PDA

View Full Version : Football Report: Weaver trying to sell Jaguars


Spott
07-09-2008, 10:01 PM
http://news.jacksonville.com/justin/2008/07/09/report-weaver-trying-to-sell-jaguars/

The Jaguars had no immediate comment Wednesday night on a Philadelphia Daily News report that team owner Wayne Weaver is negotiating to sell the team to billionaire C. Dean Metropoulos, who could move the team to Los Angeles.

Team spokesman Ryan Robinson said Weaver was traveling on Wednesday and wouldn’t be available until today.

Metropoulos, 61, the former chairman and chief executive officer of New Jersey-based Pinnacle Foods, denied the newspaper’s report.

“I must tell you I haven’t had any such discussions,” Metropoulos was quoted in the Daily News. “I wouldn’t know how to give you any credibility to that because I don’t know anything about it.”

The Daily News reported that discussions between Weaver and Metropoulos are being brokered by Sal Galatioto of the New York sports investment firm Galatioto Sports Partners. The newspaper reported that Metropoulos previously has tried to buy two other NFL franchises — the Oakland Raiders and the Miami Dolphins — but was unsuccessful.

Metropoulos, according to the report, is interested in a 100 percent purchase of the Jaguars immediately, though unnamed sources told the paper he would keep Weaver on for two years while he learns how to operate an NFL franchise. The sources told the newspaper that Metropoulos would bring in minority partners with him, and that the Jaguars would be a candidate to move to Los Angeles, which is seeking an NFL team.

Weaver has consistently denied any interest in selling in the team, though he acknowledged last year that has was looking for additional investors for the franchise.

The Jaguars, who joined the league in 1995, reached the second round of the AFC playoffs last season, but had three of their eight home games blacked out because they weren’t sold out. They’re consistently mentioned in media reports as a candidate to move to Los Angeles, but Weaver has consistently denied that the team is for sale.

ChiefsCountry
07-09-2008, 10:06 PM
Los Angeles Jaguars, I have called that for a while now. Chiefs might end up in the AFC South.

DaKCMan AP
07-09-2008, 10:16 PM
I'd buy 'em if someone would lend me the money. Anyone got some extra $$?

Pasta Giant Meatball
07-09-2008, 10:18 PM
How bout 3 fitty??

Pasta Giant Meatball
07-09-2008, 10:19 PM
Los Angeles Jaguars, I have called that for a while now. Chiefs might end up in the AFC South.

That would suck.

Deberg_1990
07-09-2008, 10:24 PM
Why dont the Jags sell out?? Too small a city?? I dont get it?

ChiefsCountry
07-09-2008, 10:25 PM
Why dont the Jags sell out?? Too small a city?? I dont get it?

Small city, college football dominated, big Dolphin town.

Der Flöprer
07-09-2008, 10:25 PM
Maybe someone will buy them and move them to Oklahoma City.

Deberg_1990
07-09-2008, 10:31 PM
Small city, college football dominated, big Dolphin town.


Hmmmm.....I think 3 NFL teams in Florida is probably a bit much. Nothing against Florida.

pikesome
07-09-2008, 10:31 PM
Maybe someone will buy them and move them to Oklahoma City.

Can they play in the Sprint Center?

DaKCMan AP
07-09-2008, 10:33 PM
Hmmmm.....I think 3 NFL teams in Florida is probably a bit much. Nothing against Florida.

But they want to put a 4th in California? :spock:

Der Flöprer
07-09-2008, 10:34 PM
But they want to put a 4th in California? :spock:

CA is much larger than Florida. Much larger.

DaKCMan AP
07-09-2008, 10:35 PM
CA is much larger than Florida. Much larger.

Sure, but Oakland doesn't sell out and neither did the LA Raiders. Hell, the Chargers don't always sell out.

Der Flöprer
07-09-2008, 10:38 PM
Sure, but Oakland doesn't sell out and neither did the LA Raiders. Hell, the Chargers don't always sell out.

Not gonna argue with that. I think they're both shitty football towns. It's not bias either. Denver fans are raucus.

Baconeater
07-09-2008, 10:41 PM
I never understood the Jax expansion to begin with, it never made sense. Oh, and there's still an unresolved issue about where they would play, from what I understand that's been the major hangup as far as moving a team to LA goes.

Deberg_1990
07-09-2008, 10:45 PM
But they want to put a 4th in California? :spock:

Ive never understood the LA lovefest that the NFL has (well, i do, but it doesnt make sense)

Everyone in SoCal is from somewhere else. Their loyalties lie elsewhere.

KCrockaholic
07-10-2008, 12:36 AM
it would suck if the Jags moved to LA, i love Jacksonville, and ive always liked the Jags ever since they were formed....Jacksonville just isnt big on its hometown team i guess, which is to bad. usually the smaller market teams have great fan bases. (ie: Kansas City, Green Bay)

Pablo
07-10-2008, 12:41 AM
I think NY would support a 3rd football team better than LA would support one.

Pablo
07-10-2008, 12:42 AM
Los Angeles Jaguars, I have called that for a while now. Chiefs might end up in the AFC South.Hell yeah! They could play the Colts twice a year...we always do so well against the Colts.

KCrockaholic
07-10-2008, 12:53 AM
Hell yeah! They could play the Colts twice a year...we always do so well against the Colts.

haha, yeah except in the playoffs....:mad:

ChiefsCountry
07-10-2008, 01:24 AM
I never understood the Jax expansion to begin with, it never made sense. Oh, and there's still an unresolved issue about where they would play, from what I understand that's been the major hangup as far as moving a team to LA goes.

IMO Jacksonville was a bargaining chip to help get new stadiums in other markets. If they would have given the team to St. Louis or Baltimore like they should have, you would havent had the new stadiums in Cleveland, Houston, and butt load of other cities. The NFL basically knew that no team would move to Jacksonville, those other cities they would and they did besides Memphis which ended up being Nashville's team instead.

Discuss Thrower
07-10-2008, 01:34 AM
I think NY would support a 3rd football team better than LA would support one.

What about Chicago taking a second team... Unless they've given up, using an NFL team as a reason to build a new facility (probably dome) to try and secure a bid for the Olympics..

DaneMcCloud
07-10-2008, 02:00 AM
I think NY would support a 3rd football team better than LA would support one.

Based on what?

Greasy Al coming to LA, then leaving after playing in a DMZ?

The LA Rams sold out at the Coliseum for 30 years before Frontiere moved the team to Anaheim after her husband's death. After battling the city, she bailed for St. Louis. It had nothing to do with fans or attendance.

It was a money grab.

chiefs1111
07-10-2008, 02:55 AM
I think they should move the Jags to Idaho, no one would ever see something like that coming... screw L.A...........

SBK
07-10-2008, 04:42 AM
The Broncos, Raiders and Chiefs will always be in the same division.

Skip Towne
07-10-2008, 06:30 AM
I'm having a hard time giving a shit about this.

blueballs
07-10-2008, 09:38 AM
a thought a leopard couldn't change it's spots

JBucc
07-10-2008, 09:40 AM
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/breaking/news-article.aspx?storyid=113418&catid=17


FAYETTEVILLE, AR -- Jaguars wide receiver Matt Jones has been arrested on cocaine charges in Arkansas.

The Washington County Sheriff's Office says officers arrested Jones and two other men as they sat in a Toyota 4Runner in an unlit parking lot in a known drug area.

The preliminary arrest report shows an officer saw Jones sitting in the back seat of the car with a white card with a white powdery substance on it, and a credit card in his other hand.

The officer said he opened the door and asked Jones to "put his hands where he could see them."

Authorities say Jones didn't comply right away and hid his left hand. The officer drew his gun and ordered Jones out of the vehicle. Jones got out and the officer put him in handcuffs.

A second officer placed the other two men under arrest. They're identified as Benjamin Cook, 26, and Jared Hicks, 25.

Jones is charged with felony possession of a controlled substance. Cook and Hicks face misdemeanor charges of possession of drug paraphernalia.

Jones is entering his 4th season with the Jaguars. He was the 21st overall pick in the 2005 NFL Draft.

Since making the transition from college quarterback to NFL wide receiver, Jones' career in Jacksonville has mostly been a disappointment.


------------------------------

Early word is he had 6 grams on him and the charges could be upped to intent to distribute.

OnTheWarpath58
07-10-2008, 09:46 AM
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/breaking/news-article.aspx?storyid=113418&catid=17


FAYETTEVILLE, AR -- Jaguars wide receiver Matt Jones has been arrested on cocaine charges in Arkansas.

The Washington County Sheriff's Office says officers arrested Jones and two other men as they sat in a Toyota 4Runner in an unlit parking lot in a known drug area.

The preliminary arrest report shows an officer saw Jones sitting in the back seat of the car with a white card with a white powdery substance on it, and a credit card in his other hand.

The officer said he opened the door and asked Jones to "put his hands where he could see them."

Authorities say Jones didn't comply right away and hid his left hand. The officer drew his gun and ordered Jones out of the vehicle. Jones got out and the officer put him in handcuffs.

A second officer placed the other two men under arrest. They're identified as Benjamin Cook, 26, and Jared Hicks, 25.

Jones is charged with felony possession of a controlled substance. Cook and Hicks face misdemeanor charges of possession of drug paraphernalia.

Jones is entering his 4th season with the Jaguars. He was the 21st overall pick in the 2005 NFL Draft.

Since making the transition from college quarterback to NFL wide receiver, Jones' career in Jacksonville has mostly been a disappointment.


------------------------------

Early word is he had 6 grams on him and the charges could be upped to intent to distribute.


Whoops.

StcChief
07-10-2008, 09:52 AM
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/breaking/news-article.aspx?storyid=113418&catid=17


FAYETTEVILLE, AR -- Jaguars wide receiver Matt Jones has been arrested on cocaine charges in Arkansas.

The Washington County Sheriff's Office says officers arrested Jones and two other men as they sat in a Toyota 4Runner in an unlit parking lot in a known drug area.

The preliminary arrest report shows an officer saw Jones sitting in the back seat of the car with a white card with a white powdery substance on it, and a credit card in his other hand.

The officer said he opened the door and asked Jones to "put his hands where he could see them."

Authorities say Jones didn't comply right away and hid his left hand. The officer drew his gun and ordered Jones out of the vehicle. Jones got out and the officer put him in handcuffs.

A second officer placed the other two men under arrest. They're identified as Benjamin Cook, 26, and Jared Hicks, 25.

Jones is charged with felony possession of a controlled substance. Cook and Hicks face misdemeanor charges of possession of drug paraphernalia.

Jones is entering his 4th season with the Jaguars. He was the 21st overall pick in the 2005 NFL Draft.

Since making the transition from college quarterback to NFL wide receiver, Jones' career in Jacksonville has mostly been a disappointment.


------------------------------

Early word is he had 6 grams on him and the charges could be upped to intent to distribute.I guess the players need a shorter off-season and somebody from team following them around. :rolleyes: Just Stupid

gblowfish
07-10-2008, 10:27 AM
Weird, they just had a superbowl not too long ago.

Better cities would be:

L.A.
Toronto (who might get the Bills anyway)
Portland

They wouldn't move to Oklahoma City. All those guys are Cowboys fans.

StcChief
07-10-2008, 10:31 AM
LA seems logical, NFL has a big Hardon for that media market and potential ad $$$.....

but would go/or watch on TV there? on Sunday afternoon when the desert/beach/mtns etc are full of weekend warriors.

RP_McMurphy
07-10-2008, 12:24 PM
LA repeat after me......doesn't want a NFL team. The Raiders and Rams couldn't get out of town quick enough. If the Jaguars would move they move back out within 10 years. LA is not a good football town.

Deberg_1990
07-10-2008, 12:28 PM
Weird, they just had a superbowl not too long ago.

Better cities would be:

L.A.
Toronto (who might get the Bills anyway)
Portland

They wouldn't move to Oklahoma City. All those guys are Cowboys fans.

San Antonio has been clamoring for a team for a long time. The have the population to support it but they have a few roadblocks as well.

1. Too close to Dallas and Houston. Huge Cowboy fanbase here.

2. They would need a new stadium or the Alamodoem would need serious upgrades.

StcChief
07-10-2008, 12:32 PM
LA repeat after me......doesn't want a NFL team. The Raiders and Rams couldn't get out of town quick enough. If the Jaguars would move they move back out within 10 years. LA is not a good football town.SD and LA should just "share" the Chargers they practically do now.

Jags should have been expanded in STL. as The Stallions. that has a donkey kinda sound..... donkeys

now owner see's no love/money in JV. Throw out Rams and move 'em here.

Chiefnj2
07-10-2008, 12:56 PM
I wouldn't blame him for selling the team, but Weaver is denying it:


In a brief but forceful interview with reporters from jaguars.com and “The Florida Times-Union” on Thursday, Jaguars owner Wayne Weaver delivered an emotional message to the team’s fans: “I’m not selling the team. The team is not moving to (Los Angeles),” Weaver said.

Weaver was reacting to a report in Wednesday’s “Philadelphia Daily News” that claimed Weaver was in the process of selling the Jaguars to New Jersey food king C. Dean Metropoulos. The report speculated that Metropoulos would move the team to Los Angeles.

What was the impetus to the story?

“I have no clue,” Weaver said, but he included the possibility that Metropoulos’ name may have surfaced as the result of the Jaguars’ intention a year-and-a-half ago to sell minority interest in the team for the purpose of paying down the team’s debt.

“I’m frustrated. People take things out of context,” Weaver said, his voice choked with emotion. “This team is not going to California. This team is the Jacksonville Jaguars. I don’t know how I can do anything more to reaffirm my commitment. I want our fans to get as excited as I am.

bowener
07-10-2008, 01:23 PM
I dont understand the LA thing either. If anything they should wait a year or two to see what happens with the chargers situation. Arent they wanting a new stadium and that supposedly isnt going to happen? Just move them to LA, then they can keep their fan base where it is (at least in the same state).

Las Vegas was second in the expansion team voting to LA too, I think. I think that would be one hell of a place to have a football team. The stadium would be absolutely crazy. If Caesars Palace owned the stadium they could rebuild circus maximus and seat 150,000 people. But I imagine gambling and drugs may become an issue... or not, I have no idea. I just kind of want a team to go there so they could possibly play in a giant pyramid or palace or hell, maybe a spaceship or something. Fan base would be an odd mix too. You would have permanent residences and then you would have that weeks high rollers in the box seating because they were given comp. tickets for spending 100K in the casino nearby.

DaneMcCloud
07-10-2008, 01:49 PM
I dont understand the LA thing either.

This has been detailed in the past on this forum but I'll briefly summarize:

1946: Cleveland Rams move to LA.
1980: After the death of her husband in 1979, Frontiere moves the Rams to Anaheim, even though they'd been successful in Los Angeles for over 35 years.
1994: Frontiere leaves Anaheim for St. Louis.

She was a money-grubbing whore. She didn't care about the fans, the sellouts, the players or team. The Rams leaving Los Angeles and Anaheim had nothing to do with the fans.

As far as the Raiders, Greasy Al is a bigger scumbag than Frontiere. The Raiders had huge fan support in LA and it's his fault that they didn't stay. He took $10 million dollars from the city of Irwindale as a deposit which he never returned. He's a scumbag but Raiders jerseys are seen everywhere in Los Angeles to this day.

Bottom line: There are several multi-billion dollar developers standing in line to build a billion dollar football stadium in Los Angeles. With the proper stadium location, it'll be sold-out forever. There's over 20 million people in the LA basin and the college teams (USC & UCLA) routintely sell out their stadiums.

Los Angeles just needs the right team, right owner and right stadium. If those things fall in line, it'll be extremely successful. And the television contract will be through the roof.

bogey
07-10-2008, 01:54 PM
Sure, but Oakland doesn't sell out and neither did the LA Raiders. Hell, the Chargers don't always sell out.

Nobody wants to go to Oakland. It's too dangerous.

ChiefsCountry
07-10-2008, 01:55 PM
This has been detailed in the past on this forum but I'll briefly summarize:

1946: Cleveland Rams move to LA.
1980: After the death of her husband in 1979, Frontiere moves the Rams to Anaheim, even though they'd been successful in Los Angeles for over 35 years.
1994: Frontiere leaves Anaheim for St. Louis.

She was a money-grubbing whore. She didn't care about the fans, the sellouts, the players or team. The Rams leaving Los Angeles and Anaheim had nothing to do with the fans.

As far as the Raiders, Greasy Al is a bigger scumbag than Frontiere. The Raiders had huge fan support in LA and it's his fault that they didn't stay. He took $10 million dollars from the city of Irwindale as a deposit which he never returned. He's a scumbag but Raiders jerseys are seen everywhere in Los Angeles to this day.

Bottom line: There are several multi-billion dollar developers standing in line to build a billion dollar football stadium in Los Angeles. With the proper stadium location, it'll be sold-out forever. There's over 20 million people in the LA basin and the college teams (USC & UCLA) routintely sell out their stadiums.

Los Angeles just needs the right team, right owner and right stadium. If those things fall in line, it'll be extremely successful. And the television contract will be through the roof.

Thank you, LA will support a team just fine. The stadium is the only problem.

DaneMcCloud
07-10-2008, 01:58 PM
Sure, but Oakland doesn't sell out and neither did the LA Raiders. Hell, the Chargers don't always sell out.

The LA Raiders didn't sell out for two reasons:

1. The stadium at that time was surrounded by a dangerous urban area. Since that time, there has been more than $20 billion dollars invested in Downtown Los Angeles (a figure that will double in the next 10 years).

2. Since the Coliseum seats 100,000 people, that's a lot of tickets to sell on a weekly basis. I think at some point that was re-designated to 65,000 but that after Greasy Al began putting a sub-standard team on the field. That, combined with a dangerous area was enough to stay away.

Valiant
07-10-2008, 02:30 PM
LA seems logical, NFL has a big Hardon for that media market and potential ad $$$.....

but would go/or watch on TV there? on Sunday afternoon when the desert/beach/mtns etc are full of weekend warriors.

How many failures in the LA market will it take to convince them to quit wasting money there???

There is a reason why teams keep leaving there.. People have other stuff to do or root for other teams..

Hell if they are smart they put the team in Las Vegas, New York or Chicago.. Those areas could support the team..

DaneMcCloud
07-10-2008, 02:36 PM
How many failures in the LA market will it take to convince them to quit wasting money there???

There is a reason why teams keep leaving there.. People have other stuff to do or root for other teams..

Hell if they are smart they put the team in Las Vegas, New York or Chicago.. Those areas could support the team..

Way to read the thread :shake:

Are you saying that the LA area doesn't support the Dodgers, Angels, Kings, Ducks, Clippers, Lakers or USC & UCLA football?

Because if that's what you're implying, you're dead wrong.

And you're completely incorrect as to the reasons why the Rams & Raiders (who were only in LA briefly to begin with) left.

Valiant
07-10-2008, 02:38 PM
This has been detailed in the past on this forum but I'll briefly summarize:

1946: Cleveland Rams move to LA.
1980: After the death of her husband in 1979, Frontiere moves the Rams to Anaheim, even though they'd been successful in Los Angeles for over 35 years.
1994: Frontiere leaves Anaheim for St. Louis.

She was a money-grubbing whore. She didn't care about the fans, the sellouts, the players or team. The Rams leaving Los Angeles and Anaheim had nothing to do with the fans.

As far as the Raiders, Greasy Al is a bigger scumbag than Frontiere. The Raiders had huge fan support in LA and it's his fault that they didn't stay. He took $10 million dollars from the city of Irwindale as a deposit which he never returned. He's a scumbag but Raiders jerseys are seen everywhere in Los Angeles to this day.

Bottom line: There are several multi-billion dollar developers standing in line to build a billion dollar football stadium in Los Angeles. With the proper stadium location, it'll be sold-out forever. There's over 20 million people in the LA basin and the college teams (USC & UCLA) routintely sell out their stadiums.

Los Angeles just needs the right team, right owner and right stadium. If those things fall in line, it'll be extremely successful. And the television contract will be through the roof.

So you need the right team, right owner and right stadium for success?? I think that is anywhere if we are cherry picking.. Most of LA is transplants??? Most root for other teams??

If you get the team and they fail for 5-7 years how will the LA market treat it?? Wouldn't they just go do other things?? I mean hypothetically we look at having money crunch right now with oil/jobs/housing and then add to the fact that you have people spending money on USC/UCLA or driving to the other NFL teams in the state and how many of those will just be able to fork over extra money for season tickets for the Jags??

Las Vegas would seem like a better choice to me... Comping tickets from the Casino to sell the stadium out would ensure it not being blocked out.. And you still would get the California transplants every game that drive to LV anyway..

Valiant
07-10-2008, 02:42 PM
Way to read the thread :shake:

Are you saying that the LA area doesn't support the Dodgers, Angels, Kings, Ducks, Clippers, Lakers or USC & UCLA football?

Because if that's what you're implying, you're dead wrong.

And you're completely incorrect as to the reasons why the Rams & Raiders (who were only in LA briefly to begin with) left.

Besides college football and the Lakers how much do the other teams sell out??? Even if by your definition the Raiders and Rams left on other terms, the sheer fact of having so many people going to the games should have kept them there??? And I also said that people go to other events already..

You are saying that you have the people to support it, but yet those teams could not get fans??? Then you say that LA has to have the perfect owner, stadium and winning team to get fans to come???

Which is it??? Does it take a perfect team/owner setup and 20 million people to sell out a stadium to get a team??

Redrum_69
07-10-2008, 02:46 PM
they should move to vegas and change the name to "Las Vegas Gamblers"

DaneMcCloud
07-10-2008, 03:18 PM
Las Vegas would seem like a better choice to me... Comping tickets from the Casino to sell the stadium out would ensure it not being blocked out.. And you still would get the California transplants every game that drive to LV anyway..

First off, the NFL doesn't want to be in Vegas. Either does any other major sports franchise (NFL, NBA, MLB or NHL). Wealthy athletes and Vegas nightlife is a recipe for disaster.

So you need the right team, right owner and right stadium for success?? I think that is anywhere if we are cherry picking.. Most of LA is transplants??? Most root for other teams??

Most of LA are not "transplants". Are you implying that 15 million out of the 20 million that live in this basin are from elsewhere? If that's what you think, you're very uninformed.

And the right team, right owner and right stadium? Absolutely. I think that goes for any city that's either moving a team or is a start up franchise. An owner like Bill Bidwell will not succeed in Los Angeles. Jerry Jones? Absolutely. Eddie DeBartolo? No question.

As far as the stadium, Los Angeles has its own issues with traffic to deal with. A five mile drive can take an hour. If the stadium isn't located in the perfect area, people won't attend. Would you drive 2 hours to watch the Chiefs every Sunday? I realize that many people do just that but that won't fly in Los Angeles. Los Angeles needs a state-of-the-art stadium that's convenient for fans. Again, that could be said for anywhere.

If you get the team and they fail for 5-7 years how will the LA market treat it?? Wouldn't they just go do other things?? I mean hypothetically we look at having money crunch right now with oil/jobs/housing and then add to the fact that you have people spending money on USC/UCLA or driving to the other NFL teams in the state and how many of those will just be able to fork over extra money for season tickets for the Jags??

In today's NFL, it would be very unlikely that a team would "fail" for 5-7 years, so that's a moot point. As far as money, the wealth in Los Angeles county alone is absolutely staggering. There are over 250,000 millionaires (that means people earning more than $1,000,000 per year, not net worth) and millions more who make in excess of 500k per year. The money is here. The studios are here and will most certainly (like they do with the Lakers, Kings and Dodgers) own plenty of luxury boxes and seats. There are also so many companies who are headquartered in Los Angeles that will own seats and boxes.

Filling a 65,000 seat stadium will not be the issue.

DaneMcCloud
07-10-2008, 03:30 PM
Besides college football and the Lakers how much do the other teams sell out??? Even if by your definition the Raiders and Rams left on other terms, the sheer fact of having so many people going to the games should have kept them there??? And I also said that people go to other events already..

I've already stated why the Raiders had issues (100k seating, poor neighborhood) but the Rams left because Frontiere wanted to leave. She didn't try to stay in Anaheim (she shouldn't have moved the team to begin with). The Dodgers and Angels consistently sell out. I'm an owner with a group of guys for Dodgers season tickets and I've yet to go to a game with the paid attendance of less than 45,000 per game. Most of the time, it's closer to 52-53k. Same goes of the Angels. The Clippers even have major fan support, now that they've been playing at the Staples Center. Same goes for the Kings and Ducks.

You are saying that you have the people to support it, but yet those teams could not get fans??? Then you say that LA has to have the perfect owner, stadium and winning team to get fans to come???

No one said that the Raiders and Rams didn't have fans. It was all about the money grabs for the owners. The Chiefs didn't have fan support throughout the 80's but they stayed in Kansas City. The Rams and Raiders had far more than 30,000 people attend their games (especially in the 80's for both teams, when the Rams were consistently in the NFC Championship Game and the Raiders won Super Bowls). Additionally, the NFL is far more popular than even a decade ago. The television rights contracts prove that.

Valiant
07-10-2008, 03:33 PM
First off, the NFL doesn't want to be in Vegas. Either does any other major sports franchise (NFL, NBA, MLB or NHL). Wealthy athletes and Vegas nightlife is a recipe for disaster.



Most of LA are not "transplants". Are you implying that 15 million out of the 20 million that live in this basin are from elsewhere? If that's what you think, you're very uninformed.

And the right team, right owner and right stadium? Absolutely. I think that goes for any city that's either moving a team or is a start up franchise. An owner like Bill Bidwell will not succeed in Los Angeles. Jerry Jones? Absolutely. Eddie DeBartolo? No question.

As far as the stadium, Los Angeles has its own issues with traffic to deal with. A five mile drive can take an hour. If the stadium isn't located in the perfect area, people won't attend. Would you drive 2 hours to watch the Chiefs every Sunday? I realize that many people do just that but that won't fly in Los Angeles. Los Angeles needs a state-of-the-art stadium that's convenient for fans. Again, that could be said for anywhere.



In today's NFL, it would be very unlikely that a team would "fail" for 5-7 years, so that's a moot point. As far as money, the wealth in Los Angeles county alone is absolutely staggering. There are over 250,000 millionaires (that means people earning more than $1,000,000 per year, not net worth) and millions more who make in excess of 500k per year. The money is here. The studios are here and will most certainly (like they do with the Lakers, Kings and Dodgers) own plenty of luxury boxes and seats. There are also so many companies who are headquartered in Los Angeles that will own seats and boxes.

Filling a 65,000 seat stadium will not be the issue.



But yet despite all of those millionaires with disposable money you could not keep two NFL franchises already??? The sheer amount of money you have there by your definition should have kept the teams going..

As for failing franchises that do not last 5+ years?? Raiders, Buffalo have problems filling stadiums with teams that have been on a downswing.. Imagine a LA crowd that gets a team that does not do too well its first two years.. TV revenue will not matter much if it is blacked out..

As for Las Vegas and gambling.. Most players are there every day they do not work anyway.. Vegas will get a pro team soon, they have been trying to become more family oriented and a pro team will help draw in people outside of gambling..

StcChief
07-10-2008, 03:36 PM
LA/SD Chargers....

Jags to Vegas sounds like plan.

DaneMcCloud
07-10-2008, 03:40 PM
But yet despite all of those millionaires with disposable money you could not keep two NFL franchises already??? The sheer amount of money you have there by your definition should have kept the teams going..

This is not 1994. If you can't see that, then this discussion is over.

As for failing franchises that do not last 5+ years?? Raiders, Buffalo have problems filling stadiums with teams that have been on a downswing.. Imagine a LA crowd that gets a team that does not do too well its first two years.. TV revenue will not matter much if it is blacked out..

Oakland has made it's own mess. As for Buffalo, it appears that the NFL has priced its way out of that city.

As for Las Vegas and gambling.. Most players are there every day they do not work anyway.. Vegas will get a pro team soon, they have been trying to become more family oriented and a pro team will help draw in people outside of gambling..

What do you know about Las Vegas, other than the strip? Do you know that Las Vegas is dying? The economy is dying. Airlines are canceling flights. Property values have dropped by as much as 50%. Most of the people that live in Vegas work in the service industry and even if the state of Nevada and the city of Las Vegas could build a $1 billion dollar stadium to attract an NFL, I seriously doubt that the citizens could afford the tickets.

DaneMcCloud
07-10-2008, 03:40 PM
LA/SD Chargers....

Jags to Vegas sounds like plan.

Never gonna happen.

I think that the Rams back to Los Angeles and the Jags to St. Louis if a far more realistic plan.

StcChief
07-10-2008, 03:46 PM
Never gonna happen.

I think that the Rams back to Los Angeles and the Jags to St. Louis if a far more realistic plan.
I actually like that ALOT. we would get the team from the expansion draft.
Jags would still be a hand me down, but a better org/team IMO.

DaneMcCloud
07-10-2008, 03:54 PM
I actually like that ALOT. we would get the team from the expansion draft.
Jags would still be a hand me down, but a better org/team IMO.

The Jags should have originally gone to St. Louis. I know that was the idea but I can't remember the exact hold up.

Deberg_1990
07-10-2008, 04:03 PM
L.A. already has a Pro Team.

They are called the USC Trojans.

DaneMcCloud
07-10-2008, 04:07 PM
I actually like that ALOT. we would get the team from the expansion draft.
Jags would still be a hand me down, but a better org/team IMO.

And no one would have to move divisions.

St. Louis Jags: AFC South

Los Angeles Rams: NFC West.

Of course, it makes too much sense so it'll probably never happen.

bogey
07-10-2008, 04:28 PM
This is not 1994. If you can't see that, then this discussion is over.



Oakland has made it's own mess. As for Buffalo, it appears that the NFL has priced its way out of that city.



What do you know about Las Vegas, other than the strip? Do you know that Las Vegas is dying? The economy is dying. Airlines are canceling flights. Property values have dropped by as much as 50%. Most of the people that live in Vegas work in the service industry and even if the state of Nevada and the city of Las Vegas could build a $1 billion dollar stadium to attract an NFL, I seriously doubt that the citizens could afford the tickets.

I agree with most everything you've said. But come on, Vegas is not dying. It's being hit by the recession just like the rest of the nation. It's taking a hit, but it's not dying. That's just silly.

DaneMcCloud
07-10-2008, 04:31 PM
I agree with most everything you've said. But come on, Vegas is not dying. It's being hit by the recession just like the rest of the nation. It's taking a hit, but it's not dying. That's just silly.

My best friend lives in Vegas and I just spoke to him about this yesterday.

He says the economy is just awful. His home value went from a peak of $410k in 2006 to $205k just this month. People are out of work and airlines are limiting the flights into Vegas.

Furthermore, there are condos that are half built. Harrah's is considering bankruptcy.

I didn't say it was dead and buried but it's certainly not the boomtown it was in 2005 and I don't think there's any way it could support an NFL team.

Deberg_1990
07-10-2008, 04:48 PM
My best friend lives in Vegas and I just spoke to him about this yesterday.

He says the economy is just awful. His home value went from a peak of $410k in 2006 to $205k just this month. People are out of work and airlines are limiting the flights into Vegas.

Furthermore, there are condos that are half built. Harrah's is considering bankruptcy.

I didn't say it was dead and buried but it's certainly not the boomtown it was in 2005 and I don't think there's any way it could support an NFL team.


Entertainment $$$ is the most obvious money to cut out of ones budget during hard times.

Im sure all aspects of the entertainment industry are hurting right now Dane.

bogey
07-10-2008, 04:54 PM
My best friend lives in Vegas and I just spoke to him about this yesterday.

He says the economy is just awful. His home value went from a peak of $410k in 2006 to $205k just this month. People are out of work and airlines are limiting the flights into Vegas.

Furthermore, there are condos that are half built. Harrah's is considering bankruptcy.

I didn't say it was dead and buried but it's certainly not the boomtown it was in 2005 and I don't think there's any way it could support an NFL team.

Vegas has more money than God. What your friend is describing is happening all over the nation. Unfortunately for your friend, Vegas was at the TOP of the boom in 2006. Now it's down, (50% seems extreme, but I'll take your word for it) eventually it will go back up. However, MILLIONS of $ a DAY are spent in Vegas, even in this difficult time. Vegas is a long week-end destination for us LA folks. It's considered short travel. They have plenty of money to support an NFL team and they have plenty of people willing to spend that money if the opportunity arises. That being said, I want a ****ing NFL team in LA!

bogey
07-10-2008, 04:56 PM
Entertainment $$$ is the most obvious money to cut out of ones budget during hard times.

Im sure all aspects of the entertainment industry are hurting right now Dane.

No disrespect, but I totally disagree. If they can get to the entertainment, they'll pay for it.

cdcox
07-10-2008, 05:00 PM
Has anyone considered if LA would support a team?

cardken
07-10-2008, 05:13 PM
they should move to vegas and change the name to "Las Vegas Gamblers"

The Las Vegas ACES, would never happen , Hell NFL would'nt even let the Vegas.com people advertise during the Super Bowl in fear of being linked with gambling. Biggest rouse in the NFL is that they are'nt in bed with Gambling, not nessesarly "fixing" but the built in marketing of it all. First of all at the very least the "home team" would have to removed from the "boards" in the Casinos, like the UNLV teams are'nt on the boards now. Do you think the Casinos would take even one game off their boards, you're crazy. I lived there I understand how it all works. The Mayor of Las Vegas has been trying for years to lure a team, any sports franchise there, to no avail. Hell, the Maloofs who own the Sacromento Kings have'nt even moved there, and they own the Palms Casino in Vegas, and in need of a stadium. Las Vegas is essentially Los Angeles East, huge Raiders base there, and just like L.A. everybody there is from somewhere else, like someone else said in this thread their loyalties lay somewhere else. Besides the weather is god awful, and the city has to interest in football outside of gambling, the Arena2 team left last year due to lack of interest. The middle schools there don't even have football programs, but plenty of Soccer, i'll let you figure out how that all plays out in the lack of interset in Football there, Football Americanos?

Deberg_1990
07-10-2008, 05:16 PM
The NBA All Star Weekend Shenanigans a few years ago pretty much put the final nail in the coffin of whatever chance Vegas had of landing a Pro Sports franchise.

cardken
07-10-2008, 05:21 PM
I agree with most everything you've said. But come on, Vegas is not dying. It's being hit by the recession just like the rest of the nation. It's taking a hit, but it's not dying. That's just silly.
He's not lying Vegas is hurting bad, jobs are being cut at Casino after Casino. New ones are being built but most of all Gambling revenue is from Overseas visitors, and we all now how well the NFL Europe did? Anyways, locals there can't afford $80plus game tickets they did'nt go to the Arena 2 games and they practically gave those away. The housing market is the worst in the nation 1 in 200 houses are in foreclosure. It's bad, that's why I left, saw it first hand.:thumb:

cardken
07-10-2008, 05:23 PM
The NBA All Star Weekend Shenanigans a few years ago pretty much put the final nail in the coffin of whatever chance Vegas had of landing a Pro Sports franchise.

Here Here:doh!:

88TG88
07-10-2008, 05:29 PM
Has anyone considered if LA would support a team?

not the Jaguars

Mojo Rising
07-10-2008, 09:22 PM
Most of LA are not "transplants". Are you implying that 15 million out of the 20 million that live in this basin are from elsewhere? If that's what you think, you're very uninformed.

And the right team, right owner and right stadium? Absolutely. I think that goes for any city that's either moving a team or is a start up franchise. An owner like Bill Bidwell will not succeed in Los Angeles. Jerry Jones? Absolutely. Eddie DeBartolo? No question.

As far as the stadium, Los Angeles has its own issues with traffic to deal with. A five mile drive can take an hour. If the stadium isn't located in the perfect area, people won't attend. Would you drive 2 hours to watch the Chiefs every Sunday? I realize that many people do just that but that won't fly in Los Angeles. Los Angeles needs a state-of-the-art stadium that's convenient for fans. Again, that could be said for anywhere.



In today's NFL, it would be very unlikely that a team would "fail" for 5-7 years, so that's a moot point. As far as money, the wealth in Los Angeles county alone is absolutely staggering. There are over 250,000 millionaires (that means people earning more than $1,000,000 per year, not net worth) and millions more who make in excess of 500k per year. The money is here. The studios are here and will most certainly (like they do with the Lakers, Kings and Dodgers) own plenty of luxury boxes and seats. There are also so many companies who are headquartered in Los Angeles that will own seats and boxes.

Filling a 65,000 seat stadium will not be the issue.

I agree. There have been rumors of Eddie D buying a new team for LA. The question would be how effective he would be in the salary cap era. I think he would succeed and the LA Jags under Eddie D would prosper.

I don't know much about the guy they referenced who would buy them. Weaver came out this afternoon and said the TV is not for sale.

DaneMcCloud
07-10-2008, 09:35 PM
I agree. There have been rumors of Eddie D buying a new team for LA. The question would be how effective he would be in the salary cap era. I think he would succeed and the LA Jags under Eddie D would prosper.

I don't know much about the guy they referenced who would buy them. Weaver came out this afternoon and said the TV is not for sale.

I just hope that if the NFL moves an existing team to Los Angeles, that the new team is renamed for Los Angeles. (unless it's the Rams).

It's time for Los Angeles to have its own team.

Skip Towne
07-10-2008, 09:55 PM
I just hope that if the NFL moves an existing team to Los Angeles, that the new team is renamed for Los Angeles. (unless it's the Rams).

It's time for Los Angeles to have its own team.

Los Angeles Lizards?

DaneMcCloud
07-10-2008, 10:15 PM
Los Angeles Lizards?

Los Angeles Lounge Lizards