Is this the way they will go after Obama?

[BIG_DADDY]

I know there is some goofy stuff there but in a nutshell do you think this is the way they will go about it?

http://www.eyeblast.tv/Public/Video.aspx?rsrcID=2036

[Donger]

Where was that video of Barack Hussein not putting his hand over his heart taken? Was that Hillary Rodham and Richardson?

[Donger]

Here's one of Barack Hussein choosing not to place his hand over his heart during the playing of our national anthem. Perhaps it was because it was being sung so badly?

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[HonestChieffan]

I heard he was going to put hand over heart then he changed his mind.

[BIG_DADDY]

Here's one of Barack Hussein choosing not to place his hand over his heart during the playing of our national anthem. Perhaps it was because it was being sung so badly?

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Looks like he has a hold of his Johnson instead. GOD DAMN America. LMAO

[Donger]

I heard he was going to put hand over heart then he changed his mind.

According to the Barack Hussein campaign, "Asked whether Obama normally puts his hand over his heart while listening to the national anthem, Obama spokesman Bill Burton replied by e-mail: "Sometimes he does, sometimes he doesn't. In no way was he making any sort of statement, and any suggestion to the contrary is ridiculous."

[BIG_DADDY]

According to the Barack Hussein campaign, "Asked whether Obama normally puts his hand over his heart while listening to the national anthem, Obama spokesman Bill Burton replied by e-mail: "Sometimes he does, sometimes he doesn't. In no way was he making any sort of statement, and any suggestion to the contrary is ridiculous."

I just don't think he likes touching himself with his right hand. It's a muslim thang.

[Donger]

I just don't think he likes touching himself with his right hand. It's a muslim thang.

I'm serious. I think it's interesting that Barack Hussein chooses to sometimes not place his hand over his heart. I wonder what the trigger is?

Or, is asking about this fact a "smear"?

[BCD]

According to the Barack Hussein campaign, "Asked whether Obama normally puts his hand over his heart while listening to the national anthem, Obama spokesman Bill Burton replied by e-mail: "Sometimes he does, sometimes he doesn't. In no way was he making any sort of statement, and any suggestion to the contrary is ridiculous."I don't think its a big deal. If I'm at an event where the NA is played, I will put my cap over my chest, otherwise, no. BTW, I'm not an Obama supporter.

[Donger]

I don't think its a big deal. If I'm at an event where the NA is played, I will put my cap over my chest, otherwise, no. BTW, I'm not an Obama supporter.

So, if you aren't wearing a hat, you just stand there like Barack Hussein did?

[Nightwish]

So, if you aren't wearing a hat, you just stand there like Barack Hussein did?
A lot of people do. It's a ritual, not a rule. Not everybody believes in symbols and rituals, but it doesn't mean they don't believe in the values that the rituals are meant to express.

[BIG_DADDY]

I'm serious. I think it's interesting that Barack Hussein chooses to sometimes not place his hand over his heart. I wonder what the trigger is?

Or, is asking about this fact a "smear"?

I'm not sure what the trigger is but doing that sure wasn't very bright.

[Taco John]

I don't know that I put my hand over my heart for the national anthem. It's probably happened before. But what I never knew was that people saw it as some sort of requirement. It's not like it's the pledge of allegience, where you'd feel out of place without your hand on your heart. It's the anthem, where people are all sort of doing their own thing.

This whole fascination with this thing is what I find the most interesting.

[Donger]

A lot of people do. It's a ritual, not a rule. Not everybody believes in symbols and rituals, but it doesn't mean they don't believe in the values that the rituals are meant to express.

United States Code, 36 USC Sec. 301, states that during the playing of "The Star Spangled Banner" (United States National Anthem) when the flag is displayed, everyone except those in uniform should stand at attention while facing the flag with their right hand over their heart. Those in attendance who are not in uniform should remove any headwear with their right hand and hold it at their left shoulder, with their right hand held over their heart. Individuals in uniform should show the military salute during the first note of the anthem and stay in this position until the last note. If the flag is not displayed, people in attendance should face the music and respond as if the flag were present

[HonestChieffan]

To not cover your heart is a sign of no respect for the institution, the flag, the words, and those who died for that flag. Its irresponsible and immature. And its sad that anyone would be so rude when they were taught to know better.

[Pitt Gorilla]

To not cover your heart is a sign of no respect for the institution, the flag, the words, and those who died for that flag. Its irresponsible and immature. And its sad that anyone would be so rude when they were taught to know better.My father, who served in WWII, doesn't put his hand over his heart during the song. He stands at attention and sings along under his breath, occasionally tears up a bit, but he doesn't put his hand over his heart. I have no idea why, but I also don't feel the need to ask. It's his thing and I certainly wouldn't consider him "irresponsible and immature." WTF is wrong with you?

[Adept Havelock]

This whole fascination with this thing is what I find the most interesting.

True, that.

WTF is wrong with you?

Some people confuse symbols with actually being the thing they represent.



I'll go with the late G. Carlin's views on symbols.

[Donger]

So, we've established that United States Code, 36 USC Sec. 301 establishes the etiquette. Do you think that Barack Hussein is either unaware of it (as many here apparently were) or he simply chooses to ignore it?

[Adept Havelock]

So, we've established that United States Code, 36 USC Sec. 301 establishes the etiquette. Do you think that Barack Hussein is either unaware of it (as many here apparently were) or he simply chooses to ignore it?

Like the majority in attendance at Arrowhead on gameday, I doubt he's terribly concerned with the "etiquette" of the anthem. I'll stand respectfully, but I feel no need to do anything beyond that. It's only another symbol, and a symbol is not the thing it represents. :shrug:

[HonestChieffan]

Maybe he and Michelle share the feeling there is nothing to be proud of here.

[Adept Havelock]

Maybe he and Michelle share the feeling there is nothing to be proud of here.

Maybe he's not as symbol minded as you. :shrug:

[BIG_DADDY]

All this defense of Obama and nobody even mentioning that it might not have been very bright thing for someone running for the presidency of the United States to do especially after all the GOD DAMN AMERICA BS.

[Carlota69]

Ever since I've been dating a Staff Seargent in the Air Force, I have learned alot more about protocal during the NA. In fact, now I notice more and more the people who sing it, have no idea what the military personnel, especially the one holding the flagpole, are going thru during their "performance".

Apparently the flagpole is incredibly heavy and when someone takes their time, making the song their own, the poor guy/girl holding the flagpole is suffering. One time Kenny G was "performing" the song and held onto one note forever! My BF and I were dying watching, feeling so sorry for the poor guy holding the flagpole.

I also have more respect now as well. Didnt think I was disrespecting before, but now I know better.

[Donger]

Like the majority in attendance at Arrowhead on gameday, I doubt he's terribly concerned with the "etiquette" of the anthem. I'll stand respectfully, but I feel no need to do anything beyond that. It's only another symbol, and a symbol is not the thing it represents. :shrug:

Honestly, I'd hope that a man hoping to become President of the United States would either have greater knowledge or greater respect for the etiquette that should be displayed during the singing of our national anthem set forth by the organization of which he is a part.

I felt the same way when Bush signed his autograph on someone's flag, BTW.

[Carlota69]

All this defense of Obama and nobody even mentioning that it might not have been very bright thing for someone running for the presidency of the United States to do especially after all the GOD DAMN AMERICA BS.

I think the pic was taken before The Wright thing came out, but--I agree with you. He should be doing it because he is running for POTUS. You and I can go on for days talking about how we do or dont put our hands on our hearts, but we aren't running for office.

[BIG_DADDY]

I think the pic was taken before The Wright thing came out, but--I agree with you. He should be doing it because he is running for POTUS. You and I can go on for days talking about how we do or dont put our hands on our hearts, but we aren't running for office.

Exactly. Point is some will be offended and that doesn't help him. IMO BHO needs to run and almost flawless campaign to pull this off. He simply cannot afford to continue pissing off gun owners, women, christians, white people and people who consider it unpatriotic to be holding your johnson during the nathional anthem. JMO

[Adept Havelock]

Honestly, I'd hope that a man hoping to become President of the United States would either have greater knowledge or greater respect for the etiquette that should be displayed during the singing of our national anthem set forth by the organization of which he is a part.

I felt the same way when Bush signed his autograph on someone's flag, BTW.

I guess I just don't get why it upsets people. I'll gladly admit symbols in general mean very little to me. Perhaps if they did I could see that POV.

[SBK]

Exactly. Point is some will be offended and that doesn't help him. IMO BHO needs to run and almost flawless campaign to pull this off. He simply cannot afford to continue pissing off gun owners, women, christians, white people and people who consider it unpatriotic to be holding your johnson during the nathional anthem. JMO

He can do whatever he wants. People who disagree are racist!!!LMAO

[Donger]

I guess I just don't get why it upsets people. I'll gladly admit symbols in general mean very little to me. Perhaps if they did I could see that POV.

I understand that, but as far as I know, you are neither a member of Congress nor a candidate for POTUS.

Surely you see the difference.

[Adept Havelock]

I understand that, but as far as I know, you are neither a member of Congress nor a candidate for POTUS.

Surely you see the difference.

Not really. It's just a symbol/ritual. I'm far more interested in how someone acts towards what a symbol represents than how they pay homage to a symbol. Obviously some people are very touchy about them, but I don't get it. Doesn't matter IMO if they are an average joe or running for office. Either way, it's just another symbol and (IMO) mostly meaningless ritual.

Now, if they were clowning around making faces showing disrespect and disrupting the ritual, maybe I could understand getting upset about it. However, that doesn't seem to be the case AFAICS.

[BucEyedPea]

United States Code, 36 USC Sec. 301, states that during the playing of "The Star Spangled Banner" (United States National Anthem) when the flag is displayed, everyone except those in uniform should stand at attention while facing the flag with their right hand over their heart. Those in attendance who are not in uniform should remove any headwear with their right hand and hold it at their left shoulder, with their right hand held over their heart. Individuals in uniform should show the military salute during the first note of the anthem and stay in this position until the last note. If the flag is not displayed, people in attendance should face the music and respond as if the flag were present

I NEVER knew any of this before. I always stood but never put my hand over my heart.

[tiptap]

It is sorta a religious thing to put your hand over your heart. I would prefer something that would refer to his intellect. So I don't know what symbolism would be more to my personal beliefs.

[BIG_DADDY]

I NEVER knew any of this before. I always stood but never put my hand over my heart.

Did you go to school in this country?

[bkkcoh]

Did you go to school in this country?

He was always a rebel!

Right BD?

[Adept Havelock]

It is sorta a religious thing to put your hand over your heart. I would prefer something that would refer to his intellect. So I don't know what symbolism would be more to my personal beliefs.

Perhaps the salute of the People's Front of Judea?

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[BIG_DADDY]

Perhaps the salute of the People's Front of Judea?

.

I think he prefered the johnson grab

[Adept Havelock]

I think he prefered the johnson grab

tiptap wanted something more indicative of the intellect than reflecting the old superstitions about the heart. Just because you might let the little head do your thinking... :p

[jettio]

If you have a gifted black person running for President and you have a lot of hateful white people who are jealous and hateful, you get this kind of sh*t.

I think it is a real shame that our country is able to give the impression that enough of its people are actually this stupid and prejudiced.

I hope Obama wins and makes all of the racists eat their hearts out.

[Donger]

If you have a gifted black person running for President and you have a lot of hateful white people who are jealous and hateful, you get this kind of sh*t.

I think it is a real shame that our country is able to give the impression that enough of its people are actually this stupid and prejudiced.

I hope Obama wins and makes all of the racists eat their hearts out.

How does anyone seriously read this thread and bring up race?

[bkkcoh]

If you have a gifted black person running for President and you have a lot of hateful white people who are jealous and hateful, you get this kind of sh*t.

I think it is a real shame that our country is able to give the impression that enough of its people are actually this stupid and prejudiced.

I hope Obama wins and makes all of the racists eat their hearts out.

I would say it is debatable as to whether or not he is a gifted person. I personally don't think he is, but that is my opinion.

[Donger]

Not really. It's just a symbol/ritual. I'm far more interested in how someone acts towards what a symbol represents than how they pay homage to a symbol. Obviously some people are very touchy about them, but I don't get it. Doesn't matter IMO if they are an average joe or running for office. Either way, it's just another symbol and (IMO) mostly meaningless ritual.

Now, if they were clowning around making faces showing disrespect and disrupting the ritual, maybe I could understand getting upset about it. However, that doesn't seem to be the case AFAICS.

Ritual? Is not US Code law?

And, that's why I asked. If Barack Hussein knows the code and chooses to ignore it, that it disrespectful, IMO.

[little jacob]

If you have a gifted black person running for President and you have a lot of hateful white people who are jealous and hateful, you get this kind of sh*t.

I think it is a real shame that our country is able to give the impression that enough of its people are actually this stupid and prejudiced.

I hope Obama wins and makes all of the racists eat their hearts out.

refusal to support obama = racism eh

[BucEyedPea]

Did you go to school in this country?

Sure did. But it was mostly private parochial school and we never did that. In fact for 12 years the Anthem was never played. Never in college 2 yrs parochial 2 years hippy art school.. I only heard it in a public HS, not daily and only at a few events. Never, ever given that kind of information. But I prayed—a LOT. Enough to last a lifetime. In the AM, before lunch, after lunch, at the end of the school day and every hour on the hour to the sound of a bell. Remember it's "God, family, country." In that order.

[BIG_DADDY]

If you have a gifted black person running for President and you have a lot of hateful white people who are jealous and hateful, you get this kind of sh*t.

I think it is a real shame that our country is able to give the impression that enough of its people are actually this stupid and prejudiced.

I hope Obama wins and makes all of the racists eat their hearts out.

Obama wants to impliment racial preferences in jobs and schools. We all know who those those preferences are against.

Obama belonged to a church and has a mentor and spiritual advisor who preaches about hate for whitey and likes hanging with Farrakhan. The hate is so extreme he literally says GOD DAMN AMERICA.

After all this you see see his critics as being the racists? LMAO Wow, that's all I have to say about that.

BIG DADDY

Ready to see him rant about steroids and pit bulls now.

[Adept Havelock]

Ritual? Is not US Code law?


Just because it's codified doesn't prevent it from being (IMO) empty and meaningless ritual.

[Donger]

Just because it's codified doesn't prevent it from being (IMO) empty and meaningless ritual.

Okay.

[BucEyedPea]

Ritual? Is not US Code law?

And, that's why I asked. If Barack Hussein knows the code and chooses to ignore it, that it disrespectful, IMO.

Something like that should not be a law. I am sorry. What are you gonna do arrest and fine people? LMAO

[Donger]

Something like that should not be a law. I am sorry. What are you gonna do arrest and fine people? LMAO

I don't know. I'm not a lawyer. But, I doubt it.

[Donger]

If you have a gifted black person running for President and you have a lot of hateful white people who are jealous and hateful, you get this kind of sh*t.

I think it is a real shame that our country is able to give the impression that enough of its people are actually this stupid and prejudiced.

I hope Obama wins and makes all of the racists eat their hearts out.

So, I take it we can view this as a positive post?

[BIG_DADDY]

Sure did. But it was mostly private parochial school and we never did that. In fact for 12 years the Anthem was never played. Never in college 2 yrs parochial 2 years hippy art school.. I only heard it in a public HS, not daily and only at a few events. Never, ever given that kind of information. But I prayed—a LOT. Enough to last a lifetime. In the AM, before lunch, after lunch, at the end of the school day and every hour on the hour to the sound of a bell. Remember it's "God, family, country." In that order.

I did it through the 8th grade. Even at the ballpark most people do it now even in the People's Republic of California.

[BIG_DADDY]

So, I take it we can view this as a positive post?

LMAO

[Taco John]

To not cover your heart is a sign of no respect for the institution, the flag, the words, and those who died for that flag. Its irresponsible and immature. And its sad that anyone would be so rude when they were taught to know better.

People are taught to rise for the national anthem, not necessarily to put their hand over their heart.

[jettio]

I would say it is debatable as to whether or not he is a gifted person. I personally don't think he is, but that is my opinion.


That says a lot about you.

He is obviously very talented.

[Donger]

LMAO

I'm actually concerned about the guy. If Barack Hussein loses the GE, I'd stay away from clock towers and school book type places in the KC metro.

[BucEyedPea]

I did it through the 8th grade. Even at the ballpark most people do it now even in the People's Republic of California.

I remember seeing SOME people do it over their hearts at stadiums, but it wasn't everyone. Don't get me wrong. I like our anthem. I even stand at home in friends' houses and sportsbars when it's played before a game. And usually I'm one of the few doing even that.

EDIT: Now that I think about it BD, I remember being at a Buc game a couple of years ago and seeing more people with their hands on their hearts. I remember thinking "wtf are they doing that for...that's for the Pledge." Maybe it's because I'm from Mass. I don't recall anyone doing it there.I really don't.

[BucEyedPea]

My interpretation of the picture is that Obama was getting a HO hearing the Nat'l Anthem and just got embarrassed.:p

[HonestChieffan]

If you have a gifted black person running for President and you have a lot of hateful white people who are jealous and hateful, you get this kind of sh*t.

I think it is a real shame that our country is able to give the impression that enough of its people are actually this stupid and prejudiced.

I hope Obama wins and makes all of the racists eat their hearts out.

Was there something said about him being black? If he was a gifter white man or brown man or yellow man or green woman....disrespect for the flag, the anthem, and the country should not be tolerated.

Oh...will black racists have a share of the heart supper?

[BIG_DADDY]

I'm actually concerned about the guy. If Barack Hussein loses the GE, I'd stay away from clock towers and school book type places in the KC metro.

There are many benefits just from an amusement standpoint in seeing BHO lose. Watching Move on, the media and all his disciples cry is right at the top of the list.

[jettio]

Was there something said about him being black? If he was a gifter white man or brown man or yellow man or green woman....disrespect for the flag, the anthem, and the country should not be tolerated.

Oh...will black racists have a share of the heart supper?


He did not show disrespect. He was singing the words of the anthem in the clip featured in the thread.

You are just a liar trying to trick people.

[BIG_DADDY]

He did not show disrespect. He was singing the words of the anthem in the clip featured in the thread.

You are just a liar trying to trick people.

He must be a racist just like everyone else who doesn't like Obama. That tricky charlatan.

[HonestChieffan]

He did not show disrespect. He was singing the words of the anthem in the clip featured in the thread.

You are just a liar trying to trick people.

Not conforming to a well understood tradition of covering your heart by a man with a Harvard education who wants to be President is not only disrespectful it is amazingly stupid.

Unless......

I wonder if he harbors so antipathy toward the flag, clinging to some long ago taught lessons in a small school in indonesia....naw, he just didnt notice everyone else in the crowd and on stage had crossed their hearts....

[Donger]

He did not show disrespect. He was singing the words of the anthem in the clip featured in the thread.

You are just a liar trying to trick people.

Actually, singing the anthem is not part of the etiquette.

[BIG_DADDY]

Actually, singing the anthem is not part of the etiquette.

What about grabbing your package?

[Calcountry]

To not cover your heart is a sign of no respect for the institution, the flag, the words, and those who died for that flag. Its irresponsible and immature. And its sad that anyone would be so rude when they were taught to know better.
They died in vain according to Hussein.

Kind of a Johnny Cochoran campaign slogan.

[Calcountry]

Honestly, I'd hope that a man hoping to become President of the United States would either have greater knowledge or greater respect for the etiquette that should be displayed during the singing of our national anthem set forth by the organization of which he is a part.

I felt the same way when Bush signed his autograph on someone's flag, BTW.
The man is all about bringing change bro.

[Calcountry]

I NEVER knew any of this before. I always stood but never put my hand over my heart.
I am stunned. I thought you knew everything.

[BucEyedPea]

I am stunned. I thought you knew everything.

Of course I don't which is why I don't post in some threads or just read others.
I post where I'm read up.

[BCD]

So, if you aren't wearing a hat, you just stand there like Barack Hussein did?No, I sing along. I'm not a freakin' commie. :)

[Calcountry]

Of course I don't which is why I don't post in some threads or just read others.
I post where I'm read up.
This is obviously important to you, why?

Do you think you are going to change the world with your posts?

THis is all entertainment to me, pure and simple.

[BCD]

If you have a gifted black person running for President and you have a lot of hateful white people who are jealous and hateful, you get this kind of sh*t.

I think it is a real shame that our country is able to give the impression that enough of its people are actually this stupid and prejudiced.

I hope Obama wins and makes all of the racists eat their hearts out.Douchebaggery. :spock:

[BCD]

Jettio proving what an ignorant ass he really is. If BHO wins, his votes will be predominately white.

[HolmeZz]

If you have a gifted black person running for President and you have a lot of hateful white people who are jealous and hateful, you get this kind of sh*t.

I think it is a real shame that our country is able to give the impression that enough of its people are actually this stupid and prejudiced.

I hope Obama wins and makes all of the racists eat their hearts out.

You're being as retarded as the people trying to make an issue out of Obama not putting his hand over his heart. This same stunt would be getting pulled against a white candidate. The Republicans always try to make patriotism an issue against the Democrats.

The level of discourse in this forum and in this country is sad. It's almost not worth discussing anything substantial because it always gets reduced to this silly crap.

[Sully]

If you have a gifted black person running for President and you have a lot of hateful white people who are jealous and hateful, you get this kind of sh*t.

I think it is a real shame that our country is able to give the impression that enough of its people are actually this stupid and prejudiced.

I hope Obama wins and makes all of the racists eat their hearts out.

I'm on your side with the Obama thing, so please, take this with as much respect as can be offered....

but seriously...

Shut the **** up about the racism thing. Does it come up? Absolutely. Are there a few guys on this board who are fully on the racism angle-train? Without doubt. But you bringing up race at every opportunity, whether it is there or not, just weakens the point, and feeds into their insecurities. And it makes you look like a whacko.

IMO, there is nothing racist about this topic. I think it's overcooked. I think it's silly. And there is a strong possibility that some who are overcooking it are doing so out of some deep seeded racism. But you don't know that, nor do I. So simply friggin drop it. It's silly.

[BIG_DADDY]

I'm on your side with the Obama thing, so please, take this with as much respect as can be offered....

but seriously...

Shut the **** up about the racism thing. Does it come up? Absolutely. Are there a few guys on this board who are fully on the racism angle-train? Without doubt. But you bringing up race at every opportunity, whether it is there or not, just weakens the point, and feeds into their insecurities. And it makes you look like a whacko.

IMO, there is nothing racist about this topic. I think it's overcooked. I think it's silly. And there is a strong possibility that some who are overcooking it are doing so out of some deep seeded racism. But you don't know that, nor do I. So simply friggin drop it. It's silly.

WOW, look at Sully keeping the youngster in line. LMAO

[jettio]

I'm on your side with the Obama thing, so please, take this with as much respect as can be offered....

but seriously...

Shut the **** up about the racism thing. Does it come up? Absolutely. Are there a few guys on this board who are fully on the racism angle-train? Without doubt. But you bringing up race at every opportunity, whether it is there or not, just weakens the point, and feeds into their insecurities. And it makes you look like a whacko.

IMO, there is nothing racist about this topic. I think it's overcooked. I think it's silly. And there is a strong possibility that some who are overcooking it are doing so out of some deep seeded racism. But you don't know that, nor do I. So simply friggin drop it. It's silly.

I suppose it is a lull in the campaign, but the quality of the discussion in this place has gone down a lot.

It is simply true that the folks that are the targets of these misinformation campaigns are less educated white folks whose racial anxieties are being exploited.

And some of those folks are trying to take over the forum by posting stupid and thoughtless sh*t.

Think about this thread, the claim is that the anthem and the flag are sacred, but evidently not sacred enough for them not to be exploited by peoople who want to lie about a Presidential candidate.

Each of the pea-brained sh*theads that are trying to use the flag and the anthem to lie for political purposes are doing more insult to the flag and anthem than Obama ever did.

This forum is turning into a sh*tty place because it is being taken over by hateful and stupid people.

[jettio]

You're being as retarded as the people trying to make an issue out of Obama not putting his hand over his heart. This same stunt would be getting pulled against a white candidate. The Republicans always try to make patriotism an issue against the Democrats.

The level of discourse in this forum and in this country is sad. It's almost not worth discussing anything substantial because it always gets reduced to this silly crap.


It is not my fault that the Hannity hyena pack is taking over the forum.

[Donger]

Think about this thread, the claim is that the anthem and the flag are sacred, but evidently not sacred enough for them not to be exploited by peoople who want to lie about a Presidential candidate.

What lies?

[Donger]

It is not my fault that the Hannity hyena pack is taking over the forum.

Why don't you tell us what issues or things we can criticize Barack Hussein over, and then perhaps we can proceed without any further bizarre racist claims from you.

Deal?

[jettio]

He must be a racist just like everyone else who doesn't like Obama. That tricky charlatan.


Just keep making an azz of yourself and turning this forum into a place that chiefs fans can no longer recommend as a cool place to post about current events as well as football.

Your status in this community has gone down a lot in the last year and the more stupid sh*t you post the lower it will go still.

[Adam]

I was raised with all kinds of patriotic fanfare. I'm an Eagle Scout, and have been a part of many, many silent and reverent flag raising ceremonies, etc. Never was it stated as a general rule that you were supposed to cover your heart with your hand during the national anthem. Most of our scout leaders were ex-military, none of them did. None of the scouts did. We all stood silently at attention with our hats removed, but that was it. (Note: unless the flag was actually being raised or lowered, under which situation we would salute.) We saluted or covered our hearts when we said the pledge.

It wasn't until many years later when I started noticing it more and more at football games that I realized that it had become somewhat popular for people to cover their hearts when hearing the national anthem.

[Adam]

And one more thing - I kind of like the idea of covering one's heart when listening to the national anthem. I actually have started doing it myself at games. But it isn't something that I was aware had become unpatriotic not to do.

[Adept Havelock]

I was raised with all kinds of patriotic fanfare. I'm an Eagle Scout, and have been a part of many, many silent and reverent flag raising ceremonies, etc. Never was it stated as a general rule that you were supposed to cover your heart with your hand during the national anthem. Most of our scout leaders were ex-military, none of them did. None of the scouts did. We all stood silently at attention with our hats removed, but that was it. (Note: unless the flag was actually being raised or lowered, under which situation we would salute.) We saluted or covered our hearts when we said the pledge.

It wasn't until many years later when I started noticing it more and more at football games that I realized that it had become somewhat popular for people to cover their hearts when hearing the national anthem.

Little did you suspect your Scout troop was a bunch of law-breakers.

One step removed from F@gin and the Artful Dodger, to be sure. :p

[Donger]

I was raised with all kinds of patriotic fanfare. I'm an Eagle Scout, and have been a part of many, many silent and reverent flag raising ceremonies, etc. Never was it stated as a general rule that you were supposed to cover your heart with your hand during the national anthem. Most of our scout leaders were ex-military, none of them did. None of the scouts did. We all stood silently at attention with our hats removed, but that was it. (Note: unless the flag was actually being raised or lowered, under which situation we would salute.) We saluted or covered our hearts when we said the pledge.

It wasn't until many years later when I started noticing it more and more at football games that I realized that it had become somewhat popular for people to cover their hearts when hearing the national anthem.

As I said earlier, I'm more curious why Barack Hussein places his hand over his heart during the anthem sometimes but not at others.

[Adam]

As I said earlier, I'm more curious why Barack Hussein places his hand over his heart during the anthem sometimes but not at others.

Maybe sometimes he forgets, and figures it would look uncool to put his hand over his heart mid-song, therefore proving that he wasn't really paying close attention when the song began.

[Donger]

Maybe sometimes he forgets, and figures it would look uncool to put his hand over his heart mid-song, therefore proving that he wasn't really paying close attention when the song began.

Anything's possible, I suppose.

[penchief]

To not cover your heart is a sign of no respect for the institution, the flag, the words, and those who died for that flag. Its irresponsible and immature. And its sad that anyone would be so rude when they were taught to know better.

Honestly, most people who have never been in the military don't know to cover their heart with their hand. We were taught to do that with the pledge of allegience in school but we were only taught to stand for the national anthem. Only when I joined the Navy did I find out what the proper protocol was. Prior to that, like most people I only stood and removed my cap if I was wearing one.

[Taco John]

As I said earlier, I'm more curious why Barack Hussein places his hand over his heart during the anthem sometimes but not at others.


You're a really wierd dude.

[Donger]

You're a really wierd dude.

Why? It's a the same song, every time.

[penchief]

You're a really wierd dude.

Naw, he's just somebody who thinks that reminiding people that Obama has a middle name like Saddam will make people wary of him. I don't know if he's playing the terrorist card or the muslim card. Either way, it's not weird, it's just ignorant.

[BucEyedPea]

Anything's possible, I suppose.

Maybe he had to pee.

[BucEyedPea]

This is obviously important to you, why?
Just enjoy giving my opinion on this because I was never taught to put my hand over my heart. Other than that, it's really none of your bizness.

Do you think you are going to change the world with your posts?
Huh? What about yours. Quit being so deep. Republicans are on the ropes today and are getting more defensive all the time and you fit the bill especially by trying to censor speech ( posts) that don't support you on the war. Enjoy your $10 a gallon oil, skyrocketing food, airfare and inflation for your Trostskyte notions of pre-emptive war. Kill as many Ayy-rabs and Persians as you can man. May God have mercy on your Christian soul.

THis is all entertainment to me, pure and simple.

Glad you're entertained. To each his own.

[Chiefnj2]

You have to love the ignorance of the symbol-minded people. Not putting your hand on your heart is offensive and unpatriotic, but opposing GI bills that bestow benefits on servicemen and not showing up to vote on the bills is okay.

[BIG_DADDY]

Just keep making an azz of yourself and turning this forum into a place that chiefs fans can no longer recommend as a cool place to post about current events as well as football.

Your status in this community has gone down a lot in the last year and the more stupid sh*t you post the lower it will go still.

Now you speak for the community? LMAO

[Calcountry]

I remember seeing SOME people do it over their hearts at stadiums, but it wasn't everyone. Don't get me wrong. I like our anthem. I even stand at home in friends' houses and sportsbars when it's played before a game. And usually I'm one of the few doing even that.

EDIT: Now that I think about it BD, I remember being at a Buc game a couple of years ago and seeing more people with their hands on their hearts. I remember thinking "wtf are they doing that for...that's for the Pledge." Maybe it's because I'm from Mass. I don't recall anyone doing it there.I really don't.
ROFL

[BIG_DADDY]

You're a really wierd dude.

LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO Yea he's the wierd one.

[BucEyedPea]

ROFL

ROFL:LOL:

[BCD]

I often wonder what liberals around here would do if Bush were black....

[BCD]

I suppose it is a lull in the campaign, but the quality of the discussion in this place has gone down a lot.

It is simply true that the folks that are the targets of these misinformation campaigns are less educated white folks whose racial anxieties are being exploited.

And some of those folks are trying to take over the forum by posting stupid and thoughtless sh*t.

Think about this thread, the claim is that the anthem and the flag are sacred, but evidently not sacred enough for them not to be exploited by peoople who want to lie about a Presidential candidate.

Each of the pea-brained sh*theads that are trying to use the flag and the anthem to lie for political purposes are doing more insult to the flag and anthem than Obama ever did.

This forum is turning into a sh*tty place because it is being taken over by hateful and stupid people.Personally, I don't give a rats ass if he covers his heart during the NA. Its just not very 'presidential' NOT to do it.

[banyon]

I often wonder what liberals around here would do if Bush were black....

I guess the same way Alan Keyes and Michael Steele are treated.