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jAZ
07-25-2008, 07:47 PM
Credit to McCain's messaging folks, that's a very good line for this point in the election. Gotta respect a good shot like that.

SNR
07-25-2008, 07:51 PM
Are you being sarcastic?

HolmeZz
07-25-2008, 07:52 PM
Are you being sarcastic?

I hope.

beer bacon
07-25-2008, 08:14 PM
That's not change... you can believe in. Heh heh heh.

beer bacon
07-25-2008, 08:16 PM
Hey guys, what's the opposite of hope?

Uhhh, I don't know. Not hope?

What's another word for not hope?

Hopelessness?

Run with it!

SNR
07-25-2008, 09:52 PM
What about "The Audacity of Soap"? Because McCain's gonna clean house this election!

jAZ
07-25-2008, 11:51 PM
Are you being sarcastic?

I'm not. Just making an observation. I think it's a good idea. I don't like it, but I think it's well done.

HolmeZz
07-25-2008, 11:58 PM
I'm not. Just making an observation. I think it's a good idea. I don't like it, but I think it's well done.

I think I remember Hillary using a similar line.

A quick google shows that Stephen Colbert used 'The Audacity of Hopelessness' as 'The Word' back in March.

There was also a NYT article with that title back in February.

There've also been articles written about The Audacity of Hopelessess, directed at McCain about his stance on Iraq.

jAZ
07-26-2008, 12:50 AM
I think I remember Hillary using a similar line.

A quick google shows that Stephen Colbert used 'The Audacity of Hopelessness' as 'The Word' back in March.

There was also a NYT article with that title back in February.

There've also been articles written about The Audacity of Hopelessess, directed at McCain about his stance on Iraq.

Well, they lose points for inventiveness then. I think it can be a powerful slogan. The timing of their use of it is a little weak. Friday is dead-day. But if they keep using it in measured doses and don't come across and goobers, it could be powerful.

beer bacon
07-26-2008, 01:10 AM
I think Obama is fine as long as McCain is stuck reacting to Obama's narrative.

SBK
07-26-2008, 01:24 AM
jAZ is right on this one. When I saw that phrase used I thought that it could be a very effective shot at Obama. We'll have to wait and see, but looks like maybe McCain has finally done something right.

Otter
07-26-2008, 02:26 AM
Obama is going to win.

I'm a gambling man so if anyone wants to put up anything from a sig bet to up to $1000 PM me. Put your money where your mouth is RexJake. Many people know me on this board, I'll pay.

I'm a slave to neither party but anyone who has voted for that no good, piece of shit George Bush for a second term as he obliterates small business, sell out the rest of the country and everything else he's done wrong so you can call your leader a Christian, Republican or whatever...you're about to reap what you've sown.

Until you learn to think outside of labels I wish you nothing but what you have coming.

Sorry Jaz, I never know where to put these posts, I just feel like spouting off every now and then.

Ya know what, if Obama Hussein wasn't about to grant amnesty to 12 million law breakers I don't think he'd be that bad. Kinda like deciding between a kick in the gut or punch in the teeth.

Taco John
07-26-2008, 03:00 AM
Credit to McCain's messaging folks, that's a very good line for this point in the election. Gotta respect a good shot like that.


I guess you can't account for taste.

I personally thought it further demonstrated how out of ideas his campaign is. His whole campaign is built around Obama. He started out with the campaign slogan "A Leader You Can Believe In," a take off of Obama's "Change You Can Believe In." Then he does that weird "That's not hope you can believe in, heh heh heh" speech. His entire blog is about Obama, and Obama's positions. And when Obama is garnering press on a world tour that McCain practically dared him to take, Ole Gumball is at home showing what a down home grocery shopping guy he is. But since that didn't work, he arranges a press conference with the Dali Llama, who happened to be in the neighborhood, so he can reveal his "Audacity of Hoplessness" pun (as if McCain and the Dali Llama have a world view that is at all similar).

Gotta respect a good shot like that? Uh, go ahead. There's nothing fresh, funny, or hard hitting about bad puns from desperate guys.

My profession - and passion in life - is communication. The reason I love politics is because it's rich with it. It's an endless study in communication. I'm finding nothing new, fresh, or even interesting coming out of the McCain camp. No well timed shots. No strategy. No message outside of "Don't vote for Barack." A weak message.

This latest message is weak as well. It picks at the scab over the hurt at home over the extended troop losses, and broken homes. If McCain thinks that he can win the election on an Iraq war message, he is delusional.

But, hey... maybe along the way he can bust out a couple of Carrot Top-style props aimed at Obama, and we can learn what a well played political move it was.

jAZ
07-26-2008, 08:34 AM
I guess you can't account for taste.

I personally thought it further demonstrated how out of ideas his campaign is. His whole campaign is built around Obama. He started out with the campaign slogan "A Leader You Can Believe In," a take off of Obama's "Change You Can Believe In." Then he does that weird "That's not hope you can believe in, heh heh heh" speech. His entire blog is about Obama, and Obama's positions. And when Obama is garnering press on a world tour that McCain practically dared him to take, Ole Gumball is at home showing what a down home grocery shopping guy he is. But since that didn't work, he arranges a press conference with the Dali Llama, who happened to be in the neighborhood, so he can reveal his "Audacity of Hoplessness" pun (as if McCain and the Dali Llama have a world view that is at all similar).

Gotta respect a good shot like that? Uh, go ahead. There's nothing fresh, funny, or hard hitting about bad puns from desperate guys.

My profession - and passion in life - is communication. The reason I love politics is because it's rich with it. It's an endless study in communication. I'm finding nothing new, fresh, or even interesting coming out of the McCain camp. No well timed shots. No strategy. No message outside of "Don't vote for Barack." A weak message.

This latest message is weak as well. It picks at the scab over the hurt at home over the extended troop losses, and broken homes. If McCain thinks that he can win the election on an Iraq war message, he is delusional.

But, hey... maybe along the way he can bust out a couple of Carrot Top-style props aimed at Obama, and we can learn what a well played political move it was.

I'm not saying it's a game changer, but crediting (the wrong person it seems) a good phrase. The execution (timing, a lack of a creepy laugh at his abillity to get all the words out of his scripted line, etc) and how that fits into an overall message is another matter all together.

jAZ
07-26-2008, 08:40 AM
And I guess the ultimate measure (for non-commofiles) is effectiveness.

Even if he steals the line, butchers its delivery, slaps that stupid grin on the end of the moment where he gets all the words out in the right order, puts it into the marketplace on Friday and stops using it shortly there after...

... if the media likes it, SNL adopts it, or enough average joe's find it clever and start parroting it, it won't matter how many awards for quality it might not win, it will be a great political punch because it's effective.

If not, you'll be completely correct.

I guess my observation is that it has the potential to stick around and become part of the overall campaign dialogue.

BigChiefFan
07-26-2008, 09:14 AM
He also couldn't remember the line and had to refer to his notes at his side. Whew , that McCain has really got it together. After all, a platform based on his opponent is what real leaders do.


Some people are so out of touch, it's scary. The McCain camp can't run on their own political merits, so they try and tear down another candidate. McCain has no ****ing plan, other than to try and get a elected. Some ****ing leader. It's the surge, the surge, I tell you.

beer bacon
07-26-2008, 10:41 AM
This and Dr. No are going to win Mr McCain the election.

Adept Havelock
07-26-2008, 11:04 AM
This and Dr. No are going to win Mr McCain the election.

You think allusions to 45 year old James Bond films aren't sufficently "hip" to resonate with the electorate? :eek:

beer bacon
07-26-2008, 11:17 AM
You think allusions to 45 year old James Bond films aren't sufficently "hip" to resonate with the electorate? :eek:

Mr McCain dining at the fudge haus is going to win him this election.

Calcountry
07-26-2008, 12:11 PM
Credit to McCain's messaging folks, that's a very good line for this point in the election. Gotta respect a good shot like that.The audacity of vapidity.

Calcountry
07-26-2008, 12:14 PM
I'm not saying it's a game changer, but crediting (the wrong person it seems) a good phrase. The execution (timing, a lack of a creepy laugh at his abillity to get all the words out of his scripted line, etc) and how that fits into an overall message is another matter all together.Don't worry, Obama is the game changer, McCain is the fool that has been very fortunate, with the Presidence about to fall in his lap, due to NONE of what he stands for, but, everything that the Marxist stands for.

beer bacon
07-26-2008, 12:19 PM
Don't worry, Obama is the game changer, McCain is the fool that has been very fortunate, with the Presidence about to fall in his lap, due to NONE of what he stands for, but, everything that the Marxist stands for.

McCain is running against Barack Obama. He isn't running against some fictional Marxist.

Calcountry
07-26-2008, 04:21 PM
McCain is running against Barack Obama. He isn't running against some fictional Marxist.Who are you talking about? I am talking about Barack Hussein Obama, the Marxist.

I have seen the future, Change is good.

banyon
07-26-2008, 05:46 PM
This fugger wouldn't know a real Marxist if it bit him on the a**.

Taco John
07-26-2008, 07:29 PM
This fugger wouldn't know a real Marxist if it bit him on the a**.

They do that, you know...

penchief
07-26-2008, 07:41 PM
Who are you talking about? I am talking about Barack Hussein Obama, the Marxist.

I have seen the future, Change is good.

It can't be any worse than the road we're on now. At the rate we're going we'll all be cleaning toilets and living down by the river.

But I suppose that would still be better than giving in to some fictional bogeyman called "The Marxist."

BucEyedPea
07-26-2008, 09:00 PM
McCain is running against Barack Obama. He isn't running against some fictional Marxist.

Barack isn't fictional, but he is a Marxist. Mac is just a national socialist. BO an international one.

penchief
07-27-2008, 02:15 PM
Barack isn't fictional, but he is a Marxist. Mac is just a national socialist. BO an international one.

Oh, goody. The official Marxist detector is on the scene to clarify everything for us. What would we ever do if she didn't swoop in with her magical "scale" and save the day?

beer bacon
07-27-2008, 02:16 PM
Barack isn't fictional, but he is a Marxist. Mac is just a national socialist. BO an international one.

Explain.

Calcountry
07-28-2008, 02:26 PM
It can't be any worse than the road we're on now. At the rate we're going we'll all be cleaning toilets and living down by the river.

But I suppose that would still be better than giving in to some fictional bogeyman called "The Marxist."
I could survive down by the river, could you?

Calcountry
07-28-2008, 02:28 PM
This fugger wouldn't know a real Marxist if it bit him on the a**.Lets see, I have studied under Institutionalist, classical, neoclassical, Keynesian, and Marxist economic professors.

Liberation theology, the kind that the good reverend Jeremiah Wright preaches from his pulpit, has Marxism as its basis.

Barack Hussein, and his wife, believe DEEPLY in that message.

VAChief
07-28-2008, 02:31 PM
I could survive in a van down by the river, could you?

fyp

sorry couldn't help the SNL reference