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HonestChieffan
07-01-2008, 08:47 AM
Barack Obama knows no shame with reversal on FISA bill
Thursday, June 26th 2008, 6:10 PM


'To be clear: Barack will support a filibuster of any bill that includes retroactive immunity for telecommunications companies."

Obama spokesman
Bill Burton, Oct. 24, 2007


That was then: Democratic primaries to be won, netroots lefties to be seduced. With all that (and Hillary Clinton) out of the way, Obama now says he'll vote in favor of the new FISA bill that gives the telecom companies blanket immunity for post-9/11 eavesdropping.

Back then, in the yesteryear of primary season, he thoroughly trashed the North American Free Trade Agreement, pledging to force a renegotiation, take "the hammer" to Canada and Mexico, and threaten unilateral abrogation.

Today, the hammer is holstered. Obama calls his previous NAFTA rhetoric "overheated" and essentially endorses what one of his senior economic advisers privately told the Canadians: The anti-trade stuff was nothing more than populist posturing.

Nor is there much left of his primary season pledge to meet "without preconditions" with Iran's Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. There will be "preparations," you see, which are being spun by his aides into the functional equivalent of preconditions.

Obama's long march to the center has begun.

And why not? What's the downside? He won't lose the left, or even mainstream Democrats. They won't stay home on Nov. 4. The anti-Bush, anti-Republican sentiment is simply too strong. Election Day is their day of revenge - for the Florida recount, for Swift-boating, for all the injuries, real and imagined, dealt out by Republicans over the last eight years.

Normally, flip-flopping presidential candidates have to worry about the press. Not Obama. After all, this is a press corps that heard his grandiloquent Philadelphia speech - designed to rationalize why "I can no more disown [Jeremiah Wright] than I can disown my white grandmother" - then wiped away a tear and hailed him as the second coming of Abraham Lincoln. Three months later, with Wright disowned, grandma embraced and the great "race speech" now inoperative, not a word of reconsideration is heard from his media acolytes.

Worry about the press? His FISA flip-flop elicited a few grumbles from lefty bloggers, but hardly a murmur from the mainstream press. Remember his pledge to stick to public financing? Now flush with cash, he is the first general-election candidate since Watergate to opt out. Some goo-goo clean-government types chided him, but the mainstream editorialists who for years had been railing against private financing as hopelessly corrupt and corrupting, evinced only the mildest of disappointment.

Indeed, The New York Times expressed a sympathetic understanding of Obama's about-face by buying his preposterous claim that it was a pre-emptive attack on McCain's 527 independent expenditure groups - notwithstanding the fact that (a) as Politico's Jonathan Martin notes, "there are no serious anti-Obama 527s in existence nor are there any immediate plans to create such a group" and (b) the only independent ad of any consequence now running in the entire country is an AFSCME-MoveOn.org co-production savaging McCain.

True, Obama's U-turn on public financing was not done for ideological reasons, it was done for Willie Sutton reasons: That's where the money is. It nonetheless betrayed a principle that so many in the press claimed to hold dear.

As public financing is not a principle dear to me, I am hardly dismayed by Obama's abandonment of it. Nor am I disappointed in the least by his other calculated and cynical repositionings. I have never had any illusions about Obama. I merely note with amazement that his media swooners seem to accept his every policy reversal with an equanimity unseen since the Daily Worker would change the party line overnight - switching sides in World War II, for example - whenever the wind from Moscow changed direction.

The truth about Obama is uncomplicated. He is just a politician (though of unusual skill and ambition). The man who dared say it plainly is the man who knows Obama all too well. "He does what politicians do," explained Jeremiah Wright.

When it's time to throw campaign finance reform, telecom accountability, NAFTA renegotiation or Jeremiah Wright overboard, Obama is not sentimental. He does not hesitate. He tosses lustily.

Why, the man even tossed his own grandmother overboard back in Philadelphia - only to haul her back on deck now that her services are needed. Yesterday, granny was the moral equivalent of the raving Rev. Wright. Today, she is a featured prop in Obama's fuzzy-wuzzy get-to-know-me national TV ad.

Not a flinch. Not a flicker. Not a hint of shame. By the time he's finished, Obama will have made the Clintons look scrupulous.

letters@charleskrauthammer.com

patteeu
07-01-2008, 08:57 AM
Slick Willie without the bimbo eruptions or the governing experience.

oldandslow
07-01-2008, 08:59 AM
And Krauthammer is just another hack columnist...

The bitterness some of the GOP feels about a Dem taking the White House is laughable.

Will Obama be pure as the driven snow on every issue. Of course not. No one can be - not Lincoln, Washington, Jefferson, Reagan, or Roosevelt. I could give you a list of "flip-flops" on each one of them.

That being said - Obama will be a fine, maybe great, president.

patteeu
07-01-2008, 09:05 AM
And Krauthammer is just another hack columnist...

The bitterness some of the GOP feels about a Dem taking the White House is laughable.

Will Obama be pure as the driven snow on every issue. Of course not. No one can be - not Lincoln, Washington, Jefferson, Reagan, or Roosevelt. I could give you a list of "flip-flops" on each one of them.

That being said - Obama will be a fine, maybe great, president.

All of the flip flops mentioned in the column have taken place during the course of one campaign. Do you really think you can give us a list of flip flops of this quality from the Presidents you named? I'm trying to think of what Reagan flip flopped on during his 1980 campaign and I'm drawing a blank, although I was fairly uninformed at that point in my life. I'm sure there was something, but I can't believe it was the same type of extreme flip flop that we're talking about here.

Baby Lee
07-01-2008, 09:13 AM
And Krauthammer is just another hack columnist...

The bitterness some of the GOP feels about a Dem taking the White House is laughable.

Will Obama be pure as the driven snow on every issue. Of course not. No one can be - not Lincoln, Washington, Jefferson, Reagan, or Roosevelt. I could give you a list of "flip-flops" on each one of them.

That being said - Obama will be a fine, maybe great, president.

To summarize, Krauthammer's right, but I don't care.

StcChief
07-01-2008, 09:16 AM
And Krauthammer is just another hack columnist...

The bitterness some of the GOP feels about a Dem taking the White House is laughable.

Will Obama be pure as the driven snow on every issue. Of course not. No one can be - not Lincoln, Washington, Jefferson, Reagan, or Roosevelt. I could give you a list of "flip-flops" on each one of them.

That being said - Obama will be a fine, maybe great, president.

might as well pass that on over :bong:

little jacob
07-01-2008, 09:22 AM
i bet this will please the militant nerds over at slashdot...

oldandslow
07-01-2008, 10:44 AM
All of the flip flops mentioned in the column have taken place during the course of one campaign. Do you really think you can give us a list of flip flops of this quality from the Presidents you named? I'm trying to think of what Reagan flip flopped on during his 1980 campaign and I'm drawing a blank, although I was fairly uninformed at that point in my life. I'm sure there was something, but I can't believe it was the same type of extreme flip flop that we're talking about here.

Reagan, as Governor of Calif, signed into law the most lenient abortion bill in the nation - before he was against it.

Lincoln made a speech in 1957 talking about NOT meddling in the South's affairs.

Jefferson thought that the creation of a national bank was unconstitutional, until he created one so that he could make the LA Purchase. I won't even talk about Tommy's issue with slavery.

EVERY elected (and candidate) official must evolve. Obama is moving to the center/left to garner more independent votes. Good on him.

HonestChieffan
07-01-2008, 10:50 AM
Change, Evolve....both good words. Apply them to Obama's stands

Flip flop, backtrack....Use those on anyone else.

Spin On

Adept Havelock
07-01-2008, 10:55 AM
Lincoln made a speech in 1957 talking about NOT meddling in the South's affairs.



Delivered via seance, no doubt. :p

HonestChieffan
07-01-2008, 10:58 AM
Delivered via seance, no doubt. :p

Should have heard the Confederate responce. They said Robert E. Lee was at his best.

oldandslow
07-01-2008, 11:39 AM
Delivered via seance, no doubt. :p

touche' - should have read 1857.

patteeu
07-01-2008, 02:08 PM
Reagan, as Governor of Calif, signed into law the most lenient abortion bill in the nation - before he was against it.

Lincoln made a speech in 1957 talking about NOT meddling in the South's affairs.

Jefferson thought that the creation of a national bank was unconstitutional, until he created one so that he could make the LA Purchase. I won't even talk about Tommy's issue with slavery.

EVERY elected (and candidate) official must evolve. Obama is moving to the center/left to garner more independent votes. Good on him.

Evolution is one thing, but these flips of Obama's are not evolutionary, they're complete reversals over a short period of time. Reagan signed that abortion bill over a decade before he ran for President. Obama's reversals have come during the course of one campaign. It reminds me of 1992 when Bill Clinton campaigned against Paul Tsongas in Florida by claiming that Tsongas' concern for balancing the budget and some of his proposals like an energy tax threatened old people. After Tsongas dropped out of the race, Clinton picked up many of the same positions he'd criticized Tsongas for without so much as blushing.

Here is what Reagan's wiki page (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronald_Reagan) says about his transformation on the abortion issue:

Early in 1967, the national debate on abortion was beginning. Democratic California state senator Anthony Beilenson introduced the "Therapeutic Abortion Act", in an effort to reduce the number of "back-room abortions" performed in California.[51] The State Legislature sent the bill to Reagan's desk where, after many days of indecision, he signed it.[54] About two million abortions would be performed as a result, most because of a provision in the bill allowing abortions for the well-being of the mother.[54] Reagan had been in office for only four months when he signed the bill, and stated that had he been more experienced as governor, it would not have been signed. After he recognized what he called the "consequences" of the bill, he announced that he was pro-life.[54] He maintained that position later in his political career, writing extensively about abortion.[55]