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jagerdrinker
07-06-2008, 09:40 PM
Okay...killed this little thing in the backyard today...anyone have any clue what it is?

jagerdrinker
07-06-2008, 09:40 PM
...and here it is

Bowser
07-06-2008, 09:43 PM
Copperhead?

UteChief
07-06-2008, 09:47 PM
I'm glad I don't live by you. Jesus!!!

QuikSsurfer
07-06-2008, 09:47 PM
Definitely a copperhead.
Do you live in a wooded area?

petegz28
07-06-2008, 09:48 PM
copperhead

wutamess
07-06-2008, 09:48 PM
GawdDAMN! I'd just die.

KcMizzou
07-06-2008, 09:48 PM
Copperhead?That'd be my first guess... and enough for me to kill it. (I'll let the ones I think are harmless go)

I'm no expert though.

UteChief
07-06-2008, 09:49 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copperhead_snake

penguinz
07-06-2008, 09:49 PM
Looks like a copperhead. Why did you kill it? They do a hell of a lot more good than harm.

KcMizzou
07-06-2008, 09:51 PM
I should have said, "Enough for me to kill it, or run like hell!"

btlook1
07-06-2008, 09:52 PM
I haven't ever seen a copperhead around here but I know we have them to...you can tell its posionous by the shape of his head...good kill now go around and kill all you find. Good snake is a dead snake! Just my opinion I know everyone doesn't feel the same way!

jagerdrinker
07-06-2008, 09:53 PM
Looks like a copperhead. Why did you kill it? They do a hell of a lot more good than harm.

Killed it because it was stationed right outside the backyard where the boy likes to sit. Better it than the boy...or the dogs...plus the woman would be petrified.

QuikSsurfer
07-06-2008, 09:54 PM
If that thing is on your patio and lets say you have animals/kids around... are you going to look for something to carefully transport the snake to your neighbors; maybe something else?

I'm gonna ****ing chop the serpents head off with a garden hoe.

wutamess
07-06-2008, 09:56 PM
I'm not so sure that's a copperhead...
The wiki pics have the light patterns as being more dominant NOT the dark patterns as in this pic.

btlook1
07-06-2008, 09:57 PM
If that thing is on your patio and lets say you have animals/kids around... are you going to look for something to carefully transport the snake to your neighbors; maybe something else?

I'm gonna ****ing chop the serpents head off with a garden hoe.


depends maybe you have a neighbor you don't like....you know one that sits in his garage all day or bitches when your dog isn't on a leash...

jagerdrinker
07-06-2008, 09:58 PM
I'm not so sure that's a copperhead...
The wiki pics have the light patterns as being more dominant NOT the dark patterns as in this pic.

I was thinking the same thing...that it was probably a brown water snake, but damn it looks like a copperhead. I'll know tomorrow when I take its body to animal control in four separate pieces. Damn thing definitely tried to bite me, though.

wutamess
07-06-2008, 09:59 PM
Does it have fangs?

jagerdrinker
07-06-2008, 10:00 PM
I didn't pry open its maw to check. It was still tossing about in four separate pieces more than an hour later.

KcMizzou
07-06-2008, 10:00 PM
I was thinking the same thing...that it was probably a brown water snake, but damn it looks like a copperhead. I'll know tomorrow when I take its body to animal control in four separate pieces. Damn thing definitely tried to bite me, though.It looks close enough that I don't blame you for not taking any chances.

penguinz
07-06-2008, 10:01 PM
Killed it because it was stationed right outside the backyard where the boy likes to sit. Better it than the boy...or the dogs...plus the woman would be petrified.I understand that reasoning. I would have just relocated it but most people freak out at a harmless snake let alone a venomous snake.

Just an FYI... You are very unlikely to die from a copperhead bite. They are venomous but it is a low toxicity venom. Still better to not get bitten though. :p

smittysbar
07-06-2008, 10:03 PM
good riddance

Simply Red
07-06-2008, 10:04 PM
Looks like a copperhead. Why did you kill it? They do a hell of a lot more good than harm.

Generally Copperheads will not bother you unless you are on top of the or step on one. But they'll bite you if they feel oncoming objects.

FTR: Rat snacks scare the sh!t out of me. Usually I've found that, the more intimidating the snake looks the less/non poisonous. As an additional bonus they eat Copperheads.

jagerdrinker
07-06-2008, 10:05 PM
Right on, Red...thanks for helping a fellow B. S. Wildcat out.

Simply Red
07-06-2008, 10:05 PM
I understand that reasoning. I would have just relocated it but most people freak out at a harmless snake let alone a venomous snake.

Just an FYI... You are very unlikely to die from a copperhead bite. They are venomous but it is a low toxicity venom. Still better to not get bitten though. :p

CMIIW: But, doesn't a lot of this depend on the recepient, no?

MVChiefFan
07-06-2008, 10:06 PM
Did you smell cucumbers? I heard that they smell like cucumbers. Some friends and family and I were playing paintball in the woods and my uncle and I smelled cucumbers all of the sudden. We bolted, paintballs be damned!

KcMizzou
07-06-2008, 10:08 PM
FTR: Rat snacks scare the sh!t out of me. Agreed, rat snacks suck. Scooby snacks, however, are irresistible.

Simply Red
07-06-2008, 10:11 PM
Agreed, rat snacks suck. Scooby snacks, however, are irresistible.

Amongst humans they're harmless (though they look very intimidating)

Amongst other snakes they're baddass's.

penguinz
07-06-2008, 10:11 PM
CMIIW: But, doesn't a lot of this depend on the recepient, no?I am sure it does. But so does the toxicity of an over the counter pain or allergy med.

Last I read there had never been a recorder death in Missouri, where these snakes or very common, from the bite of a copperhead.

Most if not all of the few deaths in the US that are from copperheads resulted in bites from multiple snakes.

Simply Red
07-06-2008, 10:14 PM
I wouldn't want to walk on a nest. That'd really suck.

Mr. Flopnuts
07-06-2008, 10:28 PM
You live in the SE, near water. That looks like a water moccasin too me. They're in NC too. They're nasty ****ers.

Jayhawkerman2001
07-06-2008, 11:16 PM
everybody's saying copperhead, but im not too sure thats what that is. where do you live and what do you live by?

Lonewolf Ed
07-06-2008, 11:20 PM
I'm not so sure that's a copperhead...
The wiki pics have the light patterns as being more dominant NOT the dark patterns as in this pic.

It doesn't look like a copperhead to me, not that I have seen many of them, but once one comes after you all pissed off, the image stays pretty clear. Fortunately for me, I was using a push mower at the time. Brrrbrbrbrbdbdbbbp!

Jayhawkerman2001
07-06-2008, 11:22 PM
You live in the SE, near water. That looks like a water moccasin too me. They're in NC too. They're nasty ****ers.

thats what i was thinking. its too bright for moccasin though, i think

alanm
07-06-2008, 11:24 PM
I'm not so sure that's a copperhead...
The wiki pics have the light patterns as being more dominant NOT the dark patterns as in this pic.
I was going to say it didn't look like a copperhead but then the realization is that all markings on a species of snake aren't always exactly identical. The head is a better indicator.

btlook1
07-06-2008, 11:26 PM
I was going to say it didn't look like a copperhead but then the realization is that all markings on a species of snake aren't always exactly identical. The head is a better indicator.

Usually in a bad snake the head is diamond shaped like that one. The non-venom snakes are usually more roundish or oval shaped. Not an expert but I do watch the discovery channel occasionally!

alanm
07-06-2008, 11:30 PM
These are the 2 that always throw me off.

Bacon Cheeseburger
07-06-2008, 11:36 PM
These are the 2 that always throw me off.

Do you see those often out in Scottsbluff?

KCChiefsMan
07-07-2008, 12:34 AM
I'm pretty sure that's a water maccosin, the markings look very similiar to one and they are not all really dark. I'm about 90% sure thats a cottonmouth, nasty f*ckers and you wouldn't want that biting you or your loved ones. It's either that or a water snake (harmless). I really don't think that's a copperhead, probably an eastern cottonmouth

Otter
07-07-2008, 12:37 AM
Seems to a snake with an shovel growing out its back.

I'd say its a "shove snake".

KCChiefsMan
07-07-2008, 12:39 AM
and I would put the head in a safe place if I were you, since you are taking it to animal control. I think the venom can still be active for a day or 2 if you were to prick yourself with it's fangs

rad
07-07-2008, 12:45 AM
May be a Moc...

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://donavanlakes.org/water%2520moccasin.JPG&imgrefurl=http://donavanlakes.org/snakes.htm&h=291&w=418&sz=23&tbnid=d9_9GgS98AkJ::&tbnh=87&tbnw=125&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dwater%2Bmoccasin%2Bpics&sa=X&oi=image_result&resnum=2&ct=image&cd=1

This site looks pretty helpful:

http://www.aaanimalcontrol.com/snakegallery.html

ChiefsFanatic
07-07-2008, 01:06 AM
Damn thing definitely tried to bite me, though.

That was an interesting, and fatal strategy used by the snake unless you approached the snake with the shovel behind your back.:thumb:

melbar
07-07-2008, 01:07 AM
google MO snakes. there is a picture library of all snakes found in MO.

CrazyPhuD
07-07-2008, 02:00 AM
Trouser snake?

Ok in all seriousness it's got the triangular head which means it's a viper, i.e. poisonous. Whatever it was it's a threat to family/pets.

I'd go with vote of juvenile cottonmouth(i.e. water moc). WHen young they are actually light(and related to copperheads), however they darken with age.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agkistrodon_piscivorus

"This species is often confused with the copperhead, A. contortrix. This is especially true for juveniles, but there are differences. A. piscivorus has broad dark stripes on the sides of its head that extend back from the eye, whereas A. contortrix has only a thin dark line that divides the pale supralabials from the somewhat darker color of the head.[3]"

ZootedGranny
07-07-2008, 02:15 AM
Snake? Snake? SNAAAAAAAAAAAAAKKKKKKKEEEEEEEE!

KCCHIEFS27
07-07-2008, 02:38 AM
I'd say it's of the Cottonmouth species..I've seen those at numerous West Virginia sermons..

Bwana
07-07-2008, 05:55 AM
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Skip Towne
07-07-2008, 06:08 AM
Looks like a rattle headed copper moccasin.

DaKCMan AP
07-07-2008, 06:10 AM
google MO snakes. there is a picture library of all snakes found in MO.

I don't think that would be very useful in identifying a snake found in Pensacola.

the Talking Can
07-07-2008, 06:29 AM
...

penguinz
07-07-2008, 06:32 AM
These are the 2 that always throw me off.Just remember. Red against yellow...Dead Fellow

Dartgod
07-07-2008, 06:35 AM
Looks like a rattle headed copper moccasin.
Those are the WORST!!

Hog Farmer
07-07-2008, 06:51 AM
I'm not so sure that's a copperhead...
The wiki pics have the light patterns as being more dominant NOT the dark patterns as in this pic.


Yeah. Theres only one way to tell for sure. Ya gotta taste the venom!

KC Jones
07-07-2008, 07:02 AM
http://mdc.mo.gov/nathis/herpetol/snake/snake1.htm

Northern Water Snake

Nerodia sipedon sipedon

Local Name: banded water snake. A gray to reddish-brown snake with dark brown crossbands, its belly is cream-colored with numerous black and reddish half-moon markings. Scales along the back and sides are keeled.

:shrug:

Lzen
07-07-2008, 07:14 AM
I understand that reasoning. I would have just relocated it but most people freak out at a harmless snake let alone a venomous snake.

Just an FYI... You are very unlikely to die from a copperhead bite. They are venomous but it is a low toxicity venom. Still better to not get bitten though. :p

Have you ever been bitten by a venomous snake? Neither have I, but I will tell you this. I have read and watched a lot of educational stuff on snakes. From what I gather, it is extremely painful, even if you live through it. Like your first sentence says, I don't blame him one bit.

Snakes are are good for keeping the rodent population down. But that doesn't mean I would let a venomous one live if were on my property. ;)

Lzen
07-07-2008, 07:17 AM
and I would put the head in a safe place if I were you, since you are taking it to animal control. I think the venom can still be active for a day or 2 if you were to prick yourself with it's fangs

Good advice. You can still get injected with venom if you don't handle the head properly.

Lzen
07-07-2008, 07:19 AM
Snake? Snake? SNAAAAAAAAAAAAAKKKKKKKEEEEEEEE!

MGS :thumb:

tiptap
07-07-2008, 07:22 AM
I am trying to look closely at the head. I do not see any pits as in pit viper. All Copperhead, Rattlesnakes and Moccasins are pit vipers.

Lzen
07-07-2008, 07:32 AM
I am trying to look closely at the head. I do not see any pits as in pit viper. All Copperhead, Rattlesnakes and Moccasins are pit vipers.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viperidae
All viperids have a pair of relatively long solenoglyphous (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solenoglypha) (hollow) fangs, that are used to inject venom (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venom) from glands located towards the rear of the upper jaws. Each of the two fangs is at the front of the mouth on a short maxillary (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maxillary) bone that can rotate back and forth. When not in use, the fangs fold back against the roof of the mouth and are enclosed in a membranous sheath. The left and right fangs can be rotated together or independently. During a strike, the mouth can open nearly 180 and the maxilla (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maxilla) rotates forward, erecting the fangs as late as possible so as the fangs do not become damaged. The jaws close on impact and powerful muscles that surround the venom glands contract to inject the venom as the fangs penetrate. This action is very fast; in defensive strikes it can be more a stab than a bite. Viperids use this mechanism primarily for immobilization and digestion of prey. Secondarily it is used for self-defense.Although in most cases with non prey items such as humans they are more likely to give a dry bite (not inject any venom).
Almost all vipers have keeled scales (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keeled_scales), a stocky build with a short tail, and, due to the location of the venom glands, a triangular-shaped head distinct from the neck. Their eyes have vertically elliptical, or slit-shaped, pupils (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pupil) that can open wide to cover most of the eye or close almost completely, which helps them to see in a wide range of light levels. Typically, vipers are nocturnal and ambush their prey.
Compared to many other snakes, vipers often appear rather sluggish. Most are ovoviviparous (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ovoviviparity), giving birth to live young, but a few lay eggs; the word "viper" is derived from Latin vivo = "I live" and pario = "I give birth".<sup id="cite_ref-Sch02_2-0" class="reference">[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viperidae#cite_note-Sch02-2)</sup>

Pennywise
07-07-2008, 07:40 AM
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HonestChieffan
07-07-2008, 07:53 AM
CMIIW: But, doesn't a lot of this depend on the recepient, no?

Not die=good, BUT...FYI, I have a friend who was biten by a copperhead two years ago on my farm. He spent two nights and the better part of 3 days in Hospital, his life was not in much danger but the possibilty for permanat nerve damage, joint issues, and others are very real.

I was told once that the bite from a copperhead was about like a bee sting and until I saw the truth I believed that.

Fried Meat Ball!
07-07-2008, 07:59 AM
I AM TIRED OF THE MOTHER****ING SNAKES ON THIS MOTHER****ING PLANE!!!

penguinz
07-07-2008, 08:07 AM
Not die=good, BUT...FYI, I have a friend who was biten by a copperhead two years ago on my farm. He spent two nights and the better part of 3 days in Hospital, his life was not in much danger but the possibilty for permanat nerve damage, joint issues, and others are very real.

I was told once that the bite from a copperhead was about like a bee sting and until I saw the truth I believed that.The biggest issue that happens from a copperhead bite is that They more often than not 'dry bite' humans. Because of this and the fact that the anti-venom can cause a severe allergic reaction you will normally just get antibiotics for treatment. Your friend may be a case where it was not a dry bite and never received the anti-venom or he may have received it an had an allergic reaction.

penguinz
07-07-2008, 08:25 AM
After looking at it more closely I go with Cottonmouth.

There venom is even less toxic than that of a copperhead but they are more likely to kill. The almost never give a dry bite and there glands are much larger so they release a larger amount of venom. They are also a very aggressive snake.

HonestChieffan
07-07-2008, 08:35 AM
The biggest issue that happens from a copperhead bite is that They more often than not 'dry bite' humans. Because of this and the fact that the anti-venom can cause a severe allergic reaction you will normally just get antibiotics for treatment. Your friend may be a case where it was not a dry bite and never received the anti-venom or he may have received it an had an allergic reaction.

The snake was a copperhead that bit him. He had a clear bite with two fang marks. He was at the hospital within 30 minutes. They dont administer anti venom if at all possible. They treat with basically pain killers and thats about it. The swelling began at his hand, traveled up his arm and finally went down in the second day when it had moved to his shoulder.

DeepPurple
07-07-2008, 08:50 AM
What section of Pensacola do you live?

The closest experience I had was a home on Hidden Oak Drive in Windsor Forest in Pensacola. I went out one morning to check the skimmer on the pool and when I lifted the lid and looked inside there was a snake curled up, scared the hell out of me.

There was a Marine living next door, so I just walked over and said, Tom do you want to kill a snake, he was over my place in 5 seconds. The snake swam out and was doing laps in the pool, so Tom went out on the diving board and picked it up with a golf club and took it to the side and killed it. I don't know what it was, but I never lifted the skimmer lid with my finger ever again.

I lived in Pensacola from 1977 to 1982 in three different homes. I would build them and live in them for a year or two and then sell it, buy a new lot and build a bigger home and then move on.

bkkcoh
07-07-2008, 08:56 AM
Original Photo:

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/attachment.php?attachmentid=79476&stc=1&d=1215402025


Photo from search
http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/images/1440857608

Looks like a cotton mouth

Link (http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/uw229)

JBucc
07-07-2008, 08:59 AM
I'd say Cottonmouth as well. Looks similar to this guy:
http://www.venomoussnakes.net/cottonmouth-snake.jpg

Do you still have it? Pry his mouth open and take a pic for us.

Redrum_69
07-07-2008, 09:13 AM
Thats just a garter snake...

Demonpenz
07-07-2008, 09:30 AM
I got a snake you can identify /todd from scrubs

stumppy
07-07-2008, 09:32 AM
It's a Rattle headed coral cotton constrictor.

mikeyis4dcats.
07-07-2008, 09:50 AM
http://www.venomoussnakes.net/snake-bite-pictures.htm

Amnorix
07-07-2008, 09:58 AM
Based on the pic comparison, I agree with Cottonmouth. While winters up here suck, there's virtually no poisonous insects/reptiles to deal with in these parts.

Anyway -- gotta ask -- in your picture the thing has clearly grown a serious shovel problem, and yet seems to be partly reared up and looking to bite you. I'm trying to figure out how soon after he got a shovel in the back you were able to get a camera out and take the photo. WTF is up with the timing of these events?

blueballs
07-07-2008, 09:58 AM
he just came to eat the skunk kittens under the porch

penguinz
07-07-2008, 11:14 AM
Based on the pic comparison, I agree with Cottonmouth. While winters up here suck, there's virtually no poisonous insects/reptiles to deal with in these parts.

Anyway -- gotta ask -- in your picture the thing has clearly grown a serious shovel problem, and yet seems to be partly reared up and looking to bite you. I'm trying to figure out how soon after he got a shovel in the back you were able to get a camera out and take the photo. WTF is up with the timing of these events?A snake will still try to and can bite for quite awhile after it's head has been removed.

StcChief
07-07-2008, 11:25 AM
Cottonmouth

Friendo
07-07-2008, 11:30 AM
I'd say Cottonmouth or Banded Water Snake--our Copperheads are usually more orangish.

The guy that got the bats out of my house told me there had been a 12 foot Cobra spotted in the vicinity of Ft. Bragg a couple of weeks back-that would give me the willies for sure!

jagerdrinker
07-07-2008, 05:23 PM
After consulting the experts, this little guy was the much feared and often mistaken banded water snake. The game warden that I spoke to opened his mouth up and made sure that there were no fangs or anything. As for the serious of events in the photograph...I was chopping while my daughter was snapping. This thing was aggressive to the end when I actually severed his head from his body. I hacked this thing into four different pieces and it was wriggling around a good four hours later, even though the head had been removed. Given the chance to do it all over, I'd kill it again just to be sure. It looks so similar to a venomous snake, especially in the picture, that I wouldn't chance it. Thanks to everyone for their help and prognostications. I'm going to go snake-proof my backyard now.

Mr. Flopnuts
07-07-2008, 05:24 PM
After consulting the experts, this little guy was the much feared and often mistaken banded water snake. The game warden that I spoke to opened his mouth up and made sure that there were no fangs or anything. As for the serious of events in the photograph...I was chopping while my daughter was snapping. This thing was aggressive to the end when I actually severed his head from his body. I hacked this thing into four different pieces and it was wriggling around a good four hours later, even though the head had been removed. Given the chance to do it all over, I'd kill it again just to be sure. It looks so similar to a venomous snake, especially in the picture, that I wouldn't chance it. Thanks to everyone for their help and prognostications. I'm going to go snake-proof my backyard now.

They look a lot like water moccasins. I'm just glad he wasn't a danger to you, or yours.

jagerdrinker
07-07-2008, 05:24 PM
series of events...not serious...geez...I'm a knucklehead.

Midnight_Vulture
07-07-2008, 05:33 PM
Wow you are moron. Why did you kill that poor snake? What did it ever do to you? I hope a rattlesnake bites you now.

Most snakes are very scarred of people so they remain harmless.

I own a pet snake (a boa to be exact) and it is the nicest pet too.

KC Jones
07-07-2008, 06:41 PM
So what do I win?

http://mdc.mo.gov/nathis/herpetol/snake/snake1.htm

Northern Water Snake

Nerodia sipedon sipedon

Local Name: banded water snake. A gray to reddish-brown snake with dark brown crossbands, its belly is cream-colored with numerous black and reddish half-moon markings. Scales along the back and sides are keeled.

:shrug:

FAX
07-07-2008, 06:46 PM
You know, this snake looks a lot like the one I found in my front yard that one time. Mine wasn't "copper", though. It was more grey. But, the markings are very, very similar. I wonder if it was a Greyhead.

FAX

CrazyPhuD
07-07-2008, 07:30 PM
Wow you are moron. Why did you kill that poor snake? What did it ever do to you? I hope a rattlesnake bites you now.

Most snakes are very scarred of people so they remain harmless.

I own a pet snake (a boa to be exact) and it is the nicest pet too.

Have you ever dressed up like a white mouse for Halloween? It's an awesome costume, it always picks up the chicks. Just make sure you don't pass out at home with it still on.

blueballs
07-07-2008, 07:36 PM
Midnight_Constricted

Dartgod
07-07-2008, 07:42 PM
Most snakes are very scarred of people so they remain harmless.

I own a pet snake (a boa to be exact) and it is the nicest pet too.
The proper spelling is scared, you moron.

Although, looking at what that shovel did to the snake, scarred could be the correct spelling.

blueballs
07-07-2008, 07:43 PM
isn't fear
what provokes attacks

JimNasium
07-07-2008, 07:45 PM
isn't fear
what provokes attacks

I've always been fearful of attack. Just sayin'....

alanm
07-07-2008, 07:45 PM
Do you see those often out in Scottsbluff?
ROFL No but we have a lot of these out here. :spock: