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Deberg_1990
07-20-2008, 05:32 PM
1. Solidify the offensive line
2. Get Croyle comfortable
3. Re-establish Larry Johnson as the featured back
4. Make Tamba Hali the man
5. Make good special-teams decisions



http://www.kansascity.com/sports/story/712184.html


1. Solidify the offensive line

The Chiefs canít afford to have this area drag them down to the depths as it did last season. With three new starters in Branden Albert, Rudy Niswanger and Adrian Jones and a fourth in a new position in Damion McIntosh, itís essential that they work together in practice as much as possible. Otherwise, chances for dramatic improvement are slim.

2. Get Croyle comfortable

The Chiefs must play to the strengths of quarterback Brodie Croyle in their new offensive system. Croyle lost all of his starts last season and didnít have much personal success, so his confidence isnít soaring. They need him going into the season feeling good about himself. If heís not, he could struggle at the first hint of trouble.

3. Re-establish Larry Johnson as the featured back

With his holdout, offensive-line troubles and his broken foot, last season was a nightmare for Johnson. Itís no coincidence the Chiefs lost all eight games without him. Their hopes for dramatic improvement hinge on their ability to do what Johnson did so well in 2005 and 2006: Give opposing defenses something to fear.

4. Make Tamba Hali the man

The Chiefs wonít ask Hali to replace all of the sack production lost when they traded Jared Allen. But much of their hope for defensive improvement hinges on Haliís ability to reach double digits in sacks. He has the skills. He, not Allen, led the Chiefs in sacks in 2006. But he needs to finish better. He lost some sacks last season when he let the QB out of his grasp.

5. Make good special-teams decisions

The Chiefs made bad choices last year when they picked Eddie Drummond to return kickoffs and punts, and first Justin Medlock and later Dave Rayner as their place-kicker. They need this yearís return specialist, either B.J. Sams or rookie Kevin Robinson, to provide better field position and the occasional touchdown. They need their kicker, Nick Novak or Connor Barth, to be far more dependable.

evolve27
07-20-2008, 05:49 PM
Teicher knows all:whackit:.

JuicesFlowing
07-20-2008, 05:50 PM
The place-kicker scenario and O-line concern me. Brodie and LJ will be fine, well ... that is if our O-line plays well. From all the hype, I'm kind of expecting Dorsey to be "the man" ...

DaneMcCloud
07-20-2008, 06:18 PM
Clearly, Teicher is delusional and acts as if the Chiefs will win 10 games this year.

They'll be lucky to win 4.

And since Croyle's never been "fine", I just hope he stays healthy enough to determine whether or not he can even play in the NFL.

Bowser
07-20-2008, 06:20 PM
He forgot the "Treade for Brett Favre" part.

dshyne101
07-20-2008, 06:29 PM
Im Not Worried Bout LJ At All I Think He Is Gonna Be In Rare Form This Season With So Many People Doubting Him This Year.

beach tribe
07-20-2008, 06:32 PM
Im Not Worried Bout LJ At All I Think He Is Gonna Be In Rare Form This Season With So Many People Doubting Him This Year.

:hmmm:

Skip Towne
07-20-2008, 06:36 PM
:hmmm:

You just gotta get him pissed off.

beach tribe
07-20-2008, 06:40 PM
You just gotta get him pissed off.

LJ, or dshyne?. I was just curious as to the format of his post.

Mecca
07-20-2008, 06:40 PM
Are people still not ready to come to terms with the fact that LJ is on the downside of his career?

milkman
07-20-2008, 06:43 PM
I agre with the first one, the Chiefs must solidify the line, but I disagree with the overall gist,

To solidify the line, you must first ensure you have the best players playing together, and I don't believe that McIntosh and Jones fit the bill.

beach tribe
07-20-2008, 06:46 PM
Are people still not ready to come to terms with the fact that LJ is on the downside of his career?

Typical.


LJ is not going to be used the way he once was. We have a stable of backs.

LJ's career was lengthened with the addition of Charles.

What people don't seem to understand, including you, is that he's never going to look the same without that line, but he still has a few very productive years left in him.

Guru
07-20-2008, 06:48 PM
Clearly, Teicher is delusional and acts as if the Chiefs will win 10 games this year.

They'll be lucky to win 4.

And since Croyle's never been "fine", I just hope he stays healthy enough to determine whether or not he can even play in the NFL.
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SBK
07-20-2008, 06:48 PM
Should have been--
Carl stays on vacation
Carl stays on vacation
Carl stays on vacation
Carl stays on vacation
Carl decides to retire

Mecca
07-20-2008, 06:50 PM
Typical.


LJ is not going to be used the way he once was. We have a stable of backs.

LJ's career was lengthened with the addition of Charles.

What people don't seem to understand, including you, is that he's never going to look the same without that line, but he still has a few very productive years left in him.

He's never going to look the same after 400 carries....lengthened his career my ass, they might aswell have took him out to pasture and shot him with what they did to him to make the playoffs and lose.

Larry Johnson is alot more likely to resemble Eddie George and Shaun Alexander than he is his old self, he's getting to that point.

beach tribe
07-20-2008, 06:53 PM
He's never going to look the same after 400 carries....lengthened his career my ass, they might aswell have took him out to pasture and shot him with what they did to him to make the playoffs and lose.

Larry Johnson is alot more likely to resemble Eddie George and Shaun Alexander than he is his old self, he's getting to that point.

ROFL You're so associated with worst case scenario in my mind, that nothing you say really has any bearing.

Mecca
07-20-2008, 06:55 PM
Um with that position, it's a pretty realistic and a likely thought, RB's don't get better when they age and get overworked and get injured...

400 carry history said he was going to get injured last year and well...

The position is a dime a dozen with 95% of them having short shelf lives, you're smart to just draft one use him and walk away when his contract is up.

StcChief
07-20-2008, 07:00 PM
Um with that position, it's a pretty realistic and a likely thought, RB's don't get better when they age and get overworked and get injured...

400 carry history said he was going to get injured last year and well...

The position is a dime a dozen with 95% of them having short shelf lives, you're smart to just draft one use him and walk away when his contract is up.ala Donxs... hoping that they can plug and play a RB each play/year....

our OL says otherwise, they employee cut blocks as their approach....

LJ/Charles/Smith share the load behind a gelled OL. best we can hope to do....

beach tribe
07-20-2008, 07:02 PM
Um with that position, it's a pretty realistic and a likely thought, RB's don't get better when they age and get overworked and get injured...

400 carry history said he was going to get injured last year and well...

The position is a dime a dozen with 95% of them having short shelf lives, you're smart to just draft one use him and walk away when his contract is up.

I never said he would get better. He's not. By the time we are ready LJ won't even be getting half the snaps, but he will be a key guy.

Although, I completely agree with your view on the availability of RBs, because I believe it's all about the O-line.

Mecca
07-20-2008, 07:05 PM
By the time the Chiefs are ready he probably shouldn't be on the team.

beach tribe
07-20-2008, 07:11 PM
By the time the Chiefs are ready he probably shouldn't be on the team.

In 2023? He won't.

More like 2010, and your right. As a matter of fact he shouldn't be on the team now, but he is, and probably will be then.

RustShack
07-20-2008, 08:16 PM
LJ is our version of The Bus! Gailey is bringing Bettis back in a younger, faster form!

DaneMcCloud
07-20-2008, 09:38 PM
LJ is our version of The Bus! Gailey is bringing Bettis back in a younger, faster form!

How can he be younger? When Bettis first played in Pittsburgh under Gailey, he was 24 that season.

LJ will be 29 this year.

RustShack
07-20-2008, 09:44 PM
How can he be younger? When Bettis first played in Pittsburgh under Gailey, he was 24 that season.

LJ will be 29 this year.

Thats what they want you to think.

BigRedChief
07-21-2008, 06:18 AM
Teicher is such a lazy azz. We will get better and more entertaining writing out of formerb than this lame ass paper.

Rausch
07-21-2008, 06:36 AM
Is it just me or does Connor Barth sound like a pr0n star with a huge member?...

StcChief
07-21-2008, 08:05 AM
Is it just me or does Connor Barth sound like a pr0n star with a huge member?...
it's you, as long as his kicking foot works....

BigChiefFan
07-21-2008, 09:44 AM
This is going to be a long year. The Chiefs take the rebuild approach, then Carl promptly goes on vacation before getting all the rookies signed-that's one Hell of a plan if you're a caveman.

Warrior5
07-21-2008, 09:53 AM
Is it just me or does Connor Barth sound like a pr0n star with a huge member?...

Yeah, I think it's just you...

Redrum_69
07-21-2008, 10:16 AM
Wheres #6...Dont let WPI anywhere near the water coolers

KCChiefsMan
07-21-2008, 10:33 AM
Im Not Worried Bout LJ At All I Think He Is Gonna Be In Rare Form This Season With So Many People Doubting Him This Year.

BS. Larry Johnson is washed up....DID YOU HEAR ME LARRY, WASHED UP! You'll never break 1,000 yards ever again. YOU DONT HAVE WHAT IT TAKES!

Mecca
07-21-2008, 10:52 AM
BS. Larry Johnson is washed up....DID YOU HEAR ME LARRY, WASHED UP! You'll never break 1,000 yards ever again. YOU DONT HAVE WHAT IT TAKES!

You only have to get about 65 yards a game to get 1000 so that isn't that difficult.

Swanman
07-21-2008, 11:07 AM
Here are my 5 keys to a successful Chiefs camp:

1. Get all the rookies signed before camp starts
2. Get all the rookies signed before camp starts
3. Get all the rookies signed before camp starts
4. Get all the rookies signed before camp starts
5. Get all the rookies signed before camp starts

I know it won't happen, but the keys are simple in my mind for a rebuilding team. Get the building blocks into a full camp, no hardball negotiation BS. But we know that won't happen with the Queen.

markk
07-21-2008, 11:18 AM
They could have had 3 first round picks in the draft if Larry Johnson had been traded.

Would have been nice to pick up another pass rusher or a high end cornerback prospect.

But I guess a running back trying to be productive after a workload that no running back in history has ever recovered from will work.

Mecca
07-21-2008, 11:22 AM
They could have had 3 first round picks in the draft if Larry Johnson had been traded.

Would have been nice to pick up another pass rusher or a high end cornerback prospect.

But I guess a running back trying to be productive after a workload that no running back in history has ever recovered from will work.

Larry Johnson isn't getting a 1st round pick.....

DaneMcCloud
07-21-2008, 11:27 AM
Larry Johnson isn't getting a 1st round pick.....

It's absolutely amazing to me that people think that LJ had any value after coming off a 400+ carry season at age 27 or after an injury shortened season at age 28.

The Chiefs would have been lucky to get a third because running backs can be found on day two.

markk
07-21-2008, 11:30 AM
It's absolutely amazing to me that people think that LJ had any value after coming off a 400+ carry season at age 27 or after an injury shortened season at age 28.

The Chiefs would have been lucky to get a third because running backs can be found on day two.

yeah, you're probably right. but at least we could have got something for him.

I'd be surprised if he is anything but a shadow of his former self this season, and beyond this year i dont expect anything.

if nothing else we could have found the next larry johnson with a third round pick

Otter
07-21-2008, 11:31 AM
6. Realize that Carl Peterson, Herm Edwards, Gunther Cunningham and Chan Gailey aren't going to magically become capable of producing a Super Bowl. They are on the down side of the bell curve and already accomplished everything they are capable of producing.

Peterson is especially a pimple on the ass of progress.

DaneMcCloud
07-21-2008, 11:33 AM
6. Realize that Carl Peterson, Herm Edwards, Gunther Cunningham and Chan Gailey aren't going to magically become capable of producing a Super Bowl. They are on the down side of the bell curve and already accomplished everything they are capable of producing.

Well, I disagree about Gailey & Edwards but Cunningham and Peterson have long outlived their usefulness.

But Dick Curl - that guy's the man! :eek:

BigChiefFan
07-21-2008, 11:34 AM
LJ had first round value a few years ago and we could have easily gotten it. The braintrust thought we were SB caliber so they passed. Let's also not forget that even though some think HBs are easy to find, Carl has DRAFTED ONE stud in twenty years. That's right, ONE, thus explaining why he was hesitant to make a trade. Carl's ego once again wins over using simple logic.

el borracho
07-21-2008, 01:21 PM
1. Solidify the offensive line- Not this year. One guy will not make that much difference.
2. Get Croyle comfortable- Not likely. Odds are against any QB becoming special and Croyle is made of Ming dynasty porcelain.
3. Re-establish Larry Johnson as the featured back- Yep, Larry will have a good year.
4. Make Tamba Hali the man- Define "the man"; more sacks than last year-probably yes; equal the production of Jared Allen- no way in hell.
5. Make good special-teams decisions- Coverage teams should be better with all of the young talent but kicking will still be a downfall this year.

milkman
07-21-2008, 09:10 PM
Is it just me or does Connor Barth sound like a pr0n star with a huge member?...

I don't watch it, so I have to ask, is there a prOn star that doesn't have a huge member?

I thought that was required.

TRR
07-21-2008, 09:15 PM
1. Solidify the offensive line- Not this year. One guy will not make that much difference.
2. Get Croyle comfortable- Not likely. Odds are against any QB becoming special and Croyle is made of Ming dynasty porcelain.
3. Re-establish Larry Johnson as the featured back- Yep, Larry will have a good year.
4. Make Tamba Hali the man- Define "the man"; more sacks than last year-probably yes; equal the production of Jared Allen- no way in hell.
5. Make good special-teams decisions- Coverage teams should be better with all of the young talent but kicking will still be a downfall this year.

Cool! Since you know exactly what's going to happen this season, I will cancel my trip to River Falls, not renew my NFL Sunday Ticket subscription, and free up Sunday's from September on out!

:rolleyes:

Consistent1
07-21-2008, 09:38 PM
Larry Johnson isn't getting a 1st round pick.....

I fully agree with your opinions here. Charles damn well better be decent. They are going to have to use him, or someone else, to give Johnson a break. Hell, it isn't that crazy to thing that he could end up being the starter if LJ goes down. If they don't mix things up, and they grind LJ out, they are screwed. I hate to make negative predictions, but I bet there is an injury situation again this year.

Deberg_1990
07-21-2008, 09:43 PM
I If they don't mix things up, and they grind LJ out, they are screwed. I hate to make negative predictions, but I bet there is an injury situation again this year.

HOnestly, there is really not point to grind it out with LJ and 25-30+ carries every week this year. The team isnt going anywhere (we all know that).

Its a year to evaulate alot of young guys and give them playing time. If I were Herm and Chan i would limit LJ to no more than 20-25 carries a week. Charles and Kolby should be worked into games plans alot. We should also work developing a short passing game more to save LJ carries.

Consistent1
07-21-2008, 10:09 PM
HOnestly, there is really not point to grind it out with LJ and 25-30+ carries every week this year. The team isnt going anywhere (we all know that).

Its a year to evaulate alot of young guys and give them playing time. If I were Herm and Chan i would limit LJ to no more than 20-25 carries a week. Charles and Kolby should be worked into games plans alot. We should also work developing a short passing game more to save LJ carries.

Agreed, very true. I do believe the days of Larry Johnson and 1700 yards are indeed over.

Deberg_1990
07-21-2008, 10:11 PM
Agreed, very true. I do believe the days of Larry Johnson and 1700 yards are indeed over.


But thats not a bad thing at all. It doesnt have to be. He can still get between 1300-1500 yards. Those extra yards should be taken by another back or more passes in the passing game.

Chiefs=Good
07-22-2008, 02:28 AM
Teicher (captain obvious): Chiefs need to get better, to get better...