PDA

View Full Version : Music Favorite era of Black Sabbath?


chiefs1111
07-19-2008, 10:46 PM
I assume most everyone would say Ozzy era is the best.... I also however enjoy the Dio era stuff as well...... what about you?

StcChief
07-19-2008, 10:48 PM
original Black Sabbath...1-volume 4. what I grew up hearing.

Bugeater
07-19-2008, 11:32 PM
Dio "era" was only two albums. It's not really a fair comparison.

Nzoner
07-19-2008, 11:37 PM
I have everything by them with Ozzy,they were one of my absolute favs growing up,even got to see them live in 1978 with a newer opening act that called themselves Van Halen.What a show!

chiefs1111
07-19-2008, 11:43 PM
Dio "era" was only two albums. It's not really a fair comparison.

Well actually there was 3 albums Heaven and Hell, Mob Rules and Dehumanizer.

DaneMcCloud
07-19-2008, 11:52 PM
Well actually there was 3 albums Heaven and Hell, Mob Rules and Dehumanizer.

As well as the three new songs on the latest "Best Of" AND they're doing a brand new record as "Heaven and Hell".

As much as "Paranoid" was a groundbreaking, amazing record, I'm going to have to go with Dio era.

For one, it's much more difficult to duplicate. I love "Electric Funeral" but bands like Alice in Chains (specifically) have been able to rip off that era quite easily (as has Soundgarden, among many others).

No one has matched the dynamics and intensity of the Dio years.

IMHO.

But truth be told, it's like choosing a favorite child. Both are unbelievably awesome, awe-inspiring and unmatched in the world of heavy, original music.

chiefs1111
07-20-2008, 12:45 AM
As well as the three new songs on the latest "Best Of" AND they're doing a brand new record as "Heaven and Hell".

As much as "Paranoid" was a groundbreaking, amazing record, I'm going to have to go with Dio era.

For one, it's much more difficult to duplicate. I love "Electric Funeral" but bands like Alice in Chains (specifically) have been able to rip off that era quite easily (as has Soundgarden, among many others).

No one has matched the dynamics and intensity of the Dio years.

IMHO.

But truth be told, it's like choosing a favorite child. Both are unbelievably awesome, awe-inspiring and unmatched in the world of heavy, original music.

I liked the 3 new Heaven and Hell songs, and I think they are going to do a new studio album together,so i will be looking forward to that....

DaneMcCloud
07-20-2008, 12:57 AM
I liked the 3 new Heaven and Hell songs, and I think they are going to do a new studio album together,so i will be looking forward to that....

I'm glad you liked them because they did kick serious ****ing ass.

BTW, that's what I stated in my opening line :p

I'm very much looking forward to the new record as well.

Reaper16
07-20-2008, 01:23 AM
Ozzy era is my fav, barely. There are a whole lot of unlauded songs from that era that just ****ing rule. That said, I love the Dio era.

Nzoner
07-20-2008, 02:08 AM
I need a favor please,after reading these comments on Dio I have to admit I gave up on Sabbath after Heaven & Hell.Don't get me wrong I like the album but I guess I was just too hooked on Ozzy's vocals and Sabbath ended at that time for me.

I'm going to list a few of my fav Sabbath songs and other than the Heaven & Hell album(which I have)I'd like some suggestions on which Dio w/Sabbath songs I should listen to.

Megalomania
Who Are You
After Forever
The Wizard
Symptom Of The Universe
NIB
Wheels Of Confusion

DaneMcCloud
07-20-2008, 02:16 AM
I need a favor please,after reading these comments on Dio I have to admit I gave up on Sabbath after Heaven & Hell.Don't get me wrong I like the album but I guess I was just too hooked on Ozzy's vocals and Sabbath ended at that time for me.

I'm going to list a few of my fav Sabbath songs and other than the Heaven & Hell album(which I have)I'd like some suggestions on which Dio w/Sabbath songs I should listen to.

Megalomania
Who Are You
After Forever
The Wizard
Symptom Of The Universe
NIB
Wheels Of Confusion

Neon Knights
Lady Evil
Children of the Sea
Mob Rules
Heaven & Hell
Sign of the Southern Cross
TV Crimes
Die Young

And the new songs:

The Devil Cried
Shadow of the Wind
Ear in the Wall

Nzoner
07-20-2008, 02:22 AM
Neon Knights
Lady Evil
Children of the Sea
Mob Rules
Heaven & Hell
Sign of the Southern Cross
TV Crimes
Die Young

And the new songs:

The Devil Cried
Shadow of the Wind
Ear in the Wall

Like I said in my post I have H & H so the 1st 4 of 5 I'm more than familiar with as I am Mob Rules because I just realized it's on the Heavy Metal Soundtrack but I'll check the others out,thanks.

DaneMcCloud
07-20-2008, 02:26 AM
Like I said in my post I have H & H so the 1st 4 of 5 I'm more than familiar with as I am Mob Rules because I just realized it's on the Heavy Metal Soundtrack but I'll check the others out,thanks.

No prob!

You may never like them as much as Ozzy era Sabbath (there's always that personal connection - which of course is what music is all about!) but they are great songs and Dio's voice is in top form.

Enjoy!

Huffman83
07-20-2008, 06:57 AM
The first 4 Sabbath albums are excellent...however...I do like the Dio.

Nightwish
07-20-2008, 11:53 AM
1. Dio
2. Ian Gillian
3. Ozzy

Note: the Gillian "era" was only one album, but it was an awesome album!

Boon
07-20-2008, 12:37 PM
Ozzy era for me.

Shit was ground breaking when it came out.
Heavy, doomy, gloomy, boozy, bluesy, etc., etc.

Nzoner
07-20-2008, 12:41 PM
I checked out a couple other of the Dio songs and although good I'm staying with Ozzy as my #1,Symptom Of The Universe is just one reason why,Ozzy's vocals and the music at about 4:25 of the video are classic Sabbath.

<object height="344" width="425">

<embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/yNHC0KvEMPY&hl=en&fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowfullscreen="true" height="344" width="425"></object>

Nightwish
07-20-2008, 12:59 PM
Ozzy era for me.

Shit was ground breaking when it came out.
Heavy, doomy, gloomy, boozy, bluesy, etc., etc.
It's the "bluesy" part that mostly kills it for me in the Ozzy era. Bluesy just doesn't work for me in metal.

Boon
07-20-2008, 01:06 PM
It's the "bluesy" part that mostly kills it for me in the Ozzy era. Bluesy just doesn't work for me in metal.

Heavy metal (often referred to simply as metal) is a genre of rock music[1] that developed in the late 1960s and early 1970s, largely in the United Kingdom and the United States.[2] With roots in blues-rock and psychedelic rock, the bands that created heavy metal developed a thick, massive sound, characterized by highly amplified distortion, extended guitar solos, and emphatic beats.



The rest is here.................................> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heavy_metal_music

Nightwish
07-20-2008, 01:28 PM
Heavy metal (often referred to simply as metal) is a genre of rock music[1] that developed in the late 1960s and early 1970s, largely in the United Kingdom and the United States.[2] With roots in blues-rock and psychedelic rock, the bands that created heavy metal developed a thick, massive sound, characterized by highly amplified distortion, extended guitar solos, and emphatic beats.



The rest is here.................................> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heavy_metal_music
There's a difference between being blues-based, and being bluesy. Most metal incorporates blues only in the most rudimentary manner, so that it doesn't really stand out in such a way that the average listener is going to say, "Hey, that sounds like blues!" The adjective "bluesy," however, generally indicates music that overly emphasizes the blues component. Whole both Testament and Great White play heavy metal that has a blues-based component, nobody is going to describe Testament as "bluesy," while that adjective is commonly used to describe the music of Great White.

Reaper16
07-20-2008, 05:33 PM
Heavy metal (often referred to simply as metal) is a genre of rock music[1] that developed in the late 1960s and early 1970s, largely in the United Kingdom and the United States.[2] With roots in blues-rock and psychedelic rock, the bands that created heavy metal developed a thick, massive sound, characterized by highly amplified distortion, extended guitar solos, and emphatic beats.



The rest is here.................................> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heavy_metal_music
Just... don't. Don't rely on Wikipedia info for metal.

Reaper16
07-20-2008, 05:34 PM
I checked out a couple other of the Dio songs and although good I'm staying with Ozzy as my #1,Symptom Of The Universe is just one reason why,Ozzy's vocals and the music at about 4:25 of the video are classic Sabbath.
Symptom of the Universe and Megalomaniac are probably my two favorite Sabbath songs, and the reason why the Ozzy era is my favorite.

KCUnited
07-20-2008, 09:01 PM
Just... don't. Don't rely on Wikipedia info for metal.

+1.

Boon
07-20-2008, 09:21 PM
Preferred sources??

Fishpicker
07-20-2008, 09:35 PM
I like everything Black Sabbath did with Geezer in the Band. Once he left, the quality of the music and lyrics nosedived. I think Black Sabbath sounded best during the Dio era. the overall sound of the band is more robust. Sabbath utilized Geoff Nichols' keyboarding more than previously.

Born Again is a very underrated album, it wasn't mixed right but Gillan sounded great. that was the second Sabbath album I bought (I bought it soon after release when I was 9) I hated back then but it grew on me. Seventh Star isn't too bad either, it's different.

I didn't like any of the Sabbath albums with Tony Martin.

Reaper16
07-20-2008, 10:07 PM
Preferred sources??
Me. It's easier that way.

Boon
07-20-2008, 10:07 PM
Gotcha!

Nightwish
07-20-2008, 10:12 PM
Me. It's easier that way.
Normally I would sneer at a poster who responded like that, but on this topic, I concur.

alpha_omega
07-21-2008, 09:20 AM
As era's go...i would have to say Ozzy..."The Wizard" and "Fairies Wear Boots" are two of my all time favorite tunes.

That being said.... "Heaven and Hell" is the Sabbath album i listen to most...

pikesome
07-21-2008, 09:27 AM
Normally I would sneer at a poster who responded like that, but on this topic, I concur.

Even though I'm not sure how much weight my opinion counts on this issue, I concur.

I'm still in favor of the Ozzy years though, Dio wasn't bad but... it wasn't the same. If they had just renamed the band "Something Besides Black Sabbath" I'm sure I'd feel different.

Nzoner
07-21-2008, 09:53 AM
Even though I'm not sure how much weight my opinion counts on this issue, I concur.

I'm still in favor of the Ozzy years though, Dio wasn't bad but... it wasn't the same. If they had just renamed the band "Something Besides Black Sabbath" I'm sure I'd feel different.

Personally,this is why I love music topics,because I'm interested in everyone's opinions,and speaking of the Ozzy years I've been scouring You Tube and have realized I'm going to have to add more Sabbath to the ipod,like this great tune

Sabbra Cadabra
<object height="344" width="425">

<embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/NPdkeJWpvd0&hl=en&fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowfullscreen="true" height="344" width="425"></object>

Radar Chief
07-21-2008, 10:40 AM
Ozzy, yea definitely Ozzy. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFY6_0QPEpU)

Jawshco
07-21-2008, 11:22 AM
1. Dio
2. Ian Gillian
3. Ozzy

Note: the Gillian "era" was only one album, but it was an awesome album!


Born Again is a very good album musically, but it's probably the one I was most dissappointed in. Tony's riff on Zero the Hero is stinking fantastic! I think it may be his best on just pure rocktitude, but those god awful lyrics that Ian sings just ruin that song. Bands rarely do a redo on their own song, but that riff is so good that they should. Keep the verse, toss that stupid chorus and make the coolest Sabbath song ever. I'd also put Digital Bitch in this category as well. - Still a rocking album though and Ian does sound good.

All in all, I'd have to say based purely on the songs and not who's sing them, the Ozzy Era was the best. That's not entirely due to Ozzy, but rather more to do with the music Tony, Geezer and Bill were creating. In fact, Geezer Butler has said many times that it was he and not Ozzy that wrote the majority of their lyrics. He said that if they left Ozzy to write them that there wouldn't have been any lyrics. And when Ozzy did sing, he just chanted along with the guitar. Whereas, Dio actually sang, composed, and wrote all of his own lyrics. I won't say I don't like Ozzy. His moanful sounding voice was perfect for the band's sound, but Black Sabbath certainly didn't live and die by Ozzy. At least that's my opinion.

There have been a few "other" singers in Sabbath. Most have been completely forgettable, but there was actaully a few songs I liked by Tony Martin. I had a few of his albums and there were some good songs on TYR (like Jerusalem), and some on Broken Cross (Well, something cross anyway...).
But none of his albums seemed like Black Sabbath to me. Did any one every see Tony Martin live with Sabbath? I wonder if they even played any of the classic Sabbath songs. That might be interesting to hear.

Oh, I saw Heaven and Hell last year! They were so stinking awesome! The headlined along with Queensryche and Alice Cooper. It was an extremely long concert and every one of the bands hit an absolute home run that night, but H&H was by far the star of the show. Extremely tight musically and the set was amazing. Dio doesn't sound like he's aged a bit. I actually hit notes in his range that I didn't know he had. He did this screech on Mob Rules that was unbelievable. Dio is like the opposite of Robert Plant, he's actually gotten better with age. LOL! If H&H do put out a CD, I'll definitely buy it. I already have the DVD, and Dio Years album.

Fishpicker
07-21-2008, 12:51 PM
There have been a few "other" singers in Sabbath. Most have been completely forgettable, but there was actaully a few songs I liked by Tony Martin. I had a few of his albums and there were some good songs on TYR (like Jerusalem), and some on Broken Cross (Well, something cross anyway...).
But none of his albums seemed like Black Sabbath to me. Did any one every see Tony Martin live with Sabbath? I wonder if they even played any of the classic Sabbath songs. That might be interesting to hear.



<object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/A4E_yrILHcM&hl=en&fs=1"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/A4E_yrILHcM&hl=en&fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object>
children of the sea with Tony Martin

<object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/pfCbpfXYxVM&hl=en&fs=1"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/pfCbpfXYxVM&hl=en&fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object>
Changes w/ tony martin

My friend had tickets to see Sabbath w/Dio in '92 (or somewhere around then) Dio fell out with the band again and Tony Martin took over. that happened a week before the concert my friend was going to. He was so pissed he just tore the tickets up.

as bad as Martin was, he sounded better than Gillan and Rob Halford when they performed live with Sabbath

Nightwish
07-21-2008, 03:06 PM
Born Again is a very good album musically, but it's probably the one I was most dissappointed in. Tony's riff on Zero the Hero is stinking fantastic! I think it may be his best on just pure rocktitude, but those god awful lyrics that Ian sings just ruin that song. Bands rarely do a redo on their own song, but that riff is so good that they should. Keep the verse, toss that stupid chorus and make the coolest Sabbath song ever. I'd also put Digital Bitch in this category as well. - Still a rocking album though and Ian does sound good.
I agree on both counts. Great songs, but the lyrics left something to be desired.

Oh, I saw Heaven and Hell last year! They were so stinking awesome! The headlined along with Queensryche and Alice Cooper. It was an extremely long concert and every one of the bands hit an absolute home run that night, but H&H was by far the star of the show. Extremely tight musically and the set was amazing. Dio doesn't sound like he's aged a bit. I actually hit notes in his range that I didn't know he had. He did this screech on Mob Rules that was unbelievable. Dio is like the opposite of Robert Plant, he's actually gotten better with age. LOL! If H&H do put out a CD, I'll definitely buy it. I already have the DVD, and Dio Years album.
I saw that tour, too, when it hit St. Charles. It was awesome from start to finish. It's hard to say who was best, because each band shined in its own forte. Queensryche was musically the tightest, but the showmanship was a little nondescript. Alice Cooper definitely stole the show in terms of showmanship, as everyone expected he would. H&H was much tighter than Alice musically, and much better than Queensryche in show (nobody can command a stage like Iommi - he's just got an elegant stage presence like no other), so they probably had the best overall performance. Still, I'd say Alice was the most memorable. This year, H&H is heading out (to the highway) with Judas Priest and Testament. That'll be another show to die for, especially if Skolnick is performing again with Testament, as I've heard he is! I met him after a TSO show one year - very, very awesomely nice guy!

Nightwish
07-21-2008, 03:10 PM
as bad as Martin was, he sounded better than Gillan and Rob Halford when they performed live with Sabbath
Yeah, as much as I love Rob Halford (damn near worship the guy), his voice doesn't mesh with Sabbath's style, sad to say.

***SPRAYER
07-21-2008, 03:16 PM
I assume most everyone would say Ozzy era is the best.... I also however enjoy the Dio era stuff as well...... what about you?


I'm going to see Motorhead, Sabbath and Judas Priest in a few weeks.

Nightwish
07-21-2008, 03:17 PM
I'm going to see Motorhead, Sabbath and Judas Priest in a few weeks.
Oh yeah, I forgot Motorhead is going out with them for the first part of the tour. They are getting replaced by Testament at some point, but I'm not sure when.

Frosty
07-21-2008, 03:26 PM
I was a huge Rainbow fan in high school and sort of followed Dio over to Black Sabbath. Saw them in Portland on the "Heaven and Hell" tour. :thumb: I was also a fan of Ozzy's solo stuff by then and, for some reason, never really got into the Ozzy era Sabbath (though I have heard most of it). I haven't listened to any of the post-Dio Sabbath.

Jawshco
07-21-2008, 04:50 PM
I agree on both counts. Great songs, but the lyrics left something to be desired.


I saw that tour, too, when it hit St. Charles. It was awesome from start to finish. It's hard to say who was best, because each band shined in its own forte. Queensryche was musically the tightest, but the showmanship was a little nondescript. Alice Cooper definitely stole the show in terms of showmanship, as everyone expected he would. H&H was much tighter than Alice musically, and much better than Queensryche in show (nobody can command a stage like Iommi - he's just got an elegant stage presence like no other), so they probably had the best overall performance. Still, I'd say Alice was the most memorable. This year, H&H is heading out (to the highway) with Judas Priest and Testament. That'll be another show to die for, especially if Skolnick is performing again with Testament, as I've heard he is! I met him after a TSO show one year - very, very awesomely nice guy!

You're right Cooper hasn't lost bit of this talent either. He was definitely amazing, and I believe that it was Eric Singer (formerly of KISS) that was drumming for him. The drum solo I saw had two guitarists joining him. It was amazing. Of course, Vinnie Appice's solo was a amazing too! And did you see Bill Ward at that show? At the show in Fresno, Bill was sitting right across from me in the sound booth. I was suprised to see him there. I was hoping he'd get up on stage, but he never did. Also, did you hear Queensryche do their cover of Welcome to the Machine? I thought they sounded amazing on that. I thought Queensrche was a little subtle in their Performance, and didn't get to see the Dio/Tate duet that I wanted to see, but the old one is on Youtube I guess...

Man, Testament, Priest and H&H would be fantastic. I'll have to check if that's coming near me. Motorhead would be great too. Would be cool to see Scholnick back with Testament.

I'm a sucker for Sabbath covers. I love Halford covering "the Wizard," and I think I've heard him do a version of "Children of the Grave" that was pretty great too. The covers I love best though is Bruce Dickinson doing "Sabbath, Bloody Sabbath," Faith No More doing "War Pigs" (from the Real Thing album not the awful live version), and System of Down doing their bizarre version of "Snowblind"...cracks me up when Serj says "Cookie!"

Extra Point
07-21-2008, 05:13 PM
original Black Sabbath...1-volume 4. what I grew up hearing.
Sweet Leaf: All time favorite tune of theirs. Sure, the other stuff was good, but the (fuzz) bass line was great. Uh-HUH-Uh-HUH-Uh-HUH-Uh-Huh!

I did enjoy "Sabbath Bloody Sabbath," and "Sabotage."

Ronnie James Who?

Jawshco
07-21-2008, 07:18 PM
<object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/A4E_yrILHcM&hl=en&fs=1"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/A4E_yrILHcM&hl=en&fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object>
children of the sea with Tony Martin

<object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/pfCbpfXYxVM&hl=en&fs=1"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/pfCbpfXYxVM&hl=en&fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object>
Changes w/ tony martin

My friend had tickets to see Sabbath w/Dio in '92 (or somewhere around then) Dio fell out with the band again and Tony Martin took over. that happened a week before the concert my friend was going to. He was so pissed he just tore the tickets up.

as bad as Martin was, he sounded better than Gillan and Rob Halford when they performed live with Sabbath


That's awesome, thanks! Martin sounds great on Children of the Sea, actually quite a bit like Dio. Wasn't too thrilled with Changes, but that's one of my least favorite Sabbath songs anyway.

kregger
07-21-2008, 08:06 PM
Got to see Sabbath on the Technical Ecstacy tour at Memorial Hall in KCK. That album wasn't the best, but the boys were on that night. Geezer and Bill were an amazing rhythm section live. Tony is always top notch and Ozzy put on a good frontman show. They did play a lot of Sabbath Bloody Sabbath and Paranoid which was what we were hoping to hear. Sweet Leaf and NIB are two of my early faves.
Saw H&H and Mob Rules tours with Dio and both were awesome. I love RJD as a vocalist, one of the best metal voices evah. I've liked him since ELF and am still amazed that he can sing like that to this day.

Simply Red
07-21-2008, 08:23 PM
none

Extra Point
07-21-2008, 08:37 PM
Got to see Sabbath on the Technical Ecstacy tour at Memorial Hall in KCK. That album wasn't the best, but the boys were on that night. Geezer and Bill were an amazing rhythm section live. Tony is always top notch and Ozzy put on a good frontman show. They did play a lot of Sabbath Bloody Sabbath and Paranoid which was what we were hoping to hear. Sweet Leaf and NIB are two of my early faves.
Saw H&H and Mob Rules tours with Dio and both were awesome. I love RJD as a vocalist, one of the best metal voices evah. I've liked him since ELF and am still amazed that he can sing like that to this day.

Thanks for passing me the doob at the show at Memorial, man!

chiefs1111
07-21-2008, 08:40 PM
I just listened to Sign Of The Southern Cross, very awesome song....

kregger
07-21-2008, 08:57 PM
Thanks for passing me the doob at the show at Memorial, man!

LMAO could have been, but I think we had a hash pipe.

Extra Point
07-21-2008, 09:21 PM
LMAO could have been, but I think we had a hash pipe.
OK. I filed that under CFR.

***SPRAYER
07-22-2008, 01:27 PM
Oh, I saw Heaven and Hell last year! They were so stinking awesome! The headlined along with Queensryche and Alice Cooper. It was an extremely long concert and every one of the bands hit an absolute home run that night, but H&H was by far the star of the show. Extremely tight musically and the set was amazing. Dio doesn't sound like he's aged a bit. I actually hit notes in his range that I didn't know he had. He did this screech on Mob Rules that was unbelievable. Dio is like the opposite of Robert Plant, he's actually gotten better with age. LOL! If H&H do put out a CD, I'll definitely buy it. I already have the DVD, and Dio Years album.


How come they're not using the Black Sabbath name any more?

Nightwish
07-22-2008, 06:32 PM
How come they're not using the Black Sabbath name any more?
To avoid confusion. Both lineups still tour occasionally, so they tour under the Black Sabbath name when they tour with Ozzy and Bill Ward, and under the H&H name when they tour with Dio and Vinnie Appice. When they first took on the H&H name, they were touring both lineups at the same time.