboard one

Fruit Ninja
06-12-2008, 07:01 PM
What is so special about "special edition" games? Aren't you buying it for the game? Why spend more for the same thing when all they are giving you is filler with the game?

I have asked this on gaming forums and people just want the special edition because they are hardcore gamers and they dont mind paying extra for an artbook or whatever. Its pretty much that simple. lol

Me? i dont care about it. I just want the damned game. lol

Moobs
06-12-2008, 07:31 PM
A load time of only 8 minutes? Heh.

Fruit Ninja
06-12-2008, 08:01 PM
A load time of only 8 minutes? Heh.

PS3 installs games on the harddrive. Thats the reason for the install. I think once its on the HD, there is no 8 min.

TinyEvel
06-12-2008, 08:12 PM
PS3 installs games on the harddrive. Thats the reason for the install. I think once its on the HD, there is no 8 min.

correct.

TinyEvel
06-12-2008, 08:13 PM
How dare people bother you at work while you are playing that game! :thumb:


Yeah, well my job is making ads for PlayStation so it kind of IS work. PBJ

You should see the life-sized Helghan statue we have in our office.

Guru
06-12-2008, 08:40 PM
Gamers love souvenirs. Please don't be such a hater. First you try to squelch my toe-touch at the Planet bash bonfire and now this? :shake:

Not a hater. Just never understood paying extra for special edition content is all.

And that toe touch was just plain scary!!!!!:eek:

Tried to get my Sony card tonight but the electricity farted out on me just as I was about to write down my new Sony card number to get the $100 credit offer. Now I have to wait two extra days for Chase to overnight my card to me by Saturday.

It will be nice to get a BD player for only a little over $20 per month for 18 months AND get a $100 credit to boot. Much better than forking over $399 up front.

kepp
06-13-2008, 06:28 AM
Don't get the Orange Box for PS3. A TERRIBLE port. Read up on it - the reviews will tell you. I'd recommend it on the PC but have heard awful things of the PS3 port.

I decided to get MGS4 and, while I was standing in line, saw a used copy of Gran Turismo 5. So I grabbed it too. And then, the kid only charged me for MGS4 :)

Fairplay
06-13-2008, 07:05 AM
Yeah, well my job is making ads for PlayStation so it kind of IS work. PBJ

You should see the life-sized Helghan statue we have in our office.


I knew you did ad work so i knew it was cool. I do PlayStation work as well. A sony guy told me that works in their quality control said that the PS3 is one of the best BR players out there. They have to test out all the players out there to make sure it all works and solve issues. I'm sure he wasn't biased.

irishjayhawk
06-13-2008, 07:21 AM
I knew you did ad work so i knew it was cool. I do PlayStation work as well. A sony guy told me that works in their quality control said that the PS3 is one of the best BR players out there. They have to test out all the players out there to make sure it all works and solve issues. I'm sure he wasn't biased.

It is the best because it has firmware updates. They update something and bam, you get the update because it's all software based. Thus, you don't have to buy new hardware.

TinyEvel
06-13-2008, 08:40 AM
Plus, it's the only Blu-Ray player that lets you play MGS4 :)

bishop_74
06-13-2008, 08:45 AM
I got this last night. I got the PS3 when it first came out a year and a half ago and this is the FIRST game I have purchased for it. Love it so far.

Swanman
06-13-2008, 08:45 AM
It is the best because it has firmware updates. They update something and bam, you get the update because it's all software based. Thus, you don't have to buy new hardware.

There are 1 or 2 players that may be better than the PS3 due to certain hardware limitations of the PS3 (not being able to bitstream the HD audio codecs), but they come at a much higher price tag than the PS3. As far as value/quality, the PS3 is by far the best player.

irishjayhawk
06-13-2008, 09:33 AM
There are 1 or 2 players that may be better than the PS3 due to certain hardware limitations of the PS3 (not being able to bitstream the HD audio codecs), but they come at a much higher price tag than the PS3. As far as value/quality, the PS3 is by far the best player.

Yes, but as I said, those players don't have to my knowledge firmware updates via online.

kepp
06-13-2008, 10:57 AM
...certain hardware limitations of the PS3 (not being able to bitstream the HD audio codecs)

Off on a tangent - I am unable to get my receiver to recognize DTS or Dolby SS when playing blu-ray discs and outputting the audio through the optical connection. It handles the audio from "old" DVDs fine - the receiver recognizes the input as DTS/Dolby. Could this be the problem? Any known fixes?

aturnis
06-13-2008, 08:59 PM
I got it last night....good timing too with the massive flood here in C.R. Although I am already kicking myself for not having bought a huge expensive t.v.

ZootedGranny
06-13-2008, 09:19 PM
I'm really digging the game so far, but I still have problems with some of the series' mainstays.

1. David Hayter's ridiculous voice reading for Snake. I'm sure it's by design, but the constant overdelivery of lines is comical by now.

2. The cutscenes. I don't have a problem with the content this time around, only the execution. Over the past couple of years, developers have found out ways to effectively deliver the narrative through gameplay, and while that's not Kojima's style, inserting twenty seconds of gameplay between five to ten minutes of cutscenes is not the way to go.

The worst offense so far was a two to three minute cutscene showing allies descending down an elevator shaft. You are then given control, which you use to simply walk a few steps into the shaft, which then triggers another cutscene that runs nearly 5 minutes. Give me a ****ing break Kojima. Either make it one cutscene, or allow me to play the game.

3. My last complaint isn't restricted to the MGS series, but since I was reminded of it: characters performing basic functions in cutscenes that the player himself cannot do. In normal gameplay, your movement is somewhat constrained, especially in regards to speed. In cutscenes, Snake is running like Jesse Owens. C'MON BRAH LEMME MOVE FASTER.

Still, complaints aside, I'm still really digging the game, even if it is a thinly veiled exercise in Kojima indulging in gun porn and expressing his worldly views.

irishjayhawk
06-14-2008, 02:48 PM
So far so good. I really need to replay all of them again.

@ZootedGranny -

Do you disagree with Kojima's message?

ZootedGranny
06-14-2008, 03:44 PM
Thinking about it, I don't have a problem with his message, but the melodramatic way in which he delivers it. He could use some lessons in brevity.

I am loving the game thus far, but just last night I fought Laughing Octopus, and the explanation for how the character came to be was some of the most comical ****ing nonsense I've ever heard.

aturnis
06-14-2008, 05:44 PM
I love the MGS series, the thing I have more than anything though, is the goddamned retarded enemies with some sort of "power". The in game realism is great, the stories unbelievability is laughable. Also giant robots are gay, and they have been getting more and more stupid. Rex was believable, Ray was a little over the top, and the latest Mooing and excreting breed is the dumbest of all. Am I the only one who loves this game but HATES the majority of sci-fi / fantasy?

irishjayhawk
06-14-2008, 09:43 PM
I love the MGS series, the thing I have more than anything though, is the goddamned retarded enemies with some sort of "power". The in game realism is great, the stories unbelievability is laughable. Also giant robots are gay, and they have been getting more and more stupid. Rex was believable, Ray was a little over the top, and the latest Mooing and excreting breed is the dumbest of all. Am I the only one who loves this game but HATES the majority of sci-fi / fantasy?

I just accept them as part of Metal Gear. Rex in the original was the best, so far. But then again, that was in 99. We should have the same reaction to that then as we do to these now.

irishjayhawk
06-14-2008, 09:45 PM
Thinking about it, I don't have a problem with his message, but the melodramatic way in which he delivers it. He could use some lessons in brevity.

I am loving the game thus far, but just last night I fought Laughing Octopus, and the explanation for how the character came to be was some of the most comical ****ing nonsense I've ever heard.

It's comical in some ways but pretty interesting in others. It's comical that he came up with something like that but it's not comical a deeper level: war hurts.


And it just hit me, you mean the "her village story". Yes, that was unnecessary.

little jacob
06-14-2008, 09:58 PM
i dont want spoilers so i'm not reading most of the thread. rate it for me those of you who have it. must buy?

irishjayhawk
06-14-2008, 10:07 PM
i dont want spoilers so i'm not reading most of the thread. rate it for me those of you who have it. must buy?

All MGS games are must buys.

irishjayhawk
06-15-2008, 02:11 AM
Just passed Act 3. Holy f*cking shit. Bad f*cking ass.

ZootedGranny
06-15-2008, 05:40 AM
Yeah, all story complaints aside, every single act has been better than the last, and it is constantly blowing my mind.

aturnis
06-15-2008, 09:21 PM
Where is it that you can see what percentage of the game you have completed?

Or better yet, how many acts are there? and how long is each?

irishjayhawk
06-15-2008, 09:24 PM
Where is it that you can see what percentage of the game you have completed?

Or better yet, how many acts are there? and how long is each?

5 acts and they seemingly get longer as you go. THat said, I'm in 4 I think and it seems rather short as a whole. So far.....

little jacob
06-16-2008, 02:08 PM
the install was 8 minutes.

this game is incredible. the PS3 console is really starting to produce some amazing stuff.

irishjayhawk
06-16-2008, 10:34 PM
the install was 8 minutes.

this game is incredible. the PS3 console is really starting to produce some amazing stuff.

After finally playing with the PS3 (after having a 360 for a long while) I have to say I like it better. I like their menu system rather than the blades. I like the graphics better (they ARE better). I like the quietness. I like pretty much everything over the 360 except for: Xbox LIVE and the actual hardware design of the system.

TinyEvel
06-16-2008, 10:35 PM
After finally playing with the PS3 (after having a 360 for a long while) I have to say I like it better. I like their menu system rather than the blades. I like the graphics better (they ARE better). I like the quietness. I like pretty much everything over the 360 except for: Xbox LIVE and the actual hardware design of the system.

WELCOME BROTHER!!!!!!!

(be careful the CP 360 guys might kick you out of their club!)

irishjayhawk
06-16-2008, 10:39 PM
WELCOME BROTHER!!!!!!!

(be careful the CP 360 guys might kick you out of their club!)

:p

It's interesting because before the 360 I was a huge Sony Playstation fan. Had the 1 and then 2. And had to constantly defend 2 against the XBoX due to its release a full year before XBOX, which accounted for the hardware differences.

Sure-Oz
06-16-2008, 11:36 PM
I thought this thread was about sharron collins, my bad

irishjayhawk
06-17-2008, 02:02 PM
Overall, superb game.

My cons:

- Too short
- Epilogue was kinda bad, I thought.

little jacob
06-17-2008, 02:22 PM
my only gripe about the control is that if you are taking cover behind something and want to shoot over it, there's no option to pop up and fire. you have to use triangle to get off the wall then X to manually stand up and shoot, exposing yourself to gunfire for much longer.

and i dont like how it moves you up to a kneeling position if you are crawling on your stomach and try to crawl over a body. that got me detected once.

overall fantastic game stilk. i saw IGN gave it a perfect 10.

irishjayhawk
06-17-2008, 06:09 PM
So I'll elaborate:



SPOILERS

Story wise, I thought it was pretty weak. I liked some aspects of the story and hated a lot of the rest. I loved the ties, even if they were obvious, to MGS of previous. And I loved some of the continued story lines (Meryl & Snake, Raiden, Naomi). However, it didn't feel very continuous. And the epilouge was pretty lame, I thought. I just felt it didn't live up to the rest of the stories and tried too much to bring Snake Eater into the fold.

Graphics wise, it's simply amazing. Like MGS1, MGS4 revolutionizes graphics again. Blows everything away. The cut scenes, while long in areas, were amazing. My favorite was a tie between Raiden's entrance and Big Mama evacuating the premises.

Presentation wise, it has revolutionized games. The music blew me away. The scenes, flashbacks, the way the story (however bad) was told, the gameplay and cinema dual screen and the audio really, really sent this. It overcame the story itself.

Finally, the biggest gripe was the length. I was anticipating a 50 hour game. And I beat it in 18. And that's with the good 3-4 hours of cutscenes. That was the most disappointing thing. The last of the saga happened to be the shortest. And I don't know if that's because I got older and therefore it got easier or if it was simply truncated.

I'd love for them to go back and completely update MGS 1 and 2. Oh, that'd be sweet.

Valiant
06-17-2008, 06:20 PM
I have only played it a little bit, since my roommate bought it.. Looks amazing.. Roommate hates it though because it is too short.. He says he has beaten it three times, which is possible since he took a vacation day off to play.. Never beaten the other ones, are they all this short??

irishjayhawk
06-17-2008, 06:21 PM
I have only played it a little bit, since my roommate bought it.. Looks amazing.. Roommate hates it though because it is too short.. He says he has beaten it three times, which is possible since he took a vacation day off to play.. Never beaten the other ones, are they all this short??

No. MGS1 and 2 were long. And had better stories.

This one shit on their stories, frankly. Though in and of itself, its a good story but it didn't follow the other ones.

It's a damn good game with good gameplay and even better presentation. Just short.

irishjayhawk
06-18-2008, 10:30 PM
No one else finish?

ZootedGranny
06-19-2008, 02:11 AM
As a whole, MGS4 exceeded my expectations. Gameplay wise, I enjoyed it more than some of the other notable titles of the past year, like Halo 3, GTA IV, CoD4 and the like.

In previous Metal Gear games, I felt limited by the controls being too obtuse and clunky. Paired with the extended alert stages, simply being seen by an enemy was an instant exercise in annoyance, with your options being kill the enemy and then bring on stronger, larger forces, or play the waiting game by hiding in a corner and laying still until the alert went away two to three minutes later.

While the controls are still clunky in MGS4, the improvements made to the first person perspective, and the additions of the octocamo and Drebin's shop make for a more enjoyable experience. They all open the game up to be played as more of a pure action game, and the octocamo allows you to quickly hide should you not want to go that route. Not having to constantly access my camoflauge patterns via a menu ala MGS3 eased my suffering, and Drebin always being on call doesn't restrict you to the type of ammo hording I experienced in MGS2.

My biggest complaint with MGS is its convoluted cast of characters and ridiculous multi-threaded story. MGS4 attempts to rectify that by filling you in on what you've missed, but they fail in their attempt to do so by going too far into the minutiae. I wanted the info that was on a Need-to-know-basis, but instead was deluged with detail after detail about previous MGS plot points that, seven years removed from MGS2 and 4 after MGS3, I either completely forgot, or never cared about in the first place. By the end of the game, what would be huge plot twists to the hardcore MGS fan had me simply sitting there almost oblivious. That said, despite their shortcoming, clearly the hardcore fan could've gotten exactly what they wanted from the game's story.

Now that that block of text is out of the way, here's my quick list of spoiler heavy thoughts that I don't feel like expanding upon in paragraph form.


Thumbs down list:

-Screen transition from young Eva's cleavage to old Eva's horrifying cleavage.
-The neverending Tekken fight to close the game, which just seemed to serve as a reason to play a bunch of old MGS themes.
-The Gekkos not being as dynamic as the cutscenes would have you believe. There should've been more close quarters encounters with them that showed just how nimble and deadly they are.
-Snake being able to run in cutscenes, but when you control him he's slow as ****.
-The stupid marriage proposal scene towards the end of the game. Snake is near death, and these two clowns are ****in around.
-Snake picking up the barrel Akiba just sprayed with his shit.

Thumbs up list:

-The on rails sequences. I'm not a fan of scenes where the risk is low and the interaction matches it, but I thought they were both a nice reprieve from the action, and they looked absolutely incredible to match.
-Which reminds me, the in-engine post processed cutscenes were amazing. Not quite on the level of Crysis, but closer than I expected them to be.
-Upon the introduction of Rat Patrol member Jonathan, him sitting up revealing his exclamation point haircut and the simultaneous alert sound effect. Corny, but I liked it.
-The Crying Wolf pre-fight cutscene that clued me in that she could only really see the light on the Solid Eye. Dropping the Solid Eye and using a silenced sniper rifle, I took out the boss and every Frog solider without incident. I wasn't clued in on the tactic via codec, and thus felt rewarded when it worked.



There's more I'll think of later, but that's a decent summation of my current thoughts.

TinyEvel
06-19-2008, 08:54 AM
SECRET WEAPONS VIDEO!!!!

THis video shows some secret weapons you can get in the game. My favorite is the old japanese gun that evokes a "divine wind" (tornado) on your enemies.

http://www.ps3fanboy.com/2008/06/19/the-incredible-secret-weapons-of-mgs4/


too bad it doesn't show HOW or WHERE to get them :cuss: I'll have to scour my game guide...

irishjayhawk
06-19-2008, 10:37 AM
As a whole, MGS4 exceeded my expectations. Gameplay wise, I enjoyed it more than some of the other notable titles of the past year, like Halo 3, GTA IV, CoD4 and the like.

In previous Metal Gear games, I felt limited by the controls being too obtuse and clunky. Paired with the extended alert stages, simply being seen by an enemy was an instant exercise in annoyance, with your options being kill the enemy and then bring on stronger, larger forces, or play the waiting game by hiding in a corner and laying still until the alert went away two to three minutes later.

While the controls are still clunky in MGS4, the improvements made to the first person perspective, and the additions of the octocamo and Drebin's shop make for a more enjoyable experience. They all open the game up to be played as more of a pure action game, and the octocamo allows you to quickly hide should you not want to go that route. Not having to constantly access my camoflauge patterns via a menu ala MGS3 eased my suffering, and Drebin always being on call doesn't restrict you to the type of ammo hording I experienced in MGS2.

My biggest complaint with MGS is its convoluted cast of characters and ridiculous multi-threaded story. MGS4 attempts to rectify that by filling you in on what you've missed, but they fail in their attempt to do so by going too far into the minutiae. I wanted the info that was on a Need-to-know-basis, but instead was deluged with detail after detail about previous MGS plot points that, seven years removed from MGS2 and 4 after MGS3, I either completely forgot, or never cared about in the first place. By the end of the game, what would be huge plot twists to the hardcore MGS fan had me simply sitting there almost oblivious. That said, despite their shortcoming, clearly the hardcore fan could've gotten exactly what they wanted from the game's story.

Now that that block of text is out of the way, here's my quick list of spoiler heavy thoughts that I don't feel like expanding upon in paragraph form.


Thumbs down list:

-Screen transition from young Eva's cleavage to old Eva's horrifying cleavage.
-The neverending Tekken fight to close the game, which just seemed to serve as a reason to play a bunch of old MGS themes.
-The Gekkos not being as dynamic as the cutscenes would have you believe. There should've been more close quarters encounters with them that showed just how nimble and deadly they are.
-Snake being able to run in cutscenes, but when you control him he's slow as ****.
-The stupid marriage proposal scene towards the end of the game. Snake is near death, and these two clowns are ****in around.
-Snake picking up the barrel Akiba just sprayed with his shit.

Thumbs up list:

-The on rails sequences. I'm not a fan of scenes where the risk is low and the interaction matches it, but I thought they were both a nice reprieve from the action, and they looked absolutely incredible to match.
-Which reminds me, the in-engine post processed cutscenes were amazing. Not quite on the level of Crysis, but closer than I expected them to be.
-Upon the introduction of Rat Patrol member Jonathan, him sitting up revealing his exclamation point haircut and the simultaneous alert sound effect. Corny, but I liked it.
-The Crying Wolf pre-fight cutscene that clued me in that she could only really see the light on the Solid Eye. Dropping the Solid Eye and using a silenced sniper rifle, I took out the boss and every Frog solider without incident. I wasn't clued in on the tactic via codec, and thus felt rewarded when it worked.



There's more I'll think of later, but that's a decent summation of my current thoughts.

I don't know, I thought MGS 1 and 2's story was top notch. This one kinda shit on it. But it did wrap things up.

Rausch
09-29-2008, 03:22 PM
Ok, just got a chance to play MGS4 and I'm not impressed.

Graphics are kick ass but I'm getting fragged before I can clear a wasted middle eastern city block.

You can't kill anyone or a mob of baddies slaughters you. So far I can't sneak much further than the APC the troops unload out of at the start of the game.

Buck
09-29-2008, 03:25 PM
I got all the way through ACT 4, each act was kickass, but I don't want to play 5 because then I'd be done with the game. Its been like 2 months since I stopped playing.

aturnis
09-29-2008, 07:43 PM
Ok, just got a chance to play MGS4 and I'm not impressed.

Graphics are kick ass but I'm getting fragged before I can clear a wasted middle eastern city block.

You can't kill anyone or a mob of baddies slaughters you. So far I can't sneak much further than the APC the troops unload out of at the start of the game.

Kind of the point of the game, and why it's so great. It's for a more patient tactical player. Not your average run and gun shooter.

irishjayhawk
09-29-2008, 08:38 PM
Ok, just got a chance to play MGS4 and I'm not impressed.

Graphics are kick ass but I'm getting fragged before I can clear a wasted middle eastern city block.

You can't kill anyone or a mob of baddies slaughters you. So far I can't sneak much further than the APC the troops unload out of at the start of the game.

You're not impressed because you suck?

Guru
09-29-2008, 10:39 PM
Ok, just got a chance to play MGS4 and I'm not impressed.

Graphics are kick ass but I'm getting fragged before I can clear a wasted middle eastern city block.

You can't kill anyone or a mob of baddies slaughters you. So far I can't sneak much further than the APC the troops unload out of at the start of the game.
Don't be a quitter man!!!

I hated the first MGS and wasn't going to try 4 at all. Changed my mind. The game is outstanding, though I could have lived without the 10 minute cutscenes.

Guru
09-29-2008, 10:40 PM
You're not impressed because you suck?
LMAO

irishjayhawk
09-29-2008, 10:41 PM
Don't be a quitter man!!!

I hated the first MGS and wasn't going to try 4 at all. Changed my mind. The game is outstanding, though I could have lived without the 10 minute cutscenes.

You hated the first MGS? :eek:

Do tell.

Guru
09-29-2008, 10:49 PM
You hated the first MGS? :eek:

Do tell.
I didn't like that it required you to be stealth at times. I want the option to just kill them if I have to. 4 allowed me to make that choice when the situation got bad.

I also hated the overhead camera angle system.

EDIT

Also, I went back and tried it again after finishing 4 and still didn't like it. Too spoiled by the free camera of 4 now. heh

irishjayhawk
09-29-2008, 10:54 PM
I didn't like that it required you to be stealth at times. I want the option to just kill them if I have to. 4 allowed me to make that choice when the situation got bad.

I also hated the overhead camera angle system.

EDIT

Also, I went back and tried it again after finishing 4 and still didn't like it. Too spoiled by the free camera of 4 now. heh

I loved MGS. None of my friends were really into it, but for some reason it just blew me away. I will admit I like going FPS at times, but it was also kind of spoiling the MGS way. :p

I killed a lot of people in MGS 1. Who couldn't you kill?

Guru
09-29-2008, 11:07 PM
I loved MGS. None of my friends were really into it, but for some reason it just blew me away. I will admit I like going FPS at times, but it was also kind of spoiling the MGS way. :p

I killed a lot of people in MGS 1. Who couldn't you kill?
I don't remember the specifics as I didn't get too far into it. I just really suck at stealth is all. Whenever killing a person caused a restart, it just pissed me off. There were a few areas that required you to complete it in stealth though.

It was enough to make me hate the experience.