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beer bacon
07-20-2008, 12:42 AM
The Dark Knight was beyond great. I can't remember ever being so absorbed in a movie. Once the Joker did his "magic trick" I was completely sucked in. The Joker, Harvey Dent, and Gordan really stole the show. The Batman/Bruce was almost a secondary character, and it didn't hurt the movie at all.

the Talking Can
07-20-2008, 12:50 AM
well....

...not sure how you make another superhero movie after that....wow

the joker was a fantastic character...nominating ledger for that wouldn't be mere sympathy....honestly, it makes Nicholson's version look kind of gay and embarrassing....

very rarely does an actor disappear into a role, but i never once said to myself "hey, that's heath ledger..."

Chiefs Pantalones
07-20-2008, 12:59 AM
I've seen it three times so far.

I love it. Glorious.

Reaper16
07-20-2008, 01:51 AM
the joker was a fantastic character...nominating ledger for that wouldn't be mere sympathy
Javier Bardem won the Oscar for Best Supporting Actor. Ledger's Joker blows Bardem's Anton Chigurh out of the damn water.

DaneMcCloud
07-20-2008, 02:04 AM
It's gonna take down Spidey

I think they're shooting for Aquaman

the Talking Can
07-20-2008, 05:42 AM
Javier Bardem won the Oscar for Best Supporting Actor. Ledger's Joker blows Bardem's Anton Chigurh out of the damn water.

i agree, and Nicholson's joker was nominated*...in retrospect it just looks like Jack prancing around in face paint while being Jack...imo...Ledger's performance is something else entirely...




*for a golden globe, it appears....interesting stuff from wikipedia:

After he was cast, Nicholson immediately began making demands. He had what was known as an "off-the-clock" agreement. His contract specified the number of hours he was entitled to have off each day, from the time he left the set to the time he reported back for filming.[6] Nicholson demanded to have all of his scenes shot in a three week block, but the schedule lapsed into 106 days.[19] Nicholson also demanded that he receive top billing over all of the other actors. In addition to this, he wanted script rewrites and a $6 million salary, as well as a large percentage of the box office gross. The fee is reported to be as high as a $60 million.[4][12] Sean Young was originally cast as Vicki Vale but became injured during filming.[6] Burton suggested replacing Young with Michelle Pfeiffer but Keaton, who was in a relationship with Pfeiffer, believed it would be too awkward. Peters suggested Kim Basinger, whom he was having an affair with at the time. In addition Peters demanded rewrites for Basinger's screentime.[4]....

....Originally in the climax, the Joker was to kill Vicki Vale, sending Batman into a vengeful fury. Jon Peters reworked the climax without telling Burton and commissioned production designer Anton Furst to create a 38-foot (12 m) model of the cathedral.[21]; this cost $100,000, with the film already being well over budget. Burton disliked the idea, having no clue how the scene would end: "Here were Jack Nicholson and Kim Basinger walking up this cathedral, and halfway up Jack turns around and says, 'Why am I walking up all these stairs? Where am I going?' 'We'll talk about it when you get to the top!' I had to tell him that I didn't know."[21]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batman_(1989_film)#Casting

jiveturkey
07-20-2008, 06:53 AM
Loved it.

He flew into a building from a neighboring one, beat the piss out of a handful of dude, stole another dude and then got pulled out of the building by an airplane.

The last one was also excellent but a better villain and the bike make this one better. Two face was a bit of a let down. The movie is "somewhat" believable until the guy with half a face starts walking around.

9.5 out of 10 for me.
Batman begins is a 9 IMO.

I'll be seeing this one again when the Imax calms down a little.

the Talking Can
07-20-2008, 10:47 AM
LOS ANGELES, California (AP) -- A Warner Bros. executive says the Batman sequel "The Dark Knight" has taken in $155.34 million to top "Spider-Man 3" for best opening weekend ever at the box office.
Heath Ledger as the Joker and Christian Bale as Batman are breaking box office records with "The Dark Knight."

Heath Ledger as the Joker and Christian Bale as Batman are breaking box office records with "The Dark Knight."

The figures released Sunday show "The Dark Knight" more than $4 million ahead of the $151.1 million first weekend for "Spider-Man 3" in May 2007.

Studio distribution chief Dan Fellman says "The Dark Knight" also broke the "Spider-Man 3" record for best debut in IMAX large-screen theaters with $6.2 million. "Spider-Man 3" opened with $4.7 million in IMAX cinemas.

Stoked by fan fever over the manic performance of the late Heath Ledger as the Joker, "The Dark Knight" also set a one-day box office record with $66.4 million on opening day, Fellman said Saturday.

Count Zarth
07-20-2008, 10:49 AM
I'm going to go ahead and call it. DK will be the highest-grossing movie EVAR.

eazyb81
07-20-2008, 10:50 AM
Saw it last night, very solid movie. However, Batman's voice was very distracting and unnecessary, IMO. Also, Two Face was disgusting to look at.

Frazod
07-20-2008, 10:51 AM
It should break Spiderman III's records; it's an infinitely better film.

Frazod
07-20-2008, 10:54 AM
Saw it last night, very solid movie. However, Batman's voice was very distracting and unnecessary, IMO. Also, Two Face was disgusting to look at.

Two-face reminded me of Jack from American Werewolf in London.

irishjayhawk
07-20-2008, 10:56 AM
I don't get the two-face comments nor the batman voice comments.

I mean if Batman didn't do that with his voice then people would be wondering how in the world people don't just know it's Wayne.

And two-face being gross and walking around? First, what does that say about the character. That's not really this film's fault but more the comic. Second, the look being in a bad way just baffles me. I mean take Tommy Lee Jones' Two-Face. Which is more believable?

eazyb81
07-20-2008, 11:28 AM
I don't get the two-face comments nor the batman voice comments.

I mean if Batman didn't do that with his voice then people would be wondering how in the world people don't just know it's Wayne.

And two-face being gross and walking around? First, what does that say about the character. That's not really this film's fault but more the comic. Second, the look being in a bad way just baffles me. I mean take Tommy Lee Jones' Two-Face. Which is more believable?

Two-face certainly needs to be ugly, but it was a bit too disturbing in my opinion. Sure, it was more realistic than TLJ's version, but I think it was unnecessary to have him look that gross.

On Batman's voice, come on.....if they wanted it to be realistic, they wouldn't pretend that people who knew Bruce Wayne would not know he was Batman by only having half his face covered. Just making his voice deeper wouldn't magically hide his identity.

R&GHomer
07-20-2008, 12:00 PM
Well I'm guessing the theaters are still packed. Crap, I really want to see this one.

Anyong Bluth
07-20-2008, 12:16 PM
LOS ANGELES, California (AP) -- A Warner Bros. executive says the Batman sequel "The Dark Knight" has taken in $155.34 million to top "Spider-Man 3" for best opening weekend ever at the box office.
Heath Ledger as the Joker and Christian Bale as Batman are breaking box office records with "The Dark Knight."

Heath Ledger as the Joker and Christian Bale as Batman are breaking box office records with "The Dark Knight."

The figures released Sunday show "The Dark Knight" more than $4 million ahead of the $151.1 million first weekend for "Spider-Man 3" in May 2007.

Studio distribution chief Dan Fellman says "The Dark Knight" also broke the "Spider-Man 3" record for best debut in IMAX large-screen theaters with $6.2 million. "Spider-Man 3" opened with $4.7 million in IMAX cinemas.

Stoked by fan fever over the manic performance of the late Heath Ledger as the Joker, "The Dark Knight" also set a one-day box office record with $66.4 million on opening day, Fellman said Saturday.

They thought the only thing that would prevent it from shattering the opening weekend record was the movie's length and not getting enough showings in. Probably another reason they had it trimmed by a 1/2 hour from Nolan's cut.

I think they'll release his version, which I agree with others that is a lot of extra Dent scenes. Nolan has said the movie is first about Dent, and then the Joker. Leads me to believe there's a lot of Dent footage not in this cut, and it'll be a perfect introduction to the Dent background for the 3rd movie- which will have another villian. (Oldman let it slip)

My guess is Nolan didn't mind trimming the Dent stuff for the theatrical release because he had HL's performance of a lifetime and so it was a fitting honor to his last performance, and more importantly, he would be foolish to not rework the material based on having one of the best performances ever in film.

By the way, just for some interesting info: Here's the top grossing films of all time. 1st list is gross adjusted for inflation, 2nd is straight dollars.

Gone With the Wind (1939) (http://www.filmsite.org/gone.html)
Star Wars: Episode IV - A New Hope (1977) (http://www.filmsite.org/starw.html)
The Sound of Music (1965) (http://www.filmsite.org/soun.html)
E. T. The Extra-Terrestrial (1982) (http://www.filmsite.org/etth.html)
The Ten Commandments (1956) (http://www.filmsite.org/tenc.html)
Titanic (1997)
Jaws (1975) (http://www.filmsite.org/jaws.html)
Doctor Zhivago (1965)
The Exorcist (1973) (http://www.filmsite.org/exor.html)
Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs (1937) (http://www.filmsite.org/snow.html)
101 Dalmatians (1961)
Star Wars: Episode V - The Empire Strikes Back (1980)
Ben-Hur (1959) (http://www.filmsite.org/benh.html)
Star Wars: Episode VI - Return of the Jedi (1983)
The Sting (1973)
Raiders of the Lost Ark (1981) (http://www.filmsite.org/raid.html)
Jurassic Park (1993)
The Graduate (1967) (http://www.filmsite.org/grad.html)
Star Wars: Episode I - The Phantom Menace (1999)
Fantasia (1940) (http://www.filmsite.org/fant.html)
The Godfather (1972) (http://www.filmsite.org/godf.html)
Forrest Gump (1994)
Mary Poppins (1964)
The Lion King (1994)
Grease (1978)
Thunderball (1965)
The Jungle Book (1967)
Sleeping Beauty (1959)
Shrek 2 (2004)
Ghostbusters (1984) (http://www.filmsite.org/ghos.html)
Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid (1969) (http://www.filmsite.org/butc.html)
Love Story (1970) (http://www.filmsite.org/love.html)
Spider-Man (2002)
Independence Day (1996)
Home Alone (1990)
Pinocchio (1940)
Cleopatra (1963)
Beverly Hills Cop (1984)
Goldfinger (1964)
Airport (1970)
American Graffiti (1973) (http://www.filmsite.org/amerg.html)
The Robe (1953)
Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest (2006)
Around the World in 80 Days (1956)
Bambi (1942)
Blazing Saddles (1974) (http://www.filmsite.org/blaz.html)
Batman (1989)
The Bells of St. Mary's (1945)
The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King (2003)
The Towering Inferno (1974)
Spider-Man 2 (2004)
My Fair Lady (1964) (http://www.filmsite.org/myfa.html)
The Greatest Show on Earth (1952)
National Lampoon's Animal House (1978)
The Passion of the Christ (2004)
Star Wars: Episode III - Revenge of the Sith (2005)
Back to the Future (1985)
The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers (2002)
The Sixth Sense (1999)
Superman (1978)
Tootsie (1982)
Smokey and the Bandit (1977)
Finding Nemo (2003)
West Side Story (1961) (http://www.filmsite.org/wests.html)
Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone (2001)
Lady and the Tramp (1955)
Close Encounters of the Third Kind (1977/1980) (http://www.filmsite.org/clos.html)
Lawrence of Arabia (1962) (http://www.filmsite.org/lawr.html)
The Rocky Horror Picture Show (1975)
Rocky (1976) (http://www.filmsite.org/rock.html)
The Best Years of Our Lives (1946) (http://www.filmsite.org/besty.html)
The Poseidon Adventure (1972)
The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring (2001)
Twister (1996)
Men in Black (1997)
The Bridge On The River Kwai (1957) (http://www.filmsite.org/bridge.html)
It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World (1963)
Swiss Family Robinson (1960)
One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest (1975) (http://www.filmsite.org/onef.html)
M*A*S*H (1970)
Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom (1984)
Star Wars: Episode II - Attack of the Clones (2002)
Mrs. Doubtfire (1993)
Aladdin (1992)
Ghost (1990)
Duel in the Sun (1946) (http://www.filmsite.org/duel.html)
Pirates of the Caribbean: The Curse of the Black Pearl (2003)
House of Wax (1953)
Rear Window (1954) (http://www.filmsite.org/rear.html)
The Lost World: Jurassic Park (1997)
Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade (1989)
Spider-Man 3 (2007)
Terminator 2: Judgment Day (1991) (http://www.filmsite.org/term2.html)
Sergeant York (1941)
Dr. Seuss' How the Grinch Stole Christmas (2000)
Toy Story 2 (1999)
Top Gun (1986)
Shrek (2001)
Shrek the Third (2007)
The Matrix Reloaded (2003)
Titanic (1997)
Star Wars: Episode IV - A New Hope (1977) (http://www.filmsite.org/starw.html)
Shrek 2 (2004)
E. T. The Extra-Terrestrial (1982) (http://www.filmsite.org/etth.html)
Star Wars: Episode I - The Phantom Menace (1999)
Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest (2006)
Spider-Man (2002)
Star Wars: Episode III - Revenge of the Sith (2005)
The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King (2003)
Spider-Man 2 (2004)
The Passion of the Christ (2004)
Jurassic Park (1993)
The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers (2002)
Finding Nemo (2003)
Spider-Man 3 (2007)
Forrest Gump (1994)
The Lion King (1994)
Shrek the Third (2007)
Transformers (2007)
Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone (2001)
The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring (2001)
Iron Man (2008)
Star Wars: Episode II - Attack of the Clones (2002)
Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End (2007)
Star Wars: Episode VI - Return of the Jedi (1983)
Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull (2008)
Independence Day (1996)
Pirates of the Caribbean: The Curse of the Black Pearl (2003)
The Sixth Sense (1999)
Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix (2007)
The Chronicles of Narnia: The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe (2005)
Star Wars: Episode V - The Empire Strikes Back (1980)
Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire (2005)
Home Alone (1990)
The Matrix Reloaded (2003)
Meet the Fockers (2004)
Shrek (2001)
Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets (2002)
The Incredibles (2004)
Dr. Seuss' How the Grinch Stole Christmas (2000)
Jaws (1975) (http://www.filmsite.org/jaws.html)
I Am Legend (2007)
Monsters, Inc. (2001)
Batman (1989)
Night at the Museum (2006)
Men in Black (1997)
Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban (2004)
Toy Story 2 (1999)
Cars (2006)
Bruce Almighty (2003)
Raiders of the Lost Ark (1981) (http://www.filmsite.org/raid.html)
Twister (1996)
My Big Fat Greek Wedding (2002)
Ghostbusters (1984) (http://www.filmsite.org/ghos.html)
Beverly Hills Cop (1984)
X-Men: The Last Stand (2006)
War of the Worlds (2005)
Cast Away (2000)
The Lost World: Jurassic Park (1997)
Signs (2002)
The Bourne Ultimatum (2007)
Rush Hour 2 (2001)
National Treasure: Book of Secrets (2007)
Mrs. Doubtfire (1993)
King Kong (2005)
Ghost (1990)
The Da Vinci Code (2006)
Aladdin (1992)
Alvin and the Chipmunks (2007)
Saving Private Ryan (1998)
Mission: Impossible 2 (2000)
X2: X-Men United (2003)
Austin Powers in Goldmember (2002)
Back to the Future (1985)
300 (2006)
Wedding Crashers (2005)
Charlie and the Chocolate Factory (2005)
Ratatouille (2007)
Austin Powers 2: The Spy Who Shagged Me (1999)
Batman Begins (2005)
Terminator 2: Judgment Day (1991) (http://www.filmsite.org/term2.html)
The Exorcist (1973) (http://www.filmsite.org/exor.html)
The Mummy Returns (2001)
Armageddon (1998)
Superman Returns (2006)
Gone With the Wind (1939) (http://www.filmsite.org/gone.html)
Pearl Harbor (2001)
Happy Feet (2006)
Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade (1989)
Kung Fu Panda (2008)
Ice Age: The Meltdown (2006)
Madagascar (2005)
Toy Story (1995)
Men in Black II (2002)
Gladiator (2000)
The Day After Tomorrow (2004)
Mr. & Mrs. Smith (2005)
Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs (1937) (http://www.filmsite.org/snow.html)
Dances with Wolves (1990)
Batman Forever (1995)

Count Zarth
07-20-2008, 12:21 PM
It's interesting that Nolan's cut is 3 hours. My guess is I'll like it a lot better than the 2.5 hour version. It felt a bit rushed.

Tribal Warfare
07-20-2008, 01:08 PM
http://images.rottentomatoes.com/images/movie/gallery/1184851/photo_09_hires.jpg

Halfcan
07-20-2008, 02:10 PM
Gone with the wind is the top movie ever??

Frankly my dear..........

Guru
07-20-2008, 02:27 PM
Was not impressed.

I wouldn't go that far. I can definitely say I liked BB much more though. DK was highly entertaining but I prefer BB still.

Guru
07-20-2008, 02:29 PM
It should break Spiderman III's records; it's an infinitely better film.
Oh, it will easily beat spiderman 3

ragedogg69
07-20-2008, 03:53 PM
just got back. the IMAX is all sold out until 10:30 tonight. so i saw it in a normal theater. by far the best movie of the year. i will watch the oscars this year just to see HL win it.

kcpasco
07-20-2008, 03:54 PM
Why is everyone so serious?

Valiant
07-20-2008, 04:00 PM
It's gonna take down Spidey

And movies will keep doing that.. Ticket prices raise every few years and so does the population..

Would love to see a breakdown of older blockbusters and how many people went and seen them on opening day and what they would have made in todays market..

Valiant
07-20-2008, 04:07 PM
They thought the only thing that would prevent it from shattering the opening weekend record was the movie's length and not getting enough showings in. Probably another reason they had it trimmed by a 1/2 hour from Nolan's cut.

I think they'll release his version, which I agree with others that is a lot of extra Dent scenes. Nolan has said the movie is first about Dent, and then the Joker. Leads me to believe there's a lot of Dent footage not in this cut, and it'll be a perfect introduction to the Dent background for the 3rd movie- which will have another villian. (Oldman let it slip)

My guess is Nolan didn't mind trimming the Dent stuff for the theatrical release because he had HL's performance of a lifetime and so it was a fitting honor to his last performance, and more importantly, he would be foolish to not rework the material based on having one of the best performances ever in film.

By the way, just for some interesting info: Here's the top grossing films of all time. 1st list is gross adjusted for inflation, 2nd is straight dollars.





cool..

ChiefFripp
07-20-2008, 04:45 PM
I saw it yesterday afternoon. The movie exceeded my high expectations.

Valiant
07-20-2008, 04:54 PM
Lets see how I have done.. Of the biggest opening movies of all time.. I have only not seen five of them..




The Bells of St. Mary's (1945)

The Passion of the Christ (2004)

The Best Years of Our Lives (1946)

Duel in the Sun (1946)

House of Wax (1953)

DaMook
07-20-2008, 05:56 PM
best movie this year, maybe the last ten.

Mr. Arrowhead
07-20-2008, 06:33 PM
this movie kicked some major ass

beavis
07-20-2008, 06:47 PM
Only thing that I didn't like about this movie is HL not being around to reprise his role. What a terrible loss.

Did anyone else find themselves wishing the movie wouldn't end? I just couldn't get enough of it. It's rare for me to see a movie twice while in the theater, but I think I might have to for this one.

banyon
07-20-2008, 06:58 PM
I absolutely loved it. Fan-friggin-tastic. Didn't let up from word one.


One weird continuity thing (maybe it's in the Director's cut):

What happened when the Joker was at Wayne's mansion and Batman and Rachel fell out the window and were just laying on the car? It just kind of cuts to the next day. Was the Joker like "Ok, I've had my 2 drinks, time for some shuteye?" Anyway, a minor curiousity in a great film.

Christopher Nolan is the best. People are giving a ton of credit to Heath Ledger, and rightfully so, but I think Nolan deserves some credit forgetting that performance out of him too. Remember Memento and how great Guy Pearce was in that movie? He hasn't done squat since. I think Nolan has a good eye with the lens and some talent in getting the most out of people.

ragedogg69
07-20-2008, 07:27 PM
batman begins is on FX HD right now. FYI

Count Zarth
07-20-2008, 07:38 PM
Why is everyone so serious?

People are dying.

What would you have me do?

Raiderhader
07-21-2008, 12:17 AM
Wow! Just wow. Went and saw it with one of my brothers tonight and am seriously considering going back for a matinee tomorrow. Plus a friend and I plan to go see it in IMAX in Dallas. It'll all be worth every penny. A third film would almost have to be a let down, regardless of how good it may actually be. Reaching the level as this one will be difficult enough, let alone trying to top it.

Tribal Warfare
07-21-2008, 01:39 AM
Just saw it AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

RockChalk
07-21-2008, 09:00 AM
saw it for the first time last night. BLOWN AWAY!!!!!

I didn't think it could be better than BB, but IMO, it is. I also sat there wishing it wouldn't end.

I will be going back to the theatre to see it again this week!

Fried Meat Ball!
07-21-2008, 09:14 AM
I absolutely loved it. Fan-friggin-tastic. Didn't let up from word one.


One weird continuity thing (maybe it's in the Director's cut):

What happened when the Joker was at Wayne's mansion and Batman and Rachel fell out the window and were just laying on the car? It just kind of cuts to the next day. Was the Joker like "Ok, I've had my 2 drinks, time for some shuteye?" Anyway, a minor curiousity in a great film.

Christopher Nolan is the best. People are giving a ton of credit to Heath Ledger, and rightfully so, but I think Nolan deserves some credit forgetting that performance out of him too. Remember Memento and how great Guy Pearce was in that movie? He hasn't done squat since. I think Nolan has a good eye with the lens and some talent in getting the most out of people.

I think the majority of the credit goes to Heath - there have been some interviews with Nolan who said even he wasn't sure what HL was pitching was going to work. Then he saw it during the shoots and knew Ledger was on to something special.

Saulbadguy
07-21-2008, 09:16 AM
Good movie. I don't think it was awesome though. I think it got hyped more because of Ledgers death. JMO.

Demonpenz
07-21-2008, 09:18 AM
I couldn't stand batmans voice. Left halfway through.

CoMoChief
07-21-2008, 09:33 AM
Good movie. I don't think it was awesome though. I think it got hyped more because of Ledgers death. JMO.
:rolleyes:

Saulbadguy
07-21-2008, 09:35 AM
:rolleyes:

:rolleyes::rolleyes:

irishjayhawk
07-21-2008, 09:37 AM
I think the majority of the credit goes to Heath - there have been some interviews with Nolan who said even he wasn't sure what HL was pitching was going to work. Then he saw it during the shoots and knew Ledger was on to something special.

Well, to be fair, a director is always a visual guy. Hearing something and trying to envision it is hard. But seeing it can do wonders.

Demonpenz
07-21-2008, 09:39 AM
:rolleyes::rolleyes:


:rolleyes::rolleyes :rolleyes::rolleyes:

Fried Meat Ball!
07-21-2008, 09:39 AM
Well, to be fair, a director is always a visual guy. Hearing something and trying to envision it is hard. But seeing it can do wonders.

As a director, I can understand that. ;)

But that's why I say MOST of the credit is due HL. He created the character and Nolan saw it was good. It's not like Nolan directed HL to do that character.

Saulbadguy
07-21-2008, 09:41 AM
:rolleyes::rolleyes :rolleyes::rolleyes:

Pooooooooooooop.

irishjayhawk
07-21-2008, 09:42 AM
As a director, I can understand that. ;)

But that's why I say MOST of the credit is due HL. He created the character and Nolan saw it was good. It's not like Nolan directed HL to do that character.

No, I know. I just thought that it's a little itsy bit wrong to give Nolan even a tiny bit of grief for not knowing HL's pitch would work. :p

Fried Meat Ball!
07-21-2008, 09:43 AM
No, I know. I just thought that it's a little itsy bit wrong to give Nolan even a tiny bit of grief for not knowing HL's pitch would work. :p

Wasn't giving grief at all. Using it as an illustration that the character was due to Ledger, not Nolan.

El Jefe
07-21-2008, 01:04 PM
Saw it for the 2nd time yesterday, it was even better!!!!

irishjayhawk
07-21-2008, 02:17 PM
I'm still waiting on judging it versus Batman Begins. I love a lot about BB after seeing it again. And I'd rather not rush to judgment after just seeing DK.

BWillie
07-21-2008, 10:24 PM
Anybody want to see Maggie G getting her titty sucked?

NSFW

http://www.popcornnation.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/maggiegyllenhaalbreastfeeding.jpg

Fairplay
07-21-2008, 10:30 PM
Anybody want to see Maggie G getting her titty sucked?

NSFW

http://www.popcornnation.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/maggiegyllenhaalbreastfeeding.jpg


I was at a friends house a while back and his wife said, oh its time to feed the baby, i didn't think nothing of it, next thing you know she flopped out a breast right in front of me as we were talking like no big deal and fed the baby. It was a little awkward.

ChiefsFanatic
07-21-2008, 10:35 PM
I was at a friends house a while back and his wife said, oh its time to feed the baby, i didn't think nothing of it, next thing you know she flopped out a breast right in front of me as we were talking like no big deal and fed the baby. It was a little awkward.

I don't know you, but I have been in that situation before, and I am %99.99 sure that you imagined your mouth on her nipple.

Fairplay
07-21-2008, 10:37 PM
I don't know you, but I have been in that situation before, and I am %99.99 sure that you imagined your mouth on her nipple.



Well, i guess yeah. But more worried about what her husband thought.

I don't think he gave a sh*t though.

joanna521
07-21-2008, 11:08 PM
I just finished it, awesome

Fried Meat Ball!
07-22-2008, 06:46 AM
If you want to see Maggie G's bewbies, check out Secretary or SherryBaby. Both excellent films.

keg in kc
07-22-2008, 12:23 PM
If you want to see Maggie G's bewbies, check out Secretary or SherryBaby. Both excellent films.Don't forget Strip Search.

Ah, so I heard.

Count Zarth
07-22-2008, 01:41 PM
Stop treating Maggie I HAVE THE FACE OF A 45-YEAR OLD CRACK WHORE Gyllenhall like a sex symbol.

Fried Meat Ball!
07-22-2008, 02:43 PM
Stop treating Maggie I HAVE THE FACE OF A 45-YEAR OLD CRACK WHORE Gyllenhall like a sex symbol.

To each his own Clayton. I've said before that I fully realize Maggie is not your typical hot or beautiful. BUT... I think the woman epitomizes sex appeal. There's just something about her.

For me, anyways. I've liked her for a while. On the other hand, I think Carrie Underwood is OK, but not great. I would take Maggie every day of the week and twice on Sunday over Carrie. No question.

ChiefsFanatic
07-22-2008, 02:49 PM
Well, i guess yeah. But more worried about what her husband thought.

I don't think he gave a sh*t though.

Unless the woman is Jabba the Hutt, it is almost impossible to not imagine your mouth on a woman's nipple when she is breast feeding.

CoMoChief
07-22-2008, 02:51 PM
I LOVED this movie. Best movie I've seen in a few years. It lived up to the hype. The Joker was awesome and blows Jack's Joker out of the water IMO, even though the Jokers were different characters.

If the Joker is gonna be in the next one, there is one and only one person who could possibly come close to acting the part Ledger played and that's Johnny Depp. I think they would have to voice over the laugh though. That was insane.

Anyong Bluth
07-24-2008, 08:35 AM
1st can we just once again all agree that this movie kicked serious ass!!!
Saw it again late afternoon yesterday on Navy Pier IMAX. Walked into the theatre and there were a lot more highschool and younger kids at this showing, and I was worried I was gonna get pissed with idiot kids yelling shit to get attention.

There was a whole row of teenagers in front of me, and 2 of the guys that were right in front of me were talking during the previews, and I was like if this keeps up I'm saying something. They were quiet and the surprisingly given the crowd so was everyone else- until some guy a row up and about 10 feet to my right started talking loudly about 1/2 way thru the film? He was like explaining shit to someone, but clearly way too loud. Ironically, one of the 2 teen guys in front of me that were talking during the previews ended up turning and asking the guy if he would keep it down after about 5 minutes of this loud chatter.


I LOVED this movie. Best movie I've seen in a few years. It lived up to the hype. The Joker was awesome and blows Jack's Joker out of the water IMO, even though the Jokers were different characters.

If the Joker is gonna be in the next one, there is one and only one person who could possibly come close to acting the part Ledger played and that's Johnny Depp. I think they would have to voice over the laugh though. That was insane.


NO DEPP! I like the guy as an actor and all, but he just has that Burton esque quirckiness, not what this Joker calls for. I think its a tired choice too, too easy, too expected- to unlike what Nolan would do.

I'd goto maybe one of these guys maybe... (this is just a quick off the top of my head suggestions)

http://www.latinofilmfestival.org/2007/images/pressimages/DiegoLunaSM.jpg
Diego Luna

Joseph Fiennes
http://wwwimage.cbsnews.com/images/2003/08/26/image570228x.jpg

Wes Bentley
http://brocknyla.typepad.com/brocknyla/wes.jpg

or.. and I think a lot of people would think he's too somber based on a lot of his work but the guy has the ability and the range I think to really pull off something wonderful, and not just try to re-create HL performance. I could see this guy pulling off the manic side but with a bit more aggression- think of the scene where they're watching the Joker's video and he yells at the kidnapped bat wannabe: "LOOOK AT ME!!"

Michael C. Hall
http://z.about.com/d/tvdramas/1/0/Y/H/dex-mikehall.jpg

Whoever takes it over, if they do re-cast it is going to have a bitch of a time. It's a really no win situation b/c you know people are going to crap on you after HL.

Sidenote: I hope people appreciate how amazing a job Eckhart did in this film. He turned in a nominating worth performance and probably few will even recognize it b/c of HL performance / death. Hope to god he's back for the next...

Sure-Oz
07-24-2008, 08:39 AM
I personally hope they go another direction than the joker....no one will ever top Ledger, we all know that.

Saulbadguy
07-24-2008, 08:40 AM
I personally hope they go another direction than the joker....no one will ever top Ledger, we all know that.

And no one would ever top Keaton as the Batman either, right?

Anyong Bluth
07-24-2008, 08:42 AM
I personally hope they go another direction than the joker....no one will ever top Ledger, we all know that.



Agreed, I hope they go with having 2 Face back, and we know Oldman let it slip that a certain character that is big on ? is supposed to be in the 3rd.

What would be cool is if they did like they did with scarecrow and have the Joker operating in the background- never on the screen or anything, but recognition that he's still out there and creating havoc still...

Sure-Oz
07-24-2008, 08:46 AM
And no one would ever top Keaton as the Batman either, right?

Keaton didn't have an amazing performance...he was a solid batman, but nothing overwhelming. I just think replacing Heath with some other guy wouldn't have the same feel, atleast in my eyes, ledgers performance just blew me away as did many other bat fans.

Sure-Oz
07-24-2008, 08:47 AM
Agreed, I hope they go with having 2 Face back, and we know Oldman let it slip that a certain character that is big on ? is supposed to be in the 3rd.

What would be cool is if they did like they did with scarecrow and have the Joker operating in the background- never on the screen or anything, but recognition that he's still out there and creating havoc still...

Yeah i can hope for something like that as well...im sure they will do a great job regardless on a 3rd film. I don't know if the hype will be as high as this one, but im sure it will rock

Frazod
07-24-2008, 08:48 AM
Stop treating Maggie I HAVE THE FACE OF A 45-YEAR OLD CRACK WHORE Gyllenhall like a sex symbol.

God I couldn't agree more. She is just amazingly unattractive.

Pablo
07-24-2008, 09:59 AM
There was a whole row of teenagers in front of me, and 2 of the guys that were right in front of me were talking during the previews, and I was like if this keeps up I'm saying something. Talking during the previews?? My lands...what will these rabble-rousing punks think of next?

Waiting on your AARP card?

Demonpenz
07-24-2008, 10:12 AM
maggie gyllenhal reminds me of the girl that would cut herself during 7th period math

Tribal Warfare
07-24-2008, 10:23 AM
Agreed, I hope they go with having 2 Face back, and we know Oldman let it slip that a certain character that is big

Bane and or Catwoman :rockon:

Pablo
07-24-2008, 10:31 AM
maggie gyllenhal reminds me of the girl that would cut herself during 7th period mathAKA..penz's HS girlfriend.

Tribal Warfare
07-24-2008, 10:37 AM
Another villain possibility Johnny Depp as the riddler

Anyong Bluth
07-24-2008, 10:45 AM
Talking during the previews?? My lands...what will these rabble-rousing punks think of next?

Waiting on your AARP card?


No, I wasn't having a problem with that. I was simply worried that this was an indicator that they'd keep it up during the movie.

Trust me I'm not some huge nazi that is going to freak about people making a comment here and there within earshot- so long as it's not constant conversation. What I can't stand is the assholes that act all put off if you have to get up during the movie and refuse to move their feet or make it easier for you to pass by while trying to get out. I rarely do this, but sometimes I have to, and if I do it's once during the movie.

Went to see Hellboy 2 while in San Francisco and there was a group of 3-4 guys that were sprawled out and had shopping bags on the floor in front. I tried to get out to goto the bathroom and they wouldn't move a budge or move their bags. The stadium seating there was really drastic and I almost stumbled, and if I would have fallen I would have ended up in the row below. On my way back in I just plow through the dicks. F U if you can't realize you're just causing me to obstruct your view longer by making it tougher to get by.

Mr. Plow
07-24-2008, 10:47 AM
Wife & I saw it the other night. Good movie. I really enjoy this direction for the Batman movies moreso than the ones done in the 90's. Just makes them a more enjoyable movie.

Our crap ass movie theater screwed up a lot of the movie for me though. There were points where the "background" music was so freakin' loud that you couldn't hear what the actors were saying. Just pissed me off.

But, the good news is that my son wants to see it so I'll get another shot at it....this time I'll see it in a better theater.

Anyong Bluth
07-24-2008, 10:51 AM
Bane and or Catwoman :rockon:


No bane. Nolan is sticking with the "plausible" villains. If we're going for the gambit of choices, I would really love more Scarecrow, and Clayface. Batman: The Animated Series (on Fox back in the 90's) did such a fabulous job with all of the Batman world, and I esp. loved how they portrayed Scarecrow and Clayface.

Catwoman is a great fit for 3 since she has a history of walking the line on both sides of being good and bad, and since Batman will be the "evil vigilante" for part of the film. She also reboots the idea of hope, for batman, personally in the sense of romantic connection, and meld with the idea that he knows he has to accept the burden of being Batman for longer and foregoing a "normal" life- which was his story arch for TDK.

Riddler - for my $$, Daniel Day Lewis, please. maybe Guy Pierce?

Demonpenz
07-24-2008, 10:54 AM
catwoman is the best girlfriend. Good, but bad when she needs to be

Redrum_69
07-24-2008, 11:11 AM
cat woman....natalie portman or scarlett johansson

Tribal Warfare
07-24-2008, 11:14 AM
No bane. Nolan is sticking with the "plausible" villains

Bane is very feasible, an intelligent villain who happens to be a steroid freak who virtually destroys Batman. Clayface? You'd have to have major CGI work to get that on screen

Anyong Bluth
07-24-2008, 11:29 AM
Bane is very feasible, an intelligent villain who happens to be a steroid freak who virtually destroys Batman. Clayface? You'd have to have major CGI work to get that on screen


Bane would have to be really dialed down. Yes, it's workable but I doubt Nolan goes for someone like him based on the hinted theme for the 3rd Film.

If you can talk him in to a 4th film, Bane works. Tragic ending but it would be one hell of a way to ensure you end the franchise with the current players.

Some might not like it, I do, b/c like a lot of Shakespearean plays / protagonists, fate is much crueler than the fairy tale we would all like the story to end.

The more I think about it, it'd be amazing and ballsy way to go out on. Assuming they can keep the level up to at least Batman Begins level, you might be looking at a 4 part story that is the greatest of all time in cinematic history- not that theirs a lot of quadrilogies, but you get the point.

Frazod
07-24-2008, 12:09 PM
Another villain possibility Johnny Depp as the riddler

Depp would make a good Joker, too.

Pestilence
07-24-2008, 12:13 PM
Depp would make a good Joker, too.

Damnt.....I still hate the fact that we'll never get to see the Heath Ledger Joker in another film again. :(

Swanman
07-24-2008, 12:51 PM
Riddler - for my $$, Daniel Day Lewis, please. maybe Guy Pierce?

Well, Nolan worked with Pearce on Memento, so I imagine they are comfortable with one another.

Pestilence
07-24-2008, 12:54 PM
I'd be down with either Catwoman, Riddler or more Scarecrow.

OnTheWarpath58
07-24-2008, 12:58 PM
I think I'm going to go see it again in about an hour and a half.

On an IMAX screen, this time.

Anyong Bluth
07-24-2008, 01:15 PM
Well, Nolan worked with Pearce on Memento, so I imagine they are comfortable with one another.


And Eckhart was his 1st choice for that role. FYI

Easy 6
07-24-2008, 01:37 PM
I'm taking my son this weekend, i havent anticipated a flic this much since...forever.

It seems to be a lock for best superhero movie ever.

Bowser
07-24-2008, 01:43 PM
I'm taking my son this weekend, i havent anticipated a flic this much since...forever.

It seems to be a lock for best superhero movie ever.

This is a bad ass film. Prepare to enjoy yourselves immensely.

Midnight_Vulture
07-24-2008, 01:53 PM
UGH where do I begin with some of you idiots.:banghead:

I am just so thanful NONE of you will have any creative control with the next script cause some of your suggestions are quite retarded and beyond stupid.

"Lets have Johnny Depp play the Joker next!"
:banghead:

Ummmm how about no. Actually how about HELL NO!:cuss:
Look, I like Johnny Depp. He is in one of my favorite films of all time (Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas) but he doesnt fit in at all as the Joker. In fact, I am getting a little sick of all the Johnny Depp hype especially from idiots that have never heard of him before he was Captain Jack Sparrow.

True movie buffs like me are fans of his earlier work which wasnt commerical or mainstream.

Speaking of the Joker, I will go on to say that there is no chance in hell that Nolan would disrepect Heath and recast some other guy to play him. I think in the third film, they will have the Joker locked away for good. They might use some scenes with Heath in it that they left on the cutting room floor but thats it.

And folks...Harvey Dent is freakin dead. It even says that IN BOLD in the script. He is dead from the fall...he broke his neck.

Anyways the film is awesome and I trust in Nolan to keep up the good work.

Frazod
07-24-2008, 01:55 PM
UGH where do I begin with some of you idiots.:banghead:

I am just so thanful NONE of you will have any creative control with the next script cause some of your suggestions are quite retarded and beyond stupid.

"Lets have Johnny Depp play the Joker next!"
:banghead:

Ummmm how about no. Actually how about HELL NO!:cuss:
Look, I like Johnny Depp. He is in one of my favorite films of all time (Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas) but he doesnt fit in at all as the Joker. In fact, I am getting a little sick of all the Johnny Depp hype especially from idiots that have never heard of him before he was Captain Jack Sparrow.

True movie buffs like me are fans of his earlier work which wasnt commerical or mainstream.

Speaking of the Joker, I will go on to say that there is no chance in hell that Nolan would disrepect Heath and recast some other guy to play him. I think in the third film, they will have the Joker locked away for good. They might use some scenes with Heath in it that they left on the cutting room floor but thats it.

And folks...Harvey Dent is freakin dead. It even says that IN BOLD in the script. He is dead from the fall...he broke his neck.

Anyways the film is awesome and I trust in Nolan to keep up the good work.

LMAO

The "true movie buff."

God, you are a f#cking tool.

Midnight_Vulture
07-24-2008, 02:04 PM
LMAO



God, you are a f#cking tool.

Says the guy from Naperville with almost 50,000 posts.

Bwhahhaa

Not much to do in Naperville huh?

Frazod
07-24-2008, 02:15 PM
Says the guy from Naperville with almost 50,000 posts.

Bwhahhaa

Not much to do in Naperville huh?

Oh, you're clever. I'm hurt.

But I'm not so much of a COMPLETE F#CKING RETARD to think that watching a few "making of" documentaries is qualification to be a film expert.

You should stick to your bicycles and bimbos, junior.

Fried Meat Ball!
07-24-2008, 02:28 PM
True movie buffs like me...

ROFL ROFL LMAO

Frazod
07-24-2008, 02:29 PM
ROFL ROFL LMAO

Maybe we should let Dane take this one. %(/

Fried Meat Ball!
07-24-2008, 02:30 PM
Well... he DOES live and work in Hollywood.

:p

markk
07-24-2008, 02:31 PM
what kind of bike does this tool have anyway

Tribal Warfare
07-24-2008, 02:31 PM
It seems to be a lock for best superhero movie ever.

I wouldn't necessarily say that the original Superman will always be the best IMO, due to it's sheer impact on the genre. The Dark Knight does come in at very very close second though

Frazod
07-24-2008, 02:34 PM
what kind of bike does this tool have anyway

Judging by his posts, I assume it's the kind that has training wheels attached.

keg in kc
07-24-2008, 02:57 PM
I wouldn't necessarily say that the original Superman will always be the best IMO, due to it's sheer impact on the genre. The Dark Knight does come in at very very close second thoughThe original Superman is a bad joke, it hasn't aged well at all. The Dark Knight is a film that I think will stand up for years, and not only as a "genre" film. TDK is an epic, the first movie to move beyond the confines of the "comic book". Way beyond. This is a real film.

sedated
07-24-2008, 03:00 PM
TDK is an epic, the first movie to move beyond the confines of the "comic book". Way beyond. This is a real film.

that's what I thought about X-Men.

keg in kc
07-24-2008, 03:03 PM
that's what I thought about X-Men.The first was okay, the second was better, both were still genre movies, in my book.

Any movie with Batman does of course have the distinct advantage that he's a mortal, non-superpowered hero, so it's easier to suspend your disbelief, especially if you have someone like Nolan in charge, trying to ground it in 'reality' as much as possible. No lasers from the eyes...

sedated
07-24-2008, 03:09 PM
The first was okay, the second was better, both were still genre movies, in my book.

Any movie with Batman does of course have the distinct advantage that he's a mortal, non-superpowered hero, so it's easier to suspend your disbelief, especially if you have someone like Nolan in charge, trying to ground it in 'reality' as much as possible. No lasers from the eyes...

so, since the superhero does not have "super powers", it no longer falls in the realm of 'comic book movie'?

they are still over the top characters dressed in costumes. its still based on a comic book. they still have corny names like 'joker' and 'two-face'.


everyone here is kissing this movies' ass way too much. its a goddamn movie about batman. theres no need to drone on and on about how its the greatest movie ever and line up to suck the directors dick.

Tribal Warfare
07-24-2008, 03:14 PM
The original Superman is a bad joke, it hasn't aged well at all.




You got be F*CKIN kidding me, it was written by Mario Puzo and virtually started the modern Superhero movie genre. You are wrong sir, and many would agree that the original Superman is as important as the 1st Star Wars trilogy

keg in kc
07-24-2008, 03:15 PM
so, since the superhero does not have "super powers", it no longer falls in the realm of 'comic book movie'?Not at all. I'm just saying that the kind of character that Batman is could make it easier to suspend disbelief (although he's still a billionaire fighting crime in tights...) I thought Batman Begins, while really good, was still definitely a comic book movie. The Dark Knight to me moved out of that realm, a movie based on a comic book, but not a comic book movie. It's more of a drama/crime drama/psychological thriller than a genre movie, with a number of good/great performances by an amazing ensemble cast.

And I'm not sucking anybody's dick or saying it's the greatest thing since smoked gouda, I'm just giving my opinion, same as you. I would, however, say it's one of the best movies I've ever seen and already in my personal top 20 or so, far and away the best one based on a comic book.

sedated
07-24-2008, 03:16 PM
Any movie with Batman does of course have the distinct advantage that he's a mortal, non-superpowered hero, so it's easier to suspend your disbelief, especially if you have someone like Nolan in charge, trying to ground it in 'reality' as much as possible. No lasers from the eyes...

yes, its much easier to give the hero a zillion billion dollars so he can buy toys that could probably never exist (or at least work the way they do in the movie).

that part about using everyone's cell phones as sonar and getting a real-time map of the entire world was so much more believable than genetic mutation.

keg in kc
07-24-2008, 03:20 PM
You got be F*CKIN kidding me, it was written by Mario Puzo and virtually started the modern Superhero movie genre. You are wrong sir, and many would agree that the original Superman is as important as the 1st Star Wars trilogyI'm not kidding you. And I'm not "wrong"; it's just an opinion. I've never really liked either of the Superman movies (just forget 3 and 4), they're too cornbread for me, and they're harder and harder to sit through with each passing year.

Although I did like Donner's cut of Superman 2 a bit more once I saw it last year.

Historically speaking, I wouldn't even try to argue the 'modern superhero' genre in film, although I might posit that Spider-Man (or more importantly its box-office success) is probably the actual genesis. Because I see this wave of quality comic movies as a new phenomenon, not one that stretches continuously back 30 years. But I wouldn't even pretend to be an expert on comic books or comic book movies.

sedated
07-24-2008, 03:20 PM
it's one of the best movies I've ever seen and already in my personal top 20 or so, far and away the best one based on a comic book.

I respect your voice and will fight to the death to defend your right to share it.

but I thought it was luke warm average. Ledger made the movie, without him it would have been right up there with Daredevil and Catwoman.

I hate Bale as Batman.

keg in kc
07-24-2008, 03:24 PM
yes, its much easier to give the hero a zillion billion dollars so he can buy toys that could probably never exist (or at least work the way they do in the movie).

that part about using everyone's cell phones as sonar and getting a real-time map of the entire world was so much more believable than genetic mutation.Like I said, he's a billionaire fighting crime in tights.

I didn't say you could completely suspend disbelief, just that I think it might be easier to suspend disbelief for that character than for genetic mutations. And I'm not talking for people like you (I'm assuming) or me. I'm talking about more mainstream people who don't read or like comics or the ideas of superheroes just because they're fun (or a mirror on society just like science fiction). The more...creatively constipated.

keg in kc
07-24-2008, 03:26 PM
I hate Bale as Batman.There's our difference. Bale was note-perfect for me. He was sort of the calm that made the storm of Dent and Joker more interesting or impactful.

Although I don't like the batvoice all that much. But what can you do...

Frazod
07-24-2008, 03:38 PM
Not at all. I'm just saying that the kind of character that Batman is could make it easier to suspend disbelief (although he's still a billionaire fighting crime in tights...) I thought Batman Begins, while really good, was still definitely a comic book movie. The Dark Knight to me moved out of that realm, a movie based on a comic book, but not a comic book movie. It's more of a drama/crime drama/psychological thriller than a genre movie, with a number of good/great performances by an amazing ensemble cast.

And I'm not sucking anybody's dick or saying it's the greatest thing since smoked gouda, I'm just giving my opinion, same as you. I would, however, say it's one of the best movies I've ever seen and already in my personal top 20 or so, far and away the best one based on a comic book.

IMO, the original Crow is still the best comic book movie made. I really enjoyed Dark Knight, but like sedated (damn, am I really agreeing with sedated??? :spock: ) I don't think it was the greatest thing ever.

Ironically, when you think about it, Brandon Lee (the last major overhyped dead star) sort of portrayed Draven as a combination of the Batman and the Joker, only dead.

sedated
07-24-2008, 03:54 PM
but like sedated (damn, am I really agreeing with sedated??? :spock: ) I don't think it was the greatest thing ever.

welcome to the dark side

(of the moon)

Pestilence
07-24-2008, 04:22 PM
IMO, the original Crow is still the best comic book movie made. I really enjoyed Dark Knight, but like sedated (damn, am I really agreeing with sedated??? :spock: ) I don't think it was the greatest thing ever.

Ironically, when you think about it, Brandon Lee (the last major overhyped dead star) sort of portrayed Draven as a combination of the Batman and the Joker, only dead.

I'll agree with you on "The Crow" being the best comic book made movie. Brandon Lee was f'ng awesome in that movie. It's still one of the movies that I can watch over and over again and never get bored.

luv
07-24-2008, 04:57 PM
IMO, the original Crow is still the best comic book movie made. I really enjoyed Dark Knight, but like sedated (damn, am I really agreeing with sedated??? :spock: ) I don't think it was the greatest thing ever.

Ironically, when you think about it, Brandon Lee (the last major overhyped dead star) sort of portrayed Draven as a combination of the Batman and the Joker, only dead.

Wow. I didn't even know The Crow was based on a comic book.

Portlantis
07-24-2008, 04:59 PM
I'm not kidding you. And I'm not "wrong"; it's just an opinion. I've never really liked either of the Superman movies (just forget 3 and 4), they're too cornbread for me, and they're harder and harder to sit through with each passing year.

Although I did like Donner's cut of Superman 2 a bit more once I saw it last year.

Historically speaking, I wouldn't even try to argue the 'modern superhero' genre in film, although I might posit that Spider-Man (or more importantly its box-office success) is probably the actual genesis. Because I see this wave of quality comic movies as a new phenomenon, not one that stretches continuously back 30 years. But I wouldn't even pretend to be an expert on comic books or comic book movies.

To be honest, I don't think Superman is a very compelling character. Sure, he could take any other superhero is a fight, but his being so powerful pretty much takes any sense of risk or drama out of the story. There's never a situation you can put Superman in where he's in any real danger, unless you resort to Kryptonite for the millionth time.

Also, Superman's not very complex. He never seems conflicted about anything. Compared to a character like Batman, whose persona is born from his personal demons, Spiderman, whose life is a constant balancing act between his responsibilities as a superhero and his responsibilities as Peter Parker, or Rogue, whose power is a curse, Superman is quite boring.

The only story I've ever liked Superman in is Frank Miller's "The Dark Knight Returns." In that book, Superman is depicted as a naive boyscout carrying out secret wars for the government, blindly obedient to any voice of authority.

Batman ends up giving him the ass kicking he so richly deserves.

http://www.popcritics.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/darknightreturns.jpg

Midnight_Vulture
07-24-2008, 05:21 PM
My GOD some of you are dumber than rocks...no offense.:banghead:

The X Men films were a flat out insult to the actual comics. The casting of Wolverine was cringeworthy...seriously Hugh Jackman?! Wolverine wasnt supposed to be some wise crackin gentlemen.

And Cyclops...what a whiney little bitch he was.

The 3rd X Men film MIGHT be one of the worst films I have ever seen. You can thank Brett Ratner for that.

Dont even get me started on the Spiderman films. Corny, cheesy and they disgraced Venom.

Superman?!?!?! Are you freakin kidding me?! Those films are sooooo ridiculously dated its not even funny. Actually it is quite funny haha.
Plus, Superman always bored me. He cant die. Zero suspense in those films.


The Dark Knight isnt just some "comic book" film. Its a brillant crime drama. I would definitely put it in the same category as Heat and The Departed...easily.

Portlantis
07-24-2008, 05:28 PM
My GOD some of you are dumber than rocks...no offense.:banghead:

The X Men films were a flat out insult to the actual comics. The casting of Wolverine was cringeworthy...seriously Hugh Jackman?! Wolverine wasnt supposed to be some wise crackin gentlemen.

And Cyclops...what a whiney little bitch he was.

The 3rd X Men film MIGHT be one of the worst films I have ever seen. You can thank Brett Ratner for that.

Dont even get me started on the Spiderman films. Corny, cheesy and they disgraced Venom.

Superman?!?!?! Are you freakin kidding me?! Those films are sooooo ridiculously dated its not even funny. Actually it is quite funny haha.
Plus, Superman always bored me. He cant die. Zero suspense in those films.


The Dark Knight isnt just some "comic book" film. Its a brillant crime drama. I would definitely put it in the same category as Heat and The Departed...easily.

When did God appoint you arbiter of all that's good and bad in the world?

Pestilence
07-24-2008, 05:35 PM
My GOD some of you are dumber than rocks...no offense.:banghead:

The X Men films were a flat out insult to the actual comics. The casting of Wolverine was cringeworthy...seriously Hugh Jackman?! Wolverine wasnt supposed to be some wise crackin gentlemen.

And Cyclops...what a whiney little bitch he was.

The 3rd X Men film MIGHT be one of the worst films I have ever seen. You can thank Brett Ratner for that.

Dont even get me started on the Spiderman films. Corny, cheesy and they disgraced Venom.

Superman?!?!?! Are you freakin kidding me?! Those films are sooooo ridiculously dated its not even funny. Actually it is quite funny haha.
Plus, Superman always bored me. He cant die. Zero suspense in those films.


The Dark Knight isnt just some "comic book" film. Its a brillant crime drama. I would definitely put it in the same category as Heat and The Departed...easily.

Because people actually care what your feeble mind thinks.

irishjayhawk
07-24-2008, 06:09 PM
My GOD some of you are dumber than rocks...no offense.:banghead:

You should look in a mirror from time to time. That said:

The X Men films were a flat out insult to the actual comics. The casting of Wolverine was cringeworthy...seriously Hugh Jackman?! Wolverine wasnt supposed to be some wise crackin gentlemen.

Disagree with the casting but X1 & X2 were very good. They could, arguably, be credited with starting the comic book genre rejuvenation.

And Cyclops...what a whiney little bitch he was.

Debatable, at best.

The 3rd X Men film MIGHT be one of the worst films I have ever seen. You can thank Brett Ratner for that.

QFT. Brett Ratner is the reason.

Dont even get me started on the Spiderman films. Corny, cheesy and they disgraced Venom.

Only #3 was corny or cheesy. Oh, and Venom was only in the film because the producer forced it on the director. Sam Raimi didn't like Venom as a character and didn't want to do him but was forced to anyway.

Superman?!?!?! Are you freakin kidding me?! Those films are sooooo ridiculously dated its not even funny. Actually it is quite funny haha.
Plus, Superman always bored me. He cant die. Zero suspense in those films.

I don't particularly care for Superman either but the film doesn't lose its merit based on the age. Now, as for your critique on Superman as a character, I agree. He's pretty lame.


The Dark Knight isnt just some "comic book" film. Its a brillant crime drama. I would definitely put it in the same category as Heat and The Departed...easily.

As good as the Dark Knight is, I don't think it's as focused - story wise - as it should have been to attain that level of film. Damn good but a little wandering.

Now, I do however, happen to argue that the film's wandering is due to the Joker's character. It's supposed to represent anarchy. Anarchy doesn't have a defined plot or anything. It just goes. So goes the movie.

Thus, I'm still debating on where it fits in in the genre of crime/drama.

Tribal Warfare
07-24-2008, 06:17 PM
My GOD some of you are dumber than rocks.


Says the R-tard with the sweet trike

Midnight_Vulture
07-24-2008, 06:23 PM
Haha I know I am right cause most of you cant even come back at me with a debate so you just use personal attacks haha. Classic.

Anways the first two Spidermans were INSANELY CHEESY AND CORNY. For example, the Green Goblin looked like something out of Power Rangers. It was embarrassing. Its all good though. The Spiderman films are marketed towards little kids so thats what they were going for.

The Dark Knight is superior to any other comic book film ever made. We'll have to see if Watchmen could surpass it in quality but I highly doubt as the director for that(Zac Synder) is more about style than substance.

And the X-Men films are just a flat out joke. C'mon dude, Halle Berry's acting is atrocious all around. That is not even up for debate.

I am right once again. This is too easy.

Tribal Warfare
07-24-2008, 06:30 PM
Superman comes from an age of when the world "super powers" forming during this period specifically Germany,Russia, and the U.S. . Superman during this time was a beacon of hope due to the unrest and the possible empirical take over by the Nazi's. Superman, is the guy when the shit, was gonna hit the fan would kickass and take names later when all hope was lost. Which is why he was given so many powers in the 1st place to depict that stability of security during the time of the depression, when everyone was starving to death or barely getting by.

Hence, is the reason why Superman is proclaimed as the greatest of the DC's heroes, because of that hope and security he represents. I always feel like a little kid when I watch the old Superman movies, unlike with Batman if one of his gadgets messes up or he makes a miscalculation he's f*cked.

luv
07-24-2008, 06:31 PM
Haha I know I am right cause most of you cant even come back at me with a debate so you just use personal attacks haha. Classic.


Yeah. Real classy.

UGH where do I begin with some of you idiots.:banghead:


My GOD some of you are dumber than rocks...no offense.:banghead:

Frazod
07-24-2008, 06:37 PM
I'll explain this to you once, dumbass.

There is a difference between facts and opinions.

Here's a fact: Thomas Jefferson was the third president of the United States.

Now, if say that James Madison was the third president of the United States, and you say NO RETARD IT WAS JEFFERSON, then you have proven me wrong, because Jefferson was the third president. This is documented; it can be verified.

Now, if I say The Godfather was the greatest movie ever made, and you say NO FOOL IT IS THE DARK KNIGHT, we're both right. And we're both wrong. That's because we are expressing our PERSONAL OPINIONS, which basically mean nothing to anybody but ourselves. Opinions are completely subjective and tailored to person expressing them. Some people's opinions obviously carry more weight than others to certain people. And some people certainly think their opinions carry more weight than others. But at the end of the day, opinions are like assholes. Everybody's got one, and they all stink.

Some more than others.

Any questions?

And BTW, Jenson, you were never quite this annoying, but occasionally you were close.

It will be interesting to see what Midnight Vulture ends up like when/if he ever decides to grow up.

irishjayhawk
07-24-2008, 06:43 PM
I'll explain this to you once, dumbass.

There is a difference between facts and opinions.

Here's a fact: Thomas Jefferson was the third president of the United States.

Now, if say that James Madison was the third president of the United States, and you say NO RETARD IT WAS JEFFERSON, then you have proven me wrong, because Jefferson was the third president. This is documented; it can be verified.

Now, if I say The Godfather was the greatest movie ever made, and you say NO FOOL IT IS THE DARK KNIGHT, we're both right. And we're both wrong. That's because we are expressing our PERSONAL OPINIONS, which basically mean nothing to anybody but ourselves. Opinions are completely subjective and tailored to person expressing them. Some people's opinions obviously carry more weight than others to certain people. And some people certainly think their opinions carry more weight than others. But at the end of the day, opinions are like assholes. Everybody's got one, and they all stink.

Some more than others.

Any questions?

And BTW, Jenson, you were never quite this annoying, but occasionally you were close.

It will be interesting to see what Midnight Vulture ends up like when/if he ever decides to grow up.

You suck!

Fact or opinion? :)

Frazod
07-24-2008, 06:45 PM
You suck!

Fact or opinion? :)

There are occasionally shades of gray to be dealt with. :D

luv
07-24-2008, 06:45 PM
You suck!

Fact or opinion? :)

I'd say that's a fact. An opinion would be if he's any good at it or not.

:p

Frazod
07-24-2008, 06:46 PM
I'd say that's a fact. An opinion would be if he's any good at it or not.

:p

Ow. nlm

Tribal Warfare
07-24-2008, 07:20 PM
Mark Miller interview concerning Wanted and a possible Superman reboot (http://www.denofgeek.com/comics/88459/the_den_of_geek_interview_mark_millar.html)

Jenson71
07-24-2008, 10:14 PM
And BTW, Jenson, you were never quite this annoying, but occasionally you were close.

I was never this ignorant or annoying, but I was more mean than this one. I wrote some horrible things in some of our conversations (especially the Brokeback Mountain thread) that I absolutely regret writing now some few years later. I hope you can forgive me and I hope it's evident that I have changed.

Tribal Warfare
07-24-2008, 11:17 PM
"I'm going to make this pencil disappear". BAD ASS :D


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KevB
07-24-2008, 11:27 PM
Just saw this at an IMAX theater tonight. I was completely and totally entertained like no movie I've seen in quite some time. Just a non-stop, edge of your seat thriller. I understand a few of the complaints, Batman's voice, a couple of continuity points, rushed Two Face.....but c'mon. This movie had SO much going for it I barely noticed those flaws. I was absorbed from beginning to end. I had seen the initial scene, and wondered if that was the highlight of the movie. Um, no. Just a precursor of things to come. Bottom line, I thought it was awesome, and I'd pay to see it again in the theater --- and that would be the first time I've seen a movie twice in theater.

Tribal Warfare
07-24-2008, 11:28 PM
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The interrogation scene

Frazod
07-24-2008, 11:33 PM
I was never this ignorant or annoying, but I was more mean than this one. I wrote some horrible things in some of our conversations (especially the Brokeback Mountain thread) that I absolutely regret writing now some few years later. I hope you can forgive me and I hope it's evident that I have changed.

Water under the bridge, dude. That was kind of my point. :thumb:

Tribal Warfare
07-24-2008, 11:49 PM
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The Joker's Scars

irishjayhawk
07-24-2008, 11:54 PM
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The interrogation scene

If I had one major complaint with the movie, it would be the lack of these chats throughout the film. It's easily the Joker's top two scenes in the film.

ChiefsFanatic
07-25-2008, 02:11 AM
If I had one major complaint with the movie, it would be the lack of these chats throughout the film. It's easily the Joker's top two scenes in the film.

I disagree. I think when we initially meet the Joker, along with him introducing himself to the criminals, and his "magic" trick is just as good or better.

Midnight_Vulture
07-25-2008, 12:03 PM
I still dont get the complaints about Batman's voice. He HAS to talk that way in order to distort his actual voice.

You do realize that if he just talked with his regular voice than everyone would know it was Bruce Wayne right?

But then again, a lot of you arent very bright on here so its all good.

Fried Meat Ball!
07-25-2008, 12:15 PM
I still dont get the complaints about Batman's voice. He HAS to talk that way in order to distort his actual voice.

You do realize that if he just talked with his regular voice than everyone would know it was Bruce Wayne right?

But then again, a lot of you arent very bright on here so its all good.

Thank GOD! A true movie buff is here to explain all!

PBJ

Pablo
07-25-2008, 02:47 PM
<a href="http://www.collegehumor.com/picture:1824049"><img src="http://www.collegehumor.com/pictures/1824049.jpg" border="0"><br />Think this is scary? Imagine its owner pinning this cat down to apply the necessary makeup. Chilling!</a> (from <a href="http://www.collegehumor.com/">CollegeHumor</a>)

Tribal Warfare
07-25-2008, 07:56 PM
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Joker on TV

FAX
07-25-2008, 08:05 PM
I still dont get the complaints about Batman's voice. He HAS to talk that way in order to distort his actual voice.

You do realize that if he just talked with his regular voice than everyone would know it was Bruce Wayne right?

But then again, a lot of you arent very bright on here so its all good.

ROFL

Midnight_Felcher sorting out for us the complex elements associated with establishing a dual character motif.

Thank you, Midnight_Felcher.

FAX

KcMizzou
07-25-2008, 08:08 PM
I really want to click on those Youtube clips.

I've resisted so far... gotta see the damned movie before the weekend's over. :p

FAX
07-25-2008, 08:10 PM
I really want to click on those Youtube clips.

I've resisted so far... gotta see the damned movie before the weekend's over. :p

I'm in the same leaky boat, Mr. KcMizzou. I have made every effort to avoid commercials, trailers, spoilers, posts, etc. for the last three weeks. It's getting more and more difficult. Tomorrow night's the night this madness comes to an end.

FAX

Tribal Warfare
07-25-2008, 11:25 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v23/dj_intheuk/album%203/002qkgzx.gif


I think some will get a kick out of this

Fairplay
07-25-2008, 11:38 PM
But then again, a lot of you arent very bright on here so its all good.



You are so smart, you make me tingle inside with your movie knowledge.

Gene Siskel is getting a woody in his grave i imagine.

KcMizzou
07-26-2008, 12:51 AM
I think some will get a kick out of thisThat was friggin' hilarious.

Skip Towne
07-26-2008, 09:57 AM
When did God appoint you arbiter of all that's good and bad in the world?

Compared to this pile of shit, the Planet is Norman Einstein.

KcMizzou
07-26-2008, 03:01 PM
Finally saw it today. It met my expectations... great movie. The Joker was... chilling.

Hopefully I'll have a Blu-Ray player by the time it hits DVD.

KcMizzou
07-26-2008, 10:02 PM
Another thought..

Nobody told me friggin' Debo from "Friday" was in it... :D (And he was a hero too, in his own way)

The more I think about this movie, the more i like it. I'm gonna have to catch it again.

Also... I'm anxiously awaiting the FAX review.

JuicesFlowing
07-26-2008, 10:40 PM
I finally saw The Dark Knight this evening ... it lived up to the hype, and from now on, Christian Bale is the Batman to me ... loved the intensity and more "serious" overtone of the film ... brilliant movie.

irishjayhawk
07-26-2008, 11:10 PM
Another thought..

Nobody told me friggin' Debo from "Friday" was in it... :D (And he was a hero too, in his own way)

The more I think about this movie, the more i like it. I'm gonna have to catch it again.

Also... I'm anxiously awaiting the FAX review.

And the more I think about it, the more I think Batman Begins might be better. Of course, I've seen BB many more times than DK.

KcMizzou
07-26-2008, 11:46 PM
And the more I think about it, the more I think Batman Begins might be better. Of course, I've seen BB many more times than DK.I'm watching BB again now...

Honestly, I think the two movies just... fit together very nicely.

Batman Begins has the best origin story ever for a comic film, and The Dark Knight clearly has the best villain.

I loved The Dark Knight... mainly because of the Joker. (and the message at the end... no hero)

I think the two films fit well together. Maybe they're best seen back-to-back.

That's the feeling I get, anyway...

JuicesFlowing
07-26-2008, 11:59 PM
I'm watching BB again now...

Honestly, I think the two movies just... fit together very nicely.

Batman Begins has the best origin story ever for a comic film, and The Dark Knight clearly has the best villain.

I loved The Dark Knight... mainly because of the Joker. (and the message at the end... no hero)

I think the two films fit well together. Maybe they're best seen back-to-back.

That's the feeling I get, anyway...

I just happened to rent Batman Begins on Netflix, so I'll be watching it later ... I should have watched it before going to The Dark Knight. Oh well. They are the best 2 superhero movies out there ...

irishjayhawk
07-27-2008, 12:11 AM
I'm watching BB again now...

Honestly, I think the two movies just... fit together very nicely.

Batman Begins has the best origin story ever for a comic film, and The Dark Knight clearly has the best villain.

I loved The Dark Knight... mainly because of the Joker. (and the message at the end... no hero)

I think the two films fit well together. Maybe they're best seen back-to-back.

That's the feeling I get, anyway...

Oh, no doubt they fit together nicely. And the casts are fairly even in terms of talent, I might add.

ILChief
07-27-2008, 05:58 AM
just saw it. it was great.

a couple of things I was surprised about (spoiler alert):














I really thought they were setting up Harvey/Two-Face to be the villain in the 3rd movie. I thought that would have been the way to go. Now I'm wondering who the villain in movie #3 will be (Riddler, Penguin)? The Joker would have been great to come back if not for Heath's passing.

Which brings me to the fact that there wasn't any closure with the Joker character. He was left "hanging". I really tought the character would get killed. Especially since it would have been so easy to have him fall at the end. I wonder if the original intent was for the Joker to be in part 3?

BTW, Ledger's Joker is one of the best movie villains ever.

Midnight_Vulture
07-27-2008, 06:24 AM
just saw it. it was great.

a couple of things I was surprised about (spoiler alert):














I really thought they were setting up Harvey/Two-Face to be the villain in the 3rd movie. I thought that would have been the way to go. Now I'm wondering who the villain in movie #3 will be (Riddler, Penguin)? The Joker would have been great to come back if not for Heath's passing.

Which brings me to the fact that there wasn't any closure with the Joker character. He was left "hanging". I really tought the character would get killed. Especially since it would have been so easy to have him fall at the end. I wonder if the original intent was for the Joker to be in part 3?

BTW, Ledger's Joker is one of the best movie villains ever.

Spoilers


Yes, the Joker was intended to be around for the 3rd film. I highly doubt Nolan will recast the Joker cause he wouldnt disrespect Heath like that.

WIth that being said, they will most likely set up a sceniro that the Joker is locked away forever.

As far as the next villians go, Nolan says that the Penguin is OUT OF THE QUESTION at least from what I hear. He wants to keep it realistic.

I think it will be The Riddler and I really really hope that they cast Guy Pierce for the role too.

There are also rumors that Ben Kingsley could play Mr Freeze but I think thats highly unlikely as well.

Fried Meat Ball!
07-27-2008, 07:22 AM
If you look around, there's an interview with Gary Oldman where he says (paraphrased) Nolan would recast Joker, but there may be no need for the character because of The Riddler.

Fairly certain the next villain is The Riddler.

irishjayhawk
07-27-2008, 09:04 AM
If you look around, there's an interview with Gary Oldman where he says (paraphrased) Nolan would recast Joker, but there may be no need for the character because of The Riddler.

Fairly certain the next villain is The Riddler.

Its hard to tell if he let something out of the bag and tried to recover or he was merely speculating.

I don't think he recasts the Joker but maybe. Oldman also mentioned that he's not entirely sure that a 3rd one happens with the current crew. He still has to sign on as well as Nolan.

And since Nolan is really an indie director at heart, I could see him not going for a third. It wouldn't surprise me.

Tribal Warfare
07-27-2008, 08:47 PM
http://movies.yahoo.com/mv/news/ap/20080727/121720098000.html



'Dark Knight' grosses $300M, shattering record
Sunday July 27 4:23 PM ET

LOS ANGELES (AP) "The Dark Knight" continues to obliterate box office records, crossing the $300 million mark in just 10 days.

The epic Batman saga grossed $75.6 million in its second weekend in theaters, pushing its domestic total to $314,245,000, Warner Bros. head of distribution Dan Fellman said Sunday.

That surpasses the record set in 2006 by "Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest," which took 16 days to make $300 million.

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The latest Batman installment already had broken records for best opening weekend at $158.4 million and best single-day with $66.4 million. It's also busted records in its showings on IMAX screens, making $16.3 million in its first 10 days.

Fellman expects that "Dark Knight" could reach $400 million in about 18 days, which would beat the record "Shrek 2" set in 2004 when it made that much money in 43 days.

"What can you say? We've been getting a lot of repeat business coming in," Fellman said. "Our audience is expanding, like you would expect with terrific word-of-mouth and strong reviews. Our audience is getting a little bit older, that's the good news. We're finding the younger demographic, male and female, coming back."

He called it "a big surprise," adding: "To do $300 (million) plus in 10 days, we just couldn't have predicted it."

"The Dark Knight" could pass "Titanic" as the highest-grossing film in U.S. history, said Paul Dergarabedian, president of Media By Numbers. James Cameron's 1997 extravaganza made $600,788,188 domestically, a record no other movie has come close to touching.

"The `Titanic' record has sat in a lock box for 10 years. It's a tall order but if any film has a chance to surpass that number, it's got to be `Dark Knight,'" Dergarabedian said.

Director Christopher Nolan's follow-up to his 2005 origin story "Batman Begins," which again stars Christian Bale as the tormented comic-book crime fighter, initially benefited from the mystique of the late Heath Ledger giving his masterful, last performance as the Joker, Dergarabedian said.

"Now, it's all about word-of-mouth," he said. "The first weekend, there was this huge, pent-up demand and eagerness by audiences to see this movie. Now, it's like a freight train it seems to be unstoppable."

Part of the film's visual allure comes from the fact that 30 minutes of it were shot with IMAX cameras, including an elaborate bank-heist scene at the start.

"Chris (Nolan) has clearly hit upon something," said Greg Foster, chairman and president of IMAX Filmed Entertainment. "There are many important filmmakers who we've spoken with in the last couple of weeks about shooting with IMAX cameras."

Coming in second place was "Step Brothers," which had a strong opening of its own with $30 million. The comedy reunites Will Ferrell and John C. Reilly, co-stars of "Talladega Nights: The Ballad of Ricky Bobby," as 40-year-olds who've never left home and are forced to share a bedroom when their parents get married.

Rory Bruer, head of distribution for Sony, said this was at the high end of the studio's expectations.

"We'd hoped to be in the mid-to-high $20 (millions), so to hit $30 (million) is a great start," Bruer said. "Having the chemistry of Will Ferrell and John C. Reilly together again, reuniting with (director) Adam McKay who did `Talladega Nights,' it's great. They both immerse themselves and the humor comes from their connection."

Sony also has the Will Smith superhero flick "Hancock," which made $8.2 million this past weekend to cross the $200 million mark.

The weekend's other big release was "The X-Files: I Want to Believe" which made an estimated $10.2 million. Ten years after the first "X-Files" movie and six years since the pioneering sci-fi show went off the air, this latest installment finds Mulder (David Duchovny) and Scully (Gillian Anderson) re-teaming to solve a missing-persons case.

"The hardcore `X-Files' fans, they're happy. And frankly, that's who the movie was made for," said Chris Aronson, distribution executive for 20th Century Fox.

Estimated ticket sales for Friday through Sunday at U.S. and Canadian theaters, according to Media By Numbers LLC. Final figures will be released Monday.

1. "The Dark Knight," $75.63 million.

2. "Step Brothers," $30 million.

3. "Mamma Mia!" $17.9 million.

4. "The X-Files: I Want to Believe," $10.2 million.

5. "Journey to the Center of the Earth," $9.4 million.

6. "Hancock," $8.2 million.

7. "WALL-E," $6.3 million.

8. "Hellboy II: The Golden Army," $4.9 million.

9. "Space Chimps," $4.4 million.

10. "Wanted," $2.7 million.

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http://www.mediabynumbers.com

FAX
07-27-2008, 10:42 PM
I saw the film earlier today and will see it again later in the week. Too much to take in in just one viewing. But, the main thing I came away with was a kind of stunned shock at Ledger's performance. I was very attuned to his character, obviously, and noticed that the performance was extraordinarily rich and deep. I mean that every sentence he delivered was connected to a specific emotion and a specific set of mannerisms. The thought that kept repeating itself in my mind was, "That wasn't acting. That was something else entirely ... something different ... something new."

I don't want to make more of it than what it was, but I was more than impressed. If you imagine for a minute someone else delivering those lines, you'll likely catch my meaning. An amazing, impactful job.

FAX

siberian khatru
07-27-2008, 10:47 PM
I saw the film earlier today and will see it again later in the week. Too much to take in in just one viewing. But, the main thing I came away with was a kind of stunned shock at Ledger's performance. I was very attuned to his character, obviously, and noticed that the performance was extraordinarily rich and deep. I mean that every sentence he delivered was connected to a specific emotion and a specific set of mannerisms. The thought that kept repeating itself in my mind was, "That wasn't acting. That was something else entirely ... something different ... something new."

I don't want to make more of it than what it was, but I was more than impressed. If you imagine for a minute someone else delivering those lines, you'll likely catch my meaning. An amazing, impactful job.

FAX

I finally saw it today, too, and agree with your take. Ledger's performance was stunning ... really got inside my head. I'm still thinking about it, hours later.

CrazyPhuD
07-27-2008, 11:54 PM
ROFL...I love all this talk about it becoming the all time grossing movie of all time. Sorry it's not going to happen in fact to have a chance it would have to have already reached double it's current take. It's too far behind to even come close. In fact I'll be surprised if it even reaches half the top grossing movie of all time.

Tribal Warfare
07-27-2008, 11:58 PM
ROFL...I love all this talk about it becoming the all time grossing movie of all time. Sorry it's not going to happen in fact to have a chance it would have to have already reached double it's current take. It's too far behind to even come close. In fact I'll be surprised if it even reaches half the top grossing movie of all time.



http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showpost.php?p=4873385&postcount=408

CrazyPhuD
07-28-2008, 12:17 AM
http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showpost.php?p=4873385&postcount=408

Uhhh....to have a CHANCE at the record it would ALREADY have to be at 700Mill. It's not even close to that and beyond the exponential growth area, you can expect diminishing returns It's not even going to come close. I doubt it has enough legs to even catch titantic which isn't even in the top 5 of highest grossing movies in the US.

DaneMcCloud
07-28-2008, 12:24 AM
Uhhh....to have a CHANCE at the record it would ALREADY have to be at 700Mill. It's not even close to that and beyond the exponential growth area, you can expect diminishing returns It's not even going to come close. I doubt it has enough legs to even catch titantic which isn't even in the top 5 of highest grossing movies in the US.

Are you smoking crack? Seriously?

The highest grossing film in US history is Titanic, at $600,788.00.

"The Dark Knight" has done half that in less than 2 weeks.

It's gonna break the record.

Soon.

CrazyPhuD
07-28-2008, 12:34 AM
Are you smoking crack? Seriously?

The highest grossing film in US history is Titanic, at $600,788.00.

"The Dark Knight" has done half that in less than 2 weeks.

It's gonna break the record.

Soon.

FACT: Titanic isn't the highest grossing movie in the US, hell it's not even in the top 5.

FACT: Titanic gross(in the US) was ~$900 million

FACT: The highest grossing movie of all time(in the US) is "Gone with the Wind" at ~$1.4 Billion...

$300 million is good but nowhere near the record. In fact because of how long movies stay in the theatre it is unlikely it will ever be broken.

DaneMcCloud
07-28-2008, 12:37 AM
FACT: Titanic isn't the highest grossing movie in the US, hell it's not even in the top 5.

FACT: Titanic gross(in the US) was ~$900 million

FACT: The highest grossing movie of all time(in the US) is "Gone with the Wind" at ~$1.4 Billion...

$300 million is good but nowhere near the record. In fact because of how long movies stay in the theatre it is unlikely it will ever be broken.

Excuse me, but where are you getting your numbers? Are you talking current dollars or adjusted for inflation?

Beyond that, I think your source is incorrect.

CrazyPhuD
07-28-2008, 12:44 AM
Excuse me, but where are you getting your numbers? Are you talking current dollars or adjusted for inflation?

Beyond that, I think your source is incorrect.

Current dollars which is adjusted for inflation. To quote records in the dollars used when the film was sold is completely meaningless. If they don't adjust for inflation, the most recent movie released in Zimbabwe would be the world record holder in gross even if it only sold one ticket.

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/alltime/adjusted.htm

It's one of the generally accepted sites for inflation adjusted value, even though I have questions if they separated the re releases of the Star Wars movies correctly.(wiki cites them even though I'm not a wiki fan)

Inflation has to be acounted for or the numbers are meaningless. Hell anyone who's bought gas or food in the last 6 months should know that.

DaneMcCloud
07-28-2008, 12:49 AM
Current dollars which is adjusted for inflation. To quote records in the dollars used when the film was sold is completely meaningless. If they don't adjust for inflation, the most recent movie released in Zimbabwe would be the world record holder in gross even if it only sold one ticket.

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/alltime/adjusted.htm

It's one of the generally accepted sites for inflation adjusted value, even though I have questions if they separated the re releases of the Star Wars movies correctly.(wiki cites them even though I'm not a wiki fan)

Inflation has to be acounted for or the numbers are meaningless. Hell anyone who's bought gas or food in the last 6 months should know that.

That's fine and dandy but in 2008, people don't talk about B.O. numbers in those terms.

Batman is on track to break every B.O. record. Plain and simple.

Trust me, Warner Brothers can depreciate this mother****er down to a loss.

TRUST me.

CrazyPhuD
07-28-2008, 01:14 AM
That's fine and dandy but in 2008, people don't talk about B.O. numbers in those terms.

Batman is on track to break every B.O. record. Plain and simple.

Trust me, Warner Brothers can depreciate this mother****er down to a loss.

TRUST me.

LMAO you're in marketing or PR aren't you.

Ok here's the one stat it won't touch and truthfully the one number that should be used in all the records. Actually looking deeper what that site did was probably as close as you can get. They took all the box office receipts and then normalized it to get actual ticket sales(or when ticket sales were unavailable, the estimated them appropriately(i.e. take yearly box office numbers and divide by average ticket price))).

The numbers they list represent the all time ticket sales admissions and that is the number that the new movie won't touch. Actual ticket sales. The movie studios would never use that metric because it would make all of their recent movies look bad. It would be bad marketing, so instead they use a 'record' that is guaranteed to provide modern movies with an advantage. Given the way inflation works you should expect a new record every 10-15 years(and if you look at history you'll see that).

I mean for crying out loud wasn't "Home Alone" the all time box office record holder in 1990?

Braincase
07-28-2008, 07:08 AM
I finally saw it today, too, and agree with your take. Ledger's performance was stunning ... really got inside my head. I'm still thinking about it, hours later.

Saw it Saturday night. I walked out of there stunned and curious for more. Came home, jumped on Amazon, ordered some Frank Miller graphic novels, as well as The Watchmen.

Ledger was incredible, as was just about everybody else in the cast. Hell, Anthony Michael Hall didn't make for a bad newscaster - talk about somebody that outgrew their childhood roles.

Everybody was that good. Using Maggie to replace Katie was a good choice.

And making a pencil disappear? Daaaaayum!

KcMizzou
07-28-2008, 07:12 AM
And making a pencil disappear? Daaaaayum!One of my favorite lines was in that same scene. One of the mob bosses accuses him of being crazy, and suddenly he's dead serious.

"I'm not. No... I'm not."

Like he'd heard that too many times before, and it truly bothered him.

A simple line, made into something special by fantastic delivery.

Braincase
07-28-2008, 07:13 AM
I still dont get the complaints about Batman's voice. He HAS to talk that way in order to distort his actual voice.

You do realize that if he just talked with his regular voice than everyone would know it was Bruce Wayne right?

But then again, a lot of you arent very bright on here so its all good.

No, we're not very bright at all, but we're capable of finding the apostrophe key on our keyboards.*




*Hint: It's to the left of the right-hand enter key... but then again, maybe you're using a Dvorak layout.

Demonpenz
07-28-2008, 07:48 AM
I am alittle dissapointed there hasn't been anything about the sound track no seal, no u2, no prince. . .

Midnight_Vulture
07-28-2008, 08:42 AM
FACT: Titanic isn't the highest grossing movie in the US, hell it's not even in the top 5.

FACT: Titanic gross(in the US) was ~$900 million

FACT: The highest grossing movie of all time(in the US) is "Gone with the Wind" at ~$1.4 Billion...

$300 million is good but nowhere near the record. In fact because of how long movies stay in the theatre it is unlikely it will ever be broken.

You ate paint chips as a kid right?

You cant go by inflation cause there are soooo many other factors involved nowadays. For example, movie piracy is at an all time high. They didnt have movie piracy back in the days of Gone With the Wind...or even Titanic for that matter.

Also, there is sooo much more competition nowadays. Up to 5 new films come out each week. They didnt have that kind of competition back in the days of Gone with the Wind or even Star Wars.

Now, The Dark Knight is actually on pace to break Star Wars record which I want cause I hate all those star wars nerds. However it will not have the legs to beat out Titanic. No way no how.

Keep everything into perspective. Titanic was the number 1 film for 15 straight weeks.:eek:
That will NEVER be touched ever again especially in the modern era.

I would be shocked if The Dark Knight beat out Titanic.

Midnight_Vulture
07-28-2008, 08:44 AM
I am alittle dissapointed there hasn't been anything about the sound track no seal, no u2, no prince. . .

Please tell me you are joking. You never know on this board cause there are a lot of tools on it but if you are serious then you might take the cake for biggest tool on this board.

The score was oustanding. I believe Hans Zimmer was behind it and he is a genius.

Demonpenz
07-28-2008, 08:48 AM
Please tell me you are joking. You never know on this board cause there are a lot of tools on it but if you are serious then you might take the cake for biggest tool on this board.

The score was oustanding. I believe Hans Zimmer was behind it and he is a genius.

With the previous batman's and other movies there are soundtracks that you remember. Aerozmith with armagedon, Seal with one of the batmans, I was hopeing for maybe a sherril Crow John Mayer duet, or at the very least Bread, but I was let down.

King_Chief_Fan
07-28-2008, 08:51 AM
Saw it Saturday afternoon.
By far the best Batman movie made.
Ledger was creepy, sinister, evil, good with his part.

Demonpenz
07-28-2008, 08:54 AM
Atleast bad boys 2 had nelly. The freaking previews had 50 cent in a commercial. That would have put this up a notch as the previous batman if they had like a "joker" rap with 50 cent during the credits

Joker: yeah they call me the joker, I like to play poker, and I do a bunch of stuff to people

50 cent: AWE IN THE CLUB WE GET DOWN LIKE EVER DAY NO CLOWIN WHEN WE PLAY

Joker: yeeeeaaahhhh ha ha ha ha ha ha *fake bullet shots*

Ghostface killah!: I so fly, I roll so big, people we rob and steal, I even put 22's on the batmobile

*hook*

Fried Meat Ball!
07-28-2008, 09:20 AM
Atleast bad boys 2 had nelly. The freaking previews had 50 cent in a commercial. That would have put this up a notch as the previous batman if they had like a "joker" rap with 50 cent during the credits

Joker: yeah they call me the joker, I like to play poker, and I do a bunch of stuff to people

50 cent: AWE IN THE CLUB WE GET DOWN LIKE EVER DAY NO CLOWIN WHEN WE PLAY

Joker: yeeeeaaahhhh ha ha ha ha ha ha *fake bullet shots*

Ghostface killah!: I so fly, I roll so big, people we rob and steal, I even put 22's on the batmobile

*hook*

ROFL ROFL

"You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Demonpenz again."

FAX
07-29-2008, 09:48 PM
I'm certain that most of you guys have already seen this, but in case you haven't, I thought I'd spend a post on the link. I thought it was pretty funny ...

Spoiler Alert: Although it isn't really a spoiler, per se, you probably don't want to see stuff like this before seeing the actual film.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4364920486439399337&hl=en

FAX

Priest31kc
07-29-2008, 11:30 PM
I saw it Sunday night, i loved it. Best batman movie ever, and one of my fav. movies ever. Ledger was amazing, Bale is easily the best batman ever. Im going to see it again this weekend.

Weird thing though, i told me friend about it and bragged it all up, he went to see it tonight and said it was the worst movie hes ever seen. i am so confused right now.

ChiefsFanatic
07-29-2008, 11:48 PM
I saw it Sunday night, i loved it. Best batman movie ever, and one of my fav. movies ever. Ledger was amazing, Bale is easily the best batman ever. Im going to see it again this weekend.

Weird thing though, i told me friend about it and bragged it all up, he went to see it tonight and said it was the worst movie hes ever seen. i am so confused right now.

Never speak to that no-taste douchebag again. You will be better for it.;)

DaneMcCloud
07-30-2008, 12:00 AM
LMAO you're in marketing or PR aren't you.

Ok here's the one stat it won't touch and truthfully the one number that should be used in all the records. Actually looking deeper what that site did was probably as close as you can get. They took all the box office receipts and then normalized it to get actual ticket sales(or when ticket sales were unavailable, the estimated them appropriately(i.e. take yearly box office numbers and divide by average ticket price))).

The numbers they list represent the all time ticket sales admissions and that is the number that the new movie won't touch. Actual ticket sales. The movie studios would never use that metric because it would make all of their recent movies look bad. It would be bad marketing, so instead they use a 'record' that is guaranteed to provide modern movies with an advantage. Given the way inflation works you should expect a new record every 10-15 years(and if you look at history you'll see that).

I mean for crying out loud wasn't "Home Alone" the all time box office record holder in 1990?

There is so much mumbo jumbo in this post that I don't even know what to address.

Bottom Line: Batman is on its way to breaking all box office records, regardless of inflation or your limited knowledge of ticket sales.

And no, I've never worked in marketing.

I may be a douchebag, but I'll never be a shill for the studios.

Priest31kc
07-30-2008, 02:45 AM
Never speak to that no-taste douchebag again. You will be better for it.;)

lol, he was messin with me. he said it was a good movie, but it wasnt great (it was to me). hes not a big batman fan though. but yeah, im glad he was kidding.

irishjayhawk
07-30-2008, 03:53 PM
So I saw it again. I must say that it's much, much better the second time. I was worried I'd be bored with the action when I knew the outcome. But the tension was still there. And the best part was knowing the story allowed me to see much more of the big picture.

A lot of the gripes I had since the first time don't hold up, really. Two Face had enough screen time. It didn't feel rushed. I contend that the reason it felt rushed is that everyone assumed he'd be the third movie. In that sense, it would seem rushed.

Another gripe I had was that I wanted more Joker. In actuality, there was plenty of him. I had just forgotten many of the scenes because of the soundbite qualities of some of his scenes. In fact, the craving for more Joker is a testament to Ledger's performance.

Which leads me to another complaint. I had thought that Ledger's performance, while good, was inflated because of his death. While this is still true, it is not by much. His performance is just stunning. The hype and propping of his role and the film definitely went up after his death but only a few degrees. Not as much as I had thought.

There was still the glaring continuity error when the Joker crashes Dent's fundraiser. I expect this to be in the Directors cut.

Really, the only complaint that did hold up was that there wasn't enough of Bruce Wayne - and consequently - Alfred.

All in all, it put to rest any inkling that Batman Begins was the better film. It's close but Dark Knight wins by a bigger yet close margin. I might add that Batman's voice, yet again, didn't annoy me.

FAX
07-30-2008, 04:28 PM
Glad to hear all that, Mr. irishjayhawk. For a while there, I was worried that we'd have to make you watch the director's cut of Tammy And The Doctor 12 times in a row just to recalibrate your awesometer.

FAX

Midnight_Vulture
07-30-2008, 04:29 PM
There is so much mumbo jumbo in this post that I don't even know what to address.

Bottom Line: Batman is on its way to breaking all box office records, regardless of inflation or your limited knowledge of ticket sales.

And no, I've never worked in marketing.

I may be a douchebag, but I'll never be a shill for the studios.

:banghead:

Ummmm how about NO.

Seriously, you need to know how the box office works if you want to spout off about stuff like that.

If The Dark Knight beats out Titanic domestically I WILL NEVER POST HERE AGAIN.

Believe me, I want it to be the #1 box office film ever, but it just aint happening.

As I said before, Titanic was the #1 film for 15 straight weeks.:eek:
The Dark Knight wont do that kind of numbers. It might beat out Star Wars but thats about it. Sorry.

Deberg_1990
07-30-2008, 08:43 PM
OK, finally saw the movie tonight. One word: Masterpiece.

Probably the best Action/Fantasy/sequel since "Empire Strikes Back".

Nolan really took things to a whole new level with this.

This will be hard to top.


So many things to admire in this. The script, the pacing, The whole Batman/Joker dynamic, the deep 9/11 overtones. Even Dent and Gordon had full blown character arcs.

Another thing i admired was Nolans use of practical effects work. CGI kept to a minimum and hid very well.

Just an incredible film. See it in IMAX if possible. The IMAX scenes really reel you in.

Deberg_1990
07-30-2008, 09:12 PM
I wonder if Robin will show up in the 3rd film??



Im just askin.....

SBK
07-30-2008, 09:19 PM
Personally I think it's going over $1,000,000,000 in box office receipts. Where would that put it?

Tribal Warfare
07-30-2008, 09:35 PM
I wonder if Robin will show up in the 3rd film??



Im just askin.....



If he is then that means Nolan and Bale are quitting

Tribal Warfare
08-03-2008, 09:24 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080803/ap_en_mo/box_office


Dark Knight' grabs $43.8M more, nears $400M total

By DAVID GERMAIN, AP Movie Writer Sun Aug 3, 3:16 PM ET

LOS ANGELES - Even an army of the undead could not dislodge Batman from his box-office perch.
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The Batman blockbuster "The Dark Knight" hauled in $43.8 million to rank as Hollywood's top movie for the third-straight weekend, fending off "The Mummy: Tomb of the Dragon Emperor," which opened a close second with $42.5 million.

"The Dark Knight" has soared to a $394.9 million haul in just 17 days, according to studio estimates Sunday. The Warner Bros. release should sail past the $400 million mark by Monday or Tuesday, said Dan Fellman, head of distribution for Warner.

That would be on the film's 18th or 19th day of release, another record for "The Dark Knight," which had an all-time high opening weekend of $158.4 million. The previous $400 million record-holder was "Shrek 2," which hit that mark in 43 days.

"It's a film that is just rewriting the record books every day and redefining our notions of what a blockbuster can be," said Paul Dergarabedian, president of box-office tracker Media By Numbers.

"The Dark Knight" will top $500 million, predicted Fellman, who would not speculate on whether it could approach the all-time domestic revenue record of "Titanic" at $600.8 million.

Even if it edged past that mark, "The Dark Knight" would lag behind "Titanic" in terms of actual tickets sold. Admission prices are up more than 50 percent since "Titanic" came out in 1997, according to Media By Numbers. "The Dark Knight" would have to take in about $900 million to match the number of tickets that "Titanic" sold.

In terms of revenue alone, however, "The Dark Knight" will pass the original "Star Wars," which is No. 2 behind "Titanic" with $461 million, and such hits as "Shrek 2" ($436.5 million), "E.T. the Extra-Terrestrial" ($434.9 million) and "Star Wars: Episode I The Phantom Menace" ($431.1 million).

Early anticipation over Heath Ledger's diabolical performance as Batman foe the Joker built to a frenzy in the months after the actor's death from an accidental prescription drug overdose in January.

A huge opening weekend was guaranteed, but the movie has sustained its audience from stellar reviews and audience buzz.

"The movie has grown in terms of its base audience from primarily what was conceived as a young male movie to a movie for everybody, from 8 to 80," Fellman said. "They're going to see it because of the reviews, they're going to see it because of the word of mouth. They're going just to see what it's all about, and they all like it."

"The Dark Knight" also has taken in $202.5 million overseas, opening in six more markets in August, among them Japan, France and Russia.

Universal's third "Mummy" flick sends Brendan Fraser's adventurer and his wife, played this time by Maria Bello, to China, where they battle a resurrected ancient ruler, played by Jet Li, and his undead minions.

Though it put up strong numbers, the new installment had the smallest opening of the three movies. "The Mummy" debuted with $43.4 million in 1999 and "The Mummy Returns" did $68.1 million in 2001.

Along with its $42.5 million domestic haul, the new "Mummy" tale pulled in $59.5 million in 28 countries overseas.

"The Dark Knight" almost certainly took away some business from the "The Mummy," since both movies competed for the same action crowds.

"It looked like we could do somewhere between $45 and $50 million, but no one could have foreseen the juggernaut `The Dark Knight' has become," said Nikki Rocco, head of distribution for Universal.

Disney's "Swing Vote," about a presidential election that hinges on the lone ballot of an over-the-hill slacker played by Kevin Costner, opened weakly with $6.3 million, coming in at No. 6.

Estimated ticket sales for Friday through Sunday at U.S. and Canadian theaters, according to Media By Numbers LLC. Final figures will be released Monday.

1. "The Dark Knight," $43.8 million.

2. "The Mummy: Tomb of the Dragon Emperor," $42.5 million.

3. "Step Brothers," $16.3 million.

4. "Mamma Mia!", $13.1 million.

5. "Journey to the Center of the Earth," $6.9 million.

6. "Swing Vote," $6.3 million.

7. "Hancock," $5.2 million.

8. "WALL-E," $4.7 million.

9. "The X-Files: I Want to Believe," $3.4 million.

10. "Space Chimps," $2.8 million.

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FAX
08-03-2008, 09:53 PM
Hmmm. I thought they did adjustments for ticket prices when they put these numbers together. Thanks for the post, Mr. Tribal Warfare. I learned something new once again.

FAX

Tribal Warfare
08-04-2008, 07:44 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080804/ap_on_en_mo/heath_ledger


Official: Olsen seeks immunity in Ledger probe

By TOM HAYS, Associated Press Writer Mon Aug 4, 6:25 PM ET

NEW YORK - Federal investigators want to question Mary-Kate Olsen about how Heath Ledger got two powerful painkillers that contributed to his accidental overdose death, but she's refusing to talk without immunity, a law enforcement official said Monday.


Olsen's lawyer has twice refused requests for her to speak with investigators, said the official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because the investigation was ongoing. The lawyer, Michael C. Miller, said the "Full House" actress has nothing to do with the drugs, and has already told the government everything she knows.

"We have provided the government with relevant information including facts in the chronology of events surrounding Mr. Ledger's death," Miller said in a statement Monday, "and the fact that Ms. Olsen does not know the source of the drugs Mr. Ledger consumed."

The official confirmed a report that Olsen wants a promise of immunity from prosecution before speaking to the Drug Enforcement Administration. Olsen was a close friend of Ledger's, and was the first person called by a masseuse who found the 28-year-old "Dark Knight" actor's lifeless body in his Manhattan apartment.

Authorities have obtained a subpoena that could force Olsen to appear before a grand jury if negotiations with her lawyer fail, the official said. Other potential witnesses all have answered questions voluntarily, including doctors, Ledger's ex-girlfriend Michelle Williams and anyone who was in his apartment around the time of his death, the official added.

DEA investigators suspect the painkillers oxycodone and hydrocodone found in Ledger's system were obtained with phony prescriptions or other illegal means, the official said. Oxycodone is sold as OxyContin; and hydrocodone as Vicodin.

The other drugs, including anti-anxiety medication and sleeping pills, were prescribed legally by doctors in California and Texas, the official said.

The medical examiner's office wouldn't say what concentrations of each drug was found, but made clear he was killed by the combination — not an excess of any one drug in particular. It's common for the DEA to investigate an overdose death with so many different drugs involved, spokesman Garrison Courtney said last month.

The DEA's New York office declined comment on the stalemate with Olsen, which was first reported Monday by the New York Post. There was no immediate response to a message left with a spokeswoman for Olsen.

The masseuse discovered Ledger's body on Jan. 22. Police say she spent nine minutes making three calls to Olsen before dialing 911 for help, then called the actress a fourth time after paramedics arrived. At some point during the flurry of frantic calls, Olsen, who was in California, summoned her personal security guards to the apartment to help, police said.

Shortly after the Australian-born actor's death, Olsen issued a statement that read: "Heath was a friend. His death is a tragic loss."

ilovemichaelsettle
08-04-2008, 11:06 PM
shit my man is so excited to see it too, i hope that this movie is one of heath ledgers best movies of all time! if not i swear.....:P i hope that its damn good like everyone says it is

DaneMcCloud
08-05-2008, 12:58 AM
If The Dark Knight beats out Titanic domestically I WILL NEVER POST HERE AGAIN.

Awesome.

By Labor Day, you'll be gone.

****in' Sweeeet.

ChiefsFanatic
08-05-2008, 02:17 AM
I wonder if Robin will show up in the 3rd film??



Im just askin.....

When that dork bean counter pushed those plans across at Lucius Fox, I leaned over to my niece and said "Robin" She screamed, but I was only joking. I had read that Nolan and Bale said they would not do a movie with Robin in it.

Count Zarth
08-05-2008, 06:59 AM
I'm going to see it in IMAX when I get home. Can't wait.

BigRedChief
08-05-2008, 07:06 AM
I thought this was the best Batman movie by far. Probably the best one of the genre of all time but I think the orignal Superman back in the 70's might edge it out. Being 30 years old it might be dated a little but in its time it was orginal(first to use blue screens etc).

Deberg_1990
08-05-2008, 07:30 AM
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080804/ap_on_en_mo/heath_ledger


Official: Olsen seeks immunity in Ledger probe





Hmmm...interesting..So whats Mary Kate hiding??

mcan
08-05-2008, 07:34 AM
I am SO rooting for this movie to knock Titanic off the throne.


let's all go see it again.

KcMizzou
08-05-2008, 07:36 AM
Hmmm...interesting..So whats Mary Kate hiding??He was supposedly having a rough time sleeping after the dark knight wrapped. I'm sure he was taking medication for it.

My guess is that she gave him pills that were prescribed to her as well, and the combination was a bad mix.

BigRedChief
08-05-2008, 07:55 AM
I am SO rooting for this movie to knock Titanic off the throne.


let's all go see it again.
you need to get in touch with your femine side.:)

mcan
08-05-2008, 08:02 AM
He was supposedly having a rough time sleeping after the dark knight wrapped. I'm sure he was taking medication for it.

My guess is that she gave him pills that were prescribed to her as well, and the combination was a bad mix.

Her lawyers have said that those allegations (of wanting immunity) are false. They have told the DEA that they do not know where Heath got his drugs.


It's on her (and his) wikipedia page.

CoMoChief
08-05-2008, 08:36 AM
Note to self.

To prepare for a role, don't lock yourself in a hotel room in nothing but darkness for a week.

Demonpenz
08-05-2008, 08:50 AM
Here is why batmans voice is so low


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Monday Movie Buzz: Bale's Batman voice too much?
Sunday August 3 1:44 PM ET


Though "The Dark Knight" has been a bona fide cultural event, boasting rave reviews and boffo box office, it hasn't been immune to criticism. Some have quibbled with its political undercurrents, and others have criticized a muddled theme.

But here's the critique most widely held: Why does Batman talk like the offspring of Clint Eastwood and a grizzly bear?

Donning the costume for the second time, Christian Bale has delved deeper into the lower registers. As Bruce Wayne, his voice is as smooth as his finely pressed suits. But once he puts the cape on, the transformation of his vocal chords is just as dramatic as his costume change.

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Particularly when his rage boils over, Bale's Batman growls in an almost beastly fashion, reflecting how close he teeters between do-gooder and vengeance-crazed crusader.

"The Dark Knight" hauled in $43.8 million to rank as Hollywood's top movie for the third straight weekend, fending off "The Mummy: Tomb of the Dragon Emperor" which opened a close second with $42.5 million. It has earned $394.9 million in just 17 days, according to studio estimates Sunday.

Though much of the voice effect is Bale's own doing, under the guidance of director Christopher Nolan and supervising sound editor Richard King, the frequency of his Batman voice was modulated to exaggerate the effect.

Critics and fans have noticed.

"His Batman rasps his lines in a voice that's deeper and hammier than ever," said NPR's David Edelstein.

The New Yorker's David Denby praised the urgency of Bale's Batman, but lamented that he "delivers his lines in a hoarse voice with an unvarying inflection."

Reviewing the film for MSNBC, Alonso Duralde wrote that Bale's Batman in "Batman Begins" "sounded absurdly deep, like a 10-year-old putting on an `adult' voice to make prank phone calls. This time, Bale affects an eerie rasp, somewhat akin to Brenda Vaccaro doing a Miles Davis impression."

Before the similes run too far afield, it's worth considering where the concept of a throaty Batman comes from.

In his portrayal on the `60s "Batman" TV series, Adam West didn't alter his voice between Bruce Wayne and Batman. Decades later when Tim Burton brought "Batman" to the big screen in a much darker incarnation, Michael Keaton's inflection was notably but not considerably different from one to the other.

But it was a lesser-known actor who, a few years after Burton's film, made perhaps the most distinct imprint on Batman's voice. Kevin Conroy, as the voice of the animated Batman in various projects from 1992's "Batman: The Animated Series" right up until this year's "Batman: Gotham Knight," brought a darker, raspier vocalization to Batman.

Conroy has inhabit the role longer than anyone else and though animated voice-over work doesn't have the same cachet as feature film acting, there are quarters where Conroy is viewed as the best Batman of them all certainly superior to Val Kilmer or George Clooney.

The animated series are notable because they drew on the DC Comics of Batman as envisioned by Frank Miller, whose work heavily informs "Batman Begins" and "The Dark Knight." (Bale and Nolan were unavailable to comment for this story.)

As Batman has gotten darker, his voice has gotten deeper. As some critics suggest, Bale and "The Dark Knight" may have reached a threshold, at least audibly

Sure-Oz
08-05-2008, 09:12 AM
They should've left his voice the way it was in the first one...it didnt really annoy me in the movie but i can see how it could with others

Lzen
08-11-2008, 01:24 PM
I liked more of the characters in the first one. I liked the pacing more. I liked the cinematography more. I just thought it was, in the overall context of the movie, better.

In Dark Knight, which I thought was great - don't get me wrong, I thought The Joker overpowered everything else; even Bale.

The Two-Face "transformation" was too easy; the guy was a f*cking uber Boy Scout and it only took killing his GF to turn him into a psychopathic murderer of children? Come on. That whole character was a bit superfluous. I say a BIT because in the overall plot it was necessary for The Joker to prove his point and turn the populace against Batman. It's just The Joker was so awesome and a lot of Batman's stuff was so awesome (see: escaping from the Hong Kong hi-rise via the cargo plane & zip line - holy shit that was badass!) that the Two Face character fell flat. He was a plot vehicle and nothing more. And a lazy one at that, IMO.

I just saw this Friday night. I tend to agree with your assessment, especially about Two Face. But he was pretty cool(and gross) to see. :D

Nzoner
08-11-2008, 01:30 PM
We went Saturday night to the IMAX to finally see it.Loved Ledger as The Joker and the fast pace etc.The movie won't be making my top 20 anytime soon but I'll definitely add it to the collection when it gets released.

Deberg_1990
08-11-2008, 01:33 PM
We went Saturday night to the IMAX to finally see it.Loved Ledger as The Joker and the fast pace etc.The movie won't be making my top 20 anytime soon but I'll definitely add it to the collection when it gets released.

Glad you liked it. How did you like the IMAX? Did it add anything for you?

Nzoner
08-11-2008, 01:35 PM
Glad you liked it. How did you like the IMAX? Did it add anything for you?

Let's just say it was well worth the $14 for a ticket,I can see why it's called The IMAX Experience

Fried Meat Ball!
08-11-2008, 01:59 PM
I think... and I certainly could be wrong... that the reason Two Face fell flat was because I think a strong portion of the cuts (some 30-plus minutes) were Two Face.

I think Nolan has said that this movie was more about Dent, but because of Heath's tour-de-force performance he adjusted the focus a little.

I'm very anxious to see a director's cut. Word is, there's one sitting already on an Avid. Hopefully we'll get to see it.

Pestilence
08-11-2008, 02:02 PM
Saw it for the second time on Saturday. I'd have to say that it was better the second time around. The first time I watched it I was just trying to keep up with what was all happening around me. This time I could look for all of the subtle parts of the movie. The scene where the Joker is talking to all of the mob bosses is still my favorite part of the movie.

chasedude
08-11-2008, 02:03 PM
I have yet to see this movie and I've been avoiding this thread for spoilers. I really need to go see this!

Deberg_1990
08-11-2008, 02:23 PM
I think... and I certainly could be wrong... that the reason Two Face fell flat was because I think a strong portion of the cuts (some 30-plus minutes) were Two Face.

I think Nolan has said that this movie was more about Dent, but because of Heath's tour-de-force performance he adjusted the focus a little.

I'm very anxious to see a director's cut. Word is, there's one sitting already on an Avid. Hopefully we'll get to see it.

You really felt Two Face fell flat?? I really thought they did a great job whith his character and Eckhart was great. Loved the whole "White Knight/Dark Knight" Dynamic.

Sure-Oz
08-11-2008, 02:55 PM
You really felt Two Face fell flat?? I really thought they did a great job whith his character and Eckhart was great. Loved the whole "White Knight/Dark Knight" Dynamic.

I think he was great...but they needed more footage of him and developement imo

Fried Meat Ball!
08-11-2008, 06:07 PM
I think he was great...but they needed more footage of him and developement imo

That's how I felt, for the most part. I just saw a few people her really saying the character was poorly executed - how Dent went from knight in shining armor to full-on evil just because they killed his gal Friday.

Sure-Oz
08-11-2008, 06:26 PM
That's how I felt, for the most part. I just saw a few people her really saying the character was poorly executed - how Dent went from knight in shining armor to full-on evil just because they killed his gal Friday.

Agreed....I hope there is a directors cut put out on dvd when it comes out, cause if there is missing footage it definetly needs to be there. It was way to easy for him to turn bad and the nickname just coined out of random in the movie as well was too quick with no backing.

Lzen
08-12-2008, 12:01 PM
That's how I felt, for the most part. I just saw a few people her really saying the character was poorly executed - how Dent went from knight in shining armor to full-on evil just because they killed his gal Friday.

That is pretty much what I was thinking when I saw this character turn so quickly.

DaneMcCloud
08-13-2008, 12:33 PM
The DVD & Blu-Ray release dates have been set:

December 9, 2008.

Two weeks before Christmas.

Just like I mentioned earlier in this thread.

Demonpenz
08-13-2008, 12:34 PM
I already got my dvd thank you torrent.net

irishjayhawk
08-13-2008, 12:35 PM
That's how I felt, for the most part. I just saw a few people her really saying the character was poorly executed - how Dent went from knight in shining armor to full-on evil just because they killed his gal Friday.

I felt that way the first time I saw it. The second time, when I could dive deeper into the story rather than try to follow along just to keep up, I discovered that Dent was handled perfectly.

I do, however, think we'll see more Dent and more Bruce Wayne in the directors cut. For some reason, I doubt we'll see much Joker.

Pestilence
08-13-2008, 12:40 PM
The DVD & Blu-Ray release dates have been set:

December 9, 2008.

Two weeks before Christmas.

Just like I mentioned earlier in this thread.

This might just be the first Blu-Ray DVD I buy.

Sure-Oz
08-13-2008, 12:44 PM
This might just be the first Blu-Ray DVD I buy.

Batman Begins and other bluray dvds are pretty cheap off amazon.com

Rausch
08-13-2008, 12:58 PM
Batman Begins and other bluray dvds are pretty cheap off amazon.com

My Fanboy radar blazed-on due to the Bat-hype of the film but my inner-German would sooner face further colon exams as wait 4 hours for a 2.5 hour movie.

I can suffer migraines, grandfather-hood at 31, and 10 (plus) years at an HBC without a 'ploma but some 19 year old douche screaming into his new iPhone during my $8 escape time allows the voices in my head telling me to kill dominance long enough for 38-flavors-of-****-you-up to appear in ways the Skittles think-tank hasn't even approached ...

A rainbow of homicide the next time someone throws up a flip-top-phone-light...

FAX
08-13-2008, 01:11 PM
Truthish, Mr. Rausch. Very truthish.

I went to a movie a few months ago and two kids about three rows in front of us had shoes featuring heels that light up when you move your feet. They moved their feet throughout the entire movie. Little, blinking red lights. Lots and lots of little, blinking red lights all movie long.

Honestly, I wanted to beat their parents half to death with their own kids' footwear.

FAX

Rausch
08-13-2008, 01:12 PM
Truthish, Mr. Rausch. Very truthish.

I went to a movie a few months ago and two kids about three rows in front of us had shoes featuring heels that light up when you move your feet. They moved their feet throughout the entire movie. Little, blinking red lights. Lots and lots of little, blinking red lights all movie long.

Were genocide ever practical there'd be the evidence...

Sure-Oz
08-13-2008, 02:43 PM
Were genocide ever practical there'd be the evidence...

I hear you on that one...we waited about an hour to see it and got good seats. Luckily it was a quiet theater the whole time and everyone was good. Most of the time i have to tell someone to stfu at a theater, stupid teeny bopper ****s

Tribal Warfare
09-01-2008, 01:00 AM
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080831/ap_en_mo/film_dark_knight

'Dark Knight' swings past $500 million mark

By DAVID GERMAIN, AP Movie Writer Sun Aug 31, 1:43 PM ET

LOS ANGELES (AP) Batman's rich alter-ego Bruce Wayne has added half a billion dollars to his riches. "The Dark Knight" on Sunday became the second movie in Hollywood history to top $500 million at the domestic box office, raising its total to $502.4 million, according to estimates from distributor Warner Bros.
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The film hit that mark in just over six weeks, half the time it took "Titanic," which reached $500 million in a little more than three months. "Titanic," the biggest modern blockbuster, remains No. 1 on the domestic charts with $600.8 million.

Despite its brisk pace, "The Dark Knight" is not expected to approach the total for "Titanic," which put up smaller numbers week after week but lingered at the top of the box office for months.

Dan Fellman, head of distribution at Warner Bros., said he expects "The Dark Knight" to finish at about $530 million, though it could reach $550 million if business persists as strongly as it has.

"I keep raising the number because it just keeps holding better than expected," Fellman said.

"The Dark Knight" will climb to about $505 million by Labor Day, the conclusion of Hollywood's busy summer season. That amounts to nearly one-eighth of Hollywood's overall summer revenue of $4.2 billion, which edges the previous summer record of $4.18 billion set last year, according to box-office tracker Media By Numbers.

Factoring in today's higher admission prices, "The Dark Knight" would need to take in about $900 million to match the number of tickets sold by "Titanic."

Labor Day weekend was generally sleepy at theaters, with a rush of new movies failing to find much favor with audiences. Through Sunday, Paramount's comedy "Tropic Thunder" remained No. 1 for the third straight weekend with $11.5 million.

The 20th Century Fox sci-fi thriller "Babylon A.D." with Vin Diesel debuted in second place with $9.7 million, while Overture Films' espionage drama "Traitor," starring Don Cheadle, opened at No. 5 with $7.9 million.

Premiering at No. 7 was Lionsgate's spoof flick "Disaster Movie" with $6.2 million. MGM's campus comedy "College" opened well outside the top 10 with $2.1 million.

The top 12 movies took in $75.2 million, down 23 percent from the same weekend last year, when "Halloween" opened with $26.4 million.

"This is kind of an inauspicious end to a really incredible summer," said Paul Dergarabedian, president of Media By Numbers. "We limped past the finish line."

HC_Chief
09-01-2008, 09:07 AM
Truthish, Mr. Rausch. Very truthish.

I went to a movie a few months ago and two kids about three rows in front of us had shoes featuring heels that light up when you move your feet. They moved their feet throughout the entire movie. Little, blinking red lights. Lots and lots of little, blinking red lights all movie long.

Honestly, I wanted to beat their parents half to death with their own kids' footwear.

FAX

What do you expect at Wall-E?

Braincase
09-01-2008, 09:08 AM
I bet they could get over the 600 mark if they redo the ending and kill Leonardo DeCaprio.

BigVE
09-01-2008, 09:19 AM
Truthish, Mr. Rausch. Very truthish.

I went to a movie a few months ago and two kids about three rows in front of us had shoes featuring heels that light up when you move your feet. They moved their feet throughout the entire movie. Little, blinking red lights. Lots and lots of little, blinking red lights all movie long.

Honestly, I wanted to beat their parents half to death with their own kids' footwear.

FAX



We had more irritations with the GROWN UPS this weekend than the kids. There was a couple 2 rows behind me that whispered through an entire movie, another creep in the same row as us was texting throughout the movie (he was in his late 30's...metrosexual looking). I could have punched them all in the throat but I stayed calm...nothing more irritation than paying for a movie and not being able to enjoy because of inconsiderate a-holes.