BREAKING... John McCain/Mitt Romney 08

[recxjake]

www.race42008.com is confirming that Mitt Romney will be the Vice Presidential candidate with John McCain.

[Chiefnj2]

All of Romney's testicle fondling payed off.

McCain has to do something the try to get in the news and keep Obama out of the spotlight.

[recxjake]

All of Romney's testicle fondling payed off.

McCain has to do something the try to get in the news and keep Obama out of the spotlight.

It has yet to be confirmed by the major news outlets... but race42008 has been right on the entire year... they are connected with the campaigns.... We will see if this is true...

[HolmeZz]

Sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet.

Very good. Very good.

[noa]

No surprise there

[blueballs]

i though he was going to go with the cross dresser

[Bearcat2005]

Oh I like this!

[Mizzou_8541]

I like Mitt Romney, but it seems like they are on opposite ends of the conservative political spectrum.

[penchief]

I'm not sure how Romney will impact McCain's chances but I know I'm going to get sick of hearing his schtick between now and November.

All Romney will be talking about is how we have to have more tax cuts for the wealthy and more deregulation, blah, blah, blah....

[recxjake]

Foreign Policy and Economics Vs.... Nothing... McCain will win

[recxjake]

I'm not sure how Romney will impact McCain's chances but I know I'm going to get sick of hearing his schtick between now and November.

All Romney will be talking about is how we have to have more tax cuts for the wealthy and more deregulation, blah, blah, blah....

He is an economics guy... and will be a big boost to the ticket...

Another story today says John Edwads and Sam Nunn are on the short list for Obama

[banyon]

Foreign Policy and Economics Vs.... Nothing... McCain will win

"more of the same" vs. "change" + <30% presidential approval = loss

[SportsRacer]

hahahaha I hope this is true.

[recxjake]

I like Mitt Romney, but it seems like they are on opposite ends of the conservative political spectrum.

And that is why McCain picked him... to bring the GOP together, make independents worried about the ecomomy come over... etc

A VP is supposed to create a bigger tent... thats what Romney does.

[recxjake]

"more of the same" vs. "change" + <30% presidential approval = loss

ROFL... is that why McCain is up 10% in Ohio now?

[SportsRacer]

Foreign Policy and Economics Vs.... Nothing... McCain will win

And we all know you're a veritable Nostradamus when it comes to political prognostication.

[markk]

Will the corporate media break their embargo on any McCain coverage?

Or will they continue to faint at Pope Obama I's masses all over the globe?

[bkkcoh]

It will be interesting to see how the MSM spins this. Also, to see how much of a bounce this might give McCain.

[HC_Chief]

I would have preferred a Romney/McCain ticket, but I digress.

[AustinChief]

And if true McCain just lost my vote...

[markk]

it's a solid, safe choice.

McCain does well with moderates and independents. Romney did well with conservatives during the primary cycle and won the governorship in an extremely liberal state. Raised a lot of money too.

There are also 6 or 7 million Mormons in the United States, but they were probably already voting conservative.

[recxjake]

It will be interesting to see how the MSM spins this. Also, to see how much of a bounce this might give McCain.

Romney will be the attack dog... will go after Obama hard, will be able to raise 60 million and will keep Colorado and Nevada Red.... he makes the most sense.

[Mizzou_8541]

And that is why McCain picked him... to bring the GOP together, make independents worried about the ecomomy over... etc

A VP is supposed to create a bigger tent... thats what Romney does.

Noted.

[BigCatDaddy]

Isn't he supposed to help in Michigan or somewhere inthe NW?

[recxjake]

I just want to know if its true or not!

[penguinz]

Foreign Policy and Economics Vs.... Nothing... McCain will win
McCain has no foreign policy other than lets invade everyone. Hell... He does not even have any idea where the ME countries are located.

[BigChiefDave]

Wow. This election's candidates are even more retarded than the current POTUS.

[markk]

Isn't he supposed to help in Michigan or somewhere inthe NW?

his father was the governor of michigan.

[recxjake]

Isn't he supposed to help in Michigan or somewhere inthe NW?

His dad was governor of Michigan... McCain is down a few points w/out Romney... with him... they put it very much into play. He should help big in Colorado and Nevada...

Bottom line, this guy got second place in the GOP primary... a lot of people voted for him, and liked him more than McCain... He gracefully excited the race... unlike Hillary.... and started helping McCain right away...

If its true.... its a very solid, smart pick...

[Guru]

No surprise there

It was the only logical choice he could make. Especially since he desperately needs the conservative vote.

[Ultra Peanut]

McCain has no foreign policy other than lets invade everyone.I'll bet McCain doesn't want to invade Czechoslovakia.

[noa]

It was the only logical choice he could make. Especially since he desperately needs the conservative vote.

Yeah. The signs had been coming for a while. One I read was that Romney swallowed the debt his campaign incurred all by himself. That indicated that he wanted to help out the party and not just get his own a$$ bailed out like Hillary does.

[eazyb81]

Brilliant move if this is true. Romney would be the one guy involved in this election that truly understands finance and economics. He will have major credibility at a time like this.

[banyon]

ROFL... is that why McCain is up 10% in Ohio now?

:spock: He's up six points and within the MOE in your own poll, genious.

[Ultra Peanut]

It was the only logical choice he could make. Especially since he desperately needs the conservative vote.Picking Mitt Romney to bolster your conservative standing is p. funny.

[eazyb81]

I would have preferred a Romney/McCain ticket, but I digress.

Same here.

[SBK]

Good pick.

[markk]

dont really see why this is that big of a deal. romney is better than mccain, but who would vote based on the VP candidate? you really like that guy going to funerals and showing up to the senate once every couple years? doesn't make any sense to me.

[Taco John]

I wonder how well this tested among evangelicals. McCain and Romney seems to be the ultimate ticket to depress that voter base - the largest in the country.

[eazyb81]

Larry Kudlow is going to bust a nut on live tv tonight.

[HolmeZz]

I wonder how well this tested among evangelicals. McCain and Romney seems to be the ultimate ticket to depress that voter base - the largest in the country.

McCain's also going to now make Romney's flip-flopping a big focus of his own campaign. Yum.

[Bearcat2005]

dont really see why this is that big of a deal. romney is better than mccain, but who would vote based on the VP candidate? you really like that guy going to funerals and showing up to the senate once every couple years? doesn't make any sense to me.

Considering the age of McCain though I think it has more influence than in the past election cycles.

[Guru]

Picking Mitt Romney to bolster your conservative standing is p. funny.

He was the only real conservative choice he had though. He obviously was not going to ask Paul or Barr.

[markk]

Considering the age of McCain though I think it has more influence than in the past election cycles.

Good point.

[Bearcat2005]

Good point.

Thanks but I guess we will see in upcoming polls if that has any vaildity of not....

[SBK]

Considering the age of McCain though I think it has more influence than in the past election cycles.

Yes.

[Guru]

I wonder how well this tested among evangelicals. McCain and Romney seems to be the ultimate ticket to depress that voter base - the largest in the country.

Meh. The public can get through that. Personally, I just want the candidates to believe in God. I'm sick and tired of DC trying to eliminate God from everything. These past couple of years have been a nice change of pace.

[HolmeZz]

He was the only real conservative choice he had though. He obviously was not going to ask Paul or Barr.

Real conservative?

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YOU WILL NOT SEE ME WAVERING ON THAT

[Bearcat2005]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Taco John
I wonder how well this tested among evangelicals. McCain and Romney seems to be the ultimate ticket to depress that voter base - the largest in the country.


You know though honestly a lot of my evangelical friends in Missouri like Romney. (I know I don't have data, I am providing an example from my own life.

[Guru]

Real conservative?

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YOU WILL NOT SEE ME WAVERING ON THAT

I didn't say he was the perfect choice. just the closest option available to McCain.

[Pitt Gorilla]

Romney likely won't help in Iowa (not that it matters to many non-Iowans).

[markk]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Taco John
I wonder how well this tested among evangelicals. McCain and Romney seems to be the ultimate ticket to depress that voter base - the largest in the country.


You know though honestly a lot of my evangelical friends in Missouri like Romney. (I know I don't have data, I am providing an example from my own life.

he moved to the right quite a bit the past few years. during the primary season he sounded like a staunch dyed in the wool type. i dont have any strong feelings on him one way or another.

it's one of those things, if a guy moves and he moves a direction you like, you don't care because he's "coming around". if he moves away from you then you talk about how he's gone insane, like the left is talking about mccain. but, curiously, how they are not talking about obama for doing the same.

[recxjake]

Romney likely won't help in Iowa (not that it matters to many non-Iowans).

Iowa is going blue.

[HolmeZz]

I didn't say he was the perfect choice. just the closest option available to McCain.

Jindal's considerably more conservative than Romney, he's just to the extreme.

[Pitt Gorilla]

if he moves away from you then you talk about how he's gone insane, like the left is talking about mccain. but, curiously, how they are not talking about obama for doing the same.Do you have any evidence for this trend?

[Bearcat2005]

he moved to the right quite a bit the past few years. during the primary season he sounded like a staunch dyed in the wool type. i dont have any strong feelings on him one way or another.

it's one of those things, if a guy moves and he moves a direction you like, you don't care because he's "coming around". if he moves away from you then you talk about how he's gone insane, like the left is talking about mccain. but, curiously, how they are not talking about obama for doing the same.


Yea I guess it is all in perspective of your side of the issues and policy.

[penguinz]

Don;t you find it odd that the Mormon is the only one to run for the Rep Pres Candidacy that has had only one wife?

[Guru]

Jindal's considerably more conservative than Romney, he's just to the extreme.
I don't know anything about him at all. Think I caught him on Beck once or twice though. Didn't wow me but I didn't really know who he was either.

[Bearcat2005]

Iowa is going blue.

Speaking of that I wonder if this helps McCain's chances in Michigan and Nevada? We know Mass. will go blue, Utah will just be dark red now. :)

[markk]

Do you have any evidence for this trend?

ask the hard left, the anti-war people, those who were outraged by FISA, people who hate NAFTA, gun-control advocates, and the abortion industry, since he said that partial birth abortion bans need not have an exemption for mental as well as physical health... ask those people if he's been consistent with primary season...

the founder of daily kos said he was starting to look like every other politician out there. that ought to tell us something

[HolmeZz]

ask the hard left, the anti-war people, those who were outraged by FISA, people who hate NAFTA, gun-control advocates, and the abortion industry, since he said that partial birth abortion bans need not have an exemption for mental as well as physical health... ask those people if he's been consistent with primary season...

the founder of daily kos said he was starting to look like every other politician out there. that ought to tell us something

McCain and Obama have both run to the center for the General. It's usually more of an emphasizing of positions they have that they think will play better with the center, not a complete flipping of their previous stance.

That's entirely different than doing a complete 180 on every moral issue you've stood for the in past. There's a reason Romney was pro-choice, pro-gay rights, pro-affirmative action, anti-Reagan, etc.., when he was running in Massachusetts and the inverse of all those things when he was running for the Republican nomination.

[Pitt Gorilla]

ask the hard left, the anti-war people, those who were outraged by FISA, people who hate NAFTA, gun-control advocates, and the abortion industry, since he said that partial birth abortion bans need not have an exemption for mental as well as physical health... ask those people if he's been consistent with primary season...

the founder of daily kos said he was starting to look like every other politician out there. that ought to tell us somethingSo, you're saying that people ARE talking about it? You just said that people are NOT talking about it. Which is it?

[markk]

So, you're saying that people ARE talking about it? You just said that people are NOT talking about it. Which is it?

sorry. i mean, people other places are, but people here seem to be denying that he has moved at all.

[HolmeZz]

sorry. i mean, people other places are, but people here seem to be denying that he has moved at all.

Clearly.

McCain and Obama have both run to the center for the General.

[BigChiefFan]

The Republicans are using the bland and blander ticket to get votes. Romney is a ****ing flip-flopper.

[Bearcat2005]

The Republicans are using the bland and blander ticket to get votes. Romney is a ****ing flip-flopper.

Wow what great insight to your post, I think I will change my vote b/c of this. :rolleyes:

I understand the flip flopper arguement on social issues considering the comments he has made in the past. But to say he is a bland pick? I think he would be a great addition to the McCain camp considering that he is a more youthful and energetic speaker than McCain. In addition to his economic knowledge and his ability to convey those concepts is very sound. Bland would not be the word I would use to describe him.

[Guru]

The Republicans are using the bland and blander ticket to get votes. Romney is a ****ing flip-flopper.

Romney is a politician. They all flip-flop. None of them are above that.

[BigChiefFan]

Wow what great insight to your post, I think I will change my vote b/c of this. :rolleyes:

I understand the flip flopper arguement on social issues considering the comments he has made in the past. But to say he is a bland pick? I think he would be a great addition to the McCain camp considering that he is a more youthful and energetic speaker than McCain. In addition to his economic knowledge and his ability to convey those concepts is very sound. Bland would not be the word I would use to describe him.
What economic knowledge?
The guy is no more of an economist than I am.

[Bearcat2005]

Romney is a politician. They all flip-flop. None of them are above that.

To be honest though I still don't like it. I do understand he was from a very liberal state in Mass. and it would have been political suicide to be more conservative on social issues.

[Guru]

To be honest though I still don't like it. I do understand he was from a very liberal state in Mass. and it would have been political suicide to be more conservative on social issues.

Thats what stinks about the electoral process though. Its rare that we actually have somebody WORTH voting for anymore.:(

[BigChiefFan]

Thats what stinks about the electoral process though. Its rare that we actually have somebody WORTH voting for anymore.:(That's why you have to vote your conscience and screw the political affiliation tripe.

[Bearcat2005]

What economic knowledge?
The guy is no more of an economist than I am.

Have you ever heard him speak? He is vary good conveying his thoughts about his view of the economy.
Also just a few things....

Romney graduated from a joint Juris Doctor/Master of Business Administration program coordinated between Harvard Law School and Harvard Business School. He graduated cum laude from the law school and was named a Baker Scholar for graduating in the top five percent of his business school class.
Romney was CEO of Bain & Company, a management consulting firm, and co-founder of Bain Capital, a private equity investment firm. After his business career and serving as the CEO of the 2002 Winter Olympics.

No more of an economist than you?

[SBK]

What economic knowledge?
The guy is no more of an economist than I am.

The man is an incredible business success, that doesn't happen by either accident or stupidity. One must know a thing or two in order to achieve that level of uber success.

[SBK]

Have you ever heard him speak? He is vary good conveying his thoughts about his view of the economy.
Also just a few things....

Romney graduated from a joint Juris Doctor/Master of Business Administration program coordinated between Harvard Law School and Harvard Business School. He graduated cum laude from the law school and was named a Baker Scholar for graduating in the top five percent of his business school class.
Romney was CEO of Bain & Company, a management consulting firm, and co-founder of Bain Capital, a private equity investment firm. After his business career and serving as the CEO of the 2002 Winter Olympics.

No more of an economist than you?

Romney doesn't post on Chiefsplanet so he don't know %(#@!!!

[Bearcat2005]

Thats what stinks about the electoral process though. Its rare that we actually have somebody WORTH voting for anymore.:(

I hear you and agree.

[Guru]

That's why you have to vote your conscience and screw the political affiliation tripe.
I do vote my conscience. Every single election. This year, I will take any candidate over Obama. That being said, I have no choice but to vote for McCain.

[Bearcat2005]

Romney doesn't post on Chiefsplanet so he don't know %(#@!!!

ROFL

[BigChiefFan]

The man is an incredible business success, that doesn't happen by either accident or stupidity. One must know a thing or two in order to achieve that level of uber success.
Running your own business is hell of alot easier than running the country. Again, he IS NOT an economist, no matter how many want to spin it that way.

I guess I'm over-qualified than, too.

Meet BCF, chief economist because he has his own business.

[MGRS13]

Wow two extremely rich old guys. The GOP is really branching out this year. I love hearing the "elitist" argument against Obama, when hes running against a two people who have no idea how real Americans live.

[Guru]

Wow two extremely rich old guys. The GOP is really branching out this year. I love hearing the "elitist" argument against Obama, when hes running against a two people who have no idea how real Americans live.
I would argue that Obama has no clue as well.

[Bearcat2005]

Running your own business is hell of alot easier than running the country. Again, he IS NOT an economist, no matter how many want to spin it that way.

I guess I'm over-qualified than, too.

Meet BCF, chief economist because he has his own business.

I never said he was an economist...please read my posts. I said he knows a lot about the economy and that he can convey his thoughts well. Please dont spin my posts, spin your own.

[SBK]

Wow two extremely rich old guys. The GOP is really branching out this year. I love hearing the "elitist" argument against Obama, when hes running against a two people who have no idea how real Americans live.

Elitist is an attitude sherlock.

[BigChiefFan]

I do vote my conscience. Every single election. This year, I will take any candidate over Obama. That being said, I have no choice but to vote for McCain.So you'd rather vote for a crook, who illegally took money from Charles Keating, than a person with some moral fortitude?

[eazyb81]

Have you ever heard him speak? He is vary good conveying his thoughts about his view of the economy.
Also just a few things....

Romney graduated from a joint Juris Doctor/Master of Business Administration program coordinated between Harvard Law School and Harvard Business School. He graduated cum laude from the law school and was named a Baker Scholar for graduating in the top five percent of his business school class.
Romney was CEO of Bain & Company, a management consulting firm, and co-founder of Bain Capital, a private equity investment firm. After his business career and serving as the CEO of the 2002 Winter Olympics.

No more of an economist than you?

Heh, you didn't know BigChiefFan was actually the CEO and founder of Goldman Sachs? :)

[Bearcat2005]

What economic knowledge?
The guy is no more of an economist than I am.

You were the one that first refered to him as an economist.

[whatsmynameagain]

Meh. The public can get through that. Personally, I just want the candidates to believe in God. I'm sick and tired of DC trying to eliminate God from everything. These past couple of years have been a nice change of pace.

you want the candidates to believe in things that are non existent? that's what your saying? one thing that I hate about all politicians is the religion factor. can people be moral and live a good life without religion being a part of it? I feel I do as best I can.

[eazyb81]

Wow two extremely rich old guys. The GOP is really branching out this year. I love hearing the "elitist" argument against Obama, when hes running against a two people who have no idea how real Americans live.

No politicians that reach this level know how the middle class lives. So does that mean you'll just never vote again?

[SportsRacer]

This is getting picked up literally nowhere. Not by Wonkette, not by Drudge, not by anyone.

I'm guessing this site is just as reliable a political barometer as Jake himself.

[SBK]

Running your own business is hell of alot easier than running the country. Again, he IS NOT an economist, no matter how many want to spin it that way.

I guess I'm over-qualified than, too.

Meet BCF, chief economist because he has his own business.

The President is the CEO of America basically. The only true difference I see is as Commander in Chief.

The President controls vision, and direction of the nation, and has tons of employees and advisers who do all the hard work--just like the CEO of a big company.

A little different, yes, but much the same.

Added benefit of a business man in the white house is that he'll have a direct understanding of how policy will affect small businesses in the US, and not just have theories based upon political statement.

[Bearcat2005]

Heh, you didn't know BigChiefFan was actually the CEO and founder of Goldman Sachs? :)

I wasn't aware of that :)

[MGRS13]

Elitist is an attitude sherlock.
No elitist is exactly what Rommney and McCain are. You think they would go the same store as you, or eat where you eat. They are both WAY out of touch with middle america, of course any one who matters in the GOP is also. I was just saying the elitist argument makes no sense when the comp. is Mac and Rom.

[BigChiefFan]

You said he had economic knowledge as if he were so qualified for the job.

An expert at the economy=economist. Which is it? Is he an expert on the economy or not?

[eazyb81]

Running your own business is hell of alot easier than running the country. Again, he IS NOT an economist, no matter how many want to spin it that way.

I guess I'm over-qualified than, too.

Meet BCF, chief economist because he has his own business.

Are you seriously comparing whatever small business you run to Bain Capital? Do you know how ridiculous and ignorant that makes you look?

[SBK]

you want the candidates to believe in things that are non existent? that's what your saying? one thing that I hate about all politicians is the religion factor. can people be moral and live a good life without religion being a part of it? I feel I do as best I can.

God is not religion. Religion is a system that is man made. Heck, Jesus himself hated religion.

[Bearcat2005]

This is getting picked up literally nowhere. Not by Wonkette, not by Drudge, not by anyone.

I'm guessing this site is just as reliable a political barometer as Jake himself.

LOL....I know I have been checking drudge and nothing, I wonder if all the Romneyites are just having a wet dream lol. (To be fair personally I like the pick if true).

[SBK]

No elitist is exactly what Rommney and McCain are. You think they would go the same store as you, or eat where you eat. They are both WAY out of touch with middle america, of course any one who matters in the GOP is also. I was just saying the elitist argument makes no sense when the comp. is Mac and Rom.

You don't understand elitism. Fair enough....

[HolmeZz]

The man is an incredible business success, that doesn't happen by either accident or stupidity. One must know a thing or two in order to achieve that level of uber success.

True. He got a great return on all that money he invested during the primary.

[Guru]

So you'd rather vote for a crook, who illegally took money from Charles Keating, than a person with some moral fortitude?

I would rather not vote for either one. However, I do feel votes count. I have no love for Obama and never will. Spin it however you want. If I thought Barr actually had a shot to win or even place a CLOSE third, I would vote for him.

[SBK]

True. He got a great return on all that money he invested during the primary.

Where did all that money come from? STFU

[Bearcat2005]

True. He got a great return on all that money he invested during the primary.

LOL! Suckling from the McCain tit.

[SportsRacer]

No elitist is exactly what Rommney and McCain are. You think they would go the same store as you, or eat where you eat. They are both WAY out of touch with middle america, of course any one who matters in the GOP is also. I was just saying the elitist argument makes no sense when the comp. is Mac and Rom.

The elitist argument makes no sense because electing somebody we'd "like to have a beer with" is what got us into the 8-year-long clusterf*ck we're in now.

Obama's smarter, richer, fitter and more cultured than most of us. So the f*ck what? Why wouldn't we want somebody like that to be our international representative, rather than some moronic malapropism machine? McCain and Romney are no less "out-of-touch" than Obama, and at least Obama worked with real people in the southside of Chicago for all those years.

[BigChiefFan]

The President is the CEO of America basically. The only true difference I see is as Commander in Chief.

The President controls vision, and direction of the nation, and has tons of employees and advisers who do all the hard work--just like the CEO of a big company.

A little different, yes, but much the same.

Added benefit of a business man in the white house is that he'll have a direct understanding of how policy will affect small businesses in the US, and not just have theories based upon political statement.
Tell it to someone who isn't an economist.:D

I should be lecturing you, afterall I'm more than qualified.

Again, Romney is a LAWYER.

[BigChiefFan]

Are you seriously comparing whatever small business you run to Bain Capital? Do you know how ridiculous and ignorant that makes you look?

It's said tongue in cheek.

I'm showing that Romney is no more of an economist than any other CEO in the corporate world.



I guess because Bush ****ed over people in the oil business(prior to presidency) he's a great ****ing leader, too? Bush was a CEO-what a great grasp he has on the economy, wouldn't you say?


Again said tongue-in-cheek.

[banyon]

LOL....I know I have been checking drudge and nothing, I wonder if all the Romneyites are just having a wet dream lol. (To be fair personally I like the pick if true).

This is just a blog post.

BREAKING- ROMNEY VP PICK
I am writing this in conjunction with Kavon, but according to several sources, Romney is the VP pick.

Remember who broke this story first.

by Jason Bonham @ 2:57 pm. Filed under John McCain, Mitt Romney, Veep Watch

[BigChiefFan]

I would rather not vote for either one. However, I do feel votes count. I have no love for Obama and never will. Spin it however you want. If I thought Barr actually had a shot to win or even place a CLOSE third, I would vote for him.
So you choose the crook?

Yea, we should be out of this mess in no time.

[SBK]

Tell it to someone who isn't an economist.:D

I should be lecturing you, afterall I'm more than qualified.

Again, Romney is a LAWYER.

You think you're the only guy with his own company? ;)

[eazyb81]

It's said tongue in cheek.

I'm showing that Romney is no more of an economist than any other CEO in the corporate world.


But Romney founded and ran one of the best private equity firms in the world - it's not as if he was CEO of the downtown Gates BBQ. To reach that level of success at such an esteemed investment firm, a person has to have an extremely high level of intelligence and charisma, along with an amazing understanding of finance, value, and risk. That is the type of person I want behind the scenes making important financial decisions for this country.

[BigChiefFan]

You think you're the only guy with his own company? ;)
No, I think we are all overqualified to become VPs of this great nation of ours.

[BigChiefFan]

But Romney founded and ran one of the best private equity firms in the world - it's not as if he was CEO of Gate's BBQ. To reach that level of success at such an esteemed investment firm, a person has to have an extremely high level of intelligence and charisma, along with an amazing understand of finance, value, and risk. That is the type of person I want behind the scenes making important financial decisions for this country.

Need I remind you W. went to Harvard business school, too?

[eazyb81]

Need I remind you W. went to Harvard business school, too?

That has nothing to do with what I just wrote.

[jAZ]

Wow, we'll see if he just blew his "VP bounce" on a week when Obama will likely steal his thunder right back.

At least I was 1/2 right.

[Guru]

So you choose the crook?

Yea, we should be out of this mess in no time.

Then all of the politicians are crooks by your standards.

[BigChiefFan]

That has nothing to do with what I just wrote.

Bullshit, you are stating that business school equates to being a great economist. I mentioned George W. which shows that your statement is false or are you now going to tell me how great the economy is?

[Silock]

And that is why McCain picked him... to bring the GOP together, make independents worried about the ecomomy come over... etc

A VP is supposed to create a bigger tent... thats what Romney does.

The only tent Romney creates is the one in your pants.

[HolmeZz]

Wow, we'll see if he just blew his "VP bounce" on a week when Obama will likely steal his thunder right back.

At least I was 1/2 right.

The only people who seem to care about Romney had already resigned themselves to the fact that they'd be voting for McCain in November anyway.

[eazyb81]

Bullshit, you are stating that business school equates to being a great economist. I mentioned George W. which shows that your statement is false or are you now going to tell me how great the economy is?

Can you read? Here is my post again:

But Romney founded and ran one of the best private equity firms in the world - it's not as if he was CEO of the downtown Gates BBQ. To reach that level of success at such an esteemed investment firm, a person has to have an extremely high level of intelligence and charisma, along with an amazing understanding of finance, value, and risk. That is the type of person I want behind the scenes making important financial decisions for this country.

Not once did I mention a school he attended, but I did mention his professional success in the finance industry.

Saying Bush went to Harvard as a response to my point makes absolutely no sense.

[BigChiefFan]

Then all of the politicians are crooks by your standards.
Oh really, do all politians associate with the Mafia? Do they all get in bed and spend vacations with people who commit fraud? Do they all have to go through congressional hearings for taking campaign finances from criminals?Keep grasping at straws, your argument holds no water.

[Guru]

Oh really, do all politians associate with the Mafia? Do they all get in bed and spend vacations with people who commit fraud? Do they all have to go through congressional hearings for taking campaign finances from criminals?Keep grasping at straws, your argument holds no water.

If I was forced to only vote for a perfectly moral candidate, I would be screwed. I don't believe there are any left.

I thought we were having a decent conversation but I can see I was wrong.

[BigChiefFan]

Can you read? Here is my post again:



Not once did I mention a school he attended, but I did mention his professional success in the finance industry.

Saying Bush went to Harvard as a response to my point makes absolutely no sense.
Again, Bush was the CEO of an OIL company. He was a big wig with the Texas Rangers-How did that turn out for the country?


See that's the point, just because somebody does something well in the business world does not equate to success at running a country, proof:none other than George W., himself.


Again, Romney and Bush both have the same type of experience in the business world and again, how's that working out for us?

[BigChiefFan]

If I was forced to only vote for a perfectly moral candidate, I would be screwed. I don't believe there are any left.

I thought we were having a decent conversation but I can see I was wrong.

There's a difference between having grayed morals and being a criminal, no?

We are having a good conversation, I think you just don't like that the truth about McCain.

[eazyb81]

Again, Bush was the CEO of an OIL company. He was a big wig with the Texas Rangers-How did that turn out for the country?


See that's the point, just because somebody does something well in the business world does not equate to success at running a country, proof:none other than George W., himself.


Again, Romney and Bush both have the same type of experience in the business world and again, how's that working out for us?

Ah, okay, so Bush went to great schools, was successful, and had money, so since he didn't work out we should never look for those attributes in a president. That's brilliant.

[BigChiefFan]

Ah, okay, so Bush went to great schools, was successful, and had money, so since he didn't work out we should never look for those attributes in a president. That's brilliant.
NO, I'm saying that Romney isn't the end and and be all of the economy like some are inferring he is.

[SHTSPRAYER]

NO, I'm saying that Romney isn't the end and and be all of the economy like some are inferring he is.


B.O. is?

[BigChiefFan]

B.O. is?

Yea, I'd say this about covers it...


The Problem
Wages are Stagnant as Prices Rise: While wages remain flat, the costs of basic necessities are increasing. The cost of in-state college tuition has grown 35 percent over the past five years. Health care costs have risen four times faster than wages over the past six years. And the personal savings rate is now the lowest it's been since the Great Depression.

Tax Cuts for Wealthy Instead of Middle Class: The Bush tax cuts give those who earn over $1 million dollars a tax cut nearly 160 times greater than that received by middle-income Americans. At the same time, this administration has refused to tackle health care, education and housing in a manner that benefits the middle class.

Barack Obama's Plan
Jumpstart the Economy
Provide Additional Tax Rebates to American Workers: The economy has continued to weaken significantly, despite congressional action to provide immediate tax rebates to American consumers. Stimulus: $20 billion.
Establish a $10 billion Foreclosure Prevention Fund: Given the downturn in the economy, Obama is calling for immediate creation of his Foreclosure Prevention Fund that will dramatically increase emergency pre-foreclosure counseling, and will help families facing foreclosure to responsibly refinance their mortgages or sell their homes. Obama’s plan will not help speculators, people buying vacation homes or people that falsely represented their incomes. It is meant to help responsible homeowners through this difficult period. Stimulus: $10 billion.
Provide $10 billion in Relief for State and Local Governments Hardest-Hit by the Housing Crisis to Prevent Cuts in Vital Services: Because of the housing crisis and the weakening economy, many state and local governments are facing significant revenue shortfalls. Barack Obama believes that in the areas hardest-hit by the housing crisis we should provide immediate, temporary funding to state and local governments so that the decline in property values does not cause them to slash critical public services and cut vital infrastructure spending. Stimulus: $10 billion.
Extend and Expand Unemployment Insurance: Barack Obama believes we must extend and strengthen the Unemployment Insurance (UI) program to address the needs of the long-term unemployed, who currently make up nearly one-fifth of the unemployed and are often older workers who have lost their jobs in manufacturing or other industries and have a difficult time finding new employment. Expanding UI is one of the most effective ways to combat economic turmoil; every dollar invested in UI benefits results in $1.73 in economic output. Obama is calling for a temporary expansion of the UI program for those who have exhausted their current eligibility. Stimulus: $10 billion.
Provide Middle Class Americans Tax Relief
Obama will cut income taxes by $1,000 for working families to offset the payroll tax they pay.

Provide a Tax Cut for Working Families: Obama will restore fairness to the tax code and provide 150 million workers the tax relief they need. Obama will create a new "Making Work Pay" tax credit of up to $500 per person, or $1,000 per working family. The "Making Work Pay" tax credit will completely eliminate income taxes for 10 million Americans.
Eliminate Income Taxes for Seniors Making Less than $50,000: Barack Obama will eliminate all income taxation of seniors making less than $50,000 per year. This proposal will eliminate income taxes for 7 million seniors and provide these seniors with an average savings of $1,400 each year. Under the Obama plan, 27 million American seniors will also not need to file an income tax return.
Simplify Tax Filings for Middle Class Americans: Obama will dramatically simplify tax filings so that millions of Americans will be able to do their taxes in less than five minutes. Obama will ensure that the IRS uses the information it already gets from banks and employers to give taxpayers the option of pre-filled tax forms to verify, sign and return. Experts estimate that the Obama proposal will save Americans up to 200 million total hours of work and aggravation and up to $2 billion in tax preparer fees.
Trade
Obama believes that trade with foreign nations should strengthen the American economy and create more American jobs. He will stand firm against agreements that undermine our economic security.

Fight for Fair Trade: Obama will fight for a trade policy that opens up foreign markets to support good American jobs. He will use trade agreements to spread good labor and environmental standards around the world and stand firm against agreements like the Central American Free Trade Agreement that fail to live up to those important benchmarks. Obama will also pressure the World Trade Organization to enforce trade agreements and stop countries from continuing unfair government subsidies to foreign exporters and nontariff barriers on U.S. exports.
Amend the North American Free Trade Agreement: Obama believes that NAFTA and its potential were oversold to the American people. Obama will work with the leaders of Canada and Mexico to fix NAFTA so that it works for American workers.
Improve Transition Assistance: To help all workers adapt to a rapidly changing economy, Obama would update the existing system of Trade Adjustment Assistance by extending it to service industries, creating flexible education accounts to help workers retrain, and providing retraining assistance for workers in sectors of the economy vulnerable to dislocation before they lose their jobs.
Invest in the Manufacturing Sector and Create 5 Million New Green Jobs
Invest in our Next Generation Innovators and Job Creators: Obama will create an Advanced Manufacturing Fund to identify and invest in the most compelling advanced manufacturing strategies. The Fund will have a peer-review selection and award process based on the Michigan 21st Century Jobs Fund, a state-level initiative that has awarded over $125 million to Michigan businesses with the most innovative proposals to create new products and new jobs in the state.
Double Funding for the Manufacturing Extension Partnership: The Manufacturing Extension Partnership (MEP) works with manufacturers across the country to improve efficiency, implement new technology and strengthen company growth. This highly-successful program has engaged in more than 350,000 projects across the country and in 2006 alone, helped create and protect over 50,000 jobs. But despite this success, funding for MEP has been slashed by the Bush administration. Barack Obama will double funding for the MEP so its training centers can continue to bolster the competitiveness of U.S. manufacturers.
Invest In A Clean Energy Economy And Create 5 Million New Green Jobs: Obama will invest $150 billion over 10 years to advance the next generation of biofuels and fuel infrastructure, accelerate the commercialization of plug-in hybrids, promote development of commercial scale renewable energy, invest in low emissions coal plants, and begin transition to a new digital electricity grid. The plan will also invest in America's highly-skilled manufacturing workforce and manufacturing centers to ensure that American workers have the skills and tools they need to pioneer the first wave of green technologies that will be in high demand throughout the world.
Create New Job Training Programs for Clean Technologies: The Obama plan will increase funding for federal workforce training programs and direct these programs to incorporate green technologies training, such as advanced manufacturing and weatherization training, into their efforts to help Americans find and retain stable, high-paying jobs. Obama will also create an energy-focused youth jobs program to invest in disconnected and disadvantaged youth.
Boost the Renewable Energy Sector and Create New Jobs: The Obama plan will create new federal policies, and expand existing ones, that have been proven to create new American jobs. Obama will create a federal Renewable Portfolio Standard (RPS) that will require 25 percent of American electricity be derived from renewable sources by 2025, which has the potential to create hundreds of thousands of new jobs on its own. Obama will also extend the Production Tax Credit, a credit used successfully by American farmers and investors to increase renewable energy production and create new local jobs.
New Jobs Through National Infrastructure Investment
Barack Obama believes that it is critically important for the United States to rebuild its national transportation infrastructure – its highways, bridges, roads, ports, air, and train systems – to strengthen user safety, bolster our long-term competitiveness and ensure our economy continues to grow.

Create a National Infrastructure Reinvestment Bank: Barack Obama will address the infrastructure challenge by creating a National Infrastructure Reinvestment Bank to expand and enhance, not supplant, existing federal transportation investments. This independent entity will be directed to invest in our nation’s most challenging transportation infrastructure needs. The Bank will receive an infusion of federal money, $60 billion over 10 years, to provide financing to transportation infrastructure projects across the nation. These projects will create up to two million new direct and indirect jobs per year and stimulate approximately $35 billion per year in new economic activity.
Technology, Innovation and Creating Jobs
Barack Obama will increase federal support for research, technology and innovation for companies and universities so that American families can lead the world in creating new advanced jobs and products.

Invest in the Sciences: Barack Obama supports doubling federal funding for basic research and changing the posture of our federal government from being one of the most anti-science administrations in American history to one that embraces science and technology. This will foster home-grown innovation, help ensure the competitiveness of US technology-based businesses, and ensure that 21st century jobs can and will grow in America.
Make the Research and Development Tax Credit Permanent: Barack Obama wants investments in a skilled research and development workforce and technology infrastructure to be supported here in America so that American workers and communities will benefit. Obama wants to make the Research and Development tax credit permanent so that firms can rely on it when making decisions to invest in domestic R&D over multi-year timeframes.
Deploy Next-Generation Broadband: Barack Obama believes we can get broadband to every community in America through a combination of reform of the Universal Service Fund, better use of the nation's wireless spectrum, promotion of next-generation facilities, technologies and applications, and new tax and loan incentives.
Support Small Business
Provide Tax Relief for Small Businesses and Start Up Companies: Barack Obama will eliminate all capital gains taxes on start-up and small businesses to encourage innovation and job creation. Obama will also support small business owners by providing a $500 “Making Work Pay” tax credit to almost every worker in America. Self-employed small business owners pay both the employee and the employer side of the payroll tax, and this measure will reduce the burdens of this double taxation.
Create a National Network of Public-Private Business Incubators: Barack Obama will support entrepreneurship and spur job growth by creating a national network of public-private business incubators. Business incubators facilitate the critical work of entrepreneurs in creating start-up companies. Obama will invest $250 million per year to increase the number and size of incubators in disadvantaged communities throughout the country.
Labor
Obama will strengthen the ability of workers to organize unions. He will fight for passage of the Employee Free Choice Act. Obama will ensure that his labor appointees support workers' rights and will work to ban the permanent replacement of striking workers. Obama will also increase the minimum wage and index it to inflation to ensure it rises every year.

Ensure Freedom to Unionize: Obama believes that workers should have the freedom to choose whether to join a union without harassment or intimidation from their employers. Obama cosponsored and is strong advocate for the Employee Free Choice Act, a bipartisan effort to assure that workers can exercise their right to organize. He will continue to fight for EFCA's passage and sign it into law.
Fight Attacks on Workers' Right to Organize: Obama has fought the Bush National Labor Relations Board (NLRB) efforts to strip workers of their right to organize. He is a cosponsor of legislation to overturn the NLRB's "Kentucky River" decisions classifying hundreds of thousands of nurses, construction, and professional workers as "supervisors" who are not protected by federal labor laws.
Protect Striking Workers: Obama supports the right of workers to bargain collectively and strike if necessary. He will work to ban the permanent replacement of striking workers, so workers can stand up for themselves without worrying about losing their livelihoods.
Raise the Minimum Wage: Barack Obama will raise the minimum wage, index it to inflation and increase the Earned Income Tax Credit to make sure that full-time workers earn a living wage that allows them to raise their families and pay for basic needs.
Protect Homeownership and Crack Down on Mortgage Fraud
Obama will crack down on fraudulent brokers and lenders. He will also make sure homebuyers have honest and complete information about their mortgage options, and he will give a tax credit to all middle-class homeowners.

Create a New FHA Housing Security Program: Barack Obama strongly supports the efforts of Senate Banking Committee Chair Chris Dodd (D–CT) to create a new Federal Housing Administration (FHA) program that will provide meaningful incentives for lenders to buy or refinance existing mortgages and convert them into stable 30-year fixed mortgages. This plan provides an important federal backstop – not a bailout – to this growing national problem. Neither lenders nor homeowners would receive a windfall from this plan.
Create a Universal Mortgage Credit: Obama will create a 10 percent universal mortgage credit to provide homeowners who do not itemize tax relief. This credit will provide an average of $500 to 10 million homeowners, the majority of whom earn less than $50,000 per year.
Ensure More Accountability in the Subprime Mortgage Industry: Obama has been closely monitoring the subprime mortgage situation for years, and introduced comprehensive legislation over a year ago to fight mortgage fraud and protect consumers against abusive lending practices. Obama's STOP FRAUD Act provides the first federal definition of mortgage fraud, increases funding for federal and state law enforcement programs, creates new criminal penalties for mortgage professionals found guilty of fraud, and requires industry insiders to report suspicious activity.
Mandate Accurate Loan Disclosure: Obama will create a Homeowner Obligation Made Explicit (HOME) score, which will provide potential borrowers with a simplified, standardized borrower metric (similar to APR) for home mortgages. The HOME score will allow individuals to easily compare various mortgage products and understand the full cost of the loan.
Create Fund to Help Homeowners Avoid Foreclosures: Obama will create a fund to help people refinance their mortgages and provide comprehensive supports to innocent homeowners. The fund will be partially paid for by Obama's increased penalties on lenders who act irresponsibly and commit fraud.
Close Bankruptcy Loophole for Mortgage Companies: Obama will work to eliminate the provision that prevents bankruptcy courts from modifying an individual's mortgage payments. Obama believes that the subprime mortgage industry, which has engaged in dangerous and sometimes unscrupulous business practices, should not be shielded by outdated federal law.
Address Predatory Credit Card Practices
Obama will establish a five-star rating system so that every consumer knows the risk involved in every credit card. He also will establish a Credit Card Bill of Rights to stop credit card companies from exploiting consumers with unfair practices.

Create a Credit Card Rating System to Improve Disclosure: Obama will create a credit card rating system, modeled on five-star systems used for other consumer products, to provide consumers an easily identifiable ranking of credit cards, based on the card's features. Credit card companies will be required to display the rating on all application and contract materials, enabling consumers to quickly understand all of the major provisions of a credit card without having to rely exclusively on fine print in lengthy documents.
Establish a Credit Card Bill of Rights to Protect Consumers: Obama will create a Credit Card Bill of Rights to protect consumers. The Obama plan will:
Ban Unilateral Changes
Apply Interest Rate Increases Only to Future Debt
Prohibit Interest on Fees
Prohibit "Universal Defaults"
Require Prompt and Fair Crediting of Cardholder Payments
Reform Bankruptcy Laws
Obama will reform our bankruptcy laws to protect working people, ban executive bonuses for bankrupt companies, and require disclosure of all pension investments.

Cap Outlandish Interest Rates on Payday Loans and Improve Disclosure: Obama supports extending a 36 percent interest cap to all Americans. Obama will require lenders to provide clear and simplified information about loan fees, payments and penalties, which is why he'll require lenders to provide this information during the application process.
Encourage Responsible Lending Institutions to Make Small Consumer Loans: Obama will encourage banks, credit unions and Community Development Financial Institutions to provide affordable short-term and small-dollar loans and to drive unscrupulous lenders out of business.
Reform Bankruptcy Laws to Protect Families Facing a Medical Crisis: Obama will create an exemption in bankruptcy law for individuals who can prove they filed for bankruptcy because of medical expenses. This exemption will create a process that forgives the debt and lets the individuals get back on their feet.
Work/Family Balance
Obama will double funding for after-school programs, expand the Family Medical Leave Act, provide low-income families with a refundable tax credit to help with their child-care expenses, and encourage flexible work schedules.

Expand the Family and Medical Leave Act: The FMLA covers only certain employees of employers with 50 or more employees. Obama will expand it to cover businesses with 25 or more employees. He will expand the FMLA to cover more purposes as well, including allowing workers to take leave for elder care needs; allowing parents up to 24 hours of leave each year to participate in their children's academic activities; and expanding FMLA to cover leave for employees to address domestic violence.
Encourage States to Adopt Paid Leave: As president, Obama will initiate a strategy to encourage all 50 states to adopt paid-leave systems. Obama will provide a $1.5 billion fund to assist states with start-up costs and to help states offset the costs for employees and employers.
Expand High-Quality Afterschool Opportunities: Obama will double funding for the main federal support for afterschool programs, the 21st Century Learning Centers program, to serve a million more children. Obama will include measures to maximize performance and effectiveness across grantees nationwide.
Expand the Child and Dependent Care Tax Credit: The Child and Dependent Care Tax Credit provides too little relief to families that struggle to afford child care expenses. Obama will reform the Child and Dependent Care Tax Credit by making it refundable and allowing low-income families to receive up to a 50 percent credit for their child care expenses.
Protect Against Caregiver Discrimination: Workers with family obligations often are discriminated against in the workplace. Obama will enforce the recently-enacted Equal Employment Opportunity Commission guidelines on caregiver discrimination.
Expand Flexible Work Arrangements: Obama will create a program to inform businesses about the benefits of flexible work schedules; help businesses create flexible work opportunities; and increase federal incentives for telecommuting. Obama will also make the federal government a model employer in terms of adopting flexible work schedules and permitting employees to request flexible arrangements.
Barack Obama's Record
Housing: In the U.S. Senate, Obama introduced the STOP FRAUD Act to increase penalties for mortgage fraud and provide more protections for low-income homebuyers, well before the current subprime crisis began.
Predatory Lending: In the Illinois State Senate, Obama called attention to predatory lending issues. Obama sponsored legislation to combat predatory payday loans, and he also was credited with lobbying the state to more closely regulate some of the most egregious predatory lending practices.
American Jobs: Barack Obama introduced the Patriot Employer Act of 2007 to provide a tax credit to companies that maintain or increase the number of full-time workers in America relative to those outside the US; maintain their corporate headquarters in America; pay decent wages; prepare workers for retirement; provide health insurance; and support employees who serve in the military.

[Guru]

There's a difference between having grayed morals and being a criminal, no?

We are having a good conversation, I think you just don't like that the truth about McCain.

Yep, you are a prophet who completely understands everything about me.

[BigChiefFan]

And for comparasion sake, here's Romney's economic plan...

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[jAZ]

I wonder how much of his own $ Romney agreed to spend on the campaign?

[BigChiefFan]

Yep, you are a prophet who completely understands everything about me.
I can only go by what you tell me and you've told me, you'd rather vote for a crook than Obama.

[SHTSPRAYER]

Yea, I'd say this about covers it...


The Problem
Wages are Stagnant as Prices Rise: While wages remain flat, the costs of basic necessities are increasing. The cost of in-state college tuition has grown 35 percent over the past five years. Health care costs have risen four times faster than wages over the past six years. And the personal savings rate is now the lowest it's been since the Great Depression.

Tax Cuts for Wealthy Instead of Middle Class: The Bush tax cuts give those who earn over $1 million dollars a tax cut nearly 160 times greater than that received by middle-income Americans. At the same time, this administration has refused to tackle health care, education and housing in a manner that benefits the middle class.

Barack Obama's Plan
Jumpstart the Economy
Provide Additional Tax Rebates to American Workers: The economy has continued to weaken significantly, despite congressional action to provide immediate tax rebates to American consumers. Stimulus: $20 billion.
Establish a $10 billion Foreclosure Prevention Fund: Given the downturn in the economy, Obama is calling for immediate creation of his Foreclosure Prevention Fund that will dramatically increase emergency pre-foreclosure counseling, and will help families facing foreclosure to responsibly refinance their mortgages or sell their homes. Obama’s plan will not help speculators, people buying vacation homes or people that falsely represented their incomes. It is meant to help responsible homeowners through this difficult period. Stimulus: $10 billion.
Provide $10 billion in Relief for State and Local Governments Hardest-Hit by the Housing Crisis to Prevent Cuts in Vital Services: Because of the housing crisis and the weakening economy, many state and local governments are facing significant revenue shortfalls. Barack Obama believes that in the areas hardest-hit by the housing crisis we should provide immediate, temporary funding to state and local governments so that the decline in property values does not cause them to slash critical public services and cut vital infrastructure spending. Stimulus: $10 billion.
Extend and Expand Unemployment Insurance: Barack Obama believes we must extend and strengthen the Unemployment Insurance (UI) program to address the needs of the long-term unemployed, who currently make up nearly one-fifth of the unemployed and are often older workers who have lost their jobs in manufacturing or other industries and have a difficult time finding new employment. Expanding UI is one of the most effective ways to combat economic turmoil; every dollar invested in UI benefits results in $1.73 in economic output. Obama is calling for a temporary expansion of the UI program for those who have exhausted their current eligibility. Stimulus: $10 billion.
Provide Middle Class Americans Tax Relief
Obama will cut income taxes by $1,000 for working families to offset the payroll tax they pay.

Provide a Tax Cut for Working Families: Obama will restore fairness to the tax code and provide 150 million workers the tax relief they need. Obama will create a new "Making Work Pay" tax credit of up to $500 per person, or $1,000 per working family. The "Making Work Pay" tax credit will completely eliminate income taxes for 10 million Americans.
Eliminate Income Taxes for Seniors Making Less than $50,000: Barack Obama will eliminate all income taxation of seniors making less than $50,000 per year. This proposal will eliminate income taxes for 7 million seniors and provide these seniors with an average savings of $1,400 each year. Under the Obama plan, 27 million American seniors will also not need to file an income tax return.
Simplify Tax Filings for Middle Class Americans: Obama will dramatically simplify tax filings so that millions of Americans will be able to do their taxes in less than five minutes. Obama will ensure that the IRS uses the information it already gets from banks and employers to give taxpayers the option of pre-filled tax forms to verify, sign and return. Experts estimate that the Obama proposal will save Americans up to 200 million total hours of work and aggravation and up to $2 billion in tax preparer fees.
Trade
Obama believes that trade with foreign nations should strengthen the American economy and create more American jobs. He will stand firm against agreements that undermine our economic security.

Fight for Fair Trade: Obama will fight for a trade policy that opens up foreign markets to support good American jobs. He will use trade agreements to spread good labor and environmental standards around the world and stand firm against agreements like the Central American Free Trade Agreement that fail to live up to those important benchmarks. Obama will also pressure the World Trade Organization to enforce trade agreements and stop countries from continuing unfair government subsidies to foreign exporters and nontariff barriers on U.S. exports.
Amend the North American Free Trade Agreement: Obama believes that NAFTA and its potential were oversold to the American people. Obama will work with the leaders of Canada and Mexico to fix NAFTA so that it works for American workers.
Improve Transition Assistance: To help all workers adapt to a rapidly changing economy, Obama would update the existing system of Trade Adjustment Assistance by extending it to service industries, creating flexible education accounts to help workers retrain, and providing retraining assistance for workers in sectors of the economy vulnerable to dislocation before they lose their jobs.
Invest in the Manufacturing Sector and Create 5 Million New Green Jobs
Invest in our Next Generation Innovators and Job Creators: Obama will create an Advanced Manufacturing Fund to identify and invest in the most compelling advanced manufacturing strategies. The Fund will have a peer-review selection and award process based on the Michigan 21st Century Jobs Fund, a state-level initiative that has awarded over $125 million to Michigan businesses with the most innovative proposals to create new products and new jobs in the state.
Double Funding for the Manufacturing Extension Partnership: The Manufacturing Extension Partnership (MEP) works with manufacturers across the country to improve efficiency, implement new technology and strengthen company growth. This highly-successful program has engaged in more than 350,000 projects across the country and in 2006 alone, helped create and protect over 50,000 jobs. But despite this success, funding for MEP has been slashed by the Bush administration. Barack Obama will double funding for the MEP so its training centers can continue to bolster the competitiveness of U.S. manufacturers.
Invest In A Clean Energy Economy And Create 5 Million New Green Jobs: Obama will invest $150 billion over 10 years to advance the next generation of biofuels and fuel infrastructure, accelerate the commercialization of plug-in hybrids, promote development of commercial scale renewable energy, invest in low emissions coal plants, and begin transition to a new digital electricity grid. The plan will also invest in America's highly-skilled manufacturing workforce and manufacturing centers to ensure that American workers have the skills and tools they need to pioneer the first wave of green technologies that will be in high demand throughout the world.
Create New Job Training Programs for Clean Technologies: The Obama plan will increase funding for federal workforce training programs and direct these programs to incorporate green technologies training, such as advanced manufacturing and weatherization training, into their efforts to help Americans find and retain stable, high-paying jobs. Obama will also create an energy-focused youth jobs program to invest in disconnected and disadvantaged youth.
Boost the Renewable Energy Sector and Create New Jobs: The Obama plan will create new federal policies, and expand existing ones, that have been proven to create new American jobs. Obama will create a federal Renewable Portfolio Standard (RPS) that will require 25 percent of American electricity be derived from renewable sources by 2025, which has the potential to create hundreds of thousands of new jobs on its own. Obama will also extend the Production Tax Credit, a credit used successfully by American farmers and investors to increase renewable energy production and create new local jobs.
New Jobs Through National Infrastructure Investment
Barack Obama believes that it is critically important for the United States to rebuild its national transportation infrastructure – its highways, bridges, roads, ports, air, and train systems – to strengthen user safety, bolster our long-term competitiveness and ensure our economy continues to grow.

Create a National Infrastructure Reinvestment Bank: Barack Obama will address the infrastructure challenge by creating a National Infrastructure Reinvestment Bank to expand and enhance, not supplant, existing federal transportation investments. This independent entity will be directed to invest in our nation’s most challenging transportation infrastructure needs. The Bank will receive an infusion of federal money, $60 billion over 10 years, to provide financing to transportation infrastructure projects across the nation. These projects will create up to two million new direct and indirect jobs per year and stimulate approximately $35 billion per year in new economic activity.
Technology, Innovation and Creating Jobs
Barack Obama will increase federal support for research, technology and innovation for companies and universities so that American families can lead the world in creating new advanced jobs and products.

Invest in the Sciences: Barack Obama supports doubling federal funding for basic research and changing the posture of our federal government from being one of the most anti-science administrations in American history to one that embraces science and technology. This will foster home-grown innovation, help ensure the competitiveness of US technology-based businesses, and ensure that 21st century jobs can and will grow in America.
Make the Research and Development Tax Credit Permanent: Barack Obama wants investments in a skilled research and development workforce and technology infrastructure to be supported here in America so that American workers and communities will benefit. Obama wants to make the Research and Development tax credit permanent so that firms can rely on it when making decisions to invest in domestic R&D over multi-year timeframes.
Deploy Next-Generation Broadband: Barack Obama believes we can get broadband to every community in America through a combination of reform of the Universal Service Fund, better use of the nation's wireless spectrum, promotion of next-generation facilities, technologies and applications, and new tax and loan incentives.
Support Small Business
Provide Tax Relief for Small Businesses and Start Up Companies: Barack Obama will eliminate all capital gains taxes on start-up and small businesses to encourage innovation and job creation. Obama will also support small business owners by providing a $500 “Making Work Pay” tax credit to almost every worker in America. Self-employed small business owners pay both the employee and the employer side of the payroll tax, and this measure will reduce the burdens of this double taxation.
Create a National Network of Public-Private Business Incubators: Barack Obama will support entrepreneurship and spur job growth by creating a national network of public-private business incubators. Business incubators facilitate the critical work of entrepreneurs in creating start-up companies. Obama will invest $250 million per year to increase the number and size of incubators in disadvantaged communities throughout the country.
Labor
Obama will strengthen the ability of workers to organize unions. He will fight for passage of the Employee Free Choice Act. Obama will ensure that his labor appointees support workers' rights and will work to ban the permanent replacement of striking workers. Obama will also increase the minimum wage and index it to inflation to ensure it rises every year.

Ensure Freedom to Unionize: Obama believes that workers should have the freedom to choose whether to join a union without harassment or intimidation from their employers. Obama cosponsored and is strong advocate for the Employee Free Choice Act, a bipartisan effort to assure that workers can exercise their right to organize. He will continue to fight for EFCA's passage and sign it into law.
Fight Attacks on Workers' Right to Organize: Obama has fought the Bush National Labor Relations Board (NLRB) efforts to strip workers of their right to organize. He is a cosponsor of legislation to overturn the NLRB's "Kentucky River" decisions classifying hundreds of thousands of nurses, construction, and professional workers as "supervisors" who are not protected by federal labor laws.
Protect Striking Workers: Obama supports the right of workers to bargain collectively and strike if necessary. He will work to ban the permanent replacement of striking workers, so workers can stand up for themselves without worrying about losing their livelihoods.
Raise the Minimum Wage: Barack Obama will raise the minimum wage, index it to inflation and increase the Earned Income Tax Credit to make sure that full-time workers earn a living wage that allows them to raise their families and pay for basic needs.
Protect Homeownership and Crack Down on Mortgage Fraud
Obama will crack down on fraudulent brokers and lenders. He will also make sure homebuyers have honest and complete information about their mortgage options, and he will give a tax credit to all middle-class homeowners.

Create a New FHA Housing Security Program: Barack Obama strongly supports the efforts of Senate Banking Committee Chair Chris Dodd (D–CT) to create a new Federal Housing Administration (FHA) program that will provide meaningful incentives for lenders to buy or refinance existing mortgages and convert them into stable 30-year fixed mortgages. This plan provides an important federal backstop – not a bailout – to this growing national problem. Neither lenders nor homeowners would receive a windfall from this plan.
Create a Universal Mortgage Credit: Obama will create a 10 percent universal mortgage credit to provide homeowners who do not itemize tax relief. This credit will provide an average of $500 to 10 million homeowners, the majority of whom earn less than $50,000 per year.
Ensure More Accountability in the Subprime Mortgage Industry: Obama has been closely monitoring the subprime mortgage situation for years, and introduced comprehensive legislation over a year ago to fight mortgage fraud and protect consumers against abusive lending practices. Obama's STOP FRAUD Act provides the first federal definition of mortgage fraud, increases funding for federal and state law enforcement programs, creates new criminal penalties for mortgage professionals found guilty of fraud, and requires industry insiders to report suspicious activity.
Mandate Accurate Loan Disclosure: Obama will create a Homeowner Obligation Made Explicit (HOME) score, which will provide potential borrowers with a simplified, standardized borrower metric (similar to APR) for home mortgages. The HOME score will allow individuals to easily compare various mortgage products and understand the full cost of the loan.
Create Fund to Help Homeowners Avoid Foreclosures: Obama will create a fund to help people refinance their mortgages and provide comprehensive supports to innocent homeowners. The fund will be partially paid for by Obama's increased penalties on lenders who act irresponsibly and commit fraud.
Close Bankruptcy Loophole for Mortgage Companies: Obama will work to eliminate the provision that prevents bankruptcy courts from modifying an individual's mortgage payments. Obama believes that the subprime mortgage industry, which has engaged in dangerous and sometimes unscrupulous business practices, should not be shielded by outdated federal law.
Address Predatory Credit Card Practices
Obama will establish a five-star rating system so that every consumer knows the risk involved in every credit card. He also will establish a Credit Card Bill of Rights to stop credit card companies from exploiting consumers with unfair practices.

Create a Credit Card Rating System to Improve Disclosure: Obama will create a credit card rating system, modeled on five-star systems used for other consumer products, to provide consumers an easily identifiable ranking of credit cards, based on the card's features. Credit card companies will be required to display the rating on all application and contract materials, enabling consumers to quickly understand all of the major provisions of a credit card without having to rely exclusively on fine print in lengthy documents.
Establish a Credit Card Bill of Rights to Protect Consumers: Obama will create a Credit Card Bill of Rights to protect consumers. The Obama plan will:
Ban Unilateral Changes
Apply Interest Rate Increases Only to Future Debt
Prohibit Interest on Fees
Prohibit "Universal Defaults"
Require Prompt and Fair Crediting of Cardholder Payments
Reform Bankruptcy Laws
Obama will reform our bankruptcy laws to protect working people, ban executive bonuses for bankrupt companies, and require disclosure of all pension investments.

Cap Outlandish Interest Rates on Payday Loans and Improve Disclosure: Obama supports extending a 36 percent interest cap to all Americans. Obama will require lenders to provide clear and simplified information about loan fees, payments and penalties, which is why he'll require lenders to provide this information during the application process.
Encourage Responsible Lending Institutions to Make Small Consumer Loans: Obama will encourage banks, credit unions and Community Development Financial Institutions to provide affordable short-term and small-dollar loans and to drive unscrupulous lenders out of business.
Reform Bankruptcy Laws to Protect Families Facing a Medical Crisis: Obama will create an exemption in bankruptcy law for individuals who can prove they filed for bankruptcy because of medical expenses. This exemption will create a process that forgives the debt and lets the individuals get back on their feet.
Work/Family Balance
Obama will double funding for after-school programs, expand the Family Medical Leave Act, provide low-income families with a refundable tax credit to help with their child-care expenses, and encourage flexible work schedules.

Expand the Family and Medical Leave Act: The FMLA covers only certain employees of employers with 50 or more employees. Obama will expand it to cover businesses with 25 or more employees. He will expand the FMLA to cover more purposes as well, including allowing workers to take leave for elder care needs; allowing parents up to 24 hours of leave each year to participate in their children's academic activities; and expanding FMLA to cover leave for employees to address domestic violence.
Encourage States to Adopt Paid Leave: As president, Obama will initiate a strategy to encourage all 50 states to adopt paid-leave systems. Obama will provide a $1.5 billion fund to assist states with start-up costs and to help states offset the costs for employees and employers.
Expand High-Quality Afterschool Opportunities: Obama will double funding for the main federal support for afterschool programs, the 21st Century Learning Centers program, to serve a million more children. Obama will include measures to maximize performance and effectiveness across grantees nationwide.
Expand the Child and Dependent Care Tax Credit: The Child and Dependent Care Tax Credit provides too little relief to families that struggle to afford child care expenses. Obama will reform the Child and Dependent Care Tax Credit by making it refundable and allowing low-income families to receive up to a 50 percent credit for their child care expenses.
Protect Against Caregiver Discrimination: Workers with family obligations often are discriminated against in the workplace. Obama will enforce the recently-enacted Equal Employment Opportunity Commission guidelines on caregiver discrimination.
Expand Flexible Work Arrangements: Obama will create a program to inform businesses about the benefits of flexible work schedules; help businesses create flexible work opportunities; and increase federal incentives for telecommuting. Obama will also make the federal government a model employer in terms of adopting flexible work schedules and permitting employees to request flexible arrangements.
Barack Obama's Record
Housing: In the U.S. Senate, Obama introduced the STOP FRAUD Act to increase penalties for mortgage fraud and provide more protections for low-income homebuyers, well before the current subprime crisis began.
Predatory Lending: In the Illinois State Senate, Obama called attention to predatory lending issues. Obama sponsored legislation to combat predatory payday loans, and he also was credited with lobbying the state to more closely regulate some of the most egregious predatory lending practices.
American Jobs: Barack Obama introduced the Patriot Employer Act of 2007 to provide a tax credit to companies that maintain or increase the number of full-time workers in America relative to those outside the US; maintain their corporate headquarters in America; pay decent wages; prepare workers for retirement; provide health insurance; and support employees who serve in the military.

Thanks! I always wanted to read the communist manifesto!!

['Hamas' Jenkins]

That's f*cking hilarious. He wastes his VP bounce for now, and has the integrity to pick a guy that he supposedly hated with the fire of 1,000 suns. Then again, the guy sold his soul so that the Bushies could run a train on his ass, what would you expect.

This ticket will go over like Hoover's bid for reelection.

[BigChiefFan]

Thanks! I always wanted to read the communist manifesto!!Like big tax breaks for the wealthy instead for the middle-class. Yea, he's a commie all right.

You sure don't bring much substance to the conversation, do you?

Also, love that Romney plan-wow.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Ah, okay, so Bush went to great schools, was successful, and had money, so since he didn't work out we should never look for those attributes in a president. That's brilliant.

Exactly what part of being a C student and running multiple oil and energy companies into the ground whilst accused of insider trading, only to be bailed out financially by the Saudis would make someone believe you are successful?

[Guru]

I can only go by what you tell me and you've told me, you'd rather vote for a crook than Obama.

If that is your road then I would most definitely vote for Barr. Which is practically a vote for Obama. Congrats.

[recxjake]

I wonder how much of his own $ Romney agreed to spend on the campaign?

VP candidates cannont donate unlimited amounts... only 2,300 bucks

[Guru]

Like big tax breaks for the wealthy instead for the middle-class. Yea, he's a commie all right.

You sure don't bring much substance to the conversation, do you?

Also, love that Romney plan-wow.

I am major middle class and have seen big tax breaks.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121659695380368965.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

[VAChief]

I'm a little surprised he picked Romney, but it will certainly be interesting to see how comfortable the evangelicals are with this selection, especially with McBush well into his 70's now.

[BigChiefFan]

I am major middle class and have seen big tax breaks.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121659695380368965.html?mod=googlenews_wsj
How do you get people making a little over $100,000 a year paying 70% of the tax burden a huge tax break?:hmmm:

[Adept Havelock]

You sure don't bring much substance to the conversation, do you?


He's the right wing version of Max Sleeper, or a slightly more humorous recxjake.

[recxjake]

Since none of the major networks are reporting this... I'm starting to think it may not be true... but more a head fake to get the attention off Obama this week... then come back in August with the pick.

[Taco John]

LOL! Suckling from the McCain tit.

I just threw up.

A lot.

[SBK]

The only people who seem to care about Romney had already resigned themselves to the fact that they'd be voting for McCain in November anyway.

I like the Romney pick, and I've stated here before that I'm not voting for McCain.

[VAChief]

Since none of the major networks are reporting this... I'm starting to think it may not be true... but more a head fake to get the attention off Obama this week... then come back in August with the pick.

Why would you want something leaked, but not covered where people could see it? I'm not sure there is any logic to that conclusion.

[SHTSPRAYER]

Like big tax breaks for the wealthy instead for the middle-class. Yea, he's a commie all right.

You sure don't bring much substance to the conversation, do you?

Also, love that Romney plan-wow.

Don't get huffy with me.

:#

[Guru]

How do you get people making a little over $100,000 a year paying 70% of the tax burden a huge tax break?:hmmm:

It's like talking to a brick wall with you. No wonder nothing gets done in DC. The people getting the biggest tax break are going to get a bigger tax break under Obama. I make less than 100k and am getting nice tax breaks under Bush. That doesn't mean I like Bush.

The whole "the rich are not taxed enough" is a bogus argument.

[dirk digler]

That's f*cking hilarious. He wastes his VP bounce for now, and has the integrity to pick a guy that he supposedly hated with the fire of 1,000 suns. Then again, the guy sold his soul so that the Bushies could run a train on his ass, what would you expect.

This ticket will go over like Hoover's bid for reelection.

LMAO. Exactly. This proves without a doubt that McCain believes he is going to lose and is running scared shitless.

[Direckshun]

Since none of the major networks are reporting this... I'm starting to think it may not be true... but more a head fake to get the attention off Obama this week... then come back in August with the pick.
You and Novak were tooled ten times over.

Not that you mind.

[VAChief]

You and Novak were tooled ten times over.

Not that you mind.

This would be one time I hope he is right. Although Mittens reminds me a little too much of Sam Neill in "The Final Conflict."

[Adept Havelock]

This would be one time I hope he is right. Although Mittens reminds me a little too much of Sam Neill in "The Final Conflict."

I was thinking Martin Sheen in "The Dead Zone", but you're right.

My comparison probably fits Huckabee better. :p

[BigChiefFan]

It's like talking to a brick wall with you. No wonder nothing gets done in DC. The people getting the biggest tax break are going to get a bigger tax break under Obama. I make less than 100k and am getting nice tax breaks under Bush. That doesn't mean I like Bush.

The whole "the rich are not taxed enough" is a bogus argument.
I didn't bring that "bogus" argument up-you did. I merely stated that the Upper middle-class has the majority of the tax burden, which is exactly what the link you shared stated.

[Guru]

I didn't bring that "bogus" argument up-you did. I merely stated that the Upper middle-class has the majority of the tax burden, which is exactly what the link you shared stated.

Whatever. Not wasting anymore time on this with you.

[Ultra Peanut]

Jindal's considerably more conservative than Romney, he's just to the extreme.And he also has such a bright future that there's no reason for him to even consider hitching his cart to a worn-down horse that likes to ride in directions that make no sense.

[Ultra Peanut]

If that is your road then I would most definitely vote for Barr. Which is practically a vote for Obama. Congrats.Why are you so opposed to Obama?

[Guru]

Why are you so opposed to Obama?

I feel like no matter what I say here I won't get any respect for my answer. The Obama supporters come out in droves to defend each other but the conservatives here don't seem to want to do the same for their own.

I can't really explain why. There is just something about him I just don't trust. On paper, he looks good and sounds good. His personal friendships leave a lot to question. The fact that he has only been in the national process for a very short time concerns me. He comes across as naive as well. I don't feel that more taxes is the answer. I don't feel that he is realistic on the current oil situation at all. It was irritating when ABC had their primary forum and he whined about the questions he got. The Gibson/Stephanopolas one. When he is one on one with a reporter, he seems to struggle with his answers which is something you usually don't see in a politician. I don't like Hillary either but she definitely handles herself great in those one on ones.

Being a conservative, I am a hard sell anyway but he has never struck me as a realistic candidate I could consider throwing my vote to at all. I would love to buck the system and just vote for Barr but it just won't make any difference. Until the third parties are taken more seriously and allowed to be a bigger part of the process they are just a wasted vote. Hell, the only third party candidate to make a crack was Perot and that is just sad.

I'm sure I just wasted my breath here though since I am "just supporting a crook".

[HolmeZz]

His personal friendships leave a lot to question.

Meh. Mainly because there's been a lot more time scrutinizing and focusing on what are or could be construed as bad relationships. You're not going to hear about the good ones. The bad ones were an attempt to paint a portrait of a man that wasn't widely known to the public.

He comes across as naive as well.

I find the use of the word naive funny, especially coming from people like us on this tiny irrelevant forum. Barack's a pretty intelligent guy. You'd have to be to be President of the Harvard Law Review. I might disagree with the foreign policy of a guy like John McCain, but to accuse him of naivete or to pretend like I have more of a knowledge about the world than him would be silly.

It was irritating when ABC had their primary forum and he whined about the questions he got. The Gibson/Stephanopolas one.

That was irritating to you? It wasn't more irritating that the questions being asked were "does Reverend Wright love America as much as you?" and "why don't you love our flag?!?"?

[Guru]

Meh. Mainly because there's been a lot more time scrutinizing and focusing on what are or could be construed as bad relationships. You're not going to hear about the good ones. The bad ones were an attempt to paint a portrait of a man that wasn't widely known to the public.

The association with his pastor really left me with a poor impression. Just my opinion.



I find the use of the word naive funny, especially coming from people like us on this tiny irrelevant forum. Barack's a pretty intelligent guy. You'd have to be to be President of the Harvard Law Review. I might disagree with the foreign policy of a guy like John McCain, but to accuse him of naivete or to pretend like I have more of a knowledge about the world than him would be silly.

I agree, naive is the wrong word. Didn't mean to sound as if he not intelligent. He obviously is. That was really more directed at his stance on the oil issue though. Again, only my opinion.



That was irritating to you? It wasn't more irritating that the questions being asked were "does Reverend Wright love America as much as you?" and "why don't you love our flag?!?"? It would not have mattered what candidate it was. With what was going on at the time, they were inevitable questions. Play the hand you are dealt. It was an opportunity to put his views out there on it. During the forum, he dealt with the questions fine. Then he went on the next day to gripe about it when he had actually dealt with it fine during the forum. Had he just let it go, I might not have even thought twice about it.

[WilliamTheIrish]

When he is one on one with a reporter, he seems to struggle with his answers which is something you usually don't see in a politician.

Have you been on earth the last eight years?

[Guru]

Have you been on earth the last eight years?
Last I checked, I couldn't afford the new space flights.

[SNR]

So is this true or not? It's not on the McCain website

[penchief]

Brilliant move if this is true. Romney would be the one guy involved in this election that truly understands finance and economics. He will have major credibility at a time like this.

How does he understand the economy? He may have a record but all he's been doing since the start of his campaign is towing the corpo-fascist line. All he's been saying he wants to do is double down on Bush's policies of tax cuts for the wealthy and more deregulation.

Considering that it is exactly those policies that have caused the erosion of our infrastructure and our economy, how does that show an understanding of the economy?

[SportsRacer]

Last I checked, I couldn't afford the new space flights.

That's 'cause rocket fuel prices are so high... THANKS A LOT, CHENEY!

[bunnytrdr]

Romney, if this turns out to be true, is the clear frontrunner, both from the balance, and the fact that he puts Michigan in play.

[SNR]

How does he understand the economy? He may have a record but all he's been doing since the start of his campaign is towing the corpo-fascist line. All he's been saying he wants to do is double down on Bush's policies of tax cuts for the wealthy and more deregulation.

Considering that it is exactly those policies that have caused the erosion of our infrastructure and our economy, how does that show an understanding of the economy?Clueless voters will associate "business + governorship" with "good economist"

Of course, if elected, they'll see that he's actually not that much of a step up from McCain in this department. McCain's advisors will still provide the majority of the information

[Guru]

That's 'cause rocket fuel prices are so high... THANKS A LOT, CONGRESS!

FYP

[jAZ]

Wow, we'll see if he just blew his "VP bounce" on a week when Obama will likely steal his thunder right back.

At least I was 1/2 right.

I took this to mean it was official. But after looking around, it's just unofficial.

I suspect that they are doing what they can to get people to talk about their campaign this week (which is smart) short of making their official annoucement this week (even smarter).

Leaking the annoucement is a smart move.

[jAZ]

VP candidates cannont donate unlimited amounts... only 2,300 bucks

Is that true?

[Ari Chi3fs]

ROFL... is that why McCain is up 10% in Ohio now?


Diebold HQ is in Ohio?? :hmmm:

[Ari Chi3fs]

http://www.relentlesslyoptimistic.com/images/2008/07/09/mcain_feel_the_excitement.jpg

[Guru]

http://www.relentlesslyoptimistic.com/images/2008/07/09/mcain_feel_the_excitement.jpg

ROFL

Thats funny.

[sportsman1]

If this is true.. I am voting third party. I will not completely sell my soul. All the other Huckabee supporters wont support it either. Someone has to take a stand against the way the Party is going. I said id vote for mccain as long as romney wasnt vp. This is the worst case scenario.

[VAChief]

If the right is going to make an issue about Obama's muslim heritage even though he disputes that as his faith, then it will be open season on Romney's faith in my opinion.

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1619552,00.html

[VAChief]

"At all but the top level, the church is sustained by Mormon men volunteering as lay leaders. Romney was bishop of a ward, or congregation, and eventually president of a stake in Boston, meaning he was responsible for 14 wards with a total of some 3,000 members. Women cannot serve in priestly roles, nor could African Americans until a new revelation brought a change of policy in 1978. Should Romney have to account for such church practices? When he married Ann, a Mormon convert, in 1969 in the temple in Salt Lake City, her family could not attend the ceremony since only Mormons are allowed inside. A separate ceremony was held for "gentiles," as non- Mormons are called."

From the link in the following post. Right or wrong regarding an individual's faith, I would have to think some of these issues will be discussed.

[patteeu]

And if true McCain just lost my vote...

Really? What do you dislike about Romney enough to make you base your vote (or at least your non-vote) on a VP selection?

[patteeu]

Brilliant move if this is true. Romney would be the one guy involved in this election that truly understands finance and economics. He will have major credibility at a time like this.

Romney could be John McCain's Dick Cheney! ;)

[Smed1065]

www.race42008.com is confirming that Mitt Romney will be the Vice Presidential candidate with John McCain.

So you are a wronger? Hillary is not here, much like your opinion.........Oh No way Obama wins and CM is god?


Tell me more lies.

I am neutral but I was influenced by dumb comments and lies.

TY Republican Bullshitter.

I will vote against them now. TY for the advice.

Sincerely Undecided.

Well I am now!

[SHTSPRAYER]

Really? What do you dislike about Romney enough to make you base your vote (or at least your non-vote) on a VP selection?


The Christian Right won't vote for a Mormon.

[patteeu]

So you'd rather vote for a crook, who illegally took money from Charles Keating, t