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eazyb81
07-06-2008, 05:37 PM
Just broke on ESPN. Interesting.....

Bowser
07-06-2008, 05:38 PM
Good, get his ass out of the AL Central.

eazyb81
07-06-2008, 05:43 PM
If the Royals don't finish out of the cellar this year with no CC for the Indians, I am going to be furious.

Sure-Oz
07-06-2008, 05:59 PM
Laporta goes to cleveland, lets hope he sucks

Pasta Giant Meatball
07-06-2008, 06:02 PM
Man, if Gallardo wouldn't have went down they would have 3 pretty top notch starters. Looks like they will be a dangerous team nonetheless.

little jacob
07-06-2008, 06:12 PM
and the best pitching staff in the nl central is now...

Ari Chi3fs
07-06-2008, 07:12 PM
that has to be good news for Card fans.

Pasta Giant Meatball
07-06-2008, 08:30 PM
that has to be good news for Card fans.

Brewers get CC

Cards get Mulder back in rotation WooWoo

POND_OF_RED
07-06-2008, 08:41 PM
This is part one of the trade. The second part is a straight up trade of Ben Sheets for Jim Edmonds. They just wanted a different ace. :bong:

Pasta Giant Meatball
07-06-2008, 08:45 PM
This is part one of the trade. The second part is a straight up trade of Ben Sheets for Jim Edmonds. They just wanted a different ace. :bong:

I think it'd be more like Eric Gagne for Edmonds :thumb:

doomy3
07-06-2008, 09:27 PM
what is the exact deal? LaPorta for CC? Or are there other prospects involved?

Sure-Oz
07-06-2008, 11:06 PM
what is the exact deal? LaPorta for CC? Or are there other prospects involved?

2 other prospects but not the other two top ones in their org, they are unnamed right now, LaPorta is the main part of the deal

Miles
07-07-2008, 01:45 AM
If the Royals don't finish out of the cellar this year with no CC for the Indians, I am going to be furious.

Carmona should be back soon plus they will be getting Hafner and vmart back at some point.

Ari Chi3fs
07-07-2008, 01:57 AM
Cleveland SUCKS! Cleveland SUCKS!

In the next couple of years, Lebron goes to Jersey... man, to be a Clevelander...

The Rick
07-07-2008, 08:52 AM
Yes!!!! It's a beautiful day for us Brewers fans!

The deal, to be exact, is Sabathia for La Porta, a couple of pitching prospects, and a player to be named later.

La Porta is probably going to be a stud. He was expendable though because he projects as a RF, LF, or 1B and the Brewers have Braun, Hart, and Fielder already entrenched at those positions.

Our rotation now looks like this: Sheets, Sabathia, Parra, Suppan, and Bush. Sheets and Sabathia are all-stars. We're paying Suppan a lot of money for not a lot of production, but he's a veteran. Parra and Bush are young guys who have really been pitching well as of late. I'd say we definitely have the top rotation in the NL now.

Hoover
07-07-2008, 09:04 AM
I'd be pretty excited if I was a Brewers fan. The one thing I might be worried about though is that you just sent your best prospect for a guy who is a big FA at the end of the season and to make matters worse you need to sign Prince Fielder and Ben Sheets if you want to keep that team together (which they should).

Their 1-2 of Sheets and Sabathia is nasty.

little jacob
07-07-2008, 09:05 AM
it's a good deal for Milwaukee. It's cool to finally see a smaller sized market team be a buyer for the biggest name available at the deadline. hopefully it pays off for them.

i will be rooting for the rays and the brewers come playoff time, it looks like that at this point anyway

eazyb81
07-07-2008, 09:07 AM
CC is going to dominate the NL. If Sheets can stay healthy, they will have the best 1-2 in the league, and that will be huge come playoff time.

StcChief
07-07-2008, 09:19 AM
Brewers are gonna make a run at NL C....Cubbies need to look over their shoulder at 2 teams now.

The Rick
07-07-2008, 09:23 AM
I'd be pretty excited if I was a Brewers fan. The one thing I might be worried about though is that you just sent your best prospect for a guy who is a big FA at the end of the season and to make matters worse you need to sign Prince Fielder and Ben Sheets if you want to keep that team together (which they should).

Their 1-2 of Sheets and Sabathia is nasty.
I am a little worried about the future if La Porta turns out to be a stud, knowing that he could have been on our roster.

On the plus side though, if Sabathia leaves after this year, we're the ones who get the 2 compensatory draft picks which would hopefully allow us to restock our farm system. Our scouting department has been top notch so I'm confident we can reload.

I seriously doubt we're going to resign Sheets. I think he's ready to move on, and I think the team views him as too much of an injury risk to sign him to a big contract. We got burned with this last contract. Four years and this is the first year he's not been out with an injury for an extended period of time. Surprisingly, it's a contract year.

I'm still hoping that we can somehow resign Fielder. We've already signed Braun long term and got him pretty cheap all things considered, so maybe we can now focus on Fielder. Even if we can't get something done, he's locked up for the next couple of years.

I'm also still holding out some hope that maybe we can work something out with Sabathia. We're paying Gagne $10 million this year and he won't be around next year. We're also paying Suppan $10 million and he's not been worth it. Getting rid of those 2 guys would free up $20 million per year for C.C.

eazyb81
07-07-2008, 09:26 AM
Brew Crew will also get two comp picks for Sheets when he walks. They will probably have another awesome draft in 2009.

The Rick
07-07-2008, 10:44 AM
Sweet...I think the wife and I might be going to the game tomorrow night when C.C. makes his first start in a Brewers uniform! :thumb:

POND_OF_RED
07-07-2008, 11:34 AM
Our rotation now looks like this: Sheets, Sabathia, Parra, Suppan, and Bush. Sheets and Sabathia are all-stars. We're paying Suppan a lot of money for not a lot of production, but he's a veteran. Parra and Bush are young guys who have really been pitching well as of late. I'd say we definitely have the top rotation in the NL now.

I'd say the Cubs and Brewers rotations are pretty even now. Sheets-Sabathia is a great 1-2 but the Cubs also have a great 1-2 in Zambrano-Dempster. The 3-5 spots of both rotations are about equal. They all have good stuff but they're just a little inconsistent at times. The move just puts pressure on the Cubs to make a move for a Harden, Lowe, or Burnett trade to solidify the rotation and bring it back to the top.

Pasta Giant Meatball
07-07-2008, 11:40 AM
I'd say the Cubs and Brewers rotations are pretty even now. Sheets-Sabathia is a great 1-2 but the Cubs also have a great 1-2 in Zambrano-Dempster. The 3-5 spots of both rotations are about equal. They all have good stuff but they're just a little inconsistent at times. The move just puts pressure on the Cubs to make a move for a Harden, Lowe, or Burnett trade to solidify the rotation and bring it back to the top.

Dempster has been pitching out of his mind this year, but can he keep it up all season?? Also, Ben Sheets is due to make his yearly trip to the DL. This race could be very interesting.

The Rick
07-07-2008, 12:10 PM
I'd say the Cubs and Brewers rotations are pretty even now. Sheets-Sabathia is a great 1-2 but the Cubs also have a great 1-2 in Zambrano-Dempster. The 3-5 spots of both rotations are about equal. They all have good stuff but they're just a little inconsistent at times. The move just puts pressure on the Cubs to make a move for a Harden, Lowe, or Burnett trade to solidify the rotation and bring it back to the top.
Sorry, I just don't see it. Zambrano is good, but Dempster hasn't nearly proven himself yet as a starter to be compared to either Sheets or Sabathia. The Brewers 1-2 punch, to me, is clearly better than the Cubs' 1-2. I do agree though that 3-5 for both teams is a wash.

Mr. Arrowhead
07-07-2008, 12:13 PM
I hope the brewers win that division, im sick of hearing about the cubs and the cards. Its time for someone new

markk
07-07-2008, 12:29 PM
St. Louis has to be hating this. I thought they were already going to have a hard time gaining ground on Chicago, and now they are the most lightly armed in a three team race it would seem.

bango
07-07-2008, 05:48 PM
As a Brewer Fan this makes me very happy. I heard that they may not be done dealing either. The National League is ripe for the taking this year. They play in the best Division right now and the winner should be able to get home field throughout the playoffs, and the Brew Crew play very well at home. They will meet with the Cubs at the end of the month as the trade deadline is drawing to an end. It will end up being a big series for both teams. A few years ago I considered the Cubs a friendly and neighborly rivalry. Now I dislike them almost as much as a Cardinal Fan would. I knew that time would come someday. I am also glad that this move helps out the Royals. They should have clinched a lock on fourth in their Division now. The Royal's Time will arrive one of these days and that will be nice too. I do not know that the Brewers will be as good next year. I do not think that they will be able to sign Fielder, Sheets, and CC. I think that all three are going to test the market and want top pay. I am not sure that the farm has many pitchers in the wings, but they are loaded with hitting and fielding talent. They will be compensated with picks and that wil help keep the shelves stocked. It is exciting to be a Brewer Fan again. It has been 15 to 20 years since I have been able to say or feel that.

Hoover
07-07-2008, 06:12 PM
Ok...let's think about this for a second....knowing that ANYTHING can happen in baseball:

The Brewers have 74 games left. Assuming CC gets dropped in the rotation ASAP, that means he has 14 starts before the end of the season. Ok?

So, if you take out the 14 starts from CC, that means the Brewers have 60 games left.

Let's say the Brewers continue (VARIABLE!) to play .557 ball in the games that CC doesn't start, that means the Brewers will go 33-27... for an overall record of 82-66....still with me?

Now....how many of CC's 14 starts do YOU think the Brewers will win? Not what will CC's record be with the Brewers, but how many of the 14 games that he starts will the Brewers win?

If they go 14-0, then the Brewers will finish 96-66
13-1, 95-67
12-2, 94-68
11-3, 93-69
10-4, 92-70..................I think they'll finish in the range
9-5, 91-71.................I think they'll finish in this range
8-6, 90-72...................I think they'll finish in this range
7-7, 89-73
6-8, 88-74
5-9, 87-75
4-10, 86-76
3-11, 85-77
2-12, 84-78
1-13, 83-79
0-14, 82-80

Keep in mind.....The Cubs have 73 games left, and if they continue (VARIABLE!) to play .596 ball, they will finish 43-30, for an overall record of 96-66.....shoot if they finish playing .500 ball the Cubs will still have an overall record on Oct 1st of 90-72.

IN CONCLUSION: If the Cubs play .500 ball or better for their last 73 games, they will finish with 90 wins. The Brewers will need to play at or around .560 ball in their last 74 games that CC doesn't start and win at LEAST 9 or 10 (71%) of the 14 starts that CC will make to finish with more than 90 wins...not TIE, but MORE THAN 90 wins.

bango
07-07-2008, 06:38 PM
Ok...let's think about this for a second....knowing that ANYTHING can happen in baseball:

The Brewers have 74 games left. Assuming CC gets dropped in the rotation ASAP, that means he has 14 starts before the end of the season. Ok?

So, if you take out the 14 starts from CC, that means the Brewers have 60 games left.

Let's say the Brewers continue (VARIABLE!) to play .557 ball in the games that CC doesn't start, that means the Brewers will go 33-27... for an overall record of 82-66....still with me?

Now....how many of CC's 14 starts do YOU think the Brewers will win? Not what will CC's record be with the Brewers, but how many of the 14 games that he starts will the Brewers win?

If they go 14-0, then the Brewers will finish 96-66
13-1, 95-67
12-2, 94-68
11-3, 93-69
10-4, 92-70..................I think they'll finish in the range
9-5, 91-71.................I think they'll finish in this range
8-6, 90-72...................I think they'll finish in this range
7-7, 89-73
6-8, 88-74
5-9, 87-75
4-10, 86-76
3-11, 85-77
2-12, 84-78
1-13, 83-79
0-14, 82-80

Keep in mind.....The Cubs have 73 games left, and if they continue (VARIABLE!) to play .596 ball, they will finish 43-30, for an overall record of 96-66.....shoot if they finish playing .500 ball the Cubs will still have an overall record on Oct 1st of 90-72.

IN CONCLUSION: If the Cubs play .500 ball or better for their last 73 games, they will finish with 90 wins. The Brewers will need to play at or around .560 ball in their last 74 games that CC doesn't start and win at LEAST 9 or 10 (71%) of the 14 starts that CC will make to finish with more than 90 wins...not TIE, but MORE THAN 90 wins.


Hey, rain on my parade on Tuesday. Not today. This is the most exciting thing that they have done in a long time. I know that last fact is sad. Please do not bring me down. I am still celebrating. As I stated in my previous post they are not done yet. most of their remaining games are at home where they play very well as opposed to the first half where they were on the road more and did not play as well.:)

The Rick
07-07-2008, 08:52 PM
Sweet...I think the wife and I might be going to the game tomorrow night when C.C. makes his first start in a Brewers uniform! :thumb:
Tickets are purchased...I'll be there tomorrow!

The Rick
07-07-2008, 08:54 PM
Ok...let's think about this for a second....knowing that ANYTHING can happen in baseball:

The Brewers have 74 games left. Assuming CC gets dropped in the rotation ASAP, that means he has 14 starts before the end of the season. Ok?

So, if you take out the 14 starts from CC, that means the Brewers have 60 games left.

Let's say the Brewers continue (VARIABLE!) to play .557 ball in the games that CC doesn't start, that means the Brewers will go 33-27... for an overall record of 82-66....still with me?

Now....how many of CC's 14 starts do YOU think the Brewers will win? Not what will CC's record be with the Brewers, but how many of the 14 games that he starts will the Brewers win?

If they go 14-0, then the Brewers will finish 96-66
13-1, 95-67
12-2, 94-68
11-3, 93-69
10-4, 92-70..................I think they'll finish in the range
9-5, 91-71.................I think they'll finish in this range
8-6, 90-72...................I think they'll finish in this range
7-7, 89-73
6-8, 88-74
5-9, 87-75
4-10, 86-76
3-11, 85-77
2-12, 84-78
1-13, 83-79
0-14, 82-80

Keep in mind.....The Cubs have 73 games left, and if they continue (VARIABLE!) to play .596 ball, they will finish 43-30, for an overall record of 96-66.....shoot if they finish playing .500 ball the Cubs will still have an overall record on Oct 1st of 90-72.

IN CONCLUSION: If the Cubs play .500 ball or better for their last 73 games, they will finish with 90 wins. The Brewers will need to play at or around .560 ball in their last 74 games that CC doesn't start and win at LEAST 9 or 10 (71%) of the 14 starts that CC will make to finish with more than 90 wins...not TIE, but MORE THAN 90 wins.
On the bright side, the Brewers have played 1 less game than the Cubs so far. Also, they have 2 more home games left than the Cubs, and 1 less road game.