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Direckshun
07-23-2008, 07:53 PM
Just a few days before Obama lands in London, prime minister Gordon Brown has officially said that Britain will begin a withdrawal phase in early 2009.

Everything going Obama's way right now.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2008/jul/22/iraq.gordonbrown?gusrc=rss&feed=networkfront

Brown signals Iraq troops withdrawal

# Deborah Summers and Patrick Wintour
# guardian.co.uk,
# Tuesday July 22, 2008

Gordon Brown today paved the way for the withdrawal of British troops from Iraq, promising a "fundamental change" of mission in the first half of 2009.

In a Commons statement, the prime minister heaped praise on the work of British soldiers and insisted the security situation in Basra had been "transformed".

"We will continue to reduce the number of British troops in Iraq," Brown said.

"Just as last year we moved from combat to 'overwatch', we would expect a further fundamental change of mission in the first months of 2009 as we make the transition to a long term bilateral partnership with Iraq, similar to the normal relationships which our military forces have with other important countries in the region."

Brown said that violent incidents across Iraq were at their lowest since 2004.

Britain currently has around 4,000 troops based on the outskirts of the southern city of Basra.

Brown previously postponed plans to withdraw 1,500 soldiers due to a spike in militia violence.

Parliament's defense select committee has urged Brown to keep a core of troops in Iraq for years to come to continue training Iraqi police and soldiers.

Today Brown held back from giving an "artificial timetable" for troop withdrawals but gave the impression that progress is such that a withdrawal is possible within two years.

His Commons statement came as a glowing report from the defense select committee, published today, claims "a high degree of security has been restored in Basra", the centre of UK operations in Iraq.

"The preconditions are in place for political progress and economic recovery," the committee says, in a report that is far more optimistic than some of its recent assessments.

Brown, who visited Iraq at the weekend, said Britain was making progress in training Iraqi security forces, and establishing the ability of those forces to employ sophisticated counter-insurgency tactics.

The select committee was told by British and Iraqi security forces that operations against Basra militias largely loyal to Moqtada al-Sadr in March had "resulted in a seismic shift in the balance of power" and that "a large part of its importance lay in the fact that it had been conducted with Iraqi forces in the lead".

The select committee also says that although parts of Basra are not yet under government control, it will be hard for Sadr to regain political dominance since his movement cannot participate in the provincial elections while he runs an avowed militia movement.

The committee also warns that the influence of Iran remains a major factor, adding that the border "remains porous, allowing military and weaponry to flow easily from one country to another".

The Tory leader, David Cameron, today welcomed the announcement but warned against "making premature announcements about troop withdrawals which cannot be met".

NCarlsCorner2
07-23-2008, 07:55 PM
Just a few days before Obama lands in London, prime minister Gordon Brown has officially said that Britain will begin a withdrawal phase in early 2009.

Everything going Obama's way right now.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2008/jul/22/iraq.gordonbrown?gusrc=rss&feed=networkfront

Brown signals Iraq troops withdrawal

# Deborah Summers and Patrick Wintour
# guardian.co.uk,
# Tuesday July 22, 2008

Gordon Brown today paved the way for the withdrawal of British troops from Iraq, promising a "fundamental change" of mission in the first half of 2009.

In a Commons statement, the prime minister heaped praise on the work of British soldiers and insisted the security situation in Basra had been "transformed".

"We will continue to reduce the number of British troops in Iraq," Brown said.

"Just as last year we moved from combat to 'overwatch', we would expect a further fundamental change of mission in the first months of 2009 as we make the transition to a long term bilateral partnership with Iraq, similar to the normal relationships which our military forces have with other important countries in the region."

Brown said that violent incidents across Iraq were at their lowest since 2004.

Britain currently has around 4,000 troops based on the outskirts of the southern city of Basra.

Brown previously postponed plans to withdraw 1,500 soldiers due to a spike in militia violence.

Parliament's defense select committee has urged Brown to keep a core of troops in Iraq for years to come to continue training Iraqi police and soldiers.

Today Brown held back from giving an "artificial timetable" for troop withdrawals but gave the impression that progress is such that a withdrawal is possible within two years.

His Commons statement came as a glowing report from the defense select committee, published today, claims "a high degree of security has been restored in Basra", the centre of UK operations in Iraq.

"The preconditions are in place for political progress and economic recovery," the committee says, in a report that is far more optimistic than some of its recent assessments.

Brown, who visited Iraq at the weekend, said Britain was making progress in training Iraqi security forces, and establishing the ability of those forces to employ sophisticated counter-insurgency tactics.

The select committee was told by British and Iraqi security forces that operations against Basra militias largely loyal to Moqtada al-Sadr in March had "resulted in a seismic shift in the balance of power" and that "a large part of its importance lay in the fact that it had been conducted with Iraqi forces in the lead".

The select committee also says that although parts of Basra are not yet under government control, it will be hard for Sadr to regain political dominance since his movement cannot participate in the provincial elections while he runs an avowed militia movement.

The committee also warns that the influence of Iran remains a major factor, adding that the border "remains porous, allowing military and weaponry to flow easily from one country to another".

The Tory leader, David Cameron, today welcomed the announcement but warned against "making premature announcements about troop withdrawals which cannot be met".


All capable of happening due to the surge backed by McCain.

whatsmynameagain
07-24-2008, 07:02 AM
All capable of happening due to the surge backed by McCain.

so if mccain takes credit for the surge does he also take credit for the 4000 dead us soldiers?

can't have it both ways little one.


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SNR
07-24-2008, 07:44 AM
so if mccain takes credit for the surge does he also take credit for the 4000 dead us soldiers?

can't have it both ways little one.


Posted via Mobile DeviceTo be fair, McCain's Iraq plan was far from the one with which we originally went in. You can't blame him for as large of a number of troop deaths as we've had.

If you can give him credit for the surge, that's something I don't know.

whatsmynameagain
07-24-2008, 07:50 AM
To be fair, McCain's Iraq plan was far from the one with which we originally went in. You can't blame him for as large of a number of troop deaths as we've had.

If you can give him credit for the surge, that's something I don't know.

accountability please. if he takes credit for the surge and bashes obama about it then mccain is fair game to bash for leading us into a war that has helped cripple our economy.

im sorry but you can't have it both ways.
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StcChief
07-24-2008, 08:34 AM
so if mccain takes credit for the surge does he also take credit for the 4000 dead us soldiers?

can't have it both ways little one.


Posted via Mobile Deviceand Clinton can take credit for 9/11 we'll call it even.

markk
07-24-2008, 08:39 AM
oh whatever. if Obama had had his way at the more recent points during his 5 positions on Iraq, we would have immediately withdrew and secured defeat a long time ago.

whatsmynameagain
07-24-2008, 08:56 AM
QUOTE=StcChief;4865251]and Clinton can take credit for 9/11 we'll call it even.[/QUOTE]
does that mean ghwb is responsible for the first wtc attack? mccain is taking credit for something he was for in the surge. do you believe the choice to invade iraq was a good one? obama didn't think it was. his judgement was right from the start imo. just because he doesn't agree with the surge that makes mccain a better candidate vs the guy who said it was a mistake from the start?


QUOTE=StcChief;4865251]markk 09:39 AM Today
oh whatever. if Obama had had his way at the more recent points during his 5 positions on Iraq, we would have immediately withdrew and secured defeat a long time ago.[/QUOTE]

defeat? what are we trying to win? how will we know when we have won? is there some trophy?

al qaeda is estimated at 2-5% of resistence fighters in iraq. we should definitely pour out billions on a few small turds. good idea.

look at haliburtons listing on nyse, that will show you why we are really in iraq.
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Dave Lane
07-24-2008, 10:34 AM
and Clinton can take credit for 9/11 we'll call it even.

Sorry who's watch did that happen under?

Dave