Wes Clark on John Kerry... wow

[patteeu]

Talk about flip-flopping as a "sign of opportunistic political expediency", here's what Wes Clark had to say about John Kerry's military experience as it relates to the job of Commander in Chief, four years ago:

John Kerry's combination of physical courage and moral values is my definition of what we need as Americans in our commander in chief.

source (http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives2/2008/07/020887.php)

[bkkcoh]

So JFK was more courageous in his service then John McCain was in his. :hmmm: Sounds like a political whore to me.

[Pittsie]

Wes Clark is an idiot. I had to turn off his interview on NPR yesterday due to my embarrassment for him.

[banyon]

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

CLARK: John Kerry's combination of physical courage and moral values is my definition of what we need as Americans in our commander in chief.

(END VIDEO CLIP)


Wow that sure is a lot of context for that quote. I'm sure there's no way he might have been summarizing his endorsement or complimenting his other moral judgment in policy areas.

[HonestChieffan]

Wes is a has been grasping at his last look at fame.

[patteeu]

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

CLARK: John Kerry's combination of physical courage and moral values is my definition of what we need as Americans in our commander in chief.

(END VIDEO CLIP)


Wow that sure is a lot of context for that quote. I'm sure there's no way he might have been summarizing his endorsement or complimenting his other moral judgment in policy areas.

Here's the context for you. For my money, it doesn't take anything away from the OP quote:

John Kerry has heard the thump of enemy mortars.

He's seen the flash of the tracers. He's lived the values of service and sacrifice. In the Navy, as a prosecutor, as a senator, he proved his physical courage under fire. And he's proved his moral courage too.

John Kerry fought a war, and I respect him for that. And he came home to fight a peace. And I respect him for that, too.

John Kerry's combination of physical courage and moral values is my definition of what we need as Americans in our commander in chief.

Other than the reference John Kerry decision to come home and slander his fellow soldiers as he sold his soul to the peace movement, it sounds like Wes Clark was pretty impressed with a John Kerry who never had the type of executive experience that Clark says John McCain is missing.

transcript (http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/07/29/dems.clark.transcript/index.html)

[cfl]

Its still pretty bad, even in context. The guy is a clown. Still havent heard Obama say Clark is anything to him or his campaign. Im sure Clark will continue to get interviews as some think it reflects poorly on Obama.

[HonestChieffan]

He is part of Obamas campaign and anyone who thinks he isnt is in denial.

[banyon]

Here's the context for you. For my money, it doesn't take anything away from the OP quote:



Other than the reference John Kerry decision to come home and slander his fellow soldiers as he sold his soul to the peace movement, it sounds like Wes Clark was pretty impressed with a John Kerry who never had the type of executive experience that Clark says John McCain is missing.

transcript (http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/07/29/dems.clark.transcript/index.html)

So, you think that Clark would say that McCain didn't display physical or moral courage in Vietnam?

Also, it appears that Senatorial and prosecutorial experience got kind of thrown in there too.

[cfl]

He is part of Obamas campaign and anyone who thinks he isnt is in denial.

Obama has openly rejected Clarks comments about McCain. Please show me where he or Obama has stated that Clark is on his staff or in any way involved with his campaign.
Dont say he has endorsed Obama either, I have endorsed Obama but that doesnt make me a surrogate.

[Programmer]

How many men in the Vietnam war forced his crew back to a location of apparent battle to film the action days after it had happened?

Kerry had 3 purple hearts. Amazing for someone to have three of those awards without missing a single day of duty due to the wounds.

What's more amazing is that he claims to be carrying a piece of shrapnel in his leg. A man with his means would have the shrapnel removed to prevent future medical issues due to infection or movement causing hemorrhaging.

John Kerry heard the thump of mortars. I suppose that John McCain was shot down with a .22 caliber hunting rifle. I'm sure that McCain has never heard the sounds of war. Kerry must be the man!

[Baby Lee]

So, you think that Clark would say that McCain didn't display physical or moral courage in Vietnam?

Also, it appears that Senatorial and prosecutorial experience got kind of thrown in there too.

I guarantdamntee you he'd never say

McCain displayed physical and moral courage in Vietnam, which is my definition of what we need as Americans in our commander in chief.

[Baby Lee]

Obama has openly rejected Clarks comments about McCain. Please show me where he or Obama has stated that Clark is on his staff or in any way involved with his campaign.
Dont say he has endorsed Obama either, I have endorsed Obama but that doesnt make me a surrogate.

I assume you take the same tact in assessing the 'McCain's black baby' embroglio of 2000?

[jAZ]

Talk about flip-flopping as a "sign of opportunistic political expediency", here's what Wes Clark had to say about John Kerry's military experience as it relates to the job of Commander in Chief, four years ago:



source (http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives2/2008/07/020887.php)

Yep, that's a flip-flop alright.

It's not an insult to McCain, but it's surely a flip-flop.

[banyon]

I guarantdamntee you he'd never say

McCain displayed physical and moral courage in Vietnam, which is my definition of what we need as Americans in our commander in chief.

He didn't appear to say it of Kerry in the quote patteeu posted either, at least not without factoring in his other life experiences.

[penchief]

He is part of Obamas campaign and anyone who thinks he isnt is in denial.

Do you have evidence of that? I think he's like any other democrat who wants to do whatever he can to help end our country's nightmare under republican rule. He gets interviews because he's been a talking head ever since his own run for president. Anymore, it seems like the media is 90% talking heads and it's become a full time job.

Clark's background as a commander of troops, presidential candidate, talking head, and democrat are qualities that the press would naturally seek out when asking questions related to military service and presidential politics. Again, if you have proof that he works for the Obama campaign provide it. It wouldn't surprise me if he did but I wouldn't be surprised if he were just free-lancing it, either.

The real story here is the way republicans are crying about this and blowing it out of proportion. It's been way over the top in an effort to make political hay out of nothing. They sound like a bunch of whiny little bitches. And we won't even talk about how hypocritical they're being after what they did to John Kerry. At least nobody's attacking McCain's integrity the way the republican crybaby's did then.

Even listening to how disingenous John McCain sounds when trying to keep this manufactured story alive is just pathetic.

[Baby Lee]

He didn't appear to say it of Kerry in the quote patteeu posted either, at least not without factoring in his other life experiences.

So, it's because McCain was never a prosecuting attorney that's made all the difference in Wes' estimation? Because otherwise, there is no trait referenced anywhere in that statement where you can differentiate McCain or Kerry.

1. seeing and hearing enemy fire

2. As Naval man, prosecutor, and senator - service and sacrifice, physical courage under fire, and moral courage.

3. fighting a war, fighting a peace.

Those are the elements in the calculus wherein Wes found a combination of physical courage and moral values that was his definition of what we need as Americans in our commander in chief. So where is McCain found wanting?

[jAZ]

McCain displayed physical and moral courage in Vietnam, which is my definition of what we need as Americans in our commander in chief.
You must have voted for Kerry then, given his track record vs. Bush's. Right?

[Baby Lee]

Do you have evidence of that?
It's their pattern. ROFL - you really are transparent.

[Baby Lee]

You must have voted for Kerry then, given his track record vs. Bush's. Right?

Herm is gonna be along any moment now to make sure you don't get that all twisted. That quote is what ol Wesley is NOT going to say, not what I AM saying.

[banyon]

So, it's because McCain was never a prosecuting attorney that's made all the difference in Wes' estimation? Because otherwise, there is no trait referenced anywhere in that statement where you can differentiate McCain or Kerry.

1. seeing and hearing enemy fire

2. As Naval man, prosecutor, and senator - service and sacrifice, physical courage under fire, and moral courage.

3. fighting a war, fighting a peace.

Those are the elements in the calculus wherein Wes found a combination of physical courage and moral values that was his definition of what we need as Americans in our commander in chief. So where is McCain found wanting?


I would think the key missing element in your otherwise laudable breakdown would be the policy choices that he made as Senator.

[HonestChieffan]

Obama has openly rejected Clarks comments about McCain. Please show me where he or Obama has stated that Clark is on his staff or in any way involved with his campaign.
Dont say he has endorsed Obama either, I have endorsed Obama but that doesnt make me a surrogate.

As I said, if you dont think Wes is part of a planned effort by Obama you are in denial.

[Baby Lee]

I would think the key missing element in your otherwise laudable breakdown would be the policy choices that he made as Senator.

Maybe because, if it's even in there, it's buried under an avalanche of glittery references to military service.

I mean you haven't truly lived until you've shown the physical courage under fire of a senator making a policy decision. ROFL.

[penchief]

It's their pattern. ROFL - you really are transparent.

Show me the pattern. When I say there's a pattern I pretty much give examples. What is the pattern of behavior that you are talking about and why does it lead you to the conclusion that Clark is working for Obama?

I'm not saying it's a fact that he isn't, unlike some of you who are certain that he is. I'm saying that it's just as likely that he's free-lancing. Probably more likely.

Also, it's clearly you who is transparent. Your response is proof enough of that.

[banyon]

Maybe because, if it's even in there, it's buried under an avalanche of glittery references to military service.

I mean you haven't truly lived until you've shown the physical courage under fire of a senator making a policy decision. ROFL.

Well that's his criticism of McCain currently, so it would seem to fit. But I would imagine there's probably not a person on Earth alive for whom you couldn't find two isolated quotes uttered 4 years apart and attempt to show that they are inconsistent.

[penchief]

As I said, if you dont think Wes is part of a planned effort by Obama you are in denial.

You already said that. You can't just repeat the same thing without adding anything to it. Get with the program. What evidence do you have?

Or I could just go with patteeu's tact and tell you to "prove it."

[Baby Lee]

Well that's his criticism of McCain currently, so it would seem to fit. But I would imagine there's probably not a person on Earth alive for whom you couldn't find two isolated quotes uttered 4 years apart and attempt to show that they are inconsistent.

C'mon bee-yo, you're almost there, almost back from jAZ-egala-land. Say it, it was a reversal of rhetoric based on party loyalty. You know it's true.

[cfl]

I assume you take the same tact in assessing the 'McCain's black baby' embroglio of 2000?

What?

[banyon]

C'mon bee-yo, you're almost there, almost back from jAZ-egala-land. Say it, it was a reversal of rhetoric based on party loyalty. You know it's true.

I would confess that I have not followed Wesley Clark's political fortunes very closely, as I never found him all that politically interesting. But I'd be curious to see his reply to such a question.

[cfl]

As I said, if you dont think Wes is part of a planned effort by Obama you are in denial.

Are you one of those conspiracy theory guys?

[penchief]

C'mon bee-yo, you're almost there, almost back from jAZ-egala-land. Say it, it was a reversal of rhetoric based on party loyalty. You know it's true.

I can say it. But it doesn't bother me that much. That's nothing. Flip-flops don't even bother me that much. What bothers me about this is the way republicans have turned into a bunch of crybaby's by trying to make political hay out of something so minor it's pathetic. The worst part about it is that their political partner, the corporate media, is giving them all the time they need to make their case. Liberal media, my ass.

[Programmer]

I would think the key missing element in your otherwise laudable breakdown would be the policy choices that he made as Senator.

Where as Obama has made no policy choices while in office. Now that's a valid comparison. What has Obama done since he's been in office other than to prep for the presidential race?

[banyon]

Where as Obama has made no policy choices while in office. Now that's a valid comparison. What has Obama done since he's been in office other than to prep for the presidential race?



_________________
As a member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, Obama made official trips to Eastern Europe, the Middle East, and Africa. In August 2005, he traveled to Russia, Ukraine, and Azerbaijan. The trip focused on strategies to control the world's supply of conventional weapons, biological weapons, and weapons of mass destruction as a first defense against potential terrorist attacks.<61>

Following meetings with U.S. military in Kuwait and Iraq in January 2006, Obama visited Jordan, Israel, and the Palestinian territories.

He left for his third official trip in August 2006, traveling to South Africa, Kenya, Djibouti, Ethiopia and Chad. In a nationally televised speech at the University of Nairobi, he spoke forcefully on the influence of ethnic rivalries and corruption in Kenya.

Obama worked with Russ Feingold (D–WI) to eliminate gifts of travel on corporate jets by lobbyists to members of Congress and require disclosure of bundled campaign contributions under the "Honest Leadership and Open Government Act", which was signed into law in September 2007.

He joined Chuck Schumer (D-NY) in sponsoring S. 453, a bill to criminalize deceptive practices in federal elections, including fraudulent flyers and automated phone calls, as witnessed in the 2006 midterm elections.

Obama also introduced the "Iraq War De-Escalation Act", a bill to cap troop levels in Iraq, begin phased redeployment, and remove all combat brigades from Iraq before April 2008.<68>

Later in 2007, Obama sponsored with Kit Bond (R-MO) an amendment to the 2008 Defense Authorization Act adding safeguards for personality disorder military discharges, and calling for a review by the Government Accountability Office following reports that the procedure had been used inappropriately to reduce government costs.

joined Chuck Hagel (R-NE) in introducing legislation to reduce risks of nuclear terrorism.A provision from the Obama-Hagel bill was passed by Congress in December 2007 as an amendment to the State-Foreign Operations appropriations bill.

Obama also sponsored a Senate amendment to the State Children's Health Insurance Program (SCHIP) to provide one year of job protection for family members caring for soldiers with combat-related injuries. After passing both houses of Congress with bipartisan majorities, SCHIP was vetoed by President Bush in early October 2007, a move Obama said "shows a callousness of priorities that is offensive to the ideals we hold as Americans."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama




** First legislation, the HOPE Act, which increased Pell Grants to $5100, and later joined Senator Kennedy on the Higher Education legislation that passed July 20, by a vote of 78-18. That legislation also included funding for Predominantly Black Colleges to assist with counseling, tutoring and other needs of low income students. It also creates the Teaching Residency Act which will create a school-based teacher preparation program in high needs schools to provide each teacher with a mentor, content instruction, classroom management skills, a master’s degree and state certification, and a 2 year follow-up program.


**The Coburn-Obama Government Transparency Act of 2006
is an act that requires the full disclosure of all entities or organizations receiving federal funds beginning in fiscal year (FY) 2007 on a website maintained by the Office of Management and Budget.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Funding_Accountabi...


**The Lugar-Obama Nuclear Non-proliferation and Conventional Weapons Threat Reduction Act
Authored by U.S. Sens. Dick Lugar (R-IN) and Barack Obama (D-IL), the Lugar-Obama initiative expands U.S. cooperation to destroy conventional weapons. It also expands the State Department's ability to detect and interdict weapons and materials of mass destruction.
Signed into Law on January 11, 2007.
http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/chrisblas...


**The 2007 Government Ethics Bill
http://www.rollcall.com/issues/53_17/news/19664-1.html?...
http://www.commonblog.com/story/2007/9/14/164837/331

** The “Democratic Republic of the Congo Relief, Security, and Democracy Promotion Act.
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=s109-2125

** S116 - Summer Learning demonstration project to provide summer learning grants and encourage new teaching methods.
http://www.pasesetter.org/demonstrationPrograms/nasd.ht...

and this one, moved out of committee just a few days ago:
Obama's Global Poverty Act of 2007, passed out of committee just a few days ago
WASHINGTON, D.C. - U.S. Senators Barack Obama (D-IL), Chuck Hagel (R-NE), and Maria Cantwell (D-WA) and Congressman Adam Smith (D-WA) today hailed the Senate Foreign Relations Committee's passage of the Global Poverty Act (S.2433), which requires the President to develop and implement a comprehensive policy to cut extreme global poverty in half by 2015 through aid, trade, debt relief, and coordination with the international community, businesses and NGOs. This legislation was introduced in December. Smith and Congressman Spencer Bachus (R-AL) sponsored the House version of the bill (H.R. 1302), which passed the House last September.
http://obama.senate.gov /



Amendments, that have all passed:

S.Amdt.159 to S.Con.Res.18 - To prevent and, if necessary, respond to an international outbreak of the avian flu.

S.Amdt.390 to H.R.1268 - To provide meal and telephone benefits for members of the Armed Forces who are recuperating from injuries incurred on active duty in Operation Iraqi Freedom or Operation Enduring Freedom.

S.Amdt.670 to H.R.3 - To provide for Flexible Fuel Vehicle (FFV) refueling capability at new and existing refueling station facilities to promote energy security and reduction of greenhouse gas emissions.

S.Amdt.808 to H.R.6 - To establish a program to develop Fischer-Tropsch transportation fuels from Illinois basin coal.

S.Amdt.851 to H.R.6 - To require the Secretary to establish a Joint Flexible Fuel/Hybrid Vehicle Commercialization Initiative, and for other purposes.

S.Amdt.1362 to S.1042 - To require a report on the Department of Defense Composite Health Care System II.

S.Amdt.1453 to S.1402 - To ensure the protection of military and civilian personnel in the Department of Defense from an influenza pandemic, including an avian influenza pandemic.

S.Amdt.2301 to H.R.3010 - To increase funds to the Thurgood Marshall Legal Educational Opportunity Program and to the Office of Special Education Programs of the Department of Education for the purposes of expanding positive behavioral interventions and supports.

S.Amdt.2605 to S.2020 - Expressing the sense of the Senate that the Federal Emergency Management Agency should immediately address issues relating to no-bid contracting.

S.Amdt.2930 to S.2349 - To clarify that availability of legislation does not include nonbusiness days.
S.Amdt.3144 to S.Con.Res.83 - To provide a $40 million increase in FY 2007 for the Homeless Veterans Reintegration Program and to improve job services for hard-to-place veterans

S. Amdt 41 to S. 1 To require lobbyists to disclose the candidates, leadership PACs, or political parties for whom they collect or arrange contributions, and the aggregate amount of the contributions collected or arranged.

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Barack has Written a total of 890 Bills and Co-sponsored Another 1096 since he started serving in the U.S. Senate

[Programmer]

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cut and paste, cut and paste cut and paste

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Barack has Written a total of 890 Bills and Co-sponsored Another 1096 since he started serving in the U.S. Senate

:BS: on the bills written and co-sponsored. He hasn't been in office long enough to get close to that. Even if he had a portion of that number how many of them could have been made into law? 1%

[HonestChieffan]

He was actually on the floor for something less than 150 days. You canget youn name on a bill and never set foot in Washington. The only si=ubcommittee he chairs never met.

Phony

[banyon]

:BS: on the bills written and co-sponsored. He hasn't been in office long enough to get close to that. Even if he had a portion of that number how many of them could have been made into law? 1%

Wait, before you were saying he had made "no" policy choices. Now you're saying he made too many?

And it's true that I cut and pasted that list, what did you expect me to do, paraphrase every one from memory? Regardless, you apparently don't dispute that he actually did the items on the list, since you offer no criticism other than your slack jawed astonishment.

[banyon]

He was actually on the floor for something less than 150 days. You canget youn name on a bill and never set foot in Washington. The only si=ubcommittee he chairs never met.

Phony

Wow, that made you so angry you couldn't wait to reply and couldn't even type straight it appears.

But he must've been productive, since the listed items passed.

[Programmer]

Wait, before you were saying he had made "no" policy choices. Now you're saying he made too many?

And it's true that I cut and pasted that list, what did you expect me to do, paraphrase every one from memory? Regardless, you apparently don't dispute that he actually did the items on the list, since you offer no criticism other than your slack jawed astonishment.

Isn't that exactly what you expect of others?

Prove that he had over 800 bills submitted and co-sponsored over 1100.

You may be having an amorous feeling about all of his bills, but if there were any that he wrote I'd be very surprised.

You are still being the child here. You need to get back to 7-11 before your boss fires you again.

[banyon]

Isn't that exactly what you expect of others?

Prove that he had over 800 bills submitted and co-sponsored over 110


You may be having an amorous feeling about all of his bills, but if there were any that he wrote I'd be very surprised.

You are still being the child here. You need to get back to 7-11 before your boss fires you again.

So you continue to demand to move the goalposts. First he made "no" policy choices, now you nitpick the actual number. Just make up your mind, so i can proceed accordingly.

[Programmer]

So you continue to demand to move the goalposts. First he made "no" policy choices, now you nitpick the actual number. Just make up your mind, so i can proceed accordingly.

Of the bills I found credited to Obama the link to the bill is non-existant or clearly stated that they were written by others with no mention of Obama.

Great sleuth work there. I bet the manager of 7-11 is real proud of you. did you find that mouse in the store?

[banyon]

Of the bills I found credited to Obama the link to the bill is non-existant or clearly stated that they were written by others with no mention of Obama.

Great sleuth work there. I bet the manager of 7-11 is real proud of you. did you find that mouse in the store?

So you won't pick which argument you want to make? Great, then I won't offer any reply.

And I've made no secret (unlike your comic attempts to deny your real identity) of who I am or what I do, so this pretending I have some lowly job so you feel better about your post-military retirement menial work is really just sad.

How many threads are you going to ruin today with your petty bic lighter flame wars?

[patteeu]

So, you think that Clark would say that McCain didn't display physical or moral courage in Vietnam?

Also, it appears that Senatorial and prosecutorial experience got kind of thrown in there too.

No, I think that he would and has said that those attributes aren't the kind of attributes that make for a good CiC in contrast to his pro-Kerry pimping.

[Programmer]

So you won't pick which argument you want to make? Great, then I won't offer any reply.

And I've made no secret (unlike your comic attempts to deny your real identity) of who I am or what I do, so this pretending I have some lowly job so you feel better about your post-military retirement menial work is really just sad.

How many threads are you going to ruin today with your petty bic lighter flame wars?

You seem more intent on the flame wars.

On your bills of Obama I opened 37 of them and not a one of them are listed anywhere but in the list. None of the reference links worked. So much for your claim. Keep pimping your senator.

What is your name? You have proudly not put it on the board. You once wanted to place a bet but when it came down to the bet you didn't want anyone to know who you were or where you lived. Remember that?

Oh, you don't want to offer replies? That means that you don't have any valid response.

Keep it up. Remember you cannot be manager of 7-11 until you are 21.

[banyon]

You seem more intent on the flame wars.

On your bills of Obama I opened 37 of them and not a one of them are listed anywhere but in the list. None of the reference links worked. So much for your claim. Keep pimping your senator.

Anyone else have any problems with the links? I checked them again and they seem to be working fine. :hmmm: I wonder if you even actually clicked on them... oh, no I don't have to wonder, because you probably didn't.

What is your name? You have proudly not put it on the board. You once wanted to place a bet but when it came down to the bet you didn't want anyone to know who you were or where you lived. Remember that?

No, I don't remember that, please refresh my memory.

Oh, you don't want to offer replies? That means that you don't have any valid response.

No, it's pretty difficult to form a reply when you can't pick which position you want to hold.

[banyon]

Oh boy, here come the inane PM's.



Afraid to put your name up for all to see?

You aren't afraid to put mine up. [ROFL]

You are right about one thing, I am not your friend and I have zero respect for you or your so called credibility on this website.

You are a loser and have no weapons but words and name calling.

I may be an asshole, but at least I'm honest about it. You lie, cheat and steal from everyone you meet.

And no, I've met other people on this site in real life, but I'm not posting my real name to you, a potentially deranged person who displayed a penchant for this behavior when you threatened Taco in the past.

[Adept Havelock]

Oh boy, here come the inane PM's.

:LOL:

And another Tom Ca$h meltdown blooms.

[jAZ]

Herm is gonna be along any moment now to make sure you don't get that all twisted. That quote is what ol Wesley is NOT going to say, not what I AM saying.

got it.

[banyon]

:LOL:

And another Tom Ca$h meltdown blooms.

I apologize to the general DC public for littering it with this tripe, but I am trying to accelerate the banning.

[irishjayhawk]

Does he spoof ips or something? Can't we just ban his IP?

[Adept Havelock]

I apologize to the general DC public for littering it with this tripe, but I am trying to accelerate the banning.

I figured as much. Good of you to TOFTT, I suppose.

Does he spoof ips or something? Can't we just ban his IP?

My hunch is Tom hasn't done anything to warrant having his "Programmer" 'nym banned just yet, but judging from the PM banyon quoted and the thread in the main forum the other day, it's almost inevitable.

I remember one admin mentioning they are unable to ban him because there are some people who actually contribute to the forum who use the same ISP. IIRC, the way the ISP is set up they can't ban him without cutting off the others.

[banyon]

Does he spoof ips or something? Can't we just ban his IP?

I'm not sure. I mean, if there were a way, surely we would have done it by now, though.

[patteeu]

You already said that. You can't just repeat the same thing without adding anything to it. Get with the program. What evidence do you have?

Or I could just go with patteeu's tact and tell you to "prove it."

That's not my "tact", it's Nightwish's.

[Mr. Kotter]

Wes Clark? :spock:

:whackit:

[Nightwish]

Other than the reference John Kerry decision to come home and slander his fellow soldiers as he sold his soul to the peace movement
Slander? Last time I checked, one has to first make an accusation oneself, and then have that accusation proven false, to be guilty of slander. As to the former, you may recall that Kerry read off the testimonies of several other soldiers who claimed to have been witnesses to inhuman acts in Vietnam. As such, if those accusations were proven false, then the slanderers would be those who wrote the testimony, not those who read it aloud and gave credit where it was due. As to the former, last I checked, many of those accusations were never proven false (nor were they proven true).

[Nightwish]

That's not my "tact", it's Nightwish's.
Actually, we both did it. The difference was, I asked you to prove a positive, and you asked me to prove a negative.

[CRONUS]

John Kerry's combination of physical courage and moral values is my definition of what we need as Americans in our commander in chief.

That is a quote providing characteristics that are good for a CinC, the other quote was a fact about being shot down does not make you qualified, it in fact said nothing about McCains qualifications or lack therof.

[patteeu]

Actually, we both did it. The difference was, I asked you to prove a positive, and you asked me to prove a negative.

No, it was yours. I just copied it, as did penchief (although he mistakenly thought he was copying me). And I asked you to prove that the al Qaeda goal you mischaracterized as an opinion of someone other than al Qaeda was "based on a fundamental misunderstanding of the goals of Sunni Islam, and upon the expressed goal of one particular Islamist organization - Al Muhajiroun - which is neither affiliated with Al Qaeda, nor believe to be active in Iraq." That seems like a positive to me.

[go bowe]

:LOL:

And another Tom Ca$h meltdown blooms.omg, i thought i smelled something that's really too ripe for consumption...

tom cash rides again...

he's a regular pinball wizard...

[penchief]

That's not my "tact", it's Nightwish's.

You mean I was trying to be ironic with you when you were actually being ironic with Nightwish? Please accept my apology.

[patteeu]

You mean I was trying to be ironic with you when you were actually being ironic with Nightwish? Please accept my apology.

No problem.

[Programmer]

Oh boy, here come the inane PM's.





And no, I've met other people on this site in real life, but I'm not posting my real name to you, a potentially deranged person who displayed a penchant for this behavior when you threatened Taco in the past.

That is completely untrue. You might ask taco about that. He did make that accusation but withdrew it as he found it to be false.

I have never threatened anyone on this or any other board with physical violence.

[Programmer]

:LOL:

And another Tom Ca$h meltdown blooms.

Not quite, if this is what you live for you need to get a life outside the internet.

[Programmer]

I apologize to the general DC public for littering it with this tripe, but I am trying to accelerate the banning.

Speak of banning. What have I done that is a bannable offense?

[Programmer]

Does he spoof ips or something? Can't we just ban his IP?

Why do you care?

[Sully]

Does he spoof ips or something? Can't we just ban his IP?

God, no.
There is nothing more entertaining than T0m Cash's hijinks.
Recxjake can pull off dumb, but not with nearly the "stop-at-a-train-wreck-and-wonder-how-it-got-in-that-position" type of panache.

He is a goldmine of comedy, and my life would be duller if I didn't have his stuff to look forward to.

[Programmer]

God, no.
There is nothing more entertaining than T0m Cash's hijinks.
Recxjake can pull off dumb, but not with nearly the "stop-at-a-train-wreck-and-wonder-how-it-got-in-that-position" type of panache.

He is a goldmine of comedy, and my life would be duller if I didn't have his stuff to look forward to.

Dude, you need to get a life. If you live for this you are certifiably deranged.

[Sully]

Dude, you need to get a life. If you live for this you are certifiably deranged.

I've got one of the greatest lives I an imagine.
But when I'm online... I absolutely look forward to your posts. It's a guilty pleasure.

[Programmer]

I've got one of the greatest lives I an imagine.
But when I'm online... I absolutely look forward to your posts. It's a guilty pleasure.

You know, I really feel sorry for you.

Even on the internet there is a better life.

You should explore more.

[Sully]

You know, I really feel sorry for you.

Even on the internet there is a better life.

You should explore more.

No need to feel sorry.Like I said, I can't imagine a better life for myself. I'm living the dream.

As far as on the internet, I can entertain myself pretty well on other sites, in other threads, etc. I'm just saying that the entertainment you provide is something I greatly look forward to, and it would be duller without you around.

[Programmer]

No need to feel sorry.Like I said, I can't imagine a better life for myself. I'm living the dream.

As far as on the internet, I can entertain myself pretty well on other sites, in other threads, etc. I'm just saying that the entertainment you provide is something I greatly look forward to, and it would be duller without you around.

That's what I mean, if you are looking for entertainment from me you are needing to find a life.

I seriously doubt you are living the dream, you are here 75% of every day. That should tell you that your ass is getting calloused from sitting infront of the computer.

Seriously, get away from the computer and spend time with your family.

[Sully]

That's what I mean, if you are looking for entertainment from me you are needing to find a life.

I seriously doubt you are living the dream, you are here 75% of every day. That should tell you that your ass is getting calloused from sitting infront of the computer.

Seriously, get away from the computer and spend time with your family.

ROFL
So when you are replying to my every post, are you not spending an equal time on here?

[Programmer]

ROFL
So when you are replying to my every post, are you not spending an equal time on here?

I seriously doubt it. 6803 posts to 403. No, I'm not here as many hours as you are.

[irishjayhawk]

Still waiting.

[Programmer]

Still waiting.

If I were you I'd give up. You wouldn't understand what you got if you got what you want!

Go get drunk or something. At your age you are probably still into drugs so go get high.

[irishjayhawk]

Still waiting. All I require is a list of experiences/qualities you want in a president. That's all.

[Sully]

I seriously doubt it. 6803 posts to 403. No, I'm not here as many hours as you are.

ROFL
Yeah... 403 posts...
Funny.

[Adept Havelock]

ROFL
Yeah... 403 posts...
Funny.

Heh. Add in Chiefs Express, Believer, and a host of other banned nicks, and I have a hunch there's more than 6000 posts between them. LMAO

[bunnytrdr]

Wes Clark is an idiot. I had to turn off his interview on NPR yesterday due to my embarrassment for him.With the droopey ass eyes he has, he could be the assclown for any convention.

[CRONUS]

Does he spoof ips or something? Can't we just ban his IP?I seem to recall the reason we did not ban IPs back when I was a moderator was the potential unintended victim syndrome.