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Phobia
07-13-2008, 09:09 PM
Let me preface all I'm about to say with the fact that I am very fond of Logical. I consider him a friend. He's always been a friend to this website and to any of its charitable efforts as well. I also acknowledge that I have zero authority on this site.

However, I have a real problem with somebody having the ability to delete a thread simply because they didn't like the way it turned out.

According to what I read on Jim's poll (which has since been deleted by him) he used multiple ID's to affect the results. Guntherfan was ostracized for doing that for years.

I don't care how the poll turned out or what the terms of the wager were. I really don't. I enjoyed flipping Jim crap about being a liberal in my posts but I just don't care about that.

What I do find objectionable is his ability to whack his entire threads when it began to turn south on him.

I think the following should take place:
1. The ability to delete threads should be revoked for any thread over an hour old.
2. The threads/polls Jim deleted should be restored.

mikeyis4dcats.
07-13-2008, 09:10 PM
what thread was this?

rad
07-13-2008, 09:11 PM
I agree.

|Zach|
07-13-2008, 09:11 PM
Yea I was surprised to see those huge grey lines going across. Didn't even think you could do that.

Not good for the board.

Bill Parcells
07-13-2008, 09:12 PM
Only a mod should be able to delete a thread. how did he do that?

He means well, but he's way too sensitive sometimes. I think we have to get him laid or something.

rad
07-13-2008, 09:12 PM
what thread was this?

Some poll about him being a liberal or conservative (what we thought he was)

alanm
07-13-2008, 09:12 PM
Don't know. I was in Omaha this weekend. :shrug:

rad
07-13-2008, 09:14 PM
I thought he was a mod....How do you get to the page that tells you who all the mods/admins are?

morphius
07-13-2008, 09:14 PM
I'm a bit confused about it as well, and am not even remotely a fan of the idea. I think it must be something that supporters are allowed to do, but I'm gonna have to talk to the boss on this one.

milkman
07-13-2008, 09:14 PM
Did I do that?

morphius
07-13-2008, 09:15 PM
I thought he was a mod....How do you get to the page that tells you who all the mods/admins are?
He is no longer a mod, hasn't been for a long time.

Bill Parcells
07-13-2008, 09:15 PM
I thought he was a mod....How do you get to the page that tells you who all the mods/admins are?

That's broken too

rad
07-13-2008, 09:18 PM
That's broken too

"too"?

What else is broken here?

I tell ya, this place has been gargling balls since that monkeylookforfood guy left....

Bill Parcells
07-13-2008, 09:19 PM
"too"?

What else is broken here?

I tell ya, this place has been gargling balls since that monkeylookforfood guy left....

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showgroups.php

Logical
07-13-2008, 09:20 PM
Let me preface all I'm about to say with the fact that I am very fond of Logical. I consider him a friend. He's always been a friend to this website and to any of its charitable efforts as well. I also acknowledge that I have zero authority on this site.

However, I have a real problem with somebody having the ability to delete a thread simply because they didn't like the way it turned out.

According to what I read on Jim's poll (which has since been deleted by him) he used multiple ID's to affect the results. Guntherfan was ostracized for doing that for years.

I don't care how the poll turned out or what the terms of the wager were. I really don't. I enjoyed flipping Jim crap about being a liberal in my posts but I just don't care about that.

What I do find objectionable is his ability to whack his entire threads when it began to turn south on him.

I think the following should take place:
1. The ability to delete threads should be revoked for any thread over an hour old.
2. The threads/polls Jim deleted should be restored.

I gave SBK all the Casino Cash. I really did not know I could delete a thread but I tried it and it worked. I actually started out trying to delete my accounts but that did not work. Then I tried deleting all my posts, that does not work either. Not sure why I was able to delete todays threads but I was able. to do so.

DaFace
07-13-2008, 09:20 PM
I'm a bit confused about it as well, and am not even remotely a fan of the idea. I think it must be something that supporters are allowed to do, but I'm gonna have to talk to the boss on this one.

I'm against it as well. I don't mind people removing their OWN posts, but not an entire thread's worth. I didn't realize that they had the ability to delete their threads. I've restored them for now. I'll talk with you about the more global issue elsewhere.

DaFace
07-13-2008, 09:21 PM
That's broken too

Yeah, that's a bug in the beta. If we could only get an upgrade done...

Logical
07-13-2008, 09:21 PM
I thought he was a mod....How do you get to the page that tells you who all the mods/admins are?No I am not a mod

Phobia
07-13-2008, 09:21 PM
I'm a bit confused about it as well, and am not even remotely a fan of the idea. I think it must be something that supporters are allowed to do, but I'm gonna have to talk to the boss on this one.

I think supporters should be given additional features/privileges but when you let people simply whack any thread that is going badly for them it is a problem. Jim saved some embarrassment by deleting that poll, presumably. He should have to face the music just like everybody else.

luv
07-13-2008, 09:23 PM
I think Phobia is just jealous.

Bacon Cheeseburger
07-13-2008, 09:24 PM
Don't know. I was in Omaha this weekend. :shrug:

Thanks for getting a hold of me to have a beer.

morphius
07-13-2008, 09:24 PM
For the time being I removed the ability to remove own threads by supporters.

Bacon Cheeseburger
07-13-2008, 09:26 PM
For the time being I removed the ability to remove own threads by supporters.

What other superpowers do supporters have that we don't know about?

Phobia
07-13-2008, 09:26 PM
I think Phobia is just jealous.

Heh. I think you're just flipping me crap.

Logical
07-13-2008, 09:26 PM
I think supporters should be given additional features/privileges but when you let people simply whack any thread that is going badly for them it is a problem. Jim saved some embarrassment by deleting that poll, presumably. He should have to face the music just like everybody else.I suggest I be banned. Seriously or have my account deleted. I accept that.

Phobia
07-13-2008, 09:26 PM
For the time being I removed the ability to remove own threads by supporters.

Can we have those threads back please?

morphius
07-13-2008, 09:27 PM
Can we have those threads back please?
DaFace got them already

cdcox
07-13-2008, 09:28 PM
I suggest I be banned. Seriously or have my account deleted. I accept that.

No need for that kind of action at all.

Phobia
07-13-2008, 09:28 PM
I suggest I be banned. Seriously or have my account deleted. I accept that.

I don't think that's a good idea at all. I'm not calling for that. I just want what I felt was a critical part of this culture restored.

You should have to suffer some embarrassment but banishment is way too harsh.

luv
07-13-2008, 09:29 PM
I suggest I be banned. Seriously or have my account deleted. I accept that.

Eh. We all take some heat from time to time. I'm right there with ya.

Logical
07-13-2008, 09:29 PM
I don't think that's a good idea at all. I'm not calling for that. I just want what I felt was a critical part of this culture restored.

You should have to suffer some embarrassment but banishment is way too harsh.

Face it that is what we had done to Tom Cash in the past, it is fair.

morphius
07-13-2008, 09:30 PM
What other superpowers do supporters have that we don't know about?
they can affect their own posts, but not others. can't see ip's or any of that stuff. can move their own threads still, and delete their posts.

luv
07-13-2008, 09:31 PM
they can affect their own posts, but not others. can't see ip's or any of that stuff. can move their own threads still, and delete their posts.

We can move our own threads? Huh?

All this technical mumbo jumbo confuses me.

DaFace
07-13-2008, 09:32 PM
What other superpowers do supporters have that we don't know about?

I don't think there have been any intentional additions to their privs aside from the ability to give infractions (which isn't really all that useful). The issue is that Kyle built the supporters group from scratch, and many of the defaults are different than what we've used around here. I've had to actually give them additional privs just to make them equal with the regs a couple times where the defaults were more limiting than we're used to.

milkman
07-13-2008, 09:32 PM
Have you been taking hormones, Jim?

You sure are acting like a bitch today.

Phobia
07-13-2008, 09:32 PM
Face it that is what we had done to - ahem, shut your mouth - in the past, it is fair.

Probably but your other behavior doesn't warrant it. If you were a new account it might be debatable but I don't even think this is worthy of discussion.

luv
07-13-2008, 09:32 PM
Define supporters. People who pay?

cdcox
07-13-2008, 09:33 PM
Face it that is what we had done to - ahem, shut your mouth - in the past, it is fair.

Difference is that you are a long-time member in good standing.

DaFace
07-13-2008, 09:34 PM
Define supporters. People who pay?

Yeah, though it's a manual process to move people in there that Kyle has to keep up, so I'm not even sure the group is all that up to date.

You can tell who they are because their usernames are in bold.

Frazod
07-13-2008, 09:35 PM
I see Jim has drifted into the attention whore phase of his monthly cycle.

Bacon Cheeseburger
07-13-2008, 09:35 PM
I don't think there have been any intentional additions to their privs aside from the ability to give infractions (which isn't really all that useful). The issue is that Kyle built the supporters group from scratch, and many of the defaults are different than what we've used around here. I've had to actually give them additional privs just to make them equal with the regs a couple times where the defaults were more limiting than we're used to.

I think they should get some kind of super rep power, the money would come pouring in for Kyle then.

Logical
07-13-2008, 09:36 PM
I see Jim has drifted into the attention whore phase of his monthly cycle.You will be happy to know I am PMing all the moderators asking my account to be deleted.

Bacon Cheeseburger
07-13-2008, 09:37 PM
Yeah, though it's a manual process to move people in there that Kyle has to keep up, so I'm not even sure the group is all that up to date.

You can tell who they are because their usernames are in bold.
Are you sure it's not automatically done? The last time I donated my username was in bold within a few minutes.

DaFace
07-13-2008, 09:38 PM
Are you sure it's not automatically done? The last time I donated my username was in bold within a few minutes.

Yep - just checked the logs to be sure - Kyle moved you manually.

Frazod
07-13-2008, 09:39 PM
You will be happy to know I am PMing all the moderators asking my account to be deleted.

That's nice.

cdcox
07-13-2008, 09:39 PM
You will be happy to know I am PMing all the moderators asking my account to be deleted.

Why the hell would you do something stupid like that?

Something else wrong?

milkman
07-13-2008, 09:40 PM
Why the hell would you do something stupid like that?

Something else wrong?

He has vaginal itch.

DaFace
07-13-2008, 09:40 PM
I think they should get some kind of super rep power, the money would come pouring in for Kyle then.

That'd be cool if there was a setting for such a thing.

Ari Chi3fs
07-13-2008, 09:41 PM
I gave SBK all the Casino Cash. I really did not know I could delete a thread but I tried it and it worked. I actually started out trying to delete my accounts but that did not work. Then I tried deleting all my posts, that does not work either. Not sure why I was able to delete todays threads but I was able. to do so.

Hey I went through one of these douchetastic battles as well, when I was El Douch3 Capitan.

Maybe they can just temporarily change your name to Vlad Douchecicle?

All in good fun, of course.

chief52
07-13-2008, 09:44 PM
You will be happy to know I am PMing all the moderators asking my account to be deleted.


I have no idea what this is all about, but why are you asking others to delete your account? If you feel your actions should result in a banning, just do it yourself. Do what you feel is right. Do not ask others to be the "bad guy".

My views differ from your's...and your's from mine. But you are a valuable poster on this bulletin board. Much more so than I. Take the night off....

Logical
07-13-2008, 09:44 PM
Why the hell would you do something stupid like that?

Something else wrong?
Like many of the other oldtimers, it is just time for me to leave. If I am allowed to stay I may show up at Fatchatter

Bacon Cheeseburger
07-13-2008, 09:45 PM
Yep - just checked the logs to be sure - Kyle moved you manually.
Wow, impressive, I must have caught him when he was sitting around looking for something to do.

DaFace
07-13-2008, 09:45 PM
Well, I think this current issue has been resolved, so thanks Phob for pointing it out. I'm pretty sure it was just an oversight when creating the "supporters" group, but I'll try and go through there at some point to see if there are any other weird settings we've missed.

I don't quite know what the deal is, but I'm troubled that Logical would ask for his account to be deleted. I declined to do so, of course. I'm actually pretty puzzled that he would even ask over something pretty small.

(I changed my mind about the second part).

Phobia
07-13-2008, 09:46 PM
I know Jim probably wouldn't want me talking about but I don't think it's any huge secret.

Jim has been sick for several years. I have no idea where his illness stands and I think it's a slippery slope how much rope he's given due to his sickness. I don't believe anybody has given him any proverbial "rope" to date but maybe this situation is something for which some compassion is in order.

He's an icon at this place. Without him maybe it isn't the same kind of culture or maybe it doesn't even exist at all. Who knows?

I do think the talk about banning and deleting his account is stupid. It's a mistake. Trash him for his mistake.

morphius
07-13-2008, 09:47 PM
We don't delete accounts, unless it is a new spammer.

SPchief
07-13-2008, 09:48 PM
We don't delete accounts, unless it is a new spammer.

Who deleted Stevie Ray's account?

DaFace
07-13-2008, 09:50 PM
Like many of the other oldtimers, it is just time for me to leave. If I am allowed to stay I may show up at Fatchatter

I'll ban you from DC if that'll help. :)

Frazod
07-13-2008, 09:50 PM
Who deleted Stevie Ray's account?

Seriously. Seems like the precedent for self-whacking has been set.

DaFace
07-13-2008, 09:51 PM
Who deleted Stevie Ray's account?

I'm not a fan of doing that at all, but what's done is done. If nothing else, it screws up the database with a bunch of orphaned posts.

SPchief
07-13-2008, 09:52 PM
Seriously. Seems like the precedent for self-whacking has been set.



Sort of where I was going with that question. I know some people won't like it, but if Vlad wants to leave and feels that he has to have his account deleted to do so, by all means let him.

Phobia
07-13-2008, 09:53 PM
Who deleted Stevie Ray's account?

That was a bad idea. I'm not a fan.

morphius
07-13-2008, 09:53 PM
Who deleted Stevie Ray's account?
his name was changed and then banned, if i remember correctly

Deberg_1990
07-13-2008, 09:53 PM
He will be back. We are only weeks away from training camp.

Frazod
07-13-2008, 09:53 PM
I'm not a fan of doing that at all, but what's done is done. If nothing else, it screws up the database with a bunch of orphaned posts.

If he wants deleted, delete him. I think the database will carry on just fine.

Phobia
07-13-2008, 09:54 PM
Sort of where I was going with that question. I know some people won't like it, but if Vlad wants to leave and feels that he has to have his account deleted to do so, by all means let him.

No, because it doesn't just affect Vlad. It affects the history of this site.

Phobia
07-13-2008, 09:56 PM
If he wants deleted, delete him. I think the database will carry on just fine.

Heh. You're not exactly a beacon of objectivity regarding Vlad are you?

Iowanian
07-13-2008, 09:56 PM
Barak Logicalosi is definitely a left leaning, tree hugging, california hippy liberal.

Frazod
07-13-2008, 09:57 PM
Heh. You're not exactly a beacon of objectivity regarding Vlad are you?

His words, not mine. If he wants deleted, let him do it. Wasn't my idea.

DaFace
07-13-2008, 09:58 PM
If he wants deleted, delete him. I think the database will carry on just fine.

I'll just leave it at "no."

Iowanian
07-13-2008, 09:59 PM
You will be happy to know I am PMing all the moderators asking my account to be deleted.

You should probably stick around and see if the sand you put in the frazgina turns into a pearl.

Frazod
07-13-2008, 10:00 PM
You should probably stick around and see if the sand you put in the frazgina turns into a pearl.

Feel free to go with him, Nancy.

rad
07-13-2008, 10:04 PM
Barak Logicalosi is definitely a left leaning, tree hugging, california hippy liberal.

Man, you guys really hate liberals, huh?

Logical
07-13-2008, 10:05 PM
I'll ban you from DC if that'll help. :)Truthfully I don't know if my behavior their warrants it. My behavior here does, my problem has always been with polls. I appreciate your kindness, but I have little doubt that given all the money I have given to the Planet over the years Kyle will whack me when he receives my request.

rad
07-13-2008, 10:07 PM
Truthfully I don't know if my behavior their warrants it. My behavior here does, my problem has always been with polls. I appreciate your kindness, but I have little doubt that given all the money I have given to the Planet over the years Kyle will whack me when he receives my request.

Don't forget to make a "I'm leaving forever" thread. It's mandatory.

Phobia
07-13-2008, 10:07 PM
Truthfully I don't know if my behavior their warrants it. My behavior here does, my problem has always been with polls. I appreciate your kindness, but I have little doubt that given all the money I have given to the Planet over the years Kyle will whack me when he receives my request.

Send me a check. I'll change my mind. I can be purchased.

SPchief
07-13-2008, 10:08 PM
Send me a check. I'll change my mind. I can be purchased.

It it'll only cost you $500

DaFace
07-13-2008, 10:10 PM
Truthfully I don't know if my behavior their warrants it. My behavior here does, my problem has always been with polls. I appreciate your kindness, but I have little doubt that given all the money I have given to the Planet over the years Kyle will whack me when he receives my request.

Well, I hope not. For one, I hope you change your mind and decide to stick around. For two (does anyone actually say it like that?), if you ever DID change your mind, it would be a giant PITA.

Anyway, I'm an indecisive bastard tonight, so I'm gonna go ahead and lock the thread down like I almost did earlier. I don't see much value in debating the issue any longer.