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bogey
07-09-2008, 11:29 AM
I currently have a '94 Ford Explorer. It gets 15 mpg. I commute an average of 260 miles per week. My Ford is starting to have mechanical problems. Since January, I have averaged spending $207.00 per month on repairs and $342.00 per month on gas. If I can get a new car that gets 25 mpg and can keep my payments at $300.00 per month, I would save roughly $40.00 per month. I would like to get some kind of a Hybrid. If possible, a SUV Hybrid. I haven't started my research yet. Anyone have any recommendations on a new vehicle?

Bacon Cheeseburger
07-09-2008, 11:31 AM
The Ford Escape is the only SUV hybrid I'm aware of.

sedated
07-09-2008, 11:31 AM
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luv
07-09-2008, 11:33 AM
http://www.hybridsuv.com/

booyaf2
07-09-2008, 11:33 AM
I had a Ford Escape a few years back. It was an 2001 model, not hybrid, but we loved that car. As the family got bigger, we thought the vehicle needed to get bigger too. Looking back i wish i still had it.

CrazyPhuD
07-09-2008, 11:34 AM
The problem is...currently speaking hybrids are the biggest value scam in the world. Now is definitely not the time to buy them from a value point of view. Are you thinking of buying a hybrid to be 'green'(that's fine) or do you think it will save you gas money(bad value proposition).

OnTheWarpath58
07-09-2008, 11:35 AM
Do you NEED an SUV, or just WANT an SUV?

bogey
07-09-2008, 11:38 AM
The problem is...currently speaking hybrids are the biggest value scam in the world. Now is definitely not the time to buy them from a value point of view. Are you thinking of buying a hybrid to be 'green'(that's fine) or do you think it will save you gas money(bad value proposition).

To save money on gas. So they're currently over priced? Like HDTV's when they first came out?

bogey
07-09-2008, 11:41 AM
Do you NEED an SUV, or just WANT an SUV?

The reason I think I need an SUV is because I seem to always have projects around the house that require I haul big stuff from the hardware store. Maybe I should consider a pick-up?

StcChief
07-09-2008, 11:43 AM
The reason I think I need an SUV is because I seem to always have projects around the house that require I haul big stuff from the hardware store. Maybe I should consider a pick-up?Home depot rent a truck, or find a friend with a truck... buy him gas/beer? Worked for me for years.

bogey
07-09-2008, 11:45 AM
http://www.hybridsuv.com/

Thanks Luv.

DeezNutz
07-09-2008, 11:46 AM
Research hybrids before buying. The electrical component, thus making it a hybrid, can be so expensive to repair that the car is essentially totaled when it goes out. Furthermore, the life expectancy on this part of the car is roughly 100,000 miles, so good luck trying to sell it after this point.

bogey
07-09-2008, 11:47 AM
Home depot rent a truck, or find a friend with a truck... buy him gas/beer? Worked for me for years.

I suppose I could rent a Home Depot truck when necessary. That's not nearly as fun though.

bogey
07-09-2008, 11:50 AM
Research hybrids before buying. The electrical component, thus making it a hybrid, can be so expensive to repair that the car is essentially totaled when it goes out. Furthermore, the life expectancy on this part of the car is roughly 100,000 miles, so good luck trying to sell it after this point.

Interesting.

StcChief
07-09-2008, 11:51 AM
I suppose I could rent a Home Depot truck when necessary. That's not nearly as fun though.
Fun at this point $4/gallon to drive an SUV or .....

feeding your family, having disposable income for other things :hmmm: sounds like a priorities issue.

Pestilence
07-09-2008, 11:56 AM
If you don't HAVE to have an SUV and you can live with a little car. Go with the new Nissan Sentra. My girlfriend has one and she gets anywhere from 30-35 mpg. Plus she got hers for around $14-$15k.

bogey
07-09-2008, 12:08 PM
Fun at this point $4/gallon to drive an SUV or .....

feeding your family, having disposable income for other things :hmmm: sounds like a priorities issue.

I don't want to get rid of my Explorer. But it's no longer cost effective. Isn't that a good priority?

bogey
07-09-2008, 12:11 PM
If you don't HAVE to have an SUV and you can live with a little car. Go with the new Nissan Sentra. My girlfriend has one and she gets anywhere from 30-35 mpg. Plus she got hers for around $14-$15k.

I don't have to have an SUV but would sure like to have one. I do like to have the extra room. I'll definitely check in to Sentra though. Was that $15k for a new one? Thanks.

Pestilence
07-09-2008, 12:13 PM
I don't have to have an SUV but would sure like to have one. I do like to have the extra room. I'll definitely check in to Sentra though. Was that $15k for a new one? Thanks.

She paid $14 for a 2007 with 19,000 miles. She added the extended warranty to the factory warranty for another $1000 that bumped it up to 7 years - 100,000 miles.

bogey
07-09-2008, 12:14 PM
She paid $14 for a 2007 with 19,000 miles. She added the extended warranty to the factory warranty for another $1000 that bumped it up to 7 years - 100,000 miles.

Nice!

Pestilence
07-09-2008, 12:19 PM
Nice!

Yeah we both really like it. It looks small from the outside but it actually has a lot of room on the inside. The trunk is a good size and the glove box is f'ng huge for some reason. lol

For being a 4 cyl too.....it has some nice acceleration. I think her payments are around $300-$320.

http://www.nissanusa.com/sentra/?dcp=16610873;&dcc=95621181;

Frazod
07-09-2008, 12:27 PM
I used to have a Pontiac Vibe (which I really should have kept :banghead: ) that got great mileage AND had a ton of storage space if you put the back seats down. If you have kids, this is not the vehicle for you, since it's either passengers or storage, and definitely not both. The Vibe is also basically a Toyota Matrix with a Pontiac grille, so the quality will be there. I'm kicking around getting another one; I have also looked at the Versa, which comes in a hatchback and has more features than the Vibe for the same money.

Buehler445
07-09-2008, 12:32 PM
I have a Pontiac G6 with a V6 (coincidentally it is also a 2006:)). It gets 22-26 in town and 28-35 on the highway depending on how heavy traffic (your foot) is. I really like it. It is a very tight, well built car, and there is a lot of quality for the $ IMO.

I know there are a lot of GM haters on the board, but I've had great luck with this car.

mikeyis4dcats.
07-09-2008, 12:36 PM
here is a good discussion of mileage and the myths of big savings

http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.aspx?catid=38&threadid=2200597&highlight_key=y&keyword1=mpg

Frosty
07-09-2008, 12:43 PM
Keep the Explorer for the hauling stuff and get a small, cheap car to commute in.

For SUVs, I have a 2006 Honda CR-V and get 28-30 mpg in mixed driving with it (it's classified an SUV but I consider it a Civic station wagon).

wutamess
07-09-2008, 12:49 PM
Volkswagen Jetta TDI 30-50mpg city/highway.
http://www.rapiddebtloss.com/blog/2008/06/02/new-car-i-think-not/
Buy used.

CrazyPhuD
07-09-2008, 12:50 PM
To save money on gas. So they're currently over priced? Like HDTV's when they first came out?

So there always is the question of if the extra money for the hybrid really makes it worth the extra premium of the hybrid cost. With gas prices even higher today this is even MORE true rather than less.....

Why? Simply put hybrid's are a panic buy right now. Everyone is buying them because they feel they have to save money on gas even though for most of them buying a hybrid is a bad financial decision. Why, there is absolutely no negotiating room on any hybrid right now you are stuck paying MSRP or even a markup. That all adds to the relative cost of purchasing a hybrid.

If you look at a non hybrid that gets good enough gas mileage you will probably find the deal and the value you get is much better. Think of the value of the whole deal not just about gas prices. Figure how much you'll spend on gas plus the premium that a hybrid would cost versus a non hybrid. You also need to consider what the car would actually cost too. If the non-hybrid you can get for under MSRP and the hybrid costs MSRP+ you need to factor that also.

Just don't do what everyone else is doing right now. Panic buying and panic selling, you'll lose more money that way. :-/

CrazyPhuD
07-09-2008, 12:51 PM
Oh one point. Be cautious about buying Chrysler. There is a very real chance they won't make it, while some brands might get sold to other companies you don't want to be stuck without a dealer or warranty.

bogey
07-09-2008, 12:54 PM
So there always is the question of if the extra money for the hybrid really makes it worth the extra premium of the hybrid cost. With gas prices even higher today this is even MORE true rather than less.....

Why? Simply put hybrid's are a panic buy right now. Everyone is buying them because they feel they have to save money on gas even though for most of them buying a hybrid is a bad financial decision. Why, there is absolutely no negotiating room on any hybrid right now you are stuck paying MSRP or even a markup. That all adds to the relative cost of purchasing a hybrid.

If you look at a non hybrid that gets good enough gas mileage you will probably find the deal and the value you get is much better. Think of the value of the whole deal not just about gas prices. Figure how much you'll spend on gas plus the premium that a hybrid would cost versus a non hybrid. You also need to consider what the car would actually cost too. If the non-hybrid you can get for under MSRP and the hybrid costs MSRP+ you need to factor that also.

Just don't do what everyone else is doing right now. Panic buying and panic selling, you'll lose more money that way. :-/

Makes complete sense.

Silock
07-09-2008, 01:00 PM
I would suggest buying a slightly used SUV. They're dirt cheap because no one wants to buy them and you can get a KILLER deal on them.

bogey
07-09-2008, 01:02 PM
I would suggest buying a slightly used SUV. They're dirt cheap because no one wants to buy them and you can get a KILLER deal on them.

Another good point.

Calcountry
07-09-2008, 01:04 PM
Fun at this point $4/gallon to drive an SUV or .....

feeding your family, having disposable income for other things :hmmm: sounds like a priorities issue.It's a California issue. You can't take a shit out here without driving to do it.

bogey
07-09-2008, 01:21 PM
It's a California issue. You can't take a shit out here without driving to do it.

Sad isn't it? The mass transit system is so packed right now that people who are trying to take the rails can't find places to park at the stops.

StcChief
07-09-2008, 01:34 PM
It's a California issue. You can't take a shit out here without driving to do it.
that truly is sad.... now to scramble to get hydrogen network, electric Hybrids.

but Mass Transit seemed so simple at the time....We have it Metrolink on existing rail lines.....starts at The Airport, should be all the way out in ST.C county, the voters turned it down years ago, It should be making a comeback for a vote. I would hope.

The politicans could really make Hay with it now and pat themselves on the back for future vision..... instead it will be a reaction approach.

Glad I'm not in People Republic of Kali. with way too many people there with you.

DaneMcCloud
07-09-2008, 03:00 PM
With the amount of mileage you're driving (and that doesn't include burning gas while in bumper to bumper traffic on the 405), I'd buy a Prius. They're amazing and surprisingly roomy.

Toyota makes an SUV hybrid and a Camry hybrid but I think those will probably cost quite a bit more per month, depending on your down payment.

But I truly think the Prius is the answer.

Good luck.

penguinz
07-09-2008, 03:07 PM
Oh one point. Be cautious about buying Chrysler. There is a very real chance they won't make it, while some brands might get sold to other companies you don't want to be stuck without a dealer or warranty.Chrysler is not going anywhere.

Braincase
07-09-2008, 03:12 PM
Get an Aptera, then charge people just to look at it, birdman.

CrazyPhuD
07-09-2008, 04:09 PM
Chrysler is not going anywhere.

We'll see....limited cash assets followed by inability to for anyone in auto to raise much money. They have the most Truck and SUV sales and at 90+% of sales in the US which went in the tank. Combine the fact that parent company Cerebus isn't doing well and will be in serious trouble if GMAC collapses.

People talk about a GM bankruptcy when if anyone is going to do it, it will be Chrysler.

BWillie
07-09-2008, 04:31 PM
Get a Honda Insight. They get mid 50's in miles per gallon. The most efficient vehicle out there. They are rare though, and good luck finding them. They are actually appreciating in price right now. A 2004 Blue books for like $6500 but you won't be able to find one below 11K.

Mr. Flopnuts
07-09-2008, 05:12 PM
http://www.pinklily.com.au/images/media/smartcar.jpg

Gas economy and style all rolled into one neat little package for the alpha male.

Pablo
07-09-2008, 05:18 PM
My fiance drives a '07 Toyota Corolla S. It's a pretty nice little car. Plenty of room to put the seat back if you like. Stylish interior and a pretty nice looking exterior. Not a whole lot of power, pretty typical trunk space, but great gas mileage.

I think it's a 1.7 liter engine, gets probably right about 30 in town and 35-38 on the highway.

By comparison, my '01 Mitsubishi Galant with a 3.0 liter V-6 gets about 22 in town and 26 on the highway.

And her car new was just at $17K. You could probably pick up an '07 with 10-15K for around $14K.

bogey
07-09-2008, 05:32 PM
Many great suggestions. Thanks!