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Jenson71
07-05-2008, 01:16 PM
Who's gonna get it?

My brother likes the Madden games, and I've been checking this out and it looks really good, so I think we're going to get the package.

dj56dt58
07-05-2008, 01:27 PM
how is it online?

KCChiefsMan
07-05-2008, 01:37 PM
is it boring? I've played one of those games

Adept Havelock
07-05-2008, 01:39 PM
I might rent it, but I suspect it will only make long for the days of Front Page Sports Football.

Huffman83
07-05-2008, 10:11 PM
Honestly I didn't like the first one on PS2. And I like the GM mode on Madden. There's just too much bullshit and it took forever to load from screen to screen. The game is boring and slow.

And I would basically flip out on all of the players in the game because they didn't execute worth a shit....So I was always very "aggressive." w/ how I coached the players.

Basileus777
07-06-2008, 01:39 AM
The first one was awful. Unless I hear that its a dramatic improvement I won't buy it.

ZootedGranny
07-06-2008, 01:41 AM
EA should've been charged for crimes against humanity for the first one, so I can't say I'm looking forward to the sequel.

chiefs1111
07-06-2008, 02:05 AM
I might rent it, but I suspect it will only make long for the days of Front Page Sports Football.


I used to love that game

chiefs1111
07-06-2008, 02:08 AM
also,I wasn't even aware that they were coming out with head coach 09,you think they would of learned that one was enough,but then again,we are talking about EA here....

Sully
07-06-2008, 08:24 AM
I went yesterday to reserve NCAA and Madden. The guy asked if I wanted to Madden pack w/ HC09. I asked about it, because I'd never played the old one. He said, "Honestly, I hated the old one, but I'm buying this one so I can create my own plays and stuff," as if that was a decent selling point to spend $30 more.

Jenson71
08-12-2008, 06:33 PM
Okay, I started playing this today.

I began with the Chiefs, and created my own coach with the personality of "Commander"

There are free agent rookies that enter your camp with extremely high overall ratings. One guy was named D. Longbottom. He was a DT with a 90 rating. I figured maybe it was Glenn Dorsey or something? No. Dorsey and all the rookies sign throughout training camp/preseason.

So who is he? I still don't know.

I started out with a 40 overall approval rating. I completed some goals throughout camp such as have Donnie Edwards play at least 50 snaps in preseason. Achieving goals increases your approval rating.

The gameplans are difficult in that throughout preseason, Adam Sheffter kept saying I was definitely not as ready as my opponent in the next game. How could I get more ready? I do not know.

Playing a game is fun. There's enough to do other than calling plays to keep you from getting bored.

Croyle is rated 72 and Huard is 78. I don't like playing with either of them. I might not start out as the Chiefs again.

Mecca
08-12-2008, 06:45 PM
This head coach is supposedly a million times better than the last incarnation from everything I've read.

Ebolapox
08-12-2008, 07:01 PM
I had over 100 hours into the last nfl head coach--there were a lot of things that I disliked, but a lot of things that I enjoyed. I'll prolly pick this one up when I upgrade from ps2 to ps3.

Mecca
08-12-2008, 07:02 PM
Here's a review...

I'm one of the most hardcore franchise guys, and I love any simulation game. The first Head Coach had the right idea, but it was executed horribly. The new Head Coach is nothing like it, so get those thoughts out of your head. In this thread, I'll try to tell you guys why you should buy the Collector's Edition of Madden, or buy only the standalone game if you solely buy Madden for franchise.

When it comes to Free Agency, Madden has a horrible way of doing things. Up the money and you get anybody you want, but it never really comes back to bite you. In Head Coach, there is sort of an auction system on players. A pop up screen will come up, and there will be a variety of teams bidding on the player. There is 60 seconds on the clock, and teams keep raising the bid. When the price gets too high for a certain team, they will drop out, which you can visually see. The last team that remains in the bidding gets to negotiate a contract with the Free Agent, which is relatively easy. You choose from already given packages, all with given amounts of incentives and years and salaries, etc. That's how free agents are signed. Also, something that ties in with this is salary cap. Everybody that plays Madden knows the salary cap is atrocious. To keep it simple, the salary in this game is realistic. You sign 10 guys in free agency, and you can say hello to salary cap hell.

Another thing in Madden that needs a ton of work is trading. This is something that the Head Coach team took a lot of time to work on. Trades with player for player in the NFL are very rare, and they will be in this game also. You can put as many players as you want on the trading block, and the computer won't ask for any player not on the block. They'll offer you a variety of packages and you can see which one you want. That also goes for trading in the draft and picking a player that you want to trade for. The cpu will give you all the options, you can pick what you want to give up.

Another thing that is small in Madden, but needed work is the rookie contract negotiations. Select the rookie, and the contract is just there. That's the best contract pretty much. But in Head Coach, rookie contracts are hard to negotiate. You once again have packages, with different incentives, etc. These talks are much harder than free agency, and you will want to get them done to get your rookie into camp. You can cave in to their demands, or the contract negotiations can go on for the whole season. But more on getting guys into camp later...

The scouting in Madden is horrible also. It barely works lol. In Head Coach, there is a Senior Bowl, and your staff determines the amount of players/info you can scout. There are individual workouts and a combine, and each player gets graded. It's a pretty robust system which is hard to explain, so you'll have to experience it yourself. Trust me when I say though, that it's better than Madden's scouting.

The draft itself is a biggy. In Madden, it's bland and the overalls are bad and teams have bad AI. In Head Coach, teams draft for actual needs and trade up/down when necessary. There are busts and gems, so scouting is important. There are 21,000 pre-created rookies and they have their own stories and ratings, etc. Schefter will give you news about the draft and the college football season as you go through your season, and he will also give analysis of some of the picks made. There are mock drafts and everything else, everything you've wanted your Madden draft to be.

One of the great things about Head Coach is the rating system. It's not broken in Madden, but a lot of things don't matter and the progression is horrible. In Head Coach, players all have hard-coded potential for everything, which can turn people off. The thing is, players will only reach that potential with the right coaching, production, and systems. Ratings are dynamic and change depending on all of those things, so Ronde Barber might be bad in a man scheme, but he'll be great in the Tampa 2. Things like that matter for both you and the cpu on who you draft, sign, and trade for.

A nice thing that matters in Head Coach is playbooks. The playbooks are a big part to any coach's job, so they are in the game too. You can create your playbook (up to 200 O and 200 D plays) with your own custom plays and plays from other coach's books. You can also create plays on the fly in games. You can hire other team's coaches and coaches from the college ranks will come into the NFL and if you sign them, you can take plays from their playbook and add it to your own. The option, the wishbone, etc. Another realistic but often unnoticed thing is that players have to learn the playbooks. Each player has a learning rating that determines how quickly they can learn the plays. This is why you get guys into camp, if they don't know the plays they won't execute. Each player can have any play unlearned, learned, or mastered. You learn plays by using them in-game and also in training camp/practice.

Restricted Free Agents are realistic also, thought I'd throw that in there.

In game, you can call the plays, but not control the players. It seems as though the CPU plays smarter than in Madden, and the results are more realistic. Overthrows, underthrows, big plays, negative gains, everything else. The graphics aren't as good as Madden's but the way it plays outweighs the not-amazing graphics.

In practice. you can scheme to stop players or practice certain things. Depending on the level of your coaches, you get a certain amount of gamebreaking type plays come game day. Maybe I get 4 with Mike Martz or something. If I practiced the blitz, then I can call that blitz 4 times on game day and my team gets a huge stat boost for that play. This doesn't mean automatic success, but your chances improve.

The main downers of the game are that the graphics are weak, which doesn't really matter because coaching the game is a small part of the game. You can't control the players which ticks some people, but a lot of people like scheming and the x's and o's so controlling the players isn't a problem.

Any more questions about the game, ask and I'll do my best to answer them. I don't have the game, but I've read virtually everything put out on the game, listened to the podcasts, read all the Logic, gameplay, and lead producer Q&A's, and read all of the consumer impressions.

Mr. Arrowhead
08-12-2008, 07:50 PM
anybody know if you can export NCAA 09 draft class into head coach

JBucc
08-12-2008, 07:52 PM
anybody know if you can export NCAA 09 draft class into head coach
No. They made like 21000 rookies or something like that and gave them all back stories and ratings and things.

foxman
08-13-2008, 08:29 AM
Any more questions about the game, ask and I'll do my best to answer them. I don't have the game, but I've read virtually everything put out on the game, listened to the podcasts, read all the Logic, gameplay, and lead producer Q&A's, and read all of the consumer impressions.


Great review. Thanks for taking the time. I have never played head coach but have some interest in what you outlined. One concern I have is the time part. I have limited time, so is it something that you can set for a variety of skill levels and also game lengths. I assume you would be literally sitting there watching a computer simulated game which could be a bit boring, so can you control the length of the game like you can in Madden and how long are the sims?

Mr. Arrowhead
08-13-2008, 02:35 PM
wow i just got done messing around with this for a while. Its pretty cool, very very very in depth. You even have to select the inactive players before game time. If you have the patience to play this game it can really fun

Pestilence
08-13-2008, 05:25 PM
wow i just got done messing around with this for a while. Its pretty cool, very very very in depth. You even have to select the inactive players before game time. If you have the patience to play this game it can really fun

How long does each game take to get through? Can you just instant sim it one day and then the next go through and watch the entire game?

OnTheWarpath58
08-13-2008, 05:30 PM
Anyone know if this is going to be available on PC, or just consoles?

Jenson71
08-13-2008, 10:45 PM
I assume you would be literally sitting there watching a computer simulated game which could be a bit boring, so can you control the length of the game like you can in Madden and how long are the sims?

Yes, you can change the length of the quarters. I'd say a full 15 minute quarter game takes 45-60 minutes.

You can also SuperSim which means you still control the plays, but don't see any action. It's like the old old football computer game.

Or you can just sim the game.

Jenson71
08-13-2008, 10:45 PM
How long does each game take to get through? Can you just instant sim it one day and then the next go through and watch the entire game?

No, you can't go back and watch a game.

Mr. Arrowhead
08-15-2008, 08:35 AM
yeah! i got the chiefs off to a 4-1 start

Ultra Peanut
08-15-2008, 08:56 AM
Playing games in Madden always feels like a chore that gets in the way of scouting and the offseason, so I hope this delivers.

I wish you could import draft classes, no matter how cool the pre-made players sound.

Fried Meat Ball!
08-15-2008, 10:00 AM
Okay, I started playing this today.

I began with the Chiefs, and created my own coach with the personality of "Commander"

There are free agent rookies that enter your camp with extremely high overall ratings. One guy was named D. Longbottom. He was a DT with a 90 rating. I figured maybe it was Glenn Dorsey or something? No. Dorsey and all the rookies sign throughout training camp/preseason.

So who is he? I still don't know.

I started out with a 40 overall approval rating. I completed some goals throughout camp such as have Donnie Edwards play at least 50 snaps in preseason. Achieving goals increases your approval rating.

The gameplans are difficult in that throughout preseason, Adam Sheffter kept saying I was definitely not as ready as my opponent in the next game. How could I get more ready? I do not know.

Playing a game is fun. There's enough to do other than calling plays to keep you from getting bored.

Croyle is rated 72 and Huard is 78. I don't like playing with either of them. I might not start out as the Chiefs again.

I got the same thing. I just finished my second season, gearing up for preseason of my third. Approval is 89, last season went to the conference championship with a 15-1 record. Lost to Indy after beating SD. :banghead:

The way you prepare better in the season is to not focus on specific plays. Focus on improving run blocking, or pass defense or those other phases of the game. I typically work my defense for everything in gameplan and it's working for me.

Helps that I kicked total ass in both drafts. Traded up (one of my goals) in the first offseason and snagged two first rounders. Of course, I gave up my first from 2010, but it worked out. In my second offseason, I scouted the hell out of medium/small-sized schools and cleaned up. Grabbed a 4th-round TE (TG's getting old) that ended up being a late-round gem - came in after training camp with a 87 OVR and a 94 potential. Grabbed a CB in the fourth that ended camp at 85 OVR and 96 potential.

After my second season, my LT (Albert), LG (rookie) and C (trade, can't remember who) were all in the probowl, with LT/LG starters.

Pestilence
08-15-2008, 10:04 AM
This game is so indepth.....it's scary. I can't wait to go back home tonight and play it again. I'm so glad I bought the CE of Madden so I could get this game.

Jenson71
08-15-2008, 10:19 AM
Overall, this game is very fun. I enjoy playing it immensely.

Now here are some problems:

- When doing an onside return, players are supposed to fall on the ball. In this game, my players try to run it back for a touchdown.

- The Approval rating is a little off. Everyone gets mad at me for going for a field goal when it's 4th and Goal from the 2 or something. And we're ahead 10-0 already in the 1st quarter.

Jenson71
08-15-2008, 04:12 PM
Here's something that just happened to me, and demonstrates that the approval rating system for the in-game scenarios is messed up:

My approval rating started at 89. I'm in the WildCard playoff game.

I'm winning 14-10. There's 3:50 left in the 3rd quarter.

It's 4th and goal for me at the 8 yard line.

I'm given a choice: kick the field goal and lose a ton of my approval rating from coaches, players, media, fans, or go for it and make everyone happy.

I chose to kick the field goal, and my approval rating goes down to 82.

Pestilence
08-15-2008, 04:37 PM
How come during the offseason when another team offers you a trade.....you can't put players in the package? Plus I love the trade down and trade up offers from teams during the draft. They give you 2 minutes to look over 40 different offers. lol

Jenson71
08-16-2008, 12:17 PM
How come during the offseason when another team offers you a trade.....you can't put players in the package? Plus I love the trade down and trade up offers from teams during the draft. They give you 2 minutes to look over 40 different offers. lol

I'm not a huge fan of how limited the trading options are.

Fruit Ninja
08-16-2008, 12:39 PM
Game Informer killed this game with a 6.5 rating. Is it really that bad? i just got the regular game.

Jenson71
08-16-2008, 12:50 PM
Game Informer killed this game with a 6.5 rating. Is it really that bad? i just got the regular game.

That review is harsh, but it has some criticisms I would agree with. Despite its shortcomings though, I'm enjoying it.

Fried Meat Ball!
08-20-2008, 12:38 PM
OK... so drafting. Late-round steals - look to the "most underrated" player at each position in the draft preview. You get one look before the season starts, and again before free agency. It's the same names in both, but I write them down... make sure to scout them and draft them if available.

Last draft, after trading LJ and DJ, I wound up with 1 first, 2nds, and 3 each of 3rd-5th round. I picked up six of the most underrated players in those later rounds and ended up with some real gems. All of them had 85+ POT and I ended up with a DT with 91 POT and a FS with 9 POT.

OnTheWarpath58
08-20-2008, 04:32 PM
Anyone know if this is going to be available on PC, or just consoles?

Thank you to everyone who took the time to answer this question...

irishjayhawk
08-20-2008, 04:48 PM
So I should buy it ASAP?

Rain Man
08-20-2008, 05:38 PM
I'm interested in this game, but I too only have a PC since I'm not 12 years old. I want it on a computer version.

Jenson71
08-20-2008, 10:51 PM
Thank you to everyone who took the time to answer this question...

Sorry don't know of anything like that. Check gamespot.com or easports.com

unothadeal
11-27-2008, 02:26 PM
Heh. Since Belichik doesn't allow his likeness or whatever to be in video games, anybody see what name they used to replace him?

Hal Ophamer

Mecca
11-27-2008, 02:27 PM
Heh. Since Belichik doesn't allow his likeness or whatever to be in video games, anybody see what name they used to replace him?

Hal Ophamer

He has a big porn stache too I believe...

Check out Shanahan's likeness he looks like a child molester.

'Hamas' Jenkins
11-27-2008, 02:29 PM
Belichick really enjoys being a cocksucker.

unothadeal
11-27-2008, 06:56 PM
What's the best way to gain player knowledge? I've honestly done offensive plays every single gameplan during the pre-season and Tony Gonzalez and Larry Johnson still aren't getting up to 42%.

RustShack
12-15-2008, 09:10 PM
I just got this game at wal-mart for $10 in the $20 game bin... I was jacked to buy it for $20 and even more jacked when it was only $10.

KCrockaholic
12-16-2008, 02:19 PM
I just got this game at wal-mart for $10 in the $20 game bin... I was jacked to buy it for $20 and even more jacked when it was only $10.

nice steal, i may have to see how much it is at my wal-mart.

So how long does one game take to complete? ive heard it takes nearly 3 hours if you play the whole thing...

Ebolapox
12-16-2008, 02:27 PM
nice steal, i may have to see how much it is at my wal-mart.

So how long does one game take to complete? ive heard it takes nearly 3 hours if you play the whole thing...

supersim works great--if you don't WANT to supersim, put the quarters at around four-five minutes, which takes me around 30-45 minutes to play (depending on if I'm multitasking or taking my time)

KCrockaholic
12-16-2008, 02:39 PM
supersim works great--if you don't WANT to supersim, put the quarters at around four-five minutes, which takes me around 30-45 minutes to play (depending on if I'm multitasking or taking my time)

Cool, thanks for the info. Im gonna pick up this game in a week or so.

unothadeal
12-16-2008, 04:35 PM
I've never wanted to play Head Coach as much as I do this week.

Pestilence
12-18-2008, 09:36 AM
So I started playing it last night again.

Why the hell would any team in their right mind trade a 2009 2nd round pick for Adrian Jones? Well....the Seahawks did.

I got pissed after 45 minutes though because I was simming until the draft and my PS3 locked up.

So a question for everyone. Well actually two.

1. When you start a new career...do you create your own coach or do you go with an existing one?

2. Do you start off in the offseason or do you start in preseason?

healthpellets
12-19-2008, 05:09 PM
here's my question, and i suppose it's directed at anyone playing on "last gen"...is the game for PS2 still as cool as the one for next gen? all the same in depth stuff or just a retred from last year? thanks.

Ebolapox
12-19-2008, 05:10 PM
here's my question, and i suppose it's directed at anyone playing on "last gen"...is the game for PS2 still as cool as the one for next gen? all the same in depth stuff or just a retred from last year? thanks.

the ps2 version was a pain in the ass. a LOT of lag time, the game engine didn't work as well (not that this one is perfect)--I had it and put over 100 hours into it (mostly simmed games, etc), but it was a pain in the ass.

Ebolapox
12-19-2008, 05:12 PM
So I started playing it last night again.

Why the hell would any team in their right mind trade a 2009 2nd round pick for Adrian Jones? Well....the Seahawks did.

I got pissed after 45 minutes though because I was simming until the draft and my PS3 locked up.

So a question for everyone. Well actually two.

1. When you start a new career...do you create your own coach or do you go with an existing one?

2. Do you start off in the offseason or do you start in preseason?

depends on what you want to do, really. I start with my own coach, and I've done both offseason AND preseason: word to the wise, glenn dorsey gets injured quite a bit (and the chiefs trainer SUCKS)--so offseason isn't the worst idea.

one of these days I'll upload the potentials for all of the draft classes I've gone through--I take the time to get all potentials for every player in the draft classes, I'm like five drafts in. started with the 'jack english/dane marrow' draft, etc.

Pestilence
12-19-2008, 05:15 PM
depends on what you want to do, really. I start with my own coach, and I've done both offseason AND preseason: word to the wise, glenn dorsey gets injured quite a bit (and the chiefs trainer SUCKS)--so offseason isn't the worst idea.

one of these days I'll upload the potentials for all of the draft classes I've gone through--I take the time to get all potentials for every player in the draft classes, I'm like five drafts in. started with the 'jack english/dane marrow' draft, etc.

Who did you get with your 2 1st round picks in the opening season?

Ebolapox
12-19-2008, 08:42 PM
Who did you get with your 2 1st round picks in the opening season?

I've gone through several different careers--the one that comes to the top of my mind I traded the fifth pick for the 26th pick, a third round pick, and their first the next year... the 17th pick I drafted ryan clady (great in this game) and the 26th pick I picked mike jenkins. he's a MONSTER at cornerback in this game.

the next year, I turned the first round pick that I acquired into dane marrow, who's been my QB through two super bowls in three years. his potential is 97 (in 'field general' strategy for QBs), he's awesome.

Ultra Peanut
12-20-2008, 05:54 AM
I've honestly lost all interest in every other game right now, for some reason (including the ones I haven't played yet), so I'm getting this from Gamefly.

Pestilence
12-20-2008, 11:25 AM
I've gone through several different careers--the one that comes to the top of my mind I traded the fifth pick for the 26th pick, a third round pick, and their first the next year... the 17th pick I drafted ryan clady (great in this game) and the 26th pick I picked mike jenkins. he's a MONSTER at cornerback in this game.

the next year, I turned the first round pick that I acquired into dane marrow, who's been my QB through two super bowls in three years. his potential is 97 (in 'field general' strategy for QBs), he's awesome.

Did you go crazy in FA or just sign 1-2 guys?

Ebolapox
12-20-2008, 03:32 PM
Did you go crazy in FA or just sign 1-2 guys?

I almost exclusively avoid free agency. for the most part, EVERYBODY is overpaid--I build everything through the draft (which is why I compiled all of the potentials), and when a guy is up for a second contract, 80% of the time he gets traded for draft picks. rinse/repeat. no kidding, I've literally had roughly 20 draft picks a year just by working the trades. trade down, trade down, your best values come in the last ten picks of the first round.

Pestilence
12-22-2008, 02:15 PM
I almost exclusively avoid free agency. for the most part, EVERYBODY is overpaid--I build everything through the draft (which is why I compiled all of the potentials), and when a guy is up for a second contract, 80% of the time he gets traded for draft picks. rinse/repeat. no kidding, I've literally had roughly 20 draft picks a year just by working the trades. trade down, trade down, your best values come in the last ten picks of the first round.

The trades during the draft are insane. Everyone wants to trade down.

Ebolapox
12-22-2008, 10:59 PM
The trades during the draft are insane. Everyone wants to trade down.

it's crazy. if you can get a top three pick, you can turn that into several first round picks and a second or third round pick VERY easily, and there are a LOT of sleepers in the drafts.

KCrockaholic
12-22-2008, 11:35 PM
So how does everyone like the play creator? has anyone tried uploading a created play from HC 09' to Madden 09'? this feature sounds awesome, i gotta try this!

Ultra Peanut
12-23-2008, 01:08 AM
I probably should have been paying attention before I went after a couple of RFAs in free agency and I lost #5 and #17...

No worries, my draft was still super-productive after some wheeling and dealing. Then I got a 2009 first rounder from Tampa in exchange for Gonzo, and dumped Nap Harris off on somebody for a THIRD rounder after much squabbling. Suckers.

oaklandhater
12-23-2008, 09:20 AM
any one else own the ps3 version of this mine keeps freezeing and loseing sound.

Pestilence
12-23-2008, 09:28 AM
I probably should have been paying attention before I went after a couple of RFAs in free agency and I lost #5 and #17...

No worries, my draft was still super-productive after some wheeling and dealing. Then I got a 2009 first rounder from Tampa in exchange for Gonzo, and dumped Nap Harris off on somebody for a THIRD rounder after much squabbling. Suckers.

Who the hell did you end up giving up the #5 and #17 to get?

Pestilence
12-23-2008, 09:28 AM
any one else own the ps3 version of this mine keeps freezeing and loseing sound.

Mine's frozen like once or twice.

Ultra Peanut
12-23-2008, 11:12 AM
The fucking Bucs had the best record in the league. Thanks a lot. Who the hell did you end up giving up the #5 and #17 to get?David Stewart and Michael Boley. Boley made the Pro Bowl.

... yeah. I was just scrambling to meet owner goals, and didn't notice that they were RFAs or look in the upper right hand corner of the bidding window which most assuredly said "1st Round Compensation." Oops?

Pestilence
12-23-2008, 11:45 AM
The fucking Bucs had the best record in the league. Thanks a lot. David Stewart and Michael Boley. Boley made the Pro Bowl.

... yeah. I was just scrambling to meet owner goals, and didn't notice that they were RFAs or look in the upper right hand corner of the bidding window which most assuredly said "1st Round Compensation." Oops?

I did that on one player but I realized what was going on when I noticed that no one had joined the bidding.

Pestilence
12-23-2008, 11:48 AM
it's crazy. if you can get a top three pick, you can turn that into several first round picks and a second or third round pick VERY easily, and there are a LOT of sleepers in the drafts.

I ended up getting 4 1st round picks because of trades.

I grabbed Dorsey, Clady, Mike Jenkins and Felix Jones.

Ebolapox
12-23-2008, 01:51 PM
The fucking Bucs had the best record in the league. Thanks a lot. David Stewart and Michael Boley. Boley made the Pro Bowl.

... yeah. I was just scrambling to meet owner goals, and didn't notice that they were RFAs or look in the upper right hand corner of the bidding window which most assuredly said "1st Round Compensation." Oops?

try not to pay too much attention to owner goals. they're bullshit most of the time. you can get a LOT of good pickups off of the free agent list in preseason.

Ebolapox
12-23-2008, 01:54 PM
I ended up getting 4 1st round picks because of trades.

I grabbed Dorsey, Clady, Mike Jenkins and Felix Jones.

felix jones is great--good speed, etc. if it weren't for the screwed up game system, running backs would RULE--unfortunately (and maybe you won't run up against this), regardless of how good a player's OVR, you'll be lucky to get 3 yards a carry and 1000-1300 yards a year with a 99 OVR RB. it's ridiculous.

depending on your d-line 'strategy' (I think mine is prototype), dre moore out of maryland has a potential of 92--not QUITE as good as dorsey, but he's not fragile and makes GREAT trade bait after two years.

Pestilence
12-23-2008, 01:57 PM
felix jones is great--good speed, etc. if it weren't for the screwed up game system, running backs would RULE--unfortunately (and maybe you won't run up against this), regardless of how good a player's OVR, you'll be lucky to get 3 yards a carry and 1000-1300 yards a year with a 99 OVR RB. it's ridiculous.

depending on your d-line 'strategy' (I think mine is prototype), dre moore out of maryland has a potential of 92--not QUITE as good as dorsey, but he's not fragile and makes GREAT trade bait after two years.

So do you actually go through each game or do you just sim it?

Ebolapox
12-23-2008, 02:01 PM
So do you actually go through each game or do you just sim it?

depends on who I'm up against. I probably do 50/50 play/sim. I do a lot of supersim, which lets you basically call the plays yet not take the time to watch each play develop. my preference is the GM style of the game, but there are times that I want to see the guys develop--so if I have a young guy who seems like he's about to blow up, I'll play a game or two to see if the hype is warrented.

Ebolapox
12-23-2008, 02:02 PM
felix jones is great--good speed, etc. if it weren't for the screwed up game system, running backs would RULE--unfortunately (and maybe you won't run up against this), regardless of how good a player's OVR, you'll be lucky to get 3 yards a carry and 1000-1300 yards a year with a 99 OVR RB. it's ridiculous.

depending on your d-line 'strategy' (I think mine is prototype), dre moore out of maryland has a potential of 92--not QUITE as good as dorsey, but he's not fragile and makes GREAT trade bait after two years.

oh yeah--I should point out--dre moore goes in like the third round at worst (you can probably get him in the fourth round), and gets paid a LOT less than dorsey.

Pestilence
12-23-2008, 02:03 PM
I haven't actually gotten a chance to coach a game yet (damn offseason takes forever). What I want to know is this. I always tender Svitek at a 2nd round pick.....then it says that Svitek left the team....but I never get the pick for it. Anyone run into that yet?

Ebolapox
12-23-2008, 02:07 PM
I haven't actually gotten a chance to coach a game yet (damn offseason takes forever). What I want to know is this. I always tender Svitek at a 2nd round pick.....then it says that Svitek left the team....but I never get the pick for it. Anyone run into that yet?

it's happened to me several times. it's bullshit. I tend to save a LOT and have several saved games, so when that happens, I redo it and MOST of the time it's fixed.

Pestilence
12-23-2008, 02:20 PM
I was wondering about that....because I never got my 2nd round pick. Although it doesn't really matter because there is always someone willing to trade with you in the draft.

Ultra Peanut
12-23-2008, 03:48 PM
I tendered Croyle and got the second rounder, but one problem that did pop up was that I drafted a QB in the second round in 09 with that pick and his 79 potential somehow went against the "Don't draft a bust (85 potential or lower) in the first round." Huhwha?

try not to pay too much attention to owner goals. they're bullshit most of the time. you can get a LOT of good pickups off of the free agent list in preseason.I realized this as I got a few more hours under my belt. I thought the "Owner approval -25" would put me in a deep hole, instead of the reality being a slight dip.

Pestilence
12-23-2008, 03:53 PM
I tendered Croyle and got the second rounder, but one problem that did pop up was that I drafted a QB in the second round in 09 with that pick and his 79 potential somehow went against the "Don't draft a bust (85 potential or lower) in the first round." Huhwha?

I realized this as I got a few more hours under my belt. I thought the "Owner approval -25" would put me in a deep hole, instead of the reality being a slight dip.

I hate that the commissioner is a complete prick. He always gives me shitty ass suggestions on who to draft.

unothadeal
12-23-2008, 03:53 PM
I've had it with this game! The offseason stuff is great. Love the draft, love free agency, but the regular season is just pathetic. If I coach a game I'll end up quitting after 20 dropped balls, no pass rush whatsoever and a running back running left, right, then backwards (when there's a hole the size of the grand canyon in front of him). If I sim I end up with ridiculous stats like Dwayne Bowe with 5 pass attempts and TG with 9 run attempts. Or my starting RB with 9 yards. Injuries is a total different thing. There's no way to turn them off or at least reduce the frequency of them.

Pestilence
12-23-2008, 03:55 PM
I've had it with this game! The offseason stuff is great. Love the draft, love free agency, but the regular season is just pathetic. If I coach a game I'll end up quitting after 20 dropped balls, no pass rush whatsoever and a running back running left, right, then backwards (when there's a hole the size of the grand canyon in front of him). If I sim I end up with ridiculous stats like Dwayne Bowe with 5 pass attempts and TG with 9 run attempts. Or my starting RB with 9 yards. Injuries is a total different thing. There's no way to turn them off or at least reduce the frequency of them.

Why can't they cut the fucking fluff out of Madden? They need to take this game and then add in the playability of Madden. I have no need for mini-games or anything like that.

Madden Franchise 2009

Just think about how awesome the game would be if they took all of the in depth GM type game play from this and then added in the section to where you could actually play the game and not just call the plays. Then maybe they could stop trying to incorporate retarded shit and actually fix the gameplay of Madden itself.

Ultra Peanut
12-23-2008, 04:10 PM
I haven't had wacky, fluky stuff in the game, but it is frustrating to watch LJ run outside and then go horizontally towards the sideline when it's 3rd and 3. Running, in-game and sim, is hella fucked up. LJ and Smith combined averaged, like, 15 carries per game -- if that -- whenever I simmed.

Madden with a Franchise using the Head Coach setup is the best game ever. I'm into games like FOF, Football Manager, and OOTP, so NFLHC will be amazing to me with a bit of polish, but it would be fun to have the option to lead the team down the field with your new stud QB every once in a while and whatnot.

I just wish you had a bit more freedom to pick and choose who you're hiring or signing. I was looking forward to staff stuff, but it's so rushed and it's hard to tell what you're getting.

unothadeal
12-23-2008, 04:18 PM
The good part is it's the first version (technically 2nd) so they only set a foundation for the franchise. But I don't see them ever incorporating HC setup into Madden because it would just mean less money. And this is EA we're talking about here.

Pestilence
12-23-2008, 04:30 PM
The good part is it's the first version (technically 2nd) so they only set a foundation for the franchise. But I don't see them ever incorporating HC setup into Madden because it would just mean less money. And this is EA we're talking about here.

Fucking less money? If they did it right it would be more money. Think about it. They could come out with 3 games.

Madden 20xx - This game is just like Madden now.
Head Coach 20xx - This game is just like the Head Coach game now.
Franchise 20xx - Hybrid game.

unothadeal
12-23-2008, 04:35 PM
****ing less money? If they did it right it would be more money. Think about it. They could come out with 3 games.

Madden 20xx - This game is just like Madden now.
Head Coach 20xx - This game is just like the Head Coach game now.
Franchise 20xx - Hybrid game.

Nobody would buy the first two if they could get them both in the third one.

Pestilence
12-23-2008, 04:41 PM
Nobody would buy the first two if they could get them both in the third one.

Then if they're smart they put all of their collective intelligence (which isn't alot) into one game and make it massive.

And I"m sure there would be some people who would buy the other two if there was one that was just Franchise. You would have the people who like the offseason aspects....but don't like playing the games buying Head Coach. And you would have the people who just like to play football with no Franchise aspect buying the Regular Madden. Cut the fucking prices down and people will buy.

RustShack
12-23-2008, 05:09 PM
I love it and hate it at the same time. I wish all the free agents were shown on the same screen when you are bidding instead of getting someone... then a couple bids later there is someone about just as good thats younger and cheaper and then I'm all... FUCK

Rain Man
12-23-2008, 05:19 PM
Can you get this game for computers, as opposed to game stations? I don't have a game station thingie because, well, I'm an adult.

Pestilence
12-23-2008, 05:20 PM
I love it and hate it at the same time. I wish all the free agents were shown on the same screen when you are bidding instead of getting someone... then a couple bids later there is someone about just as good thats younger and cheaper and then I'm all... FUCK

That's another thing I don't like.

Mecca
12-23-2008, 05:21 PM
Can you get this game for computers, as opposed to game stations? I don't have a game station thingie because, well, I'm an adult.

The gaming industry covers more adults than kids these days, get out of that backwards thinking man.

Fruit Ninja
12-23-2008, 05:22 PM
The gaming industry covers more adults than kids these days, get out of that backwards thinking man.

Yep, a majority of gamers are in their 30's thats where most sales come from. lol

If getting old means me not wanting to have fun playing video games at night before bed, then count me at staying young forever. The grey hairs are just lies!

Ultra Peanut
12-23-2008, 06:17 PM
I love it and hate it at the same time. I wish all the free agents were shown on the same screen when you are bidding instead of getting someone... then a couple bids later there is someone about just as good thats younger and cheaper and then I'm all... FUCKExactly. The current system adds a bit of much-needed challenge to change things up from the Madden style, but the problem is that it makes it impossible to really plan things out or see who's available before you commit to someone else.

oaklandhater
12-23-2008, 06:45 PM
Mine's frozen like once or twice.

mine has about a 35% chance of freezeing every time I sim anything in this game I just bought it and its frozen on me 5 times today I have to keep saveing it every time I sim anything.

that being said if madden used the drafting system this game uses it would be the greatest football game ever made.

RustShack
12-25-2008, 12:37 PM
I hired a new OC and it froze...

Adept Havelock
12-25-2008, 12:53 PM
Exactly. The current system adds a bit of much-needed challenge to change things up from the Madden style, but the problem is that it makes it impossible to really plan things out or see who's available before you commit to someone else.

There's a "FA Preview" that pops up sometime in the post-season before Free Agency begins.

Ultra Peanut
12-25-2008, 12:57 PM
So I restarted, feeling less burdened to compete immediately. I have Jake Fucking Long and Branden Fucking Albert on the line, I drafted Patrick Lee, Frank Okam, and Jermichael Finley who look like studs in the making, and Andre Woodson looks surprisingly decent. But apparently, going super-young and finishing 4-12 after your offensive line is gutted by injuries gets you fired.

Fuck you, fake Clark Hunt wannabe guy. That team was going to be awesome in 2009, especially with a top four draft pick.

I JUST WANT A HIGH DRAFT PICK, GOD DAMNIT

unothadeal
12-26-2008, 03:44 PM
So I restarted, feeling less burdened to compete immediately. I have Jake ****ing Long and Branden ****ing Albert on the line, I drafted Patrick Lee, Frank Okam, and Jermichael Finley who look like studs in the making, and Andre Woodson looks surprisingly decent. But apparently, going super-young and finishing 4-12 after your offensive line is gutted by injuries gets you fired.

**** you, fake Clark Hunt wannabe guy. That team was going to be awesome in 2009, especially with a top four draft pick.

I JUST WANT A HIGH DRAFT PICK, GOD DAMNIT

Get the special skill that has to do with boosting positive approval and less of an impact for negative approval. I finished with a 90 approval my first season (went 8-8 but still it helps)

Ultra Peanut
12-27-2008, 05:57 PM
I didn't do that, but I did try again and not just autosim this time. I got up to 80 approval thanks to a defining moment in a preseason game (:rolleyes:) and some decent early season stuff, and managed to eke out a 5-11 season that had me at 50-something approval.

Then I got Blake Walton in the draft at #8. BEAST. I was pining for Gino King in the second, but settled for Sean Fogarty who's battling Herb Taylor for the starting RG job now.

I'm 3-1 to start season two, and Andre Woodson's an 80 overall now (still pick-prone, though), so I have to consider whether or not I want to keep scouting QBs so hard.

Also, Brian Waters and Frank Okam are made of glass.