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Tribal Warfare
07-13-2008, 12:54 AM
http://www.kansascity.com/sports/football/story/702886.html



Packers should welcome back Favre with open arms

Brett “Kobe Bryant” Favre has wanted out of Green Bay for at least three years. And the Packers have wanted to cut ties with their moody and emotional superstar for the same length of time.

Fortunately for football fans, the Packers and Favre are stuck with each other. When things settle down from this latest dustup — Favre, who retired in March, requested his unconditional release on Friday, and the Packers said on Saturday that he’s welcome to return as a backup — I expect Favre to be quarterbacking the Packers in September.

Favre’s roller-coaster relationship with the NFL’s most celebrated franchise has been ignored by America’s football media because the majority of the league’s broadcasters, writers and reporters are unapologetic Favre groupies. It’s not just John Madden.

The reality is Kobe Bryant’s relationship with the Los Angeles Lakers is ideal in comparison to Favre’s Green Bay connection.

If you look at the undisciplined, high-interception play that marked the latter half of Favre’s Green Bay career, I contend it can be directly attributed to two things: 1. Favre’s frustration with what he believed was a weak supporting cast; 2. Favre’s unhappiness with being trapped on a franchise he believed was satisfied selling tickets and memorabilia thanks to a superstar quarterback rather than a Super Bowl-caliber team.

Sans a Denver rape allegation, there is no difference between Favre and Bryant. They throw offseason tantrums. They complain about management’s unwillingness to make big trades or sign big-name free agents. They inappropriately comment on their teammates’ situations (Javon Walker and Shaquille O’Neal). They whine that they’d prefer to play somewhere else. And they pout on the field and court.

Oh, did I mention that when they’re happy and content, they’re an absolute joy to watch and two of the greatest of all time? Also, much of what they say is totally accurate, and their complaints are completely legitimate.

The two are portrayed differently by the media for three reasons: 1. Kobe caught a case; 2. Kobe lost a public-relations battle to an even bigger superstar (Shaq); 3. There is no Charles Barkley of football broadcasting, an irreverent, outspoken, respected TV analyst willing to call out Favre for his petulance.

But you’ll never convince me there is any tangible difference between Brett and Kobe.

Favre has been angry at the Packers ever since the franchise didn’t go after Randy Moss when he left Minnesota for Oakland. A year ago, when Moss left Oakland for New England, Favre turned irate at his organization. When Moss turned the Patriots into the greatest offense in the history of the league and an undefeated team, Favre’s bitterness turned toxic.

Favre and Moss share the same agent, Bus Cook. Favre believed that Moss would’ve signed with the Packers over the Patriots and that all those records Tom Brady set last season would’ve been set by 38-year-old Brett Favre.

I’m sure Favre believes that Randy Moss would’ve catapulted the Packers into last year’s Super Bowl and prolonged Favre’s career by three seasons. With Randy Moss, Favre might have established himself as the greatest QB in league history.

Favre is right. And the Packers are tired of hearing “I told you so” from their legendary QB.

That’s the only explanation I can think of for the Packers’ reluctance to welcome Favre back with a parade. If Brett Favre wants to play football, you tell Aaron Rodgers to shut up and wait one, two or three more years.

Fruit Ninja
07-13-2008, 01:33 AM
I could be considered a Favre groupie, i love to watch him play, but Whit nailed this one.

Count Alex's Losses
07-13-2008, 01:38 AM
He had to bring race into it.

Weak angle.

Thig Lyfe
07-13-2008, 01:46 AM
Okay, but what does this have to do with rap?

BigRedChief
07-13-2008, 01:49 AM
From the DUH! obvious kind of opinion BS. Come on Whit you can do better.

BigRock
07-13-2008, 01:56 AM
He had to bring race into it.

Where did he do that?

Subterranean Alien
07-13-2008, 08:30 AM
He had to bring race into it.

Weak angle.

I didn't read anything about race in that post.

StcChief
07-13-2008, 08:52 AM
well. Bret is a great QB, needs to ride into the sunset. After all the records , SB etc.
1st ballot HOFer well I don't see him playing in GB they need to move on now.
released?

It's time of the year to be getting ready to play FB It's in his blood, just get past it. Bret

TEX
07-13-2008, 11:23 AM
Wonder if the Vikes would like to have Farve? :hmmm:

Bottom line is that Farve is still a top 5 QB and will give any team that's considered "close", a real chance to win it all. The Packers better be careful here...

Pasta Giant Meatball
07-13-2008, 11:32 AM
Wonder if the Vikes would like to have Farve? :hmmm:

Bottom line is that Farve is still a top 5 QB and will give any team that's considered "close", a real chance to win it all. The Packers better be careful here...

Absolutely, that is why the packers will not flat out release him and will likely only deal him to an AFC team that they do not consider a threat. That is one big reason why the packer reporter mentioned the Chiefs as a possible destination.

TEX
07-13-2008, 12:29 PM
Absolutely, that is why the packers will not flat out release him and will likely only deal him to an AFC team that they do not consider a threat. That is one big reason why the packer reporter mentioned the Chiefs as a possible destination.

Yep. If I'm the Packers and Farve does come out of retirement, that's the only way he doesn't play for me.

IMO, if Joe Montana had as much game left when KC signed him as Farve has now, the Chiefs would have a Super Bowl to show for that trade.

the Talking Can
07-13-2008, 01:12 PM
yes, except for rape, they're identical......


uh?

blueballs
07-13-2008, 01:28 PM
I can't imagine any Chief acting like this
and not getting scalded in the press and by fans on game day

Frazod
07-13-2008, 01:33 PM
IMO, if Joe Montana had as much game left when KC signed him as Farve has now, the Chiefs would have a Super Bowl to show for that trade.

It wasn't Joe's fault our receivers sucked ass.

Bowser
07-13-2008, 02:41 PM
It wasn't Joe's fault our receivers sucked ass.

Or that Marty didn't play Derrick Thomas against the Bills in the AFC Championship game in favor of Pellom McDaniels. JFC

TEX
07-13-2008, 04:01 PM
It wasn't Joe's fault our receivers sucked ass.


Agreed. My point was that Farve now has more than Joe did back then. I wasn't blaming Joe for anything. Shoot, I think it was mostly because of him that we got as far as we did in '93.

Deberg_1990
07-13-2008, 04:02 PM
ah....i think i get it..

Brett Favre is the white Kobe Bryant!

StcChief
07-13-2008, 04:10 PM
ah....i think i get it..

Brett Favre is the white Kobe Bryant!now just get him a hot black honey....

so he can completely measure up.

vailpass
07-13-2008, 04:16 PM
Kobe=Favre?

Sure. If you put aside the fact that Kobe was banging a hotel employee that led to a rape allegation at about the same time Favre was at his wife's side while she was battling cancer, the throwing your teammates under the bus by claiming they all have extramarital women, the fact that 95% of America hates Kobe and an equal percentage love Favre, the fact that Favre is a man's man and Kobe is a punk, etc. etc. etc.
Yeah, they are pretty much the same.

Demonpenz
07-13-2008, 04:21 PM
rape...it's no big deal

Bwana
07-13-2008, 04:38 PM
Another read on the Favre ordeal:

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/8341300/Rally-held-to-pressure-Packers-to-reinstate-Favre?MSNHPHMA

***SPRAYER
07-13-2008, 05:54 PM
Favre throws way too many INT's for Hermy's tastes.

Kerberos
07-13-2008, 06:42 PM
Favre throws way too many INT's for Hermy's tastes.


He just throws to much PERIOD for Hermies taste. INT's are just a byproduct.

KCinNY
07-13-2008, 06:48 PM
Or that Marty didn't play Derrick Thomas against the Bills in the AFC Championship game in favor of Pellom McDaniels. JFC

IIRC, Derrick was getting pancaked 8 yards downfield by the same counter-trey running play over and over again. That's why Marty yanked him.

Bowser
07-13-2008, 06:52 PM
IIRC, Derrick was getting pancaked 8 yards downfield by the same counter-trey running play over and over again. That's why Marty yanked him.

Did he even start in that game? The way I remember it, McDaniels started and played the majority of it, because Marty was afraid of the POSSIBILITY of DT getting caught up in the Bills' run-action game. I remember seeing shots of a pissed of DT on the sidelines, and listening to Enberg and Trumpy make comments of how they couldn't believe Derrick wasn't in the game, especially after the game he had against Houston the week before.

Tribal Warfare
07-13-2008, 06:58 PM
Another read on the Favre ordeal:

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/8341300/Rally-held-to-pressure-Packers-to-reinstate-Favre?MSNHPHMA




Good, they should feel the heat

KCinNY
07-13-2008, 07:01 PM
Did he even start in that game? The way I remember it, McDaniels started and played the majority of it, because Marty was afraid of the POSSIBILITY of DT getting caught up in the Bills' run-action game. I remember seeing shots of a pissed of DT on the sidelines, and listening to Enberg and Trumpy make comments of how they couldn't believe Derrick wasn't in the game, especially after the game he had against Houston the week before.

I think he did start--back in those days he was a full time DE and played every snap with a hand on the ground.

It was 15 years ago, however and I don't recall for sure. Just like you though, I remember him looking extremely pissed on the sideline when Thurman Thomas was gashing us for around 8 yards per carry.

DTLB58
07-13-2008, 07:01 PM
Well, For one, I don't recall Favre "pouting on the field".

2. McCarthy tried talking Brett into returning in March before the coach knew he would have to start OTA's and tinker with the offense to liken it towards Aaron Rodgers strengths and Brett said no, this (retirement) is the right thing for me and the team at this time.

So IMO Farve should just stay retired. It's not fair to the team,coaches and especially Rodgers for Favre to come back at this point.

If I am Rodgers and Favre comes back I ask for immediate trade (which maybe they would do since they drafted a QB this past spring) or release.
How many years can the Packers expect Rodgers to go through this crap?

Bowser
07-13-2008, 07:02 PM
Well, For one, I don't recall Favre "pouting on the field".

2. McCarthy tried talking Brett into returning in March before the coach knew he would have to start OTA's and tinker with the offense to liken it towards Aaron Rodgers strengths and Brett said no, this (retirement) is the right thing for me and the team at this time.

So IMO Farve should just stay retired. It's not fair to the team,coaches and especially Rodgers for Favre to come back at this point.

If I am Rodgers and Favre comes back I ask for immediate trade (which maybe they would do since they drafted a QB this past spring) or release.
How many years can the Packers expect Rodgers to go through this crap?

Agreed. IIRC, the Pack took another QB later in the draft.

Mojo Rising
07-13-2008, 09:41 PM
The Packers are playing poker with the anouncement that Favre can comeback as a back-up. That would be worse for Rodgers' (who isn't that good) development.

It would be bad enough to have the pressure of replacing an icon. Try having the icon on the bench and everyone wants you to fail so the icon comes off the bench.

The Packers are trying to have their cake and eat it to.

If they want to move on then do it and release him. If they think Favre can't win the SB then let him go to Minnesota. If they think he can then start him.