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John_Wayne
07-17-2008, 09:06 AM
My wife, of all people, asked me this question. I thought it would inspire some debate here at the CP.

jidar
07-17-2008, 09:07 AM
no. just no.

Scaga
07-17-2008, 09:07 AM
yes

Rooster
07-17-2008, 09:07 AM
He's not as frail. :skip:

Chiefnj2
07-17-2008, 09:09 AM
Nope. He was never as good as Montana.

Demonpenz
07-17-2008, 09:11 AM
Farve can still make all the nfl throws. Montana never did have a great arm but he really had below average one when he came here

ferrarispider95
07-17-2008, 09:13 AM
No, and here is why, Montana did not make the mistakes. (costly interceptions)

Didn't Farve chuck it to the other team on the first play of OT last year in the playoffs?

Demonpenz
07-17-2008, 09:15 AM
Montana we too busy being injured to make a mistake in the playoffs

Frazod
07-17-2008, 09:29 AM
I'd say Favre probably has as much left in the tank as Joe did.

Favre's ability isn't the question. When we signed Montana we had a playoff caliber team. He nearly led us to the promised land.

By the time the Chiefs are ready for the playoffs, Favre will be done. Period. Bringing him here would simply be a waste of time and whatever draft pick/picks it cost us to get him. The End.

I really wish people would stop talking about this. It's retarded.

John_Wayne
07-17-2008, 09:31 AM
Nope. He was never as good as Montana. That's not the question.

Redrum_69
07-17-2008, 09:32 AM
Montana has more rings
and has more highlights
favre has nothing to prove
except that it may take a health problem
to make him retire

John_Wayne
07-17-2008, 09:33 AM
I'd say Favre probably has as much left in the tank as Joe did.

Favre's ability isn't the question. When we signed Montana we had a playoff caliber team. He nearly led us to the promised land.

By the time the Chiefs are ready for the playoffs, Favre will be done. Period. Bringing him here would simply be a waste of time and whatever draft pick/picks it cost us to get him. The End.

I really wish people would stop talking about this. It's retarded.


I didn't ask about bringing Favre to KC. The question was simple and to the point.

Radar Chief
07-17-2008, 09:36 AM
No.

Deberg_1990
07-17-2008, 09:37 AM
Montana we too busy being injured to make a mistake in the playoffs

Thats a good point.

in 93 Montana missed 5 games(God Bless Dave Krieg)

in 94 he missed 2 games.

At least Favre doesnt miss games.

John_Wayne
07-17-2008, 09:37 AM
Sometimes I think many people on CP can't read and comprehend English or have an attention span problem.

Is Favre, right now, today, in 2008, regardless of what team he plays for, a better QB, with better talents and better physical tools and better decision making, than Montana was in 1993? It's very simple. My answer is yes he is.

Frazod
07-17-2008, 09:38 AM
I didn't ask about bringing Favre to KC. The question was simple and to the point.

Read much? I answered your question. Then I expanded on that answer regarding the Chiefs.

beach tribe
07-17-2008, 10:10 AM
I'd say Favre probably has as much left in the tank as Joe did.

Favre's ability isn't the question. When we signed Montana we had a playoff caliber team. He nearly led us to the promised land.

By the time the Chiefs are ready for the playoffs, Favre will be done. Period. Bringing him here would simply be a waste of time and whatever draft pick/picks it cost us to get him. The End.

I really wish people would stop talking about this. It's retarded.

I second this. Please make it stop

beach tribe
07-17-2008, 10:11 AM
No, and here is why, Montana did not make the mistakes. (costly interceptions)

Didn't Farve chuck it to the other team on the first play of OT last year in the playoffs?

Ding Ding Ding.

Farve has played one good season(last season) in the last half decade.

He's a gunslinging liability.

jidar
07-17-2008, 10:30 AM
Sometimes I think many people on CP can't read and comprehend English or have an attention span problem.

Is Favre, right now, today, in 2008, regardless of what team he plays for, a better QB, with better talents and better physical tools and better decision making, than Montana was in 1993? It's very simple. My answer is yes he is.

I understand what you're asking and the answer is no. He is not as good as Montana was when we acquired him. Montanas physical assets were a bit deteriorated but his mental command of the game and his decision making was still better than Farves ever was.

I mean Farve is still a good QB, but he's not the damned messiah. How quickly people forget that Farve is one season removed from an absolutely terrible terrible performance at the QB position.

Baby Lee
07-17-2008, 10:32 AM
No, and here is why, Montana did not make the mistakes. (costly interceptions)

Didn't Farve chuck it to the other team on the first play of OT last year in the playoffs?

That is exactly my take.
And yes, he not only had the OT INT last playoff, but he had 6 [SIX!!!] in a playoff game against the Rams in 200-I think it was-2.

RedNeckRaider
07-17-2008, 10:39 AM
I understand what you're asking and the answer is no. He is not as good as Montana was when we acquired him. Montanas physical assets were a bit deteriorated but his mental command of the game and his decision making was still better than Farves ever was.

I mean Farve is still a good QB, but he's not the damned messiah. How quickly people forget that Farve is one season removed from an absolutely terrible terrible performance at the QB position.

I rank some QBs ahead of Montana but as far as the ability to read a defense and go through often 5 progessions and make the smart decision, well he stands alone in that department IMO

Chiefnj2
07-17-2008, 10:47 AM
That's not the question.

I said "nope". That answered your question you half a retard.

Chiefnj2
07-17-2008, 10:48 AM
That is exactly my take.
And yes, he not only had the OT INT last playoff, but he had 6 [SIX!!!] in a playoff game against the Rams in 200-I think it was-2.

He also had an INT in the 4th quarter of the Giant game where he got lucky because the DB fumbled it trying to return the pick.

blueballs
07-17-2008, 10:50 AM
Favre is the new Ty Law

StcChief
07-17-2008, 11:10 AM
Joe was an overall better QB better decision maker etc,
didn't have the iron man and numbers still got it done....

I only see Favre in an NFC uniform...

Lzen
07-17-2008, 11:56 AM
No

OnTheWarpath58
07-17-2008, 12:12 PM
The better question is, who the **** even CARES?

Nightfyre
07-17-2008, 12:29 PM
Favre isn't half the QB Montana was. Physically, he had all the tools. However, Montana had all the intangibles. He makes great decisions. He's patient and persistent. He's an excellent leader and relatively humble. Favre only has persistent and it can be quite negative without the other traits.

RustShack
07-17-2008, 12:33 PM
Hes better at throwing interceptions.

Old Dog
07-17-2008, 01:07 PM
Is Favre a better QB in 2008 than Montana was in 1993? Yes

bkkcoh
07-17-2008, 01:08 PM
Is Favre a better QB in 2008 than Montana was in 1993? Yes


Doesn't make any difference, our offensive line in 2008 isn't as good as it was in 1993.

Otter
07-17-2008, 01:11 PM
Farve has the physical advantage most likely but Joe had the presence and poise. He elevated everyone around him.

All things being equal, I'd take Montana and never look back.

I don't want either though, I want to find out what Brodie can or can't do so the team knows where to go with the QB position.

Old Dog
07-17-2008, 01:14 PM
Doesn't make any difference, our offensive line in 2008 isn't as good as it was in 1993.

I don't think that even the most rabid Chiefs homer would argue that. I don't think there's a .000000000000001% chance that Favre plays for the Chiefs this year, and I would want him to even less than that.
I was simply answering the original posters question.

JuicesFlowing
07-17-2008, 01:17 PM
I have no idea, but if given a choice I'd take Montana.

Nightfyre
07-17-2008, 01:17 PM
I don't think that even the most rabid Chiefs homer would argue that. I don't think there's a .000000000000001% chance that Favre plays for the Chiefs this year, and I would want him to even less than that.
I was simply asking the original posters question.

On the other hand, Favre playing for the chiefs is the only thing that guarantees he retires. Either that or he comes back in a wheelchair. Can you even imagine what the wheelchair element would add to a repeat of this story?! :evil:

CoMoChief
07-17-2008, 01:18 PM
He's tougher, but Joe Montana wouldn't turn the ball over as much as Favre would.

Old Dog
07-17-2008, 01:22 PM
Didn't Montana have a buttload (for him) of interceptions the last full year prior to coming here?


Went and looked it up. He had 16 picks vs 26 TDs in 1990. He played only one game in 92 and none in 91.
Favre had 28 TDs and 15 picks last year.

chiefs1111
07-17-2008, 01:28 PM
I'd say Favre probably has as much left in the tank as Joe did.

Favre's ability isn't the question. When we signed Montana we had a playoff caliber team. He nearly led us to the promised land.

By the time the Chiefs are ready for the playoffs, Favre will be done. Period. Bringing him here would simply be a waste of time and whatever draft pick/picks it cost us to get him. The End.

I really wish people would stop talking about this. It's retarded.

Damn skippy!

CoMoChief
07-17-2008, 01:28 PM
Didn't Montana have a buttload (for him) of interceptions the last full year prior to coming here?


Went and looked it up. He had 16 picks vs 26 TDs in 1990. He played only one game in 92 and none in 91.
Favre had 28 TDs and 15 picks last year.

Montana was still more clutch later into his career than Favre is/was.

Demonpenz
07-17-2008, 01:46 PM
Yeah he was nailing recievers late in games in 91 92

Mile High Mania
07-17-2008, 05:06 PM
Montana had a lost season in 1992, his final with the 49ers...

In Y1 at KC, Joe threw for 2144 yds and 13 TDs in 11 games - the ground game had nearly 1700 yds and 14 TDs and the defense was solid. Joe made some bit of difference, but there was no difference in the win total that season.

In Y2 at KC, Joe threw for 3283 and 16 TDs in 14 games - the ground game had over 1700 yds and 12 TDs and the defense was solid. Joe had a good year and the team lost in the AFC Title game.

The Chiefs won 21 games in the 2 seasons prior to Joe and 21 games in the 2 seasons with Joe...

Favre is coming off a very solid season, he's injury free and has another year in him easily. That being said, they should trade him to Miami. :D

Joe will always have the "intangibles and fewer mistakes" factors over most QBs... but, in this scenario... I think Favre can do more for an average team than Joe did in the twilight of his career.

KCinNY
07-17-2008, 05:10 PM
Montana had a lost season in 1992, his final with the 49ers...

In Y1 at KC, Joe threw for 2144 yds and 13 TDs in 11 games - the ground game had nearly 1700 yds and 14 TDs and the defense was solid. Joe made some bit of difference, but there was no difference in the win total that season.

In Y2 at KC, Joe threw for 3283 and 16 TDs in 14 games - the ground game had over 1700 yds and 12 TDs and the defense was solid. Joe had a good year and the team lost in the AFC Title game.

Dead on assessment except that Joe took KC to the AFC title game in his first year here (Chiefs' last playoff victory). They lost in the wildcard round at Miami in his second year.

Mile High Mania
07-17-2008, 05:14 PM
Dead on assessment except that Joe took KC to the AFC title game in his first year here (Chiefs' last playoff victory). They lost in the wildcard round at Miami in his second year.

Ahhhh... my bad.

damaticous
07-17-2008, 06:26 PM
Nope. He was never as good as Montana.

:thumb:

Agreed.

I like Farve and believe he is a great quarterback and great leader and, well, any QB that can play at his level at his age is good....but (remember I'm fairly young) I can't think of a better all around QB than Montana. He was my idol and who I tried to copy while a Varsity QB in HS, so I'm a little biased. :)

ChiefsCountry
07-17-2008, 08:05 PM
Favre is more like Elway at the end instead of Montana.

DT58HOF
07-17-2008, 08:43 PM
Favre in his prime was not better than Montana in 93 or 94
one word INTERCEPTIONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Deberg_1990
07-17-2008, 09:09 PM
Montana had a lost season in 1992, his final with the 49ers...



Actually Montana didnt play at all in 1991 and played one mopup game at the end of 92. He didnt play any real football for nearly 2 1/2 years before he came to KC in 93.

Mecca
07-17-2008, 09:13 PM
Um, it depends what your idea is.....

At the end of their careers as this question pertains to, Favre has more. He hasn't declined very much physically, all of his talents are still there.

Montana wasn't the most durable guy to begin with and it worsened as he aged, his years here were basically him being a shell of what he once was, he wasn't bad but he wasn't that player anymore. That Chiefs team was going to the playoffs with or without Montana it was carried by the defense.

Montana gets alot of credit when he had one of the best supporting casts that any QB has ever had...if you put him in situations other elite QB's dealt with there is serious question if he'd be remembered like he is.

Deberg_1990
07-17-2008, 09:24 PM
That Chiefs team was going to the playoffs with or without Montana it was carried by the defense.




Forgotton about 93 was how Krieg came in and saved the season. Montana only played in 11 games that year.

Montana was magical of course in the playoffs. Imagine that, when a QB plays well in the playoffs you win games!!