What in Obama's past qualifies him for the Presidency?

[Programmer]

??????????

[little jacob]

he was a state senator in illinois for a couple years.

[banyon]

Raiduhs

[recxjake]

Cocai.... nevermind

[banyon]

Cocai.... nevermind

That would be two in a row.

[recxjake]

That would be two in a row.

What?

[banyon]

What?

Coke fiends, that is.

[Programmer]

Raiduhs

Of course that means that you don't have anything to justify the democratic need for qualified candidates. They have stated the experience that McCain has is not good enough. What has Obama done? I'd be happy to hear one thing he has done for each of the items the dems have denied of McCains experience, just one good one would be a start.

[banyon]

Of course that means that you don't have anything to justify the democratic need for qualified candidates. They have stated the experience that McCain has is not good enough. What has Obama done? I'd be happy to hear one thing he has done for each of the items the dems have denied of McCains experience, just one good one would be a start.

Boy, you've sure got my number! Bravo, what a tremendously insightful thread you've created where you managed to expose all that disagree with you! I don't know what I ever could have been thinking supporting Obama.

I don't want to call it too soon, but history may look back on this internet thread as the real turning point in the 2008 Presidential Election, where McCain's momentum reached a real critical mass.

[Programmer]

Boy, you've sure got my number! Bravo, what a tremendously insightful thread you've created where you managed to expose all that disagree with you! I don't know what I ever could have been thinking supporting Obama.

I don't want to call it too soon, but history may look back on this internet thread as the real turning point in the 2008 Presidential Election, where McCain's momentum reached a real critical mass.

So you are not going to post any qualifications that he has compared to those of McCains the dems have shot down?

That tells me volumes about your political savvy.

[banyon]

So you are not going to post any qualifications that he has compared to those of McCains the dems have shot down?

That tells me volumes about your political savvy.

How could I? They're aren't any! You've totally exposed the Democratic nominee supported by millions of people as a fraud! You're right, though, I can only wish I had your political "savvy".

[Nightwish]

What in any candidate's past has qualified him for the Presidency. The list of necessary qualifications and prerequisites for the Presidency is shockingly short. Chief among them is political savvy, charisma, and the ability to talk the people into putting you there. Lacking that, then your chief qualification had better be some very strong family ties who can pull strings at the highest levels (ala Bush).

Military experience means exactly jack squat as a qualifier for the Presidency.

Bush, Jr. was a military coward, and he got elected twice.

Clinton was a military coward, and he got elected twice.

Bush, Sr. was a war hero, but was arguably one of the weaker Presidents in recent memory.

Reagan was one of the best Presidents we've had in our lifetime, and his entire military career was served out as a pencil-pusher serving stateside throughout the entirety of WWII.

Carter served on Atlantic and Pacific fleets in the Navy during the Korean war, but didn't see action. He was also widely viewed as a weak President.

Gerald Ford, another unremarkable President, also saw action while serving in the Navy during WWII.

Overall, it seems that the Presidents who have had the most impact in the Oval Office (Bush II, Clinton, Reagan) were the ones who had the least stellar military careers, while those who actually served in theaters of war (Carter) and/or saw direct action (Bush I, Ford) turned out to be among the more forgettable Presidents. To find a President that was widely considered a good President and who had had an impressive military career, you have to go all the way back to JFK.

[little jacob]

he served in Vietnam

oh, wait, wrong election

[Programmer]

What in any candidate's past has qualified him for the Presidency. The list of necessary qualifications and prerequisites for the Presidency is shockingly short. Chief among them is political savvy, charisma, and the ability to talk the people into putting you there. Lacking that, then your chief qualification had better be some very strong family ties who can pull strings at the highest levels (ala Bush).

Military experience means exactly jack squat as a qualifier for the Presidency.

Bush, Jr. was a military coward, and he got elected twice.

Clinton was a military coward, and he got elected twice.

Bush, Sr. was a war hero, but was arguably one of the weaker Presidents in recent memory.

Reagan was one of the best Presidents we've had in our lifetime, and his entire military career was served out as a pencil-pusher serving stateside throughout the entirety of WWII.

Carter served on Atlantic and Pacific fleets in the Navy during the Korean war, but didn't see action. He was also widely viewed as a weak President.

Gerald Ford, another unremarkable President, also saw action while serving in the Navy during WWII.

Overall, it seems that the Presidents who have had the most impact in the Oval Office (Bush II, Clinton, Reagan) were the ones who had the least stellar military careers, while those who actually served in theaters of war (Carter) and/or saw direct action (Bush I, Ford) turned out to be among the more forgettable Presidents. To find a President that was widely considered a good President and who had had an impressive military career, you have to go all the way back to JFK.

If you eliminate any reference to McCains military past he still has qualifications that trump those of Obama.

Base your commentary on the fact that neither of the two have military history.

I find the experience levels very divergent and tips the scales heavily in McCains favor.

I may be biased towards McCain, but I can find exactly zero reasons to believe that Obama can claim any achievements in his political career that would sway my decision.

[Nightwish]

Given the track record over the past 50 years of military record compared to Presidential record, I'd say Obama's lack of a military gives him an enormous advantage.

[Programmer]

How could I? They're aren't any! You've totally exposed the Democratic nominee supported by millions of people as a fraud! You're right, though, I can only wish I had your political "savvy".

I didn't claim I had any political savvy, but your inability to convince me that Obama has any qualities that would change my opinion of how he would lead this country. I voted for Carter and Clinton once. If I felt one was a better candidate over the other I'd vote that way. At the moment your guy has no database of qualifying achievements.

[Programmer]

Given the track record over the past 50 years of military record compared to Presidential record, I'd say Obama's lack of a military gives him an enormous advantage.

I don't agree. What has he done in his political life that should impress me enough to change my opinion of him?

[Nightwish]

If you eliminate any reference to McCains military past he still has qualifications that trump those of Obama.
Such as?

I find the experience levels very divergent and tips the scales heavily in McCains favor.
Depends on which experiences you find most qualifying. If you prefer experience with sitting at a desk and upholding the pomposity of office, then yeah, it definately favors McCain. If you prefer digging in the dirt and working with common people on their level, then it heavily favors Obama.

I may be biased towards McCain, but I can find exactly zero reasons to believe that Obama can claim any achievements in his political career that would sway my decision.
I assume that the only part of Obama's political career your looking at is his stint in the US Senate. Look at the many years he spent in low-level positions, even before his career in the state legislature, and you'll see a different picture.

[banyon]

I didn't claim I had any political savvy, but your inability to convince me that Obama has any qualities that would change my opinion of how he would lead this country. I voted for Carter and Clinton once. If I felt one was a better candidate over the other I'd vote that way. At the moment your guy has no database of qualifying achievements.

Right again. How dare I imply you had political savvy. Very presumptuous of me indeed. And as you correctly and beyond all doubt state, I have no ability to convince you of anything.

[Programmer]

Right again. How dare I imply you had political savvy. Very presumptuous of me indeed. And as you correctly and beyond all doubt state, I have no ability to convince you of anything.

Juvenile responses from someone that claims to be a knowledgeable person?

By your lack of answers and only smartass replies it leads me to believe that you have no basis for your political stance.

Point taken, you have no answer and cannot come up with one.

[banyon]

Juvenile responses from someone that claims to be a knowledgeable person?

By your lack of answers and only smartass replies it leads me to believe that you have no basis for your political stance.

Point taken, you have no answer and cannot come up with one.

No basis whatsoever. Your insight truly knows no bounds. There's just no way, knowing my limitations as you've pointed them out, that I could even feign to attempt to answer the truly though provoking and complex test of mental acument that you've posited to this forum, nay to the world itself.

[Programmer]

Such as?

ME: Participating in leadership positions during his senate career might be considered a plus.


Depends on which experiences you find most qualifying. If you prefer experience with sitting at a desk and upholding the pomposity of office, then yeah, it definately favors McCain. If you prefer digging in the dirt and working with common people on their level, then it heavily favors Obama.

ME: Since when has Obama done more than a PR attempt to connect with the common American? I presume that you find no redeeming value in McCains years of service in the Senate. Opinions on the matter vary.


I assume that the only part of Obama's political career your looking at is his stint in the US Senate. Look at the many years he spent in low-level positions, even before his career in the state legislature, and you'll see a different picture.

ME: Such as?

[Programmer]

No basis whatsoever. Your insight truly knows no bounds. There's just no way, knowing my limitations as you've pointed them out, that I could even feign to attempt to answer the truly though provoking and complex test of mental acument that you've posited to this forum, nay to the world itself.


You won't or can't answer simple questions, my bet is that you can't.

Good night.

[banyon]

You won't or can't answer simple questions, my bet is that you can't.

Good night.

Yep, nailed me again. Wow. You are really showing some inspired thinking today.

I am also certain that when you say "good night" that means you will not be posting again tonight. Such a shame since your posts today were so transcendent.

[little jacob]

You won't or can't answer simple questions, my bet is that you can't.

Good night.

although i think banyon is mistaken about a great many things he is one of the more honest people i have debated around here i think.

[banyon]

although i think banyon is mistaken about a great many things he is one of the more honest people i have debated around here i think.

Aw shucks.

You'll ruin Tom's perception that I persecute everyone who is to the right of me. :p

[Programmer]

Aw shucks.

You'll ruin Tom's perception that I persecute everyone who is to the right of me. :p

You have just exhibited how small of a person you are.

It's a shame that anyone gives you any accolades.

[|Zach|]

It's a shame that anyone gives you any accolades.

Well look who seems to be keeping score. LMAO

[banyon]

You have just exhibited how small of a person you are.

It's a shame that anyone gives you any accolades.

I thought it was good night?

Did I say something to offend you in this thread, as opposed to the numerous insults you have piled against me?

[whoman69]

Let's look at the experience of a historical person:
/volunteered to serve in a war he had opposed
/one term state representative
/five terms US House including chair of Judiciary Committee
/US Ambassador to Russia two years
/served as a manager to congress in the impeachment of a federal judge
11 years in US Senate including chair of Foreign Relations
/nominated for US Supreme Court vacancy which he turned down
/Secretary of State during wartime, and negotiated a major treaty with the world's major superpower
/served on the board of trustees for one of the oldest colleges in the country
/served as ambassador to England 4 years

Wow, what a great resume. Its no wonder that James Buchanan was elected President.

Lets try another, this is fun:
/orphaned at age 10, went on to be an office boy in uncle's real estate firm
did not attend high school but took night courses
/graduated from Stanford with degree in geology
/began career as surveyor for USGS
/became one of the most sought after geological engineers
/trapped in a country marred in civil war, said to have directed building of barricades, said to have put his life in danger to rescue children
/became millionaire in part due to a process to extract zinc previously unrecoverable in mining, and from his expertise in mine management
/became highly sought after mining consultant and lecturer, writing books on the subject which were require reading for many years
/at the outbreak of war served as a volunteer to pass out food, clothing and to get non-combatants out of harm's way, was said to have help 120,000 return home to the US
/averted a major starvation crisis in the war zone by putting together donations and grants for millions of dollars monthly
/was put in charge by the President of the Food Administration which oversaw rationing of food to allow the soldiers to be better fed
/oversaw postwar relief efforts for the starving in Europe no matter which side they had fought upon
/Took over as Secretary of Commerce, a minor post, but seized control of responsibilites of other cabinet department he deemed not doing their jobs that he was called Secretary of Commerce, under-secretary of everything else
/oversaw one of the largest business booms in the history of the US
/despite the fact it was outside the commerce department, was chosen by the President to manage response to a record flood of the Mississippi, mobilized efforts to control the extent of flooding and for more than a year worked to stamp out diseased caused by the flood.

Wow, self-made man who became a millionaire business manager, practically ran the government for eight boom years. Its no wonder Herbert Hoover was elected President.

Just one more please:
/parents ran a small store in a small town for nine years
/attended a small college where he majored in economics and sociology
/after graduation went to several small towns to get into radio broadcasting which he was able to do by doing play by play for games which came to him over the wires
/had a screen test with Warner Brothers that began a long career in B movies
/enlisted in the Army reserve several years before the US entered the war but did not serve overseas because of nearsightedness
/served as a liason in the calvary but was then transferred to Public relations to gain money for the war drive and to do training films
/became member of the Board of the Screen actors guild, rose to Vice President. He was elected President when then President and six other board members were forced to resign under stricter conflict-of-interest bylaws. Was elected to seven one year terms.
/When his movie career stagnated he started a television career, though he was a critic of the medium. Part of his job was to travel around the country for his show's sponsor and give speeches on their behalf. Was eventually fired for being too politically controversial.
/Commited the unforgivable political sin of being divorced
/after giving a rousing speech which earned a large sum of money for a presidential candidate who would lose in a landslide only days later he was convinced to run for Governor of California
/served two four year terms as Governor in which he admitted his inexperience led him to sign into a law a bill allowing for abortions to come out of the back alleys
/ran for President after having been in office less than a year
/ran for President again after leaving office and was narrowly defeated for the nomination

Hmm, not much experience there unless you count being a second rate actor and President of SAG by default. Who would have thought that communication skills would be so important to President Ronald Reagan?

What it all comes down to is that experience is not always the key to a successful presidency. Judgement and leadership along with a grasp of the issues would seem more important. There are certain things about being President that experience just cannot prepare one for.

[Adept Havelock]

Aw shucks.

You'll ruin Tom's perception that I persecute everyone who is to the right of me. :p

Is he still denying he's Tom? I'd think the thread in the main forum put that to rest, but it's still pretty damned humorous.

[|Zach|]

Is he still denying he's Tom? I'd think the thread in the main forum put that to rest, but it's still pretty damned humorous.

Link?

[Adept Havelock]

Link?

http://chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=186311

It's a somewhat funny read. Apparently he's been sending his typical PM's as well. Same old Tom.

It's why I put him back on iggy. You can only watch a beaten dog like Tom crawl back so many times, desperate for attention, before it just becomes sickening to watch.

[Nightwish]

Is he still denying he's Tom? I'd think the thread in the main forum put that to rest, but it's still pretty damned humorous.
I was kind of suspecting, but I wasn't sure. Did we decide that that other login (I can't remember which one it was, now, the one pretending to be liberal) was Kotter?

[Adept Havelock]

I was kind of suspecting, but I wasn't sure. Did we decide that that other login (I can't remember which one it was, now, the one pretending to be liberal) was Kotter?

Max Sleeper? No confirmation, but that's my (and quite a few others) hunch.

[jAZ]

He was a POW. The media says that all POW's should be President, so I guess that's good.

[Nightwish]

Max Sleeper? No confirmation, but that's my (and quite a few others) hunch.
Yep, that's the one.

[Adept Havelock]

He was a POW. The media says that all POW's should be President, so I guess that's good.

Not all of them. I don't trust that "Security" guy. Somethings not right about him...

.

[Pitt Gorilla]

This is easy:

He's a natural-born US citizen, >35 years of age, and has lived in the US for at least 14 years.

[Logical]

This is easy:

He's a natural-born US citizen, >35 years of age, and has lived in the US for at least 14 years.I am not being a smartass, but why would 14 years play into it. As I understand it as a US Born citizen of 35 he qualifies.

[Logical]

You know one other thing about many great Presidents besides knowing how to delegate they were great communicators.

I ask you do you consider John McCain a great communicator?

[Programmer]

This is easy:

He's a natural-born US citizen, >35 years of age, and has lived in the US for at least 14 years.

Which states that he has no experience but meets the minimum requirements for running for the office.

Not a single democrat/liberal has posted experience that is anything that can be used to convince someone to vote for him.

Good job.

[Programmer]

http://chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=186311

It's a somewhat funny read. Apparently he's been sending his typical PM's as well. Same old Tom.

It's why I put him back on iggy. You can only watch a beaten dog like Tom crawl back so many times, desperate for attention, before it just becomes sickening to watch.

this is :BS: you are posting again. You don't have me on iggy. loser

[Programmer]

You know one other thing about many great Presidents besides knowing how to delegate they were great communicators.

I ask you do you consider John McCain a great communicator?

No, but he is not a snake oil salesman either.

The only things that have been said are attacks against McCains qualifications and experience, i.e. Gen. Clarks comments.

I've yet to see any substantial feedback that is comparative enough to cause me to change my vote.

[Programmer]

He was a POW. The media says that all POW's should be President, so I guess that's good.

Haven't been reading? Eliminate all military references to McCain as if he never served. That puts McCain and Obama on level ground.

What has Obama done that gives him the experience to lead the nation? In the same light, what has McCain done? Compare apples to apples here.

[Sully]

Anyone seen my strawman?
Oh... here it is.
Thanks for finding it for me, Roy Tom!

[Programmer]

Anyone seen my strawman?
Oh... here it is.
Thanks for finding it for me, Roy Tom!

You need to figure out that there is a question out here that can sway votes.

What has Obama done to gain experience needed to be president?

[jettio]

The primary qualification for being President is getting the most electoral college votes on election day.

[Taco John]

What has Obama done to gain experience needed to be president?


Gathered more delegates than his opponents.

[BIG_DADDY]

You must be a racist.

[Programmer]

The primary qualification for being President is getting the most electoral college votes on election day.

You are diverting attention away from the question.

McCains experience has been slammed as not good enough even when his experience in the senate far surpasses anything that Obama has done, maybe by the time involved but his experience is discounted for the favored son to be elected.

I'm truly interested in what the libs feel gives him better experience qualifications than McCain.

[BIG_DADDY]

You are diverting attention away from the question.

.

jettio diverting, no say it isn't so.

[Programmer]

You must be a racist.

Why would you think that? Obama isn't really Black or White, by definition he is a Mulatto, or in modern day terms a Tweener - inbetween black and white. He was raised by a white mother, whom he now seems to have rejected for political expediency.

I'd rather have Colin Powell as president than either of the two running at the moment. Does that make me an anti-racist?

[Programmer]

jettio diverting, no say it isn't so.

Jumping on the band wagon?

[BIG_DADDY]

Why would you think that? . Sarcasm

[BIG_DADDY]

Jumping on the band wagon?

Diversion and personal attacks is jettio's M. O. I just find it humorous.

[Programmer]

Diversion and personal attacks is jettio's M. O. I just find it humorous.

OK, sorry for the slam I misunderstood the comment.

[Sully]

You need to figure out that there is a question out here that can sway votes.

What has Obama done to gain experience needed to be president?

A) I don't think ti will sway that many votes. I especially don't think your vote is in any danger of being swayed.

B) I think you are building a straw man that there is this huge upswell of people questioning McCain's experience. It's just not there.

[Programmer]

A) I don't think ti will sway that many votes. I especially don't think your vote is in any danger of being swayed.

B) I think you are building a straw man that there is this huge upswell of people questioning McCain's experience. It's just not there.

You are mistaken. I do not believe either of the candidates have anything to give to the country. There is little difference in their liberal approach to government.

The people questioning McCains experience are ignoring the lack of experience of Obama. Everyone seems to be playing favorites based on their party.

This country is larger than any one party or any one person.

Give me some reason to consider Obama, any reason that you can validate.

[BIG_DADDY]

He smokes Marlboro's :shrug:

[irishjayhawk]

WHAT QUALIFICATIONS/EXPERIENCE DO YOU NEED TO BE PRESIDENT?

When you can give me a definitive list, I'll allow you to play the "experience" card - that is, if it's applicable after the list has been agreed on.

[Programmer]

WHAT QUALIFICATIONS/EXPERIENCE DO YOU NEED TO BE PRESIDENT?

When you can give me a definitive list, I'll allow you to play the "experience" card - that is, if it's applicable after the list has been agreed on.

Start with any experience he has in leadership. Always remember that you can't use any of the experience that McCain has that has been nixed by the liberals. No military, no comparison there Obama has never served so that is a moot point.

You seem mad, but in reading this board I 've seen very little experience that stands up for anything in the experience category. all he has is that he is old enough and born a U.S. Citizen. You seem to be happy with that, I'm not. I won't vote for anyone with a resume that says:

I was born over 35 years ago and I am an American citizen.

Convince me that he is the guy to vote for. I may be a conservative/republican but there is not a candidate that I'd hang my hat on.

If the election were tomorrow I'd vote for everything but the presidential race.

[Sully]

Always remember that you can't use any of the experience that McCain has that has been nixed by the liberals.

Still sticking with this ridiculous strawman?

[Programmer]

Still sticking with this ridiculous strawman?

You are unable to mount any supporting reasons for anyone to vote for Obama?

Is it a case of not knowing anything about him? There have been no staunch supporters of Obama that have posted a single point to persuade even a democrat to vote for him.

This is really a sad statement regarding your candidate.

What makes you want to vote for Obama? He's not George Bush? Now that's a real boon for your side.

I'd suggest that if you have nothing to support your candidate you leave it to those that may be willing to prove that he is the candidate to vote for.

[ClevelandBronco]

What in Obama's past qualifies him for the presidency?

Nothing.

The only thing in Obama's future that could qualify him for the presidency is getting more votes than he deserves.

But he's really, really good at that.

[Taco John]

By the standards in this thread, Abraham Lincoln wasn't qualified to be president.

[Programmer]

By the standards in this thread, Abraham Lincoln wasn't qualified to be president.

What standards are you talking about? I'm just looking for a reason to consider voting for Obama. Liberals have gone to great lengths to discredit any experiences of McCain but not a single poster here has given a set of qualifying experiences that gives him a lead over McCain. Neither are the man we need as our president IMO, at the moment we have no other choices.

One disqualifying choice by Obama would be to sign up the WWE as his running mate.

[Sully]

Liberals have gone to great lengths to discredit any experiences of McCain.

ROFL

Seriously.
What "great lengths" have they gone to?
You keep throwing this out there, and it's just plain false.
It's sad that you have to lie to try and make a weak point.

[Chief Henry]

His daddy was black and his mom moved him to Kansas so he could be raised by his grandmother. Thats all thats needed - end of story.

[BucEyedPea]

I'm just looking for a reason to consider voting for Obama.

No you're not. Obama is out of the question for you and you know it.

[BucEyedPea]

I was talking to a HR pro and he said experience can be overrated sometimes. Sometimes someone with experience has all the wrong kind and produces junk. Sometimes hiring someone new with little experience means they can be trained to do the job right or brings new ideas. So experience in what? The status-quo? Catering to entrenched interests who gotten hold of our govt, experience being a warmonger? Experience cow-towing to AIPAC?

George Washington, a true statesman had no experience...and didn't even want the job. This is true of other presidents. Experience is overrated.

[BucEyedPea]

By the standards in this thread, Abraham Lincoln wasn't qualified to be president.

Yup! And he also did many unconstitutional and illegal things to boot!
Condoned generals who needlessly slaugthered civilians.

[bkkcoh]

ROFL

Seriously.
What "great lengths" have they gone to?
You keep throwing this out there, and it's just plain false.
It's sad that you have to lie to try and make a weak point.

They were saying that his time as a POW shouldn't be considered time in the military since he wasn't active by their standards..... :banghead:

[BucEyedPea]

They were saying that his time as a POW shouldn't be considered time in the military since he wasn't active by their standards..... :banghead:

Well he wasn't active. And there were thousands besides him. Does that make them all qualified to be president? Certainly not. Now let's talk about his incompetence as a pilot because he downed 3 other planes in not combat situations.

[banyon]

Yup! And he also did many unconstitutional and illegal things to boot!
Condoned generals who needlessly slaugthered civilians.

Don't forget the raping!

[Sully]

They were saying that his time as a POW shouldn't be considered time in the military since he wasn't active by their standards..... :banghead:

"They?"

So far as I've seen, one guy said that, and one guy not even connected to his campaign responded to a direct question about his plane crashing. Is there something more "widespread" that I'm missing?

[Programmer]

ROFL

Seriously.
What "great lengths" have they gone to?
You keep throwing this out there, and it's just plain false.
It's sad that you have to lie to try and make a weak point.


Discounted his military service. Have you not listened to the arguements regarding that one point? Being a prisoner of war does not qualify you to be president. Being a commanding officer does not qualify you to be the president, those experiences are not noteworthy.

He sits in his office and perpetuates the job rather than doing anything.

Those comments are on this board.

Read the news papers and tell me that the liberals are not dissing everything in McCains past as not worthy of being president.

You are delusional.

[Programmer]

No you're not. Obama is out of the question for you and you know it.

You are wrong. We don't have a clear choice.

All you can come up with is that you feel Obama is out of the question?

I expect better.

[Sully]

Discounted his military service. Have you not listened to the arguements regarding that one point? Being a prisoner of war does not qualify you to be president. Being a commanding officer does not qualify you to be the president, those experiences are not noteworthy.

He sits in his office and perpetuates the job rather than doing anything.

Those comments are on this board.

Read the news papers and tell me that the liberals are not dissing everything in McCains past as not worthy of being president.

You are delusional.

Two guys say something, and you make that out to be widespread... but I'm the delusional one?
You are always good for a laugh T0m Cash.

[Programmer]

Well he wasn't active. And there were thousands besides him. Does that make them all qualified to be president? Certainly not. Now let's talk about his incompetence as a pilot because he downed 3 other planes in not combat situations.

I can guarantee that his time as a POW he was considered active duty. If you are MIA you are considered active duty.

All pay and allowances continue until you are either confirmed dead or declared dead.

[Programmer]

"They?"

So far as I've seen, one guy said that, and one guy not even connected to his campaign responded to a direct question about his plane crashing. Is there something more "widespread" that I'm missing?

Correction: His plane did not crash, he was shot down in combat.

[Sully]

Correction: His plane did not crash, he was shot down in combat.

However it crashed, he was asked a direct question about that specifically.

[Programmer]

Two guys say something, and you make that out to be widespread... but I'm the delusional one?
You are always good for a laugh T0m Cash.

Not only delusional you seem to be out of touch with the current political climate.

Try reading the news papers, or having someone read them to you.

[Sully]

Not only delusional you seem to be out of touch with the current political climate.

Try reading the news papers, or having someone read them to you.

I read, and all I've seen is responses to this being brought up.
Do you have some proof of your claim of widespread dissing of McCain's experience by the liberal masses? Most newspapers are online now, so finding links to this epidemic shouldn't be too difficult.

[Programmer]

I read, and all I've seen is responses to this being brought up.
Do you have some proof of your claim of widespread dissing of McCain's experience by the liberal masses? Most newspapers are online now, so finding links to this epidemic shouldn't be too difficult.

I don't believe that you read the news and feel that there is nothing being said. Even in Podunk America the papers carry the stories.

I'm sure that your political blinders are on and what you may be reading just doesn't register as dissing because you fully agree with what is being printed.

[Sully]

I don't believe that you read the news and feel that there is nothing being said. Even in Podunk America the papers carry the stories.

I'm sure that your political blinders are on and what you may be reading just doesn't register as dissing because you fully agree with what is being printed.

I'd have bet huge real money you'd run away from proving anything you spouted off about. How many times have I run you off by just asking you to prove one of your silly exhortations now? I can think of three off the top of my head.

What is it that you think I agree with? Can you, at the very least, say what you think that is? I'll let you know whether I agree with it or not.

[Programmer]

I'd have bet huge real money you'd run away from proving anything you spouted off about. How many times have I run you off by just asking you to prove one of your silly exhortations now? I can think of three off the top of my head.

What is it that you think I agree with? Can you, at the very least, say what you think that is? I'll let you know whether I agree with it or not.

You are jumping the gun here. I didn't say I wasn't going to find the links, I'm at work and not going to spend an inordinate amount of time screwing with it at work.

You may have lost that money.

[Sully]

You are jumping the gun here. I didn't say I wasn't going to find the links, I'm at work and not going to spend an inordinate amount of time screwing with it at work.

You may have lost that money.

I'll be waiting, T0m.
Although I'd think if the articles were that widespread, they wouldn't take an inordinate amount of time.
Hell, just in the time you've spent trying to argue this I'd think you'd have been able to find hundreds.

[irishjayhawk]

By the standards in this thread, Abraham Lincoln wasn't qualified to be president.

Yep. And I can't even get a list of things needed for the presidency?

[Programmer]

I'll be waiting, T0m.
Although I'd think if the articles were that widespread, they wouldn't take an inordinate amount of time.
Hell, just in the time you've spent trying to argue this I'd think you'd have been able to find hundreds.

:spock:

[banyon]

:spock:

Don't you understand, Sully? He's got time to reply to every single post, but not to look up a link.

[Programmer]

Yep. And I can't even get a list of things needed for the presidency?

Have you spoken against the experiences fo McCain? If so you already have a set of things not needed. You are asking for what you already have a standard for that can't be met.

What qualities do you want in a president?

Youth?
African-American?
Democrat?
Non-Military?
Willing to spend billions on domestic welfare programs?
Nationalized Health care advocate?

Just wanting to clarify what you expect to see.

[Programmer]

Don't you understand, Sully? He's got time to reply to every single post, but not to look up a link.

I understand that I'm getting paid to check systems and have some down time inbetween tests. I also understand that I am wasting my employers time answering posts here. I'm guilty, but I'd bet that your supervisor is probably not aware that you are spending all day here either.

[banyon]

I understand that I'm getting paid to check systems and have some down time inbetween tests. I also understand that I am wasting my employers time answering posts here. I'm guilty, but I'd bet that your supervisor is probably not aware that you are spending all day here either.

However you need to rationalize it, go ahead.

[Programmer]

However you need to rationalize it, go ahead.

Here, just pick out the links you like (http://http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&safe=off&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=Democratic+response+to+John+Mccain%27s+qualifications+for+presidency&spell=1).

[Sully]

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* Did you make a mistake when typing the domain? (e.g. "ww.mozilla.org" instead of "www.mozilla.org")
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[Programmer]

Address Not Found.

Check back later.

[noa]

That dead link is just a google search for "Democratic response to John Mccain's qualifications for presidency"

[Programmer]

That dead link is just a google search for "Democratic response to John Mccain's qualifications for presidency"

Your point? They clamored for information. I said I would look later. They weren't happy with the wait. I googled and came up with 255,000 links.

If you would like to pare it down, by all means, do so.

[|Zach|]

LMAO

[noa]

Your point? They clamored for information. I said I would look later. They weren't happy with the wait. I googled and came up with 255,000 links.

If you would like to pare it down, by all means, do so.

I was just clarifying so if anyone was deterred by the dead link, they could just go to google and plug in that search themselves.

[Programmer]

I was just clarifying so if anyone was deterred by the dead link, they could just go to google and plug in that search themselves.

They are not willing to do that, I have to prove my point that the dems are dissing the experience of John Mccain.

[|Zach|]

They are not willing to do that, I have to prove my point that the dems are dissing the experience of John Mccain.
How is that panning out for you?

[Sully]

That dead link is just a google search for "Democratic response to John Mccain's qualifications for presidency"

I know.
I thought it was funny that with this widespread liberal conspiracy to demean McCain's qualifications that Cash was going to link me to a google search for a bunch of articles he hasn't even read.

[banyon]

Well, I guess it's about time for this new username to flame out as well. Ban this one and move on to the next one.

[memyselfI]

He gives people hope and makes them feel all warm inside. :doh!:

[little jacob]

He gives people hope and makes them feel all warm inside. :doh!:

the obama religion is more varied than that. for some he's a messiah. for others he is a guy who gives eloquent prepared speeches. for others he's the most liberal candidate in history. for others, he's not bush.

[irishjayhawk]

Have you spoken against the experiences fo McCain? If so you already have a set of things not needed. You are asking for what you already have a standard for that can't be met.

What qualities do you want in a president?

Youth?
African-American?
Democrat?
Non-Military?
Willing to spend billions on domestic welfare programs?
Nationalized Health care advocate?

Just wanting to clarify what you expect to see.

So merely being in the military qualifies you for the Presidency?

It seems that's what you're talking about with respect to McCain.

[Adept Havelock]

Well, I guess it's about time for this new username to flame out as well. Ban this one and move on to the next one.

LMAO

In accordance with the ancient prophecies of Discordianism. Hail Eris!

[Carlota69]

I understand that I'm getting paid to check systems and have some down time inbetween tests. I also understand that I am wasting my employers time answering posts here. I'm guilty, but I'd bet that your supervisor is probably not aware that you are spending all day here either.

I bet it has more to do with the fact that he's off his meds and looking for a good fight. :thumb:

[Programmer]

So merely being in the military qualifies you for the Presidency?

It seems that's what you're talking about with respect to McCain.

Negative, I said earlier that I would enjoy a comparison of the two men based on their accomplishments while in office.

As pointed out by many, we have had plenty of presidents that have not been in the military.

You seem to have such a problem with those that have served I thougt it would be a good discussion to eliminate that aspect of the two candidates.

What has Obama done lately?

[Programmer]

I bet it has more to do with the fact that he's off his meds and looking for a good fight. :thumb:

Suffering from PMS again? or is it menopause?

[irishjayhawk]

Negative, I said earlier that I would enjoy a comparison of the two men based on their accomplishments while in office.

As pointed out by many, we have had plenty of presidents that have not been in the military.

You seem to have such a problem with those that have served I thougt it would be a good discussion to eliminate that aspect of the two candidates.

What has Obama done lately?

I'm waiting for a list of things a candidate needs.

Unfortunately, you haven't gotten there yet.

[little jacob]

What has Obama done lately?

he started running for president in 2004 so i think he's been pretty busy with that

[Carlota69]

Suffering from PMS again? or is it menopause?

Neither at the moment. You? Bi-polar disorder or is it Schizophrenia?

[bkkcoh]

I'm waiting for a list of things a candidate needs.

Unfortunately, you haven't gotten there yet.



Age and Citizenship requirements - US Constitution, Article II, Section 1

No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty-five years, and been fourteen years a resident within the United States.



Those are the only official requirements, everything else is totally subjective.

But I am sure that you knew that, right? :doh!::p

[Programmer]

Neither at the moment. You? Bi-polar disorder or is it Schizophrenia?

100% normal everywhere but here. It's not me but the perception of the libs on the board. There is a cure, talk to Ann Coulter

[Carlota69]

100% normal everywhere but here. It's not me but the perception of the libs on the board. There is a cure, talk to Ann Coulter

ROFLROFL...yeah, ok....whatever you need to believe. Whatever helps you get by...

[BucEyedPea]

100% normal everywhere but here. It's not me but the perception of the libs on the board. There is a cure, talk to Ann Coulter

Do you mean the Anne Coulter who thinks Judaism is an inferior religion because we need to invade ME countries to save Israel so we can "perfect Jews?" Wow! Some friend of Israel she turned out to be.ROFL

[Programmer]

Those are the only official requirements, everything else is totally subjective.

But I am sure that you knew that, right? :doh!::p

I know that but apparently qualifications for office is something the liberal base will argue until you ask for the quallifications of their candidate and it comes back to age and citizenship.

Mccain is not qualified because of his military experience, he is not qualified from being in the senate but Obama seems to get a free pass as he is a junior senator.

I still want someone to pony up some kind of reason that I would vote for Obama over Mccain. IMO neither possess the right stuff for the job. We only have the two that have any kind of chance of being elected, so the question remains . What does Obama have over Mccain or vice versa.

[Programmer]

Do you mean the Anne Coulter who thinks Judaism is an inferior religion because we need to invade ME countries to save Israel so we can "perfect Jews?" Wow! Some friend of Israel she turned out to be.ROFL

No, the Anne Coulter that said that if liberals had a brain they'd be conservatives.

[Programmer]

ROFLROFL...yeah, ok....whatever you need to believe. Whatever helps you get by...

What's amazing is that you give credibility to virtually everyone on this board and it has been proven that most are nothing more than hacks .. you included.

Cut and paste is the way of life for liberals, no original thought, only koolaid drinkers.

[Sully]

Would everyone please stop bugging T0m Cash?
I'm waiting on him to back up something he typed. I've never seen him do it before, so I'm very excited about it. But he's short on time, so stop sidetracking him!

[penguinz]

What does Obama have over Mccain or vice versa.Smaller chance of dying in office from a heart attack?

[Carlota69]

What's amazing is that you give credibility to virtually everyone on this board and it has been proven that most are nothing more than hacks .. you included.

Cut and paste is the way of life for liberals, no original thought, only koolaid drinkers.

I do? Oh, I thought we were all hacks, including and especially you...At least I dont feel the need to change my name every 2 months..

Oh, and I dont drink beverages that have sugar in it, FTR. Water only for this girl.

[BucEyedPea]

No, the Anne Coulter that said that if liberals had a brain they'd be conservatives.

Well, that doesn't change the FACT that she thinks Judaism is an inferior religion, now does it?

BTW you do know that it is liberals who came over to the GOP, as they'd use force for their liberal causes that you support on the WoT?

[RaiderH8r]

Obama has change; which is a great way to shore up support among the homeless beggers.

He's never offered me anything more than change and I don't think I can bring myself to vote for someone who doesn't have the intellegence to properly buy my vote.

[Programmer]

Well, that doesn't change the FACT that she thinks Judaism is an inferior religion, now does it?

BTW you do know that it is liberals who came over to the GOP, as they'd use force for their liberal causes that you support on the WoT?

So you are saying that I agree with everything she says because I posted a quote from her? Kind of shortsighted don't ya think?

Anne Coulter said that if Mccain was the nominee she was going to support Hillary. So what part of what she says should we feel strongly about?

Are you saying that you don't support the WoT?

[BucEyedPea]

So you are saying that I agree with everything she says because I posted a quote from her? Kind of shortsighted don't ya think?
You're the one who said she was the cure for liberals. What'd you expect for me thinking you agreed with her.


Are you saying that you don't support the WoT?
You can check my archive for the answer to that.

[BIG_DADDY]

He's a Marlboro man. That makes him qualified for anything.

[Carlota69]

He's a Marlboro man. That makes him qualified for anything.

I dont know man, he isn't as good looking.;)

[BIG_DADDY]

I dont know man, he isn't as good looking.;)

Barack Hussein Obama with boots, spurs and a 10 gallon hat riding horseback. That would be quite a sight.

[Programmer]

You're the one who said she was the cure for liberals. What'd you expect for me thinking you agreed with her.

A didn't say she was the cure for liberals, I simply put up a quote from her.


You can check my archive for the answer to that.

Do you really think I care? A simple yes or no would have been easier to type. By your reply I presume that you are not lined up with the WoT.

[Programmer]

I dont know man, he isn't as good looking.;)

Now we are getting down to the crux of the matter. Carlota is going for looks over substance.

[Carlota69]

Now we are getting down to the crux of the matter. Carlota is going for looks over substance.

Ah, take a look again Old man...I said he isnt as good looking as the Marlboro man...LMAO

[Programmer]

Ah, take a look again Old man...I said he isnt as good looking as the Marlboro man...LMAO

I saw that, but you seem to still be hanging on looks over substance.

You do know that I'm 39.

[Bowser]

Why do you fear Obama, Tom?

[Carlota69]

I saw that, but you seem to still be hanging on looks over substance.

You do know that I'm 39.


Oh, is the Marlboro Man running for Prez? Wow, cool, then I really can vote for looks over substance, as you say. Well, at least you admit, much to your chagrin, that Obama has substance...tee hee...

yeah, 39..right....

[BucEyedPea]

yeah, 39..right....

Is gramps hittin' on ya'? :p

[Carlota69]

Is gramps hittin' on ya'? :p

No. It seems pretty clear to me that he doesn't like va-jay-jay.LMAO

[BucEyedPea]

A didn't say she was the cure for liberals, I simply put up a quote from her.
I think you need to go back and look at the implications of your communication.

Do you really think I care?
Well you asked didn't you? Or are you a phony?

A simple yes or no would have been easier to type. By your reply I presume that you are not lined up with the WoT.

A yes or no would not really answer it as you can see since the title alone says nothing. I do not approve of the poor results because of how it's being done. It was hijacked since we don't go after those behind 9/11. Get it now?

[Programmer]

No. It seems pretty clear to me that he doesn't like va-jay-jay.LMAO

When you can smell them across the internet you know they are nasty. You need to try some hygene products.;)

[Carlota69]

When you can smell them across the internet you know they are nasty. You need to try some hygene products.;)

Nice try grampa, but we all know you havent smelt a va-jay-jay in many years. You obvioulsy havent seen one in awhile either, or you wouldnt be this bitter and pent up.

[Programmer]

A yes or no would not really answer it as you can see since the title alone says nothing. I do not approve of the poor results because of how it's being done. It was hijacked since we don't go after those behind 9/11. Get it now?

We don't go after those behind 9/11? Where have you been?

We have units in several ME countries under cover looking for your favorite person. You seem to think that just because we are in Iraq that the WoT has been hijacked, you couldn't be furher from the truth, but I'm sure that you are as unswayable as anyone. You probably believe that 9/11 was an inside job.

[Programmer]

Nice try grampa, but we all know you havent smelt a va-jay-jay in many years. You obvioulsy havent seen one in awhile either, or you wouldnt be this bitter and pent up.

Married for more years than you have been alive. I'm bitter? Pent up? The wife and I just took another honeymoon last week. You have issues, but don't try to push them off on others.

[Carlota69]

Married for more years than you have been alive. I'm bitter? Pent up? The wife and I just took another honeymoon last week. You have issues, but don't try to push them off on others.

You're married? Well didnt you just prove my point! (Of course, you could be lying. You seem to hide behind lies and covers, afraid people will find
out who you really are)

Oh, and for longer than I've been alive? Why sir, i thought you were only 39? See you are a liar! Gotcha!

Nonetheless, we all have issues, 'Old crusty One, it just seems that no one wants to subscribe to yours.
BTW, I'm gone for the day...can't wait to hear from you tomorrow...Cuz you know you can't resist:thumb:

[BucEyedPea]

We don't go after those behind 9/11? Where have you been?
I should ask that of you? Like I said check my archive for details I have no desire for long involved posts that are reposts.

We have units in several ME countries under cover looking for your favorite person. You seem to think that just because we are in Iraq that the WoT has been hijacked, you couldn't be furher from the truth, but I'm sure that you are as unswayable as anyone. You probably believe that 9/11 was an inside job.
I wasn't talking about some "units" only looking for the criminal behind 9/11. BFD! I'm talking about nation state warfare when it's not a state. You know that pesky thing like logic instead of emotion like a bull in a china shop overeacting and breaking a lot of other things not connected.

Oh and he's your favorite person because it gives you an excuse to do what you probably always wanted to anyway. Invade Iraq and Iran.

I'm on record here as saying I don't believe 9/11 is an insider job, not the bombs laced into the WTC or Bldg 7 falling. I've already posted numerous times my views on this. Two words word will suffice for brevity sake: hijack by the AEI crowd and blowback.

[banyon]

Married for more years than you have been alive. I'm bitter? Pent up? The wife and I just took another honeymoon last week. You have issues, but don't try to push them off on others.

You do know that I'm 39.

:hmmm:

[Sully]

T0m Cash and his lies never fail to entertain.
Comedy gold.
Comedy ****ing gold.

[WilliamTheIrish]

I didn't claim I had any political savvy, ...

Effective watyto / end thread.

[Programmer]

:hmmm:

You shouldn't try to think, it will only give you a headache.

Never heard of Jack Benny? Youth is wasted on you all.

[BucEyedPea]

So you are not going to post any qualifications that he has compared to those of McCains the dems have shot down?
There is really only three required qualifications:

• be a natural born citizen or citizen at the time of the adoption of the Constitution
• be at least 35 years of age at the time he is sworn in as President
• must have been a resident of the United States for at least fourteen years

These are per Article II.1.4 of the US Constitution. There are no other quals even if you opine otherwise. Those quals are added and inapplicable under our supreme law and not factual but opinion.

o:-)

[Programmer]

Would everyone please stop bugging Programmer?
I'm waiting on him to back up something he typed. I've never seen him do it before, so I'm very excited about it. But he's short on time, so stop sidetracking him!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/omid-memarian/why-mccains-experience-c_b_87259.html

http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.jsp?articleId=281474977366028&grpId=3659174697241980&nav=Groupspace

http://weblogs.chicagotribune.com/news/politics/blog/2008/05/obama_mccain_experience_or_jud.html

http://www.democrats.com/mccains-experience

http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/06/29/america/campaign.php

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4188/is_20080207/ai_n21228814

http://www.topix.com/forum/news/2008-presidential-election/T5D2723JB9UI0JB31

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/03/mccain-obama-ha.html

[banyon]

You shouldn't try to think, it will only give you a headache.

Never heard of Jack Benny? Youth is wasted on you all.

Jack Benny? Sure. But he was funny. You're just a prevaricating mendicant. There's really no comparison.

[banyon]

It's, of course, completely unsurprising that you didn't bother to read any of the articles you linked to.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/omid-memarian/why-mccains-experience-c_b_87259.html

This article lauds his heroics and worries about his foreign policy stances, not his military experience.

http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.jsp?articleId=281474977366028&grpId=3659174697241980&nav=Groupspace

This article also laments his change in policy stance on torture, but doesn't denigrate his service at all. The author expresses disappointment that his experiences didn't lead him to better policy stances.

http://weblogs.chicagotribune.com/news/politics/blog/2008/05/obama_mccain_experience_or_jud.html

This article appears to consist entirely of quotes about McCain's Iraq judgment, again having nothing to do with denigrating McCain's experiences in Vietnam.


http://www.democrats.com/mccains-experience

This is Bob Fertik's blog, which is about as important in the media and politics as this thread.

http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/06/29/america/campaign.php

This is just an objective piece reporting on Wesley Clark's appearance on Face the Nation. It also does not try to tear down McCain's war experience.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4188/is_20080207/ai_n21228814

This article also compliments McCain's service, and then points out the scandals (Keating, etc.) that he has been involved in.

http://www.topix.com/forum/news/2008-presidential-election/T5D2723JB9UI0JB31

This is some dude's blog on Topix, which allows any idiot to post or start a thread, much like you have done here. This is the dude's picture:
http://64.13.133.31/pics/up-9LQML8CBPU4D22G4-m

Needless to say, Ric Ricland is not well established in media circles.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/03/mccain-obama-ha.html

This is an article about Republicans showing defects in Obama's record, which is the opposite of what you were trying to prove.

___________
To summarize then, out of your 8 links, 5 say nothing negative about McCain's military experience, 2 are just blogs or threads on open websites from people as random as posters on this thread, and 1 is on the wrong topic altogether.

Needless to say, this effort is predictably pathetic.

[Programmer]

It's, of course, completely unsurprising that you didn't bother to read any of the articles you linked to.



This article lauds his heroics and worries about his foreign policy stances, not his military experience.



This article also laments his change in policy stance on torture, but doesn't denigrate his service at all. The author expresses disappointment that his experiences didn't lead him to better policy stances.



This article appears to consist entirely of quotes about McCain's Iraq judgment, again having nothing to do with denigrating McCain's experiences in Vietnam.




This is Bob Fertik's blog, which is about as important in the media and politics as this thread.



This is just an objective piece reporting on Wesley Clark's appearance on Face the Nation. It also does not try to tear down McCain's war experience.



This article also compliments McCain's service, and then points out the scandals (Keating, etc.) that he has been involved in.



This is some dude's blog on Topix, which allows any idiot to post or start a thread, much like you have done here. This is the dude's picture:
http://64.13.133.31/pics/up-9LQML8CBPU4D22G4-m

Needless to say, Ric Ricland is not well established in media circles.



This is an article about Republicans showing defects in Obama's record, which is the opposite of what you were trying to prove.

___________
To summarize then, out of your 8 links, 5 say nothing negative about McCain's military experience, 2 are just blogs or threads on open websites from people as random as posters on this thread, and 1 is on the wrong topic altogether.

Needless to say, this effort is predictably pathetic.

You got what you wanted - links.

I got what I wanted. To keep you on the insult train. If you don't get to insult someone every hour or so you have withdrawal syndrome.

At least you read the links. 99% of the liberals here won't.

and for your edification, I did read each and every one of them and felt them fitting for what you wanted.

do you want more?

[Sully]

First, T0m Cash, thanks for actually attempting to back something up. I'm amazed. This is the first time you haven't been a coward when discussing something with me. It's absolutely outside your character. I'm proud of you.

I'll address each article now:
1) Huffington Post: Not so much questioning his experience, rather questioning the results of that experience.

2) Steven Murray: Absolutely legit as an example of an article showing criticism of McCain's experience. Reading the article, however, leads one to believe the author isn't a liberal, but rather a conservative.

3) The Swamp: Not an indictment on McCain's experience, at all. As a matter of fact, the word is only used three times in the article. This is an article discussing judgment. I assume if you'd only read the title you could be confused.

4) Democrats.com: Legitimate example of questioning his experience, with judgment mixed in.

5) Int'l Herald Tribune: Not a criticism, or anything... really. It's a news report on what has been said by the candidates and others. Weird.

6) Thomas Sowell: This is an iffy one, but I'll just say it's a legit example.

7) Topix.com: Why, this is nothing but a posted thread from a message board. It's as if you didn't even look at your examples.

8) Political Radar: ROFL. Possibly the funniest of the "examples." This one doesn't even so much as mention McCain's experience. Not once. The title doesn't even allude to that fact. As a matter of fact, it does the complete opposite. I can see where you made the mistakes on the others, after only reading the titles and running with them. but this one shows you can't even comprehend the title. Wow.


So, in review, after your (apparently) blind posting of the first things you could find on google, you found two "legit" examples of a liberal questioning McCain's experience. I'm happy you attempted to back up your strawman. But I'm afraid you failed. It's okay, though. This was a huge step for you, Tom. I was happy to look through those for you.

[Sully]

I see that by stopping in the middle of my critique for dinner, my job was already done.

ROFL

[Sully]

and for your edification, I did read each and every one of them and felt them fitting for what you wanted.



There is no way in hell you read that last link and felt it fit. You don't have to lie, Tom... but there is simply no ****ing way it slipped your mind that it had nothing to do with McCain's experience if you read it.

[banyon]

You got what you wanted - links.

I got what I wanted. To keep you on the insult train. If you don't get to insult someone every hour or so you have withdrawal syndrome.

At least you read the links. 99% of the liberals here won't.

and for your edification, I did read each and every one of them and felt them fitting for what you wanted.

do you want more?

Yeah, I'd like you to explain how I was wrong about my descriptions of any of the links, since you disagree.

If you read the last one, and felt it was fitting, then wow. :huh:

[Programmer]

Yeah, I'd like you to explain how I was wrong about my descriptions of any of the links, since you disagree.

If you read the last one, and felt it was fitting, then wow. :huh:

You don't have much in the way of comprehension skills do you?

ROFL

[banyon]

You don't have much in the way of comprehension skills do you?

ROFL

So you can't. I comprehend that.

[Sully]

Tom,
Don't try and cover up your lie in a PM to me, claiming that those first links were just to "get" banyon. I doubt anyone would be dumb enough to fall for that. I'm certainly not.

[Programmer]

Don't try and cover up your lie in a PM to me, claiming that those first links were just to "get" banyon. I doubt anyone would be dumb enough to fall for that. I'm certainly not.

Do you want the links or not? I don't really have a reason to post them, but I can.

I just don't want to harm your reputation by proving you wrong.

Those links were posted to banyon, not to you. I guess you haven't figured that one out yet though.

[banyon]

Do you want the links or not? I don't really have a reason to post them, but I can.

I just don't want to harm your reputation by proving you wrong.

Those links were posted to banyon, not to you. I guess you haven't figured that one out yet though.

You were replying to Sully. LMAO

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[Programmer]

So you can't. I comprehend that.

Care to take that a step further? I'm sure you totally missed the point.

Don't let that cause you to be suicidal though.

[Sully]

Do you want the links or not? I don't really have a reason to post them, but I can.

I just don't want to harm your reputation by proving you wrong.

Those links were posted to banyon, not to you. I guess you haven't figured that one out yet though.
You're lying again, Tom. You specifically quoted me when you posted those links. Banyon had nothing to do with my asking you for links the entire day. Do you honestly think someone is't going to see through your dishonesty?
Jeez, I compliment you for not being a coward, for once, and you turn right back around and travel down the coward road.
I'm sad for you.

[banyon]

Care to take that a step further? I'm sure you totally missed the point.

Don't let that cause you to be suicidal though.

Step further?

Well, it's been a while, so i't possible by now that you forgot what you had claimed, so let me remind you:

Liberals have gone to great lengths to discredit any experiences of McCain .

Then after Sully asking you most of the day, you filed a disaster of a post where you didn't apparently even bother to read the wholly irrelevant links you provided. Then you started up with the crying, "we don't understand on your level routine."

So, if you wanted to retract the claim, it'd be understandable, since you've shown exactly zero ability to be able to prove it.

[Programmer]

Step further?

Well, it's been a while, so i't possible by now that you forgot what you had claimed, so let me remind you:

.

Then after Sully asking you most of the day, you filed a disaster of a post where you didn't apparently even bother to read the wholly irrelevant links you provided. Then you started up with the crying, "we don't understand on your level routine."

So, if you wanted to retract the claim, it'd be understandable, since you've shown exactly zero ability to be able to prove it.

My goodness you're a whiney bastard tonight. There's proof, I just don't think I need to feed the monkey (you).

You know they exist, if you believe they don't you are living in more of a dream world than anyone might think.

[banyon]

My goodness you're a whiney bastard tonight. There's proof, I just don't think I need to feed the monkey (you).

You know they exist, if you believe they don't you are living in more of a dream world than anyone might think.

When you have nothing, I guess this is what you do.

[Programmer]

You're lying again, Tom.

I'm sad for you.

No, I'm not lying, I made a mistake.

Don't be sad for me, regardless of what your opinion is I lead a very happy life. Sorry to say I don't think the same can be said of you and banyon.

The links will be here, but in my time, not yours.

[Programmer]

When you have nothing, I guess this is what you do.

You are pathetic. I have nothing?

Right. At least I'm not working at a minimum wage job as you are.

[irishjayhawk]

I know that but apparently qualifications for office is something the liberal base will argue until you ask for the quallifications of their candidate and it comes back to age and citizenship.

Actually, you're the one asking what qualifies him. So I'd like a list. I'm not bringing it back to age and citizenship, but you have I think - if I count correctly - twice.

And you've also slanted this to a liberal vs republicans argument twice. All I asked for was a list.

Mccain is not qualified because of his military experience, he is not qualified from being in the senate but Obama seems to get a free pass as he is a junior senator.

I haven't said anything. But once again, no list.


I still want someone to pony up some kind of reason that I would vote for Obama over Mccain. IMO neither possess the right stuff for the job. We only have the two that have any kind of chance of being elected, so the question remains . What does Obama have over Mccain or vice versa.

Still no list. So we can't even compare the two. I'm waiting.

[banyon]

You are pathetic. I have nothing?

Right. At least I'm not working at a minimum wage job as you are.

Yeah, you have nothing, that's why you offered no substantive reply to my fairly definitive refutation of your bogus links, which you later admitted were bogus.

Why do you think I'm working a minimum wage job? You know that I'm a practicing attorney. I'm not aware of any that get paid 5.85 an hour.

[irishjayhawk]

Yeah, you have nothing, that's why you offered no substantive reply to my fairly definitive refutation of your bogus links, which you later admitted were bogus.

Why do you think I'm working a minimum wage job? You know that I'm a practicing attorney. I'm not aware of any that get paid 5.85 an hour.

All liberal talk. See the liberals always gotta talk like this. Liberal that. Liberal this.



That's a template for his posts.

[BCD]

This shit scares the hell outta me...

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[BCD]

I'd really like to see a BHO supporter defend his voting record.

[banyon]

I'd really like to see a BHO supporter defend his voting record.

Okay, I'm game. Pick something.

[BCD]

WHAT QUALIFICATIONS/EXPERIENCE DO YOU NEED TO BE PRESIDENT?

When you can give me a definitive list, I'll allow you to play the "experience" card - that is, if it's applicable after the list has been agreed on.My personal qualifications is to not be completely disgusted by the candidates voting record.

[irishjayhawk]

This shit scares the hell outta me...

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First issue: Abortion is legal. Choice is the mothers. Nothing scary there.
Second issue: Allows states to fund abortion clinics. Since abortion is legal and states can decide to fund them or not, I don't see why that's an issue.
Third issue: Why have federal funding to fund something that is a personal decision?
Fourth issue: I don't know what "good time" means...
Fifth issue: Why should it matter where "adult" buildings are placed? It's not like the adult stuff is happening OUTSIDE.
Sixth issue: Why require schools to do that? Talk about the pussification of America.
Seventh issue: Why is that bad?
Eighth issue: He didn't vote. That doesn't mean its bad.
Ninth issue: I would need specifics to decide on that one.

Pretty much the video sucks. It doesn't offer anything of substance.

Moreover, voting records only tell so much. A great bill with $100 trillion of pork is bad. Who would fault him for voting no to that bill because of the pork. Voting records don't display rationale. And rationale is much more important than simply the vote.

[irishjayhawk]

My personal qualifications is to not be completely disgusted by the candidates voting record.

Oh, so do you like candidates who flip flop on issues?

[Adept Havelock]

First issue: Abortion is legal. Choice is the mothers. Nothing scary there.
Second issue: Allows states to fund abortion clinics. Since abortion is legal and states can decide to fund them or not, I don't see why that's an issue.
Third issue: Why have federal funding to fund something that is a personal decision?
Fourth issue: I don't know what "good time" means...
Fifth issue: Why should it matter where "adult" buildings are placed? It's not like the adult stuff is happening OUTSIDE.
Sixth issue: Why require schools to do that? Talk about the pussification of America.
Seventh issue: Why is that bad?
Eighth issue: He didn't vote. That doesn't mean its bad.
Ninth issue: I would need specifics to decide on that one.

Pretty much the video sucks. It doesn't offer anything of substance.

Moreover, voting records only tell so much. A great bill with $100 trillion of pork is bad. Who would fault him for voting no to that bill because of the pork. Voting records don't display rationale. And rationale is much more important than simply the vote.


I suspect the only problem with allowing the purchase of hypodermics is some believe that will mean Drug Abusers don't have to share needles, and might avoid contracting AIDS as God/Jeebus/The Flying Spaghetti Monster intended.

As for the location of adult businesses. Bravo.Foxtrot.Delta. I don't care if someone wants to put a building dedicated to superstition right next door to me. I just don't go in. Same thing here. :shrug:

For the record, I won't be pulling the lever for BHO or McCain, but these are particularly silly criticisms IMNSHO.

[BCD]

Okay, I'm game. Pick something.Watch the Youtube video I embeded.

[irishjayhawk]

Watch the Youtube video I embeded.

The video sucks. How bout you pick something that YOU care about. A specific issue.

[BCD]

Oh, so do you like candidates who flip flop on issues?Can you narrow it down a bit? All politicians flip-flop. I haven't decide who is getting my vote. I just know it will NOT be BHO. And, No, I'm not racist...

[Programmer]

Yeah, you have nothing, that's why you offered no substantive reply to my fairly definitive refutation of your bogus links, which you later admitted were bogus.

Why do you think I'm working a minimum wage job? You know that I'm a practicing attorney. I'm not aware of any that get paid 5.85 an hour.

I don't know that you are a practicing attorney, all any of us have is your claim to be an attorney.

You also know that I'm a senior automation engineer among other things, but you tend to decry that.

I don't want proof that you are an attorney because it is of no consequence. You are still a political hack rooting for the wrong side. Liberalism dies once you gain something of value. If you are what you say within 5 years you will change sides.

[irishjayhawk]

Can you narrow it down a bit? All politicians flip-flop. I haven't decide who is getting my vote. I just know it will NOT be BHO. And, No, I'm not racist...

Well, the other candidate (major candidate) is McCain and he's flipflopped like 10000 times in the last 4 months.

[banyon]

Watch the Youtube video I embeded.

I did, it was pretty silly. Basically the "voted for" in every example neglects what he "voted against" in each bill. It's a charade you could play with any Senator's (including McCain's) Senate voting record. I've already addressed several of these issues in this forum before, so it would help if you picked which vote was more troubling to you.

Here's a similarly slanted view of McCain's record (just on the military) as an example only:

________________

John McCain skipped close to a dozen votes on Iraq, and on at least another 10 occasions, he voted against arming and equipping the troops, providing adequate rest for the troops between deployments and for health care or other benefits for veterans.



In mid 2007, Senator Reid noted that McCain missed 10 of the past 14 votes on Iraq. However, here is a summary of a dozen votes (two that he missed and ten that he voted against) with respect to Iraq, funding for veterans or for troops, including equipment and armor. I have also included other snippets related to the time period when the vote occurred.



September 2007: McCain voted against the Webb amendment calling for adequate troop rest between deployments. At the time, nearly 65% of people polled in a CNN poll indicted that “things are going either moderately badly or very badly in Iraq.



July 2007: McCain voted against a plan to drawdown troop levels in Iraq. At the time, an ABC poll found that 63% thought the invasion was not worth it, and a CBS News poll found that 72% of respondents wanted troops out within 2 years.



March 2007: McCain was too busy to vote on a bill that would require the start of a drawdown in troop levels within 120 days with a goal of withdrawing nearly all combat troops within one year. Around this time, an NBC News poll found that 55% of respondents indicated that the US goal of achieving victory in Iraq is not possible. This number has not moved significantly since then.



February 2007: For such a strong supporter of the escalation, McCain didn’t even bother to show up and vote against a resolution condemning it. However, at the time a CNN poll found that only 16% of respondents wanted to send more troops to Iraq (that number has since declined to around 10%), while 60% said that some or all should be withdrawn. This number has since gone up to around 70%.



June 2006: McCain voted against a resolution that Bush start withdrawing troops but with no timeline to do so.



May 2006: McCain voted against an amendment that would provide $20 million to the Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) for health care facilities.



April 2006: McCain was one of only 13 Senators to vote against $430,000,000 for the Department of Veteran Affairs for Medical Services for outpatient care and treatment for veterans.



March 2006: McCain voted against increasing Veterans medical services funding by $1.5 billion in FY 2007 to be paid for by closing corporate tax loopholes.



March 2004: McCain once again voted for abusive tax loopholes over veterans when he voted against creating a reserve fund to allow for an increase in Veterans' medical care by $1.8 billion by eliminating abusive tax loopholes. Jeez, McCain really loves those tax loopholes for corporations, since he voted for them over our veterans' needs.



October 2003: McCain voted to table an amendment by Senator Dodd that called for an additional $322,000,000 for safety equipment for United States forces in Iraq and to reduce the amount provided for reconstruction in Iraq by $322,000,000.



April 2003: McCain urged other Senate members to table a vote (which never passed) to provide more than $1 billion for National Guard and Reserve equipment in Iraq related to a shortage of helmets, tents, bullet-proof inserts, and tactical vests.



August 2001: McCain voted against increasing the amount available for medical care for veterans by $650,000,000. To his credit, he also voted against the 2001 Bush tax cuts, which he now supports making permanent, despite the dire financial condition this country is in, and despite the fact that he indicated in 2001 that these tax cuts unfairly benefited the very wealthy at the expense of the middle class.

[BCD]

First issue: Abortion is legal. Choice is the mothers. Nothing scary there.
Second issue: Allows states to fund abortion clinics. Since abortion is legal and states can decide to fund them or not, I don't see why that's an issue.
Third issue: Why have federal funding to fund something that is a personal decision?
Fourth issue: I don't know what "good time" means...
Fifth issue: Why should it matter where "adult" buildings are placed? It's not like the adult stuff is happening OUTSIDE.
Sixth issue: Why require schools to do that? Talk about the pussification of America.
Seventh issue: Why is that bad?
Eighth issue: He didn't vote. That doesn't mean its bad.
Ninth issue: I would need specifics to decide on that one.

Pretty much the video sucks. It doesn't offer anything of substance.

Moreover, voting records only tell so much. A great bill with $100 trillion of pork is bad. Who would fault him for voting no to that bill because of the pork. Voting records don't display rationale. And rationale is much more important than simply the vote.So, taxpayers should pay for abortions?

I'm assuming you don't have children.

[BCD]

I did, it was pretty silly. Basically the "voted for" in every example neglects what he "voted against" in each bill. It's a charade you could play with any Senator's (including McCain's) Senate voting record. I've already addressed several of these issues in this forum before, so it would help if you picked which vote was more troubling to you.

Here's a similarly slanted view of McCain's record (just on the military) as an example only:

________________

John McCain skipped close to a dozen votes on Iraq, and on at least another 10 occasions, he voted against arming and equipping the troops, providing adequate rest for the troops between deployments and for health care or other benefits for veterans.



In mid 2007, Senator Reid noted that McCain missed 10 of the past 14 votes on Iraq. However, here is a summary of a dozen votes (two that he missed and ten that he voted against) with respect to Iraq, funding for veterans or for troops, including equipment and armor. I have also included other snippets related to the time period when the vote occurred.



September 2007: McCain voted against the Webb amendment calling for adequate troop rest between deployments. At the time, nearly 65% of people polled in a CNN poll indicted that “things are going either moderately badly or very badly in Iraq.



July 2007: McCain voted against a plan to drawdown troop levels in Iraq. At the time, an ABC poll found that 63% thought the invasion was not worth it, and a CBS News poll found that 72% of respondents wanted troops out within 2 years.



March 2007: McCain was too busy to vote on a bill that would require the start of a drawdown in troop levels within 120 days with a goal of withdrawing nearly all combat troops within one year. Around this time, an NBC News poll found that 55% of respondents indicated that the US goal of achieving victory in Iraq is not possible. This number has not moved significantly since then.



February 2007: For such a strong supporter of the escalation, McCain didn’t even bother to show up and vote against a resolution condemning it. However, at the time a CNN poll found that only 16% of respondents wanted to send more troops to Iraq (that number has since declined to around 10%), while 60% said that some or all should be withdrawn. This number has since gone up to around 70%.



June 2006: McCain voted against a resolution that Bush start withdrawing troops but with no timeline to do so.



May 2006: McCain voted against an amendment that would provide $20 million to the Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) for health care facilities.



April 2006: McCain was one of only 13 Senators to vote against $430,000,000 for the Department of Veteran Affairs for Medical Services for outpatient care and treatment for veterans.



March 2006: McCain voted against increasing Veterans medical services funding by $1.5 billion in FY 2007 to be paid for by closing corporate tax loopholes.



March 2004: McCain once again voted for abusive tax loopholes over veterans when he voted against creating a reserve fund to allow for an increase in Veterans' medical care by $1.8 billion by eliminating abusive tax loopholes. Jeez, McCain really loves those tax loopholes for corporations, since he voted for them over our veterans' needs.



October 2003: McCain voted to table an amendment by Senator Dodd that called for an additional $322,000,000 for safety equipment for United States forces in Iraq and to reduce the amount provided for reconstruction in Iraq by $322,000,000.



April 2003: McCain urged other Senate members to table a vote (which never passed) to provide more than $1 billion for National Guard and Reserve equipment in Iraq related to a shortage of helmets, tents, bullet-proof inserts, and tactical vests.



August 2001: McCain voted against increasing the amount available for medical care for veterans by $650,000,000. To his credit, he also voted against the 2001 Bush tax cuts, which he now supports making permanent, despite the dire financial condition this country is in, and despite the fact that he indicated in 2001 that these tax cuts unfairly benefited the very wealthy at the expense of the middle class.Where did I say I was voting for McCain? You just wasted your time...

[banyon]

I don't know that you are a practicing attorney, all any of us have is your claim to be an attorney.

You also know that I'm a senior automation engineer among other things, but you tend to decry that.

I don't want proof that you are an attorney because it is of no consequence. You are still a political hack rooting for the wrong side. Liberalism dies once you gain something of value. If you are what you say within 5 years you will change sides.

Ha, I guess you got clowned because you know it's pretty easy for me to prove that I am what I say I am. There are plenty of wealthy liberals, so your other theory is lacking.

I note that you still offer no proof of your original claim that the liberal media has been denigrating McCain's war experience.

[irishjayhawk]

So, taxpayers should pay for abortions?

I'm assuming you don't have children.

That's not what he voted on.

He said he would allow for state funding. The state can still decide. So you are making a stupid assumption.

[irishjayhawk]

Where did I say I was voting for McCain? You just wasted your time...

And you missed his point. :huh:

Can you now provide something in Obama's voting record you take issue with?

[banyon]

Where did I say I was voting for McCain? You just wasted your time...

???? I was just saying it was easy to do that little stunt with any Senatorial voting record. McCain was my (rather relevant I think) example. Why don't you pick an Obama vote you find questionable if you really think it's troubling?

[BCD]

That's not what he voted on.

He said he would allow for state funding. The state can still decide. So you are making a stupid assumption.The point is, he still voted to allow it. Just as he voted to allow partial-birth abortions, which are now banned.

Would you like to raise a family with an adult store next to your home, or your childrens' school? (BTW, I have no issues with porn shops, my GF and I go on occasion.)

[Adept Havelock]

Where did I say I was voting for McCain? You just wasted your time...

Lacking in reading comprehension, or just Obtuse tonight? He said those were examples of how a vote against a bill doesn't explain the reasoning behind it. For instance, if there's a bill that is for providing ice cream for the children of parents who can't afford it, but it has another component that would make it legal to hunt midgets, I would not vote for that bill. However, my political opponent could point to it saying that I hated children and didn't want them to have ice cream.

[Dave Lane]

If you eliminate any reference to McCains military past he still has qualifications that trump those of Obama.

Base your commentary on the fact that neither of the two have military history.

I find the experience levels very divergent and tips the scales heavily in McCains favor.

I may be biased towards McCain, but I can find exactly zero reasons to believe that Obama can claim any achievements in his political career that would sway my decision.

Intellect and intelligence out trump a bad temper and low intelligence.

Dave

[irishjayhawk]

The point is, he still voted to allow it. Just as he voted to allow partial-birth abortions, which are now banned.

So, in essence, anything that is abortion is bad. Even if it gives the states the CHOICE?


Would you like to raise a family with an adult store next to your home, or your childrens' school? (BTW, I have no issues with porn shops, my GF and I go on occasion.)

So if you have neighbors with kids, do you think they are scared because you're having sex with your wife in your house?

Are you scared if roles reversed?

[banyon]

The point is, he still voted to allow it. Just as he voted to allow partial-birth abortions, which are now banned.

If these are your examples... Obama never "voted to allow partial birth abortion" as he has consistently supported government's ability to restrict it. He will not, however support it with no consideration for the health of the mother.

Would you like to raise a family with an adult store next to your home, or your childrens' school? (BTW, I have no issues with porn shops, my GF and I go on occasion.)

This second bill I must assume is badly misphrased in the Youtube video, as they say that Obama voted against "restrict Adult establishments to be located within 1000 feet of a school", which you would think would be exactly backwards of what they wanted to do which is keep the businesses outside of that zone. But beyond the sloppy quote, it also clearly states that he "refused to vote", which by Illinois rules is also equivalent to "absent", which, on an issue that has been left up to county zoning boards since time immemorial, it really is a ridiculous stretch to say he wants pron shops next to schools.

[BCD]

So, in essence, anything that is abortion is bad. Um, Duh?



So if you have neighbors with kids, do you think they are scared because you're having sex with your wife in your house?

Are you scared if roles reversed? LMAO Are you ****ing kidding me with this? How is sex with your wife even remotely close to a porn store next door?

[BCD]

If these are your examples... Obama never "voted to allow partial birth abortion" as he has consistently supported government's ability to restrict it. He will not, however support it with no consideration for the health of the mother.
He voted against the partial-birth abortion ban.

[banyon]

He voted against the partial-birth abortion ban.

Yes, because it did not allow for the health of the mother.

[Adept Havelock]

Yes, because it did not allow for the health of the mother.

If The Flying Spaghetti Monster wanted that mother to live, he wouldn't have arranged for the fetus to injure the health of the mother in that manner.

[Slayer]

At the risk that someone has already brought up this point:

He's over 35 years old, he was born in the United States, and he's been a resident of the United States for more than the last 14 consecutive years.

While I see plenty of reasons that Obama shouldn't be president, there's no doubt that he is qualified. It would be a plus if he had military service, had been in Congress for more time, etc. BUT those aren't qualifying factors any more than ethics and range of education should be. Hell, we've had presidents lead whole communities halfway across the country by gunpoint, ruin the economy by looking at short term goals (New Deal), and let known terrorists--who were in police custody--leave the country AFTER their first attack. It shouldn't be about qualifications as long as they meet the three basics. It should be about what they stand for and what they're going to do.

[irishjayhawk]

Um, Duh?

Well, Adept covered it pretty well in the other thread but it's late and I might get back to you with his wording.


LMAO Are you ****ing kidding me with this? How is sex with your wife even remotely close to a porn store next door?

Apparently, you completely miss the point. It's happening INDOORS so, obviously, you don't care. Moreover, the video didn't explain the technicalities of the bill or what buildings qualify and what don't. So, it's an easy No vote because it shouldn't matter what people do inside a building. Just like you don't care -kids or not - if your neighbors are having sex because it's inside their house. Likewise, they don't care if you are having sex.

[Programmer]

Ha, I guess you got clowned because you know it's pretty easy for me to prove that I am what I say I am. There are plenty of wealthy liberals, so your other theory is lacking.

I note that you still offer no proof of your original claim that the liberal media has been denigrating McCain's war experience.

So prove that you are a practicing attorney.

You missed much. The democrats have been denigrating McCain's experience. Try reading the original post.

My links will be posted on my time schedule, not yours.

[BCD]

Apparently, you completely miss the point. It's happening INDOORS so, obviously, you don't care. Moreover, the video didn't explain the technicalities of the bill or what buildings qualify and what don't. So, it's an easy No vote because it shouldn't matter what people do inside a building. Just like you don't care -kids or not - if your neighbors are having sex because it's inside their house. Likewise, they don't care if you are having sex.LMAO No, young man, you are missing the point. You just do not get it. This does not have shit to do with what people do inside their homes.

[RaiderH8r]

I'm still waiting on him to elaborate on his plan for "Change". Will there be machines on street corners to make change, will there be "leave a penny/take a penny" trays strategically placed throughout the country? How is Barry Obama going to make change?

Seriousness aside, when is he going to talk about his beliefs and philosophies on governance? His plans, ideas, notions and shit? Sure he has plenty of surrogates out there spewing a bunch of cliche'd buzz words and catch phrases but there's no there there. I want it from the horse's mouth. If he's so different from every other politician why is he acting exactly the same. Right now, today, it's "meet the new boss. Same as the old boss."

[Sully]

So prove that you are a practicing attorney.

You missed much. The democrats have been denigrating McCain's experience. Try reading the original post.

My links will be posted on my time schedule, not yours.

It's clear that your common practices are shining through in this thread. I gave you every opportunity to once again back up your silly claims, and you came through with a clear lack of honesty, comprehension, intelligence and just plain decency. You claimed you didn't have time to come up with links proving your claim, and then spent the rest of the day, on this thread and others, arguing with posters. Your posts are full of lies, inaccuracies that show you are only interested in confirmation bias (look it up), and insults.
If you weren't so damn funny, like a clown to laugh at, I'd be fed up with your douchiness. However, like I said, you make me laugh. Seeing you post is to understand why royals in old England had court jesters. Stupidity on such a level is funny and entertaining.
When you quit again, please come back soon. There are few posters on here that offer as much to laugh at as you do. I'd miss you if you left, much like Jay Leno will miss GW Bush when he leaves office. Difference is, Leno will have a new president to make jokes about. I doubt anyone will come along so unintelligent as you for me to laugh at.

[Sully]

Seriousness aside, when is he going to talk about his beliefs and philosophies on governance? His plans, ideas, notions and shit?

Once again, for the cheap seats...
There is an entire website he has set up with pages upon pages of his "plans, notions and shit."
If you were truly interested you'd look. I don't think you are, though.

[banyon]

So prove that you are a practicing attorney.

You missed much. The democrats have been denigrating McCain's experience. Try reading the original post.

My links will be posted on my time schedule, not yours.

I'm not participating in another day of this s***. :thumb:

[RaiderH8r]

Once again, for the cheap seats...
There is an entire website he has set up with pages upon pages of his "plans, notions and shit."
If you were truly interested you'd look. I don't think you are, though.

No I've looked. I want it from the man, the horse's mouth if you will. It's already very clear his campaign sends out surrogates to do the dirty work and when it blows up on them Barry disavows any knowledge. I don't trust a god damned thing unless it is straight out of that man's mouth. But will that happen? Time will tell but I don't think I should be holding my breath in anticipation. If recent history is any indicator he'll keep spewing buzzwords, like "Change" because people keep lapping it up. Anytime something is written, or said, or posted on his behalf that backfires he'll disavow any knowledge and keep his fingerprints off of it.

Meet the new boss,
Same as the old boss.

[RaiderH8r]

I'm not participating in another day of this s***. :thumb:

Dude, law books and an orange tan totally get the chicks!

"Hey baby, wanna come to my place and read about torts?"

[Adept Havelock]

So if you have neighbors with kids, do you think they are scared because you're having sex with your wife in your house?

Are you scared if roles reversed?

Nah, sex is fine as long as you have that silly piece of paper from the state, co-signed by the Flying Spaghetti Monster. :rolleyes:

Dude, law books and an orange tan totally get the chicks!

"Hey baby, wanna come to my place and read about torts?"

LMAO

[RaiderH8r]

I don't want a porn shop next door or in my neighborhood because I wouldn't get shit else done. It's a question of productivity. The fact that it's so out of the way means I have to go through the trouble of finding it which really does a good job of making me parse out my wank sessions. I'm not talking about the little 5 minute rub job you do on the way out the door. I'm talking about the epic all day, nobody home, stacks and racks of smut, going to war with your penis type of session that only comes about on the rare occasion when the wife has taken a sabbatical in Europe and your child is on an archaeological dig somewhere in southern Turkey.

It's just you and me penis. Don't bother yelling, there's nobody to help you. Prepare for war!

Jesus Christ I am sharing way too much with you people.

[Sully]

I don't want a porn shop next door or in my neighborhood because I wouldn't get shit else done. It's a question of productivity. The fact that it's so out of the way means I have to go through the trouble of finding it which really does a good job of making me parse out my wank sessions. I'm not talking about the little 5 minute rub job you do on the way out the door. I'm talking about the epic all day, nobody home, stacks and racks of smut, going to war with your penis type of session that only comes about on the rare occasion when the wife has taken a sabbatical in Europe and your child is on an archaeological dig somewhere in southern Turkey.

It's just you and me penis. Don't bother yelling, there's nobody to help you. Prepare for war!

Jesus Christ I am sharing way too much with you people.

That is possibly the most I've laughed at a post... ever.
Well done!

ROFL

[Programmer]

I'm not participating in another day of this s***. :thumb:


Well - WAAAAAAAAAAA

No proof huh? I didn't think you were actually a member of the bar.

[BucEyedPea]

Intellect and intelligence out trump a bad temper and low intelligence.

Dave

Is intellect different from intelligence?:hmmm:

[irishjayhawk]

LMAO No, young man, you are missing the point. You just do not get it. This does not have shit to do with what people do inside their homes.

Umm, yes it does. Homes are buildings. You are concerned with buildings being used for adult purposes. Homes are used for adult purposes.

Therefore, you aren't really concerned with the next door neighbors. But if those next door neighbors are filming and happen not to be married, you care. :hmmm:

[irishjayhawk]

Nah, sex is fine as long as you have that silly piece of paper from the state, co-signed by the Flying Spaghetti Monster. :rolleyes:



LMAO

At least someone got it...

[irishjayhawk]

Still waiting Tom.

[Chief Henry]

Barak Obama half honkey....All Donkey.


Now thats a campaing Slogan !

[Programmer]

Still waiting Tom.

What are you waiting for?

[irishjayhawk]

What are you waiting for?

A list of qualities/experience people need for the presidency.

[Carlota69]

Boy Tom, thanks for the PM and the continous lie....

I've been married to the same woman for 32 years. I probably have more to do with my wife than you do with any man in a week than you do in a year.

Bitter and pent up? That has to be you all over.
And there's more...

QUOTE=Programmer;4825383]I saw that, but you seem to still be hanging on looks over substance.

You know I'm 39?

LMAO So what you are telling me is that you got married at the tender age of 7?

[BIG_DADDY]

Boy Tom, thanks for the PM and the continous lie....

I've been married to the same woman for 32 years. I probably have more to do with my wife than you do with any man in a week than you do in a year.

Bitter and pent up? That has to be you all over.
And there's more...

QUOTE=Programmer;4825383]I saw that, but you seem to still be hanging on looks over substance.

You know I'm 39?

LMAO So what you are telling me is that you got married at the tender age of 7?

Must have been his teacher.

[Carlota69]

It's clear that your common practices are shining through in this thread. I gave you every opportunity to once again back up your silly claims, and you came through with a clear lack of honesty, comprehension, intelligence and just plain decency. You claimed you didn't have time to come up with links proving your claim, and then spent the rest of the day, on this thread and others, arguing with posters. Your posts are full of lies, inaccuracies that show you are only interested in confirmation bias (look it up), and insults.
If you weren't so damn funny, like a clown to laugh at, I'd be fed up with your douchiness. However, like I said, you make me laugh. Seeing you post is to understand why royals in old England had court jesters. Stupidity on such a level is funny and entertaining.
When you quit again, please come back soon. There are few posters on here that offer as much to laugh at as you do. I'd miss you if you left, much like Jay Leno will miss GW Bush when he leaves office. Difference is, Leno will have a new president to make jokes about. I doubt anyone will come along so unintelligent as you for me to laugh at.

I was thinking this yesterday. This dude cracks me up. I mean it's sad, but really funny!

[Carlota69]

Must have been his teacher.

Thats possible. I heard that kind of thing goes on.:hmmm:

[Programmer]

A list of qualities/experience people need for the presidency.

If you haven't figured it out by now anything posted would be outside your scope of understanding.

Besides, it's the liberals that have said McCains experience is not worthy of being president, not the conservatives.

[Programmer]

Boy Tom, thanks for the PM and the continous lie....

I've been married to the same woman for 32 years. I probably have more to do with my wife than you do with any man in a week than you do in a year.

Bitter and pent up? That has to be you all over.
And there's more...

QUOTE=Programmer;4825383]I saw that, but you seem to still be hanging on looks over substance.

You know I'm 39?

LMAO So what you are telling me is that you got married at the tender age of 7?

What was Jack Benny's (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Benny)self admitted age when he died? You are probably not old enough to understand what I said, and I'm sure that you aren't bright enough to search it out.

[Programmer]

It's clear that your common practices are shining through in this thread. I gave you every opportunity to once again back up your silly claims, and you came through with a clear lack of honesty, comprehension, intelligence and just plain decency. You claimed you didn't have time to come up with links proving your claim, and then spent the rest of the day, on this thread and others, arguing with posters. Your posts are full of lies, inaccuracies that show you are only interested in confirmation bias (look it up), and insults.
If you weren't so damn funny, like a clown to laugh at, I'd be fed up with your douchiness. However, like I said, you make me laugh. Seeing you post is to understand why royals in old England had court jesters. Stupidity on such a level is funny and entertaining.
When you quit again, please come back soon. There are few posters on here that offer as much to laugh at as you do. I'd miss you if you left, much like Jay Leno will miss GW Bush when he leaves office. Difference is, Leno will have a new president to make jokes about. I doubt anyone will come along so unintelligent as you for me to laugh at.


Those that continually take pot shots at the intelligence of others have always been on the lower end of the food chain. My guess is that you flunked out of grammar school.

I'm ashamed to say that I even know who you are. Insults and name calling is all you have in life.

You need to move on.

Here is your (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0608/11429.html) link. (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080701/ap_on_el_pr/mccain_clark;_ylt=AnyiFACacPpb4yPi_htkpKNp24cA)www.****off.com (http://www.****off.com)

[Carlota69]

What was Jack Benny's self admitted age when he died? You are probably not old enough to understand what I said, and I'm sure that you aren't bright enough to search it out.

Jack benny was a musician and entertainer in the 30's, or somewhere in that time frame.

And I really dont give a shit about Jack Benny or why you keep bringing him up. Unless your trying to point out that he was a balls-out liar like yourself.:thumb:

[irishjayhawk]

If you haven't figured it out by now anything posted would be outside your scope of understanding.

Besides, it's the liberals that have said McCains experience is not worthy of being president, not the conservatives.

So, once again, you refuse a simple task and go on the defensive. Let me fix your post since it's horrendously ironic.

If you haven't figured it out by now anything posted would be outside your scope of understanding.

Besides, it's the conservatives that have said Obama's experience is not worthy of being president, not the liberals.

See. All I want is a list of experience and qualities you think would be good in a President. And you can't do it. You can't make a list. How sad is that?

[Carlota69]

Those that continually take pot shots at the intelligence of others have always been on the lower end of the food chain. My guess is that you flunked out of grammar school.
I'm ashamed to say that I even know who you are. Insults and name calling is all you have in life.

You need to move on.

Here is your link. www.****off.com

Hello Mr Pot, I'd like to introduce you to Mr Kettle...

[irishjayhawk]

Hello Mr Pot, I'd like to introduce you to Mr Kettle...

Touche!

[Carlota69]

If you haven't figured it out by now anything posted would be outside your scope of understanding.

Besides, it's the liberals that have said McCains experience is not worthy of being president, not the conservatives.

From what I gather from conservatives, they arent so sure about Mccain either. I've heard them question his abilities as a leader as well.

And since you think having a temper isnt a good trait for a president (they could push the big red button and all), I hear Obama is mild mannered. We know McCain is a fire ball when it comes to temperment, so maybe you should vote for BO. :shrug:

[Programmer]

From what I gather from conservatives, they arent so sure about Mccain either. I've heard them question his abilities as a leader as well.

And since you think having a temper isnt a good trait for a president (they could push the big red button and all), I hear Obama is mild mannered. We know McCain is a fire ball when it comes to temperment, so maybe you should vote for BO. :shrug:

I'm on record as stating that neither of the candidates fill the bill.

There is nothing about Obama that encourages anyone to vote for him.

[irishjayhawk]

I'm on record as stating that neither of the candidates fill the bill.

There is nothing about Obama that encourages anyone to vote for him.

So you speak for everyone?

That explains a lot.

Still waiting....

[Programmer]

So, once again, you refuse a simple task and go on the defensive. Let me fix your post since it's horrendously ironic.



See. All I want is a list of experience and qualities you think would be good in a President. And you can't do it. You can't make a list. How sad is that?

If you are so adamant about having a list of qualities and experience for the office, come up with one. My comment has been that liberals have discounted all standard qualities that have been used in other elections when referencing McCain.

AND AGAIN, BECAUSE I KNOW YOU CAN'T READ VERY WELL, I AM NOT A FAN OF MCCAIN OR OBAMA. I ASKED WHAT QUALITIES/EXPERIENCE HE HAS THAT WOULD MAKE ME WANT TO VOTE FOR HIM!

As a registered republican I would tend to vote that way if there is no distinguishing differences between the candidates. Republican presidents have been better for my pocket over democrap presidents.

You have made your choice to vote for Obama. I have not determined who I'm voting for and have given the liberal base here an opportunity to convince me that Obama is who I should vote for. So far all I get is arguments about what you feel I believe and a list that does not exist.

[Programmer]

So you speak for everyone?

That explains a lot.

Still waiting....

I speak for everyone? No, but what you need to consider is that those that are clamoring about his greatness are doing so from a party stance and not on the issues. The rest need something to convince them and you don't seem to have the ability to share points that would sway a vote.

Hold your breath. I'll get back to you in a month or so.

[Carlota69]

If you are so adamant about having a list of qualities and experience for the office, come up with one. My comment has been that liberals have discounted all standard qualities that have been used in other elections when referencing McCain.

AND AGAIN, BECAUSE I KNOW YOU CAN'T READ VERY WELL, I AM NOT A FAN OF MCCAIN OR OBAMA. I ASKED WHAT QUALITIES/EXPERIENCE HE HAS THAT WOULD MAKE ME WANT TO VOTE FOR HIM!
As a registered republican I would tend to vote that way if there is no distinguishing differences between the candidates. Republican presidents have been better for my pocket over democrap presidents.

You have made your choice to vote for Obama. I have not determined who I'm voting for and have given the liberal base here an opportunity to convince me that Obama is who I should vote for. So far all I get is arguments about what you feel I believe and a list that does not exist.

I gave you one: Obama doesnt have a temper. You made it very clear that having a temper is a bad thing for a president, and we all know McCain does. So, within your standards, the choice is clear! OBAMA 08! Taa Daa!!!!;)

[RaiderH8r]

I gave you one: Obama doesnt have a temper. You made it very clear that having a temper is a bad thing for a president, and we all know McCain does. So, within your standards, the choice is clear! OBAMA 08! Taa Daa!!!!;)

The hell Barry doesn't. It's definitely "inside the beltway" knowledge at this point but yes, he'll go off like cheap chinese fireworks but he's got enough composure to keep it away from cameras.

[Carlota69]

The hell Barry doesn't. It's definitely "inside the beltway" knowledge at this point but yes, he'll go off like cheap chinese fireworks but he's got enough composure to keep it away from cameras.

Oh, well shit then, Tom is out of luck. He clearly doesnt have a choice for Prez. Oh well, I tried.o:-)

[irishjayhawk]

If you are so adamant about having a list of qualities and experience for the office, come up with one. My comment has been that liberals have discounted all standard qualities that have been used in other elections when referencing McCain.

AND AGAIN, BECAUSE I KNOW YOU CAN'T READ VERY WELL, I AM NOT A FAN OF MCCAIN OR OBAMA. I ASKED WHAT QUALITIES/EXPERIENCE HE HAS THAT WOULD MAKE ME WANT TO VOTE FOR HIM!

As a registered republican I would tend to vote that way if there is no distinguishing differences between the candidates. Republican presidents have been better for my pocket over democrap presidents.

You have made your choice to vote for Obama. I have not determined who I'm voting for and have given the liberal base here an opportunity to convince me that Obama is who I should vote for. So far all I get is arguments about what you feel I believe and a list that does not exist.

Still can't come up with a list. Damn. It must be hard.

Instead of coming up with a list you just post something like this:


[insert slam on person who can't comprehend almighty Tom]

[insert phrase like I asked first even though I didn't]

[insert phrase like liberals are the ones doing something]

[insert phrase like you have picked your side so prove it]

[insert phrase like I won't make a list because of something linking lists to liberals]

[Programmer]

I gave you one: Obama doesnt have a temper. You made it very clear that having a temper is a bad thing for a president, and we all know McCain does. So, within your standards, the choice is clear! OBAMA 08! Taa Daa!!!!;)

Show me where I commented about having a temper was a bad thing for a president.

[Programmer]

Still can't come up with a list. Damn. It must be hard.

Instead of coming up with a list you just post something like this:

You're an idiot.

Read the thread starter and tell me what it says again. I must keep misreading it.

You have reasons to elect Obama? What are they. He is clearly qualified by age and citizenship, but nothing else? Now that's the way you choose the person to fill the most powerful position in the free world.

[irishjayhawk]

You're an idiot.

Read the thread starter and tell me what it says again. I must keep misreading it.

You have reasons to elect Obama? What are they. He is clearly qualified by age and citizenship, but nothing else? Now that's the way you choose the person to fill the most powerful position in the free world.

I asked you to come up with an objective list of experience and qualities that any presidential candidate should have. You can't do it.

I suspect because I'm asking you to do something objectively or bipartisan.

It's sad.

[RaiderH8r]

Oh, well shit then, Tom is out of luck. He clearly doesnt have a choice for Prez. Oh well, I tried.o:-)

It's DC. There's only so much f*ckery, backstabbing, and half truths one can endure. That's one of the reasons I like Cheney so much. Leahy is an unabashed prick and instead of being a pretend friend butthole like so many do, Cheney told the guy to go f*ck himself. I about fall out my chair laughing every time I think about it.

[Carlota69]

Show me where I commented about having a temper was a bad thing for a president.

ProgrammerWould you really want to have a person with that type of personality in the WH with her finger on the big red button? Not me, and we aren't even considering the PMS factor. Posts: 381


Programmer
Tell me that you have never seen or heard about her temper tantrums while only the first lady. Hillary has a temper problem, the finger on the button is just a catch phrase, it's been thrown around every election.

Having PMS is not a sexist view, it's a fact of life for women. Apparently you are not married. Posts: 381


Programmer

You just don't get the point. PMS or not, Hillary is a volitile person. She has a temper that borders on violent. You are reaching for sexist commentary with the PMS comment, but after reading a few of your posts I do understand your POV
Just a few things that you pointed out that day...

[Programmer]

ProgrammerWould you really want to have a person with that type of personality in the WH with her finger on the big red button? Not me, and we aren't even considering the PMS factor. Posts: 381


Programmer
Tell me that you have never seen or heard about her temper tantrums while only the first lady. Hillary has a temper problem, the finger on the button is just a catch phrase, it's been thrown around every election.

Having PMS is not a sexist view, it's a fact of life for women. Apparently you are not married. Posts: 381


Programmer

You just don't get the point. PMS or not, Hillary is a volitile person. She has a temper that borders on violent. You are reaching for sexist commentary with the PMS comment, but after reading a few of your posts I do understand your POV
Just a few things that you pointed out that day...


Last time I checked Hillary is not running for president. My comments about her was borne from the pure disdain I have for the character and make up of that one single person.

HOWEVER, play is as you want to. I wrote it and it can be construed as such.

I'm still interested in what redeeming value you put in Barack Obama for president. I can find nothing in his senate record that indicated he is anything more than a member of the senate. He has done nothing so outstanding as to indicate he is worthy of the office.

From wiki - from jan of 07 to present Obama has 133 sponsored or co-sponsored bills pending, McCain has 149.

Obama has presented such things as:
Expressing the sense of Congress that any effort to impose photo identification (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photo_identification) requirements for voting should be rejected.

Which will validate the voting of illegals in the U.S. among others that may be voting in more than one precint.