Kansas gives tuition break to illegals

[little jacob]

Tuition break for some illegal immigrants stands

TOPEKA | A law giving some illegal immigrants a tuition break at Kansas universities and colleges has withstood a legal challenge.

The U.S. Supreme Court has refused to reinstate a lawsuit against the 2004 law filed by out-of-state students attending Kansas institutions.

The law allows illegal immigrants to qualify for the lower tuition rates reserved for legal Kansas residents.

A federal judge dismissed the lawsuit in July 2005, saying the students who filed it couldn’t show they were harmed by the law. The 10th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in Denver reached the same conclusion.

Last week, the nation’s highest court refused to consider the students’ appeal.

Critics of the law are promising to continue challenging it.

The Associated Press

http://www.kansascity.com/news/breaking_news/story/688644.html

[Donger]

I don't see the problem with this. I'd rather pay for the undocumented workers' education rather than have them on the streets.

[chiefforlife]

I don't see the problem with this. I'd rather pay for the undocumented workers' education rather than have them on the streets.

I dont like it at all. I also dont leave out the word "illegal" when referring to these individuals. Why should anyone be rewarded for breaking the law?

[Donger]

I dont like it at all. I also dont leave out the word "illegal" when referring to these individuals. Why should anyone be rewarded for breaking the law?

As an immigrant myself, I have a lot of compassion for these people. Illegal just has a nasty ring to it.

[bkkcoh]

It seems like it might be discrimination to out of state students also?

I can't wait for the first law suit regarding that.

[banyon]

It's a terrible law, but the Court ruled correctly, IMO that the plaintiffs had no standing to challenge it.

[little jacob]

well, wasn't Kathleen Sebelius trying to issue drivers' licenses to them too? i don't think this should surprise anyone.

between the driver's license, tuition discounts, and all the various employment opportunities around the state, Kansas might be one of the most illegal-friendly states in the union

[banyon]

well, wasn't Kathleen Sebelius trying to issue drivers' licenses to them too? i don't think this should surprise anyone.

between the driver's license, tuition discounts, and all the various employment opportunities around the state, Kansas might be one of the most illegal-friendly states in the union

That's nothing, come to Western Kansas. It's night and day. They don't pay taxes and get all the government benefits they can take, and nobody does a damn thing about it. Many of their kids have nothing to do and join gangs, since the parents don't have time to supervise them, and we also get the corresponding crime increase.

And we are already issuing plenty of illegals driver's licenses.

People have pretty much raised the white flag.

[dirk digler]

It seems like it might de discrimination to out of state students also?

I can't wait for the first law suit regarding that.

Yep this is a stupid law and it goes to show that illegals are getting alot of the same rights as legal Americans.

IMHO they shouldn't get jack shit except a swift kick in the ass out of the country.

[chiefforlife]

As an immigrant myself, I have a lot of compassion for these people. Illegal just has a nasty ring to it.

I have absolutely no problem with immigrants, as we all are. Its that "illegal" part that bothers me and it should entitle them to nothing. Especially not more than a citizen of the U.S..

[Donger]

I have absolutely no problem with immigrants, as we all are. Its that "illegal" part that bothers me and it should entitle them to nothing. Especially not more than a citizen of the U.S..

Sorry, but unless you are a first generation immigrant, you have no idea what it is like. These non-legally participating migrant guest workers went through tremendous hardships to get here.

What did you do?

[banyon]

Sorry, but unless you are a first generation immigrant, you have no idea what it is like. These non-legally participating migrant guest workers went through tremendous hardships to get here.

What did you do?

Thieves and drug dealers are often having a difficult time making end's meet too. They also take tremendous risks.

[Amnorix]

It's a terrible law, but the Court ruled correctly, IMO that the plaintiffs had no standing to challenge it.

Right.

Though I can't say I understand how an illegal alien can be a legal resident and hterefore qualify for an in-state tuition discount. Seems rather silly and contradictory to me.

A big part of our problems is that our immigration laws are for the most part stupid in many, many ways.

[dirk digler]

Sorry, but unless you are a first generation immigrant, you have no idea what it is like. These non-legally participating migrant guest workers went through tremendous hardships to get here.

What did you do?

who gives a shit go back to your own country. I don't want my tax dollars paying for illegals to get free healthcare and cheap schooling when regular Americans can't even get that.

[Sully]

It amazes me that every time Donger pulls this, so many regulars still fall for it.

It's weird.

[Donger]

Thieves and drug dealers are often having a difficult time making end's meet too. They also take tremendous risks.

I don't equate migrant workers to such people. If you do, fine.

[banyon]

It amazes me that every time Donger pulls this, so many regulars still fall for it.

It's weird.

Why does he keep pulling it?

part of me thinks he's half taking these ideas seriously.

[Donger]

who gives a shit go back to your own country. I don't want my tax dollars paying for illegals to get free healthcare and cheap schooling when regular Americans can't even get that.

Maybe the "Americans" should work harder?

[banyon]

I don't equate migrant workers to such people. If you do, fine.

I equate the pressures and difficulties which you cited as important.

[little jacob]

That's nothing, come to Western Kansas. It's night and day. They don't pay taxes and get all the government benefits they can take, and nobody does a damn thing about it. Many of their kids have nothing to do and join gangs, since the parents don't have time to supervise them, and we also get the corresponding crime increase.

And we are already issuing plenty of illegals driver's licenses.

People have pretty much raised the white flag.

i wonder if a recession happens if people will change their attitudes somewhat. if there are people out of work i wonder how they will feel about seeing all the illegals marching into that local meatpacking plant every day?

unemployment is 5.5 right now, which is still pretty low, but you have to wonder.

[Sully]

I think it's just fun for him.

[Chiefnj2]

Does it make sense to grant amnesty to all illegals in the US and give them 6 months to register and become legal. Those that don't register and who are later caught will immediately be deported. This way wouldn't all the new "legals" be on the records, pay taxes, and stop obtaining the "benefits" that people believe they have.

[dirk digler]

Maybe the "Americans" should work harder?

Maybe or maybe they should pay us better.

[Donger]

I equate the pressures and difficulties which you cited as important.

Pressure? Difficulties? Imagine trying to live your life always wondering when and if the ICE goons are going to come knocking on your door.

[chiefforlife]

Sorry, but unless you are a first generation immigrant, you have no idea what it is like. These non-legally participating migrant guest workers went through tremendous hardships to get here.

What did you do?

If they are able to go through such hardships, why do they not go through the hardship of gaining legal status?
You feel that because they came here illegally, that they should receive cheaper tuition than a U.S. citizen who's family has paid into the system their whole lives. A person living in another state should pay more than an illegal alien?

"What did I do?" I really dont see how that has anything to do with "illegal" aliens receiving cheap tuition.

[little jacob]

Maybe or maybe they should pay us better.

they should just pay "us" better even if we don't work harder?

[dirk digler]

Pressure? Difficulties? Imagine trying to live your life always wondering when and if the ICE goons are going to come knocking on your door.

LMAO Ok now I know you are just bullshitting me.

[Sully]

If they are able to go through such hardships, why do they not go through the hardship of gaining legal status?
You feel that because they came here illegally, that they should receive cheaper tuition than a U.S. citizen who's family has paid into the system their whole lives. A person living in another state should pay more than an illegal alien?

"What did I do?" I really dont see how that has anything to do with "illegal" aliens receiving cheap tuition.

He's pullig your leg. He agrees with you!

ROFL

[dirk digler]

they should just pay "us" better even if we don't work harder?

of course ;)

I always deserve more money

[Donger]

If they are able to go through such hardships, why do they not go through the hardship of gaining legal status?
You feel that because they came here illegally, that they should receive cheaper tuition than a U.S. citizen who's family has paid into the system their whole lives. A person living in another state should pay more than an illegal alien?

"What did I do?" I really dont see how that has anything to do with "illegal" aliens receiving cheap tuition.

So, I take it that you were born here? You did nothing to earn your ivory tower other than being vomited from your mother's vagina.

[little jacob]

of course ;)

I always deserve more money

many people are underpaid but I think most are overpaid.

[memyselfI]

So, I take it that you were born here? You did nothing to earn your ivory tower other than being vomited from your mother's vagina.

Devil's advocate???? :spock:

[dirk digler]

many people are underpaid but I think most are overpaid.

speak for yourself :p

[little jacob]

So, I take it that you were born here? You did nothing to earn your ivory tower other than being vomited from your mother's vagina.

i have traveled in and out of the EU a few times, and i noticed that they check my passport on entry and wouldn't admit me without one or permit me to stay probably. And you have virtually no chance to get a work permit there if you don't have even a basic education or some kind of skill. you can get one based on your level of education and salary level but... dirt farmers wouldn't even need to waste their time trying.

maybe we should take a cue from all the progressive democracies in western europe? not even they have liberal immigration policies like liberals here would have us adopt

[chiefforlife]

i have traveled in and out of the EU a few times, and i noticed that they check my passport on entry and wouldn't admit me without one or permit me to stay probably. And you have virtually no chance to get a work permit there if you don't have even a basic education or some kind of skill. you can get one based on your level of education and salary level but... dirt farmers wouldn't even need to waste their time trying.

maybe we should take a cue from all the progressive democracies in western europe? not even they have liberal immigration policies like liberals here would have us adopt

I think our immigration policys as well as our trade agreements should be that of whatever country we are dealing with. In other words, whatever your policy is, we have an equal policy with you.
If you dont import our stuff, we dont import yours. If you shoot our citizens upon illegal entry, we shoot yours.

[jettio]

Right.

Though I can't say I understand how an illegal alien can be a legal resident and hterefore qualify for an in-state tuition discount. Seems rather silly and contradictory to me.

A big part of our problems is that our immigration laws are for the most part stupid in many, many ways.


I think the law is for graduates of Kansas public high schools.

Children may be here illegally but a 1970s US Supreme court decision, I think Plyler v. Doe, ruled that it failed simple rational basis scrutiny to deny illegal immigrant children public elementary education.

I think the rationale for the law is you have to let them go to elementary and secondary school, why not let them go to a Kansas public university at resident rates since they were children accompanying parents who broke the law.

[Donger]

The children of undocumented guest workers who are born here are US citizens.

[dirk digler]

The children of undocumented guest workers who are born here are US citizens.

Unfortunately. That law needs to be changed too.

[Donger]

Unfortunately. That law needs to be changed too.

You don't like the 14th, eh? Figures.

[chiefforlife]

The children of undocumented guest workers who are born here are US citizens.

No more anchor babies!

[little jacob]

Unfortunately. That law needs to be changed too.

you could solve the problem in two steps, start throwing employers in prison for giving illegals jobs, and what you mentioned. no one will walk all the way across a desert for nothing.

on the other hand, if we have guest workers or something like that, there won't be anyone left in mexico. we might as well just annex the place and at least get their resources if we have to pay for their underclass

[Donger]

No more anchor babies!

That's lovely.

[chiefforlife]

you could solve the problem in two steps, start throwing employers in prison for giving illegals jobs, and what you mentioned. no one will walk all the way across a desert for nothing.

on the other hand, if we have guest workers or something like that, there won't be anyone left in mexico. we might as well just annex the place and at least get their resources if we have to pay for their underclass

I agree, two simple solutions. Crack down on Employers is the biggest!

[Donger]

Yes, yes. Let's punish the employers of those who do the work that no American wants to do.

[little jacob]

Yes, yes. Let's punish the employers of those who do the work that no American wants to do.

who was doing that work 20 or 30 years ago?

[chiefforlife]

Yes, yes. Let's punish the employers of those who do the work that no American wants to do.

Thats BS! Americans wont do it for $2.00 an hour, that is true.

[Donger]

who was doing that work 20 or 30 years ago?

Non-legally participating migrant guest workers.

[Donger]

Thats BS! Americans wont do it for $2.00 an hour, that is true.

That may be a ChiefsPlanet speed record for contradiction.

[little jacob]

Non-legally participating migrant guest workers.

i don't believe that 20 years ago there were 20 million illegal aliens in the united states. i think most of that work was being done by young people earning money while still living at home, those same people who typically occupy at or near minimum wage jobs today.

[chiefforlife]

That may be a ChiefsPlanet speed record for contradiction.

You said they wont do it, I said they wont do it for $2.00 dollars an hour. Those are two different perspectives. Yes that will raise the price of vegetables.

You know, maybe we can help the health care costs by hiring illegal aliens to provide it.

[Donger]

i don't believe that 20 years ago there were 20 million illegal aliens in the united states. i think most of that work was being done by young people earning money while still living at home, those same people who typically occupy at or near minimum wage jobs today.

Right:

[Donger]

You said they wont do it, I said they wont do it for $2.00 dollars an hour. Those are two different perspectives. Yes that will raise the price of vegetables.

You know, maybe we can help the health care costs by hiring illegal aliens to provide it.

Will you please stop using the term "illegal aliens"?

[chiefforlife]

Will you please stop using the term "illegal aliens"?

Will you please start using it!

[little jacob]

i didn't say illegals were not here 30 years ago.

i said i can't possibly believe they were as big of a factor in the labor market as they are today. how many stream over the border per year? maybe in the millions. are they dying at that same rate?

[Donger]

Will you please start using it!

No. It's offensive and cruel.

[chiefforlife]

No. It's offensive and cruel.

I think accurate is a better definition. You are too funny.;)

[Mizzou_8541]

Sorry, but unless you are a first generation immigrant, you have no idea what it is like. These non-legally participating migrant guest workers went through tremendous hardships to get here.

What did you do?

So, I take it that you were born here? You did nothing to earn your ivory tower other than being vomited from your mother's vagina.

When I was vomited from my mother's vagina, it was in an ivory tower that the bank called a failing cattle ranch in Northwest Missouri. I grew up dirt poor but with respect for myself and my country that I was born in. I graduated high school with honors, received several scholarships and promptly joined the Marine Corps. I volunteered for the infantry, and later "suffered many hardships" and volunteered again for the snipers. I served two deployments in Iraq where I was wounded twice. After 8 years, I decided to go back to school to earn my degree which I am now able to do in large part because of the G.I. Bill. That's all I did, sir.

[Donger]

When I was vomited from my mother's vagina, it was in an ivory tower that the bank called a failing cattle ranch in Northwest Missouri. I grew up dirt poor but with respect for myself and my country that I was born in. I graduated high school with honors, received several scholarships and promptly joined the Marine Corps. I volunteered for the infantry, and later "suffered many hardships" and volunteered again for the snipers. I served two deployments in Iraq where I was wounded twice. After 8 years, I decided to go back to school to earn my degree which I am now able to do in large part because of the G.I. Bill. That's all I did, sir.

So? If you hadn't done any of those things, you'd still be a US citizen.

[banyon]

I think accurate is a better definition. You are too funny.;)

I saw a bumper sticker the other day that said "Calling illegal immigrants 'undocumented workers' makes about as much sense as calling drug dealers 'unlicensed pharmacists'."

[Mizzou_8541]

So? If you hadn't done any of those things, you'd still be a US citizen.

Isn't that the point? Your claim is that because of their hardships they took to come here, they deserve it.

[Donger]

Isn't that the point? Your claim is that because of their hardships they took to come here, they deserve it.

In a manner of speaking, yes.

My point is that it is very easy and convenient for US citizens (by birth) to criticize non-legally participating migrant guest workers. They didn't do anything to earn their citizenship. It's a birthright.

It could be argued that through their blood, sweat and copious tears, that migrant guest workers deserve even greater status. Something like "super citizen."

[dirk digler]

You don't like the 14th, eh? Figures.

I don't like the fact that illegals come here to just give birth to their kid on the taxpayers dime and then they can stay here because their kid is now an "American".

[banyon]

It could be argued that through their blood, sweat and copious tears, that migrant guest workers deserve even greater status. Something like "super citizen."
ROFL
If they're such super citizens, perhaps they could return home and work to improve their own country so it wouldn't be such a s***hole then.

[Donger]

I don't like the fact that illegals come here to just give birth to their kid on the taxpayers dime and then they can stay here because their kid is now an "American".

You would support repealing the Fourteenth Amendment?

[dirk digler]

you could solve the problem in two steps, start throwing employers in prison for giving illegals jobs, and what you mentioned. no one will walk all the way across a desert for nothing.

on the other hand, if we have guest workers or something like that, there won't be anyone left in mexico. we might as well just annex the place and at least get their resources if we have to pay for their underclass

I didn't realize this until a couple of months ago but their is already a law on the books which is to fine a company $100,000 per illegal alien found working in their company. They just need to enforce the law and start fining them. That will cease and desist hiring illegals because very few companies could afford to pay that fine.

[Donger]

ROFL
If they're such super citizens, perhaps they could return home and work to improve their own country so it wouldn't be such a s***hole then.

They are doing that, in a roundabout kind of way. IIRC, the largest or second largest source of revenue for Mexico is the sweat-stained and hard-earned dollars that the migrant workers send back to their families in Mexico.

[Mizzou_8541]

In a manner of speaking, yes.

My point is that it is very easy and convenient for US citizens (by birth) to criticize non-legally participating migrant guest workers. They didn't do anything to earn their citizenship. It's a birthright.

It could be argued that through their blood, sweat and copious tears, that migrant guest workers deserve even greater status. Something like "super citizen."


Wow. So let me get this straight...

The Citizen Rankings (in order from the least on has contributed to society to the most one could contribute):

The Citizen-One who was born in the U.S., works or attempts to work for a living for the purposes of supporting themselves or their family yet is entitled to nothing. Also applies to all uniformed personnel who protects everyone in all catagories.

See also: bourgeois

The Super Citizen-One who commits an illegal act which therefore entitles them to copious benefits because they had to walk across a porous geographical boundry.

See also: entitled elite

[Donger]

Wow. So let me get this straight...

The Citizen Rankings (in order from the least on has contributed to society to the most one could contribute):

The Citizen-One who was born in the U.S., works or attempts to work for a living for the purposes of supporting themselves or their family yet is entitled to nothing. Also applies to all uniformed personnel who protects everyone in all catagories.

See also: bourgeois

The Super Citizen-One who commits an illegal act which therefore entitles them to copious benefits because they had to walk across a porous geographical boundry.

See also: entitled elite

No, I don't think that the non-legally participating undocumented migrant guest workers deserve any benefits afforded to natural-born citizen.

But, I do think that they deserve some recognition for all that they went through.

[Mizzou_8541]

They are doing that, in a roundabout kind of way. IIRC, the largest or second largest source of revenue for Mexico is the sweat-stained and hard-earned dollars that the migrant workers send back to their families in Mexico.

Erroneous. However, citation please.

[Mizzou_8541]

No, I don't think that the non-legally participating undocumented migrant guest workers deserve any benefits afforded to natural-born citizen.

But, I do think that they deserve some recognition for all that they went through.

As much as I disagree with you...that's funny.

[Donger]

Erroneous. However, citation please.

Remittances, or contributions sent by Mexicans living abroad, mostly in the United States, to their families at home in Mexico, are a substantial and growing part of the Mexican economy; they comprised $18 billion in 2005.[25] In 2004, they became the second largest source of foreign income after crude oil exports, roughly equivalent to foreign direct investment (FDI) and larger than tourism expenditures; and represented 2.5 percent of the nation's Gross Domestic Product.[26] The growth of remittances has been remarkable: they have more than doubled since 1997. Recorded remittance transactions exceeded 41 million in 2003, of which 86 percent were made by electronic transfer.[27]

[alanm]

who gives a shit go back to your own country. I don't want my tax dollars paying for illegals to get free healthcare and cheap schooling when regular Americans can't even get that.
Then your only recourse is to vote Republican. ROFL

[Mizzou_8541]

Remittances, or contributions sent by Mexicans living abroad, mostly in the United States, to their families at home in Mexico, are a substantial and growing part of the Mexican economy; they comprised $18 billion in 2005.[25] In 2004, they became the second largest source of foreign income after crude oil exports, roughly equivalent to foreign direct investment (FDI) and larger than tourism expenditures; and represented 2.5 percent of the nation's Gross Domestic Product.[26] The growth of remittances has been remarkable: they have more than doubled since 1997. Recorded remittance transactions exceeded 41 million in 2003, of which 86 percent were made by electronic transfer.[27]

Like I said, erroneous. What illegals do with our tax dollars doesn't matter. At least in the course of this argument.

[Donger]

Like I said, erroneous. What illegals do with our tax dollars doesn't matter.

Huh?

I wrote: "the largest or second largest source of revenue for Mexico is the sweat-stained and hard-earned dollars that the migrant workers send back to their families in Mexico."

That is correct. I didn't write anything about our tax dollars.

[BIG_DADDY]

Welcome to the way we do things in The People's Republic of California. What a joke. Not only do they get lower tuition they don't have to pay taxes and get free medical too.

[Mizzou_8541]

Huh?

I wrote: "the largest or second largest source of revenue for Mexico is the sweat-stained and hard-earned dollars that the migrant workers send back to their families in Mexico."

That is correct. I didn't write anything about our tax dollars.

Tuition breaks for illegals is the subject of this thread, is it not? Who do you think pays for tuition?

[Donger]

Tuition breaks for illegals is the subject of this thread, is it not? Who do you think pays for tuition?

Yes, it is the subject of this thread.

It is not relevant to what you questioned, which is the fact that the second largest source of foreign revenue for Mexico comes from the money that migrant guest workers send back from here.

It is and they do. Hence, your claim that that assertion is erroneous is incorrect.

[Mizzou_8541]

Yes, it is the subject of this thread.

It is not relevant to what you questioned, which is the fact that the second largest source of foreign revenue for Mexico comes from the money that migrant guest workers send back from here.

It is and they do. Hence, your claim that that assertion is erroneous is incorrect.

The point you made was erroneous. I wasn't questioning your facts, I just wanted to see where it came from. I wanted to see the source.

[Donger]

The point you made was erroneous. I wasn't questioning your facts, I just wanted to see where it came from. I wanted to see the source.

What point? That they are trying to improve Mexico in a roundabout kind of way by sending their money back home?

[Mizzou_8541]

What point? That they are trying to improve Mexico in a roundabout kind of way by sending their money back home?

ROFL Round and round we go. ROFL

[Donger]

ROFL Round and round we go. ROFL

It's a simple question: what point that I made was erroneous?

[Mizzou_8541]

It's a simple question: what point that I made was erroneous?

OH MY GOD! Seriously? It does not matter what illegals do with their money! It doesn't matter if illegals send every penny back to their home or spend it at Wal-Mart. They should not be entitled to law-abiding American's money. WE are the people paying for their tuition. Public university tuition is mostly paid by the state that they are located in, not the students attending. The state has to generate the revenue to pay the university. They do this by taxing its citizens. A citizen is not an illegal. Please read the subject of this thread again.

Someone please tell me to stop arguing with this guy. I would rather brillo pad myself with drano.

[Sully]

OH MY GOD! Seriously? It does not matter what illegals do with their money! It doesn't matter if illegals send every penny back to their home or spend it at Wal-Mart. They should not be entitled to law-abiding American's money. WE are the people paying for their tuition. Public university tuition is mostly paid by the state that they are located in, not the students attending. The state has to generate the revenue to pay the university. They do this by taxing its citizens. A citizen is not an illegal. Please read the subject of this thread again.

Someone please tell me to stop arguing with this guy. I would rather brillo pad myself with drano.

Considering he completely agrees with you, and is simply ****ing with you for sport...yeah... you can probably stop arguing now.

[Mizzou_8541]

Considering he completely agrees with you, and is simply ****ing with you for sport...yeah... you can probably stop arguing now.

Thanks. How can I get the last hour of my life back now?

[Hydrae]

Thanks. How can I get the last hour of my life back now?

You're on the Planet, no refunds allowed! :)

[Donger]

I would rather brillo pad myself with drano.

Maybe you could get a non-legally participating migrant guest worker to do that for you.

[Pestilence]

What point? That they are trying to improve Mexico in a roundabout kind of way by sending their money back home?

I would bet that the money they send back to their families is being used so that their families can pay the people to get them into this country illegaly.

[Donger]

I would bet that the money they send back to their families is being used so that their families can pay the people to get them into this country illegaly.

Probably. The beacon of light that is this country is hard to resist.

[Pestilence]

Probably. The beacon of light that is this country is hard to resist.

You know damn well that everyone wants a chance to pay over $4.00 a gallon for gas. LMAO

[bkkcoh]

You know damn well that everyone wants a chance to pay over $4.00 a gallon for gas. LMAO

yeah but when you divide the tankful up by 10, the number of people in the vehicle, it is quite cheaper.... :banghead:

[Pestilence]

yeah but when you divide the tankful up by 10, the number of people in the vehicle, it is quite cheaper.... :banghead:

:LOL:ROFL

[dirk digler]

You would support repealing the Fourteenth Amendment?

I don't know if repealing that Amendment is necessary.

IIRC when they were going to vote on the immigration bill there was an amendment to that bill up for vote about stopping giving a child born in the US from an illegal automatic citizenship.

[dirk digler]

Then your only recourse is to vote Republican. ROFL

McCain is no better on immigration than Obama. This is one area where I am in total disagreement with both candidates.

[HonestChieffan]

Whats more beautiful than a liberal Obamamaniac from western Kansas complaining about the Spanish speaking people in that area? Before these people came in to do the work in all the slaughter houses, they were up in arms over the Vietnamese people.

Its great. While Kansans applaud the leadership of thier sainted gov who opposed the opportunity for a new state of the art power plant and crapped all over the jobs it would have created, the tax dollars it would have generated, and the good for the entire state...while they stood by and let a bunch of new residents of the flint hills stop a wind farm cause it may hurt a starling or a bunting or two.....they now object to the immigrants who are working in the packing plants and feedlots kids getting a college education.

A liberal saying not in my back yard is a great thing to see.

[banyon]

Whats more beautiful than a liberal Obamamaniac from western Kansas complaining about the Spanish speaking people in that area? Before these people came in to do the work in all the slaughter houses, they were up in arms over the Vietnamese people.

Its great. While Kansans applaud the leadership of thier sainted gov who opposed the opportunity for a new state of the art power plant and crapped all over the jobs it would have created, the tax dollars it would have generated, and the good for the entire state...while they stood by and let a bunch of new residents of the flint hills stop a wind farm cause it may hurt a starling or a bunting or two.....they now object to the immigrants who are working in the packing plants and feedlots kids getting a college education.

A liberal saying not in my back yard is a great thing to see.

I guess you're confused because I'm not liberal. Lou Dobbs isn't liberal either. We are both examples of pro-labor progressives that see immigration as more of a corporatism and wage issue.

As for your Sebelius rant, I don't think I've supported any of the things that you list and believe I've even posted my disagreement on those issues on this forum previously.

[HonestChieffan]

Nor did I mention you in my post

[banyon]

Nor did I mention you in my post

Oh, my bad. Which liberal from Western Kansas complaining about immigrants in this thread were you referring to?

[HonestChieffan]

There are quite a few. One from garden City I know comes to mind as well as a guy I hunt with from Garfield.

[banyon]

There are quite a few. One from garden City I know comes to mind as well as a guy I hunt with from Garfield.

Oh, I didn't realize they had posted in this thread. They must be on universal ignore.

[HonestChieffan]

No. the world, even in Western Kansas, is broader than this thread.

[banyon]

Ok you know what you were doing, but whatever.