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Chiefshrink
07-27-2008, 05:39 PM
Chase Daniel, they are almost identical in height and weight with Chase maybe being a little heavier. Wanted everyone's take on style of play between the two and if you think Daniel will be as good,better or a bust. Sarcastic loogey-hawkers not invited on this one.:)

Deberg_1990
07-27-2008, 05:41 PM
Worse
Bust,

But he probably wont even be drafted until 6th or 7th round, so thats not really a bust.

Mecca
07-27-2008, 05:41 PM
I don't think Daniel is as tall I think his height is blown up on Missouri's website...

KevB
07-27-2008, 05:42 PM
I think it's a reasonable comparison, but I'd guess Brees still has an inch or two on Chase, which is big when they're both short for the position.

Frazod
07-27-2008, 05:44 PM
Can we get through this year first, guys?

kstater
07-27-2008, 05:44 PM
As a representative of the area's "other" school, I'm getting out the popcorn.

Bowser
07-27-2008, 05:47 PM
As a representative of the area's "other" school, I'm getting out the popcorn.

Josh Freeman sucks rancid ass!

(Just trying to make you feel at home on what will undoubtedly be a MU vs. KU thread)

Deberg_1990
07-27-2008, 05:47 PM
Also, didnt Brees play in a pro style offense at Purdue?

Mecca
07-27-2008, 05:48 PM
I could see Josh Freeman being a high pick just for his physical tools.

Bowser
07-27-2008, 05:49 PM
I could see Josh Freeman being a high pick just for his physical tools.

Ron Prince is on record saying that he wouldn't be suprised in Freeman goes #1 overall in the draft.

Bowser
07-27-2008, 05:50 PM
Also, didnt Brees play in a pro style offense at Purdue?

Yes. A WCO variation, with more downfield attacking, iirc.

kstater
07-27-2008, 05:51 PM
I could see Josh Freeman being a high pick just for his physical tools.


He's still got a couple years to develop. All the people down on him forget that he was just a sophomore last year.

DeezNutz
07-27-2008, 05:52 PM
I don't think Daniel is as tall I think his height is blown up on Missouri's website...

You don't like sentences do you this is a pretty good example here just giving you shit.

Bowser
07-27-2008, 05:52 PM
He's still got a couple years to develop. All the people down on him forget that he was just a sophomore last year.

You're right, I would have sworn he was a senior this year.

God help the Big XII if he stays for his senior year.....

Ari Chi3fs
07-27-2008, 05:54 PM
I could see Josh Freeman being a high pick just for his physical tools.

Freeman will go about 5 rounds higher than Boog Danielson. Even though Freeman has sucked so far in his career... he has the "tools" they look for.

Personally I think Boog Danielson is a WAY better quarterback than Freeman...at least at this stage in Freeman's development.

Its just no one wants a booger eater leading their NFL team.

Mecca
07-27-2008, 05:55 PM
Freemans one of those guys that with his size and his natural physical tools that even if he never has a great year will shoot up in workouts, Joe Flacco's big arm rocketed him up and Freeman is tall without the anorexic look I could see a team falling in love with him.

DeezNutz
07-27-2008, 05:56 PM
Chase would be a great "pick" for the Chiefs.

ROFL ROFL ROFL

Carry on...

Mecca
07-27-2008, 05:56 PM
Freeman will go about 5 rounds higher than Boog Danielson. Even though Freeman has sucked so far in his career... he has the "tools" they look for.

Personally I think Boog Danielson is a WAY better quarterback than Freeman... its just no one like booger eaters leading an NFL team.

I'd be stunned if Freeman wasn't a first round pick, usually being over 6'5 with a huge arm will make every NFL team drool over you.

crazycoffey
07-27-2008, 05:57 PM
Freemans one of those guys that with his size and his natural physical tools that even if he never has a great year will shoot up in workouts, Joe Flacco's big arm rocketed him up and Freeman is tall without the anorexic look I could see a team falling in love with him.


Ryan Leaf had a great "look" too....

alanm
07-27-2008, 06:02 PM
Also, didnt Brees play in a pro style offense at Purdue?
Yep, so he's already a leg up on Daniel. If Missouri has Daniel play under center 50% or better it will help some.

Bowser
07-27-2008, 06:04 PM
Yep, so he's already a leg up on Daniel. If Missouri has Daniel play under center 50% or better it will help some.

That's the ONE nitpick I have with Missouri's offense. Put in an I-formation every now and again. The Pistol formation is OK, but doesn't fool anybody when you're in it.

Mecca
07-27-2008, 06:06 PM
Ryan Leaf had a great "look" too....

Ryan Leaf was actually a damn good college player.....he just wasn't mature enough to handle the NFL, but he did have every physical tool you'd look for, I'm sure every other team in the 2nd pick hole would have taken him...

There were some that thought he would be better than Manning.

alanm
07-27-2008, 06:06 PM
Freemans one of those guys that with his size and his natural physical tools that even if he never has a great year will shoot up in workouts, Joe Flacco's big arm rocketed him up and Freeman is tall without the anorexic look I could see a team falling in love with him.
Unless you have a 10 cent head. Not able to read defenses and call audibles.

crazycoffey
07-27-2008, 06:10 PM
Ryan Leaf was actually a damn good college player.....he just wasn't mature enough to handle the NFL, but he did have every physical tool you'd look for, I'm sure every other team in the 2nd pick hole would have taken him...

There were some that thought he would be better than Manning.

kinda my point. Looking at just some physical "tools" is fools play. There is more to this game. I think daniel will end up surprising people in this league. because he has a good head too.

Mecca
07-27-2008, 06:11 PM
It's one thing to lack some things but when you're to short there is no way to make up for that. He won't be able to see over the linemen.

crazycoffey
07-27-2008, 06:12 PM
It's one thing to lack some things but when you're to short there is no way to make up for that. He won't be able to see over the linemen.


neither could flutie, but in your book he probably never had any success.

crazycoffey
07-27-2008, 06:13 PM
I'm not saying the exception makes the new rules, I'm just saying playing too close to the "book" isn't what makes good chances = great player....

Mecca
07-27-2008, 06:14 PM
There's a reason Doug Flutie played in Canada for years and then was a backup.....

crazycoffey
07-27-2008, 06:18 PM
There's a reason Doug Flutie played in Canada for years and then was a backup.....

I'm sure we can find other examples, just making a point that with all your "knowledge" you still don't know anymore than anyone else. The game is played for a reason, the people that are supposed to succeed and win don't always do so.
To you, this is fun, that "general rule book" that you like to adhere all your opinions to. What's the most important position on a team, it has to be this, then this, and so on. A QB has to have these stats/gifts/and played for this school/program/"pro-offense". Well, good for you and all, but to me, I like the unpredictable aspects. This is why we butt heads sometimes. So what....

oh and to me the most important position is the team capt.

Skip Towne
07-27-2008, 06:20 PM
Where is Freeman from?

Bowser
07-27-2008, 06:21 PM
Where is Freeman from?

Grandview, MO

Skip Towne
07-27-2008, 06:23 PM
Grandview, MO

It's surprising he went to KSU with Snyder gone.

kstater
07-27-2008, 06:26 PM
It's surprising he went to KSU with Snyder gone.

He obviously likes ****ing sheep. :thumb:

Bowser
07-27-2008, 06:27 PM
He obviously likes ****ing sheep. :thumb:

NTTIAWWT

No, wait. There IS something wrong with that.

kstater
07-27-2008, 06:29 PM
NTTIAWWT

No, wait. There IS something wrong with that.

You people just understand the feeling.

Ari Chi3fs
07-27-2008, 06:29 PM
He obviously likes ****ing sheep. :thumb:

That is funny right there.ROFLROFLROFLROFL

Bowser
07-27-2008, 06:33 PM
Now wait. Are you saying he is a fan of sheep, like "He likes those ****ing sheep", or he's out For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge of sheep?

Bowser
07-27-2008, 06:34 PM
I get the feeling Vegas would love kstater, with his $1 of casino cash on display. :D

Chiefshrink
07-27-2008, 06:39 PM
I think he is definitely a "gamer" regardless of his lack of height and rarely taking any snaps under center. That quality is something your born with and cannot be developed. Either you have the hunger and drive to make plays and win at all cost(Gannon) or you just take what is given and are satisfied with whatever outcome(Grbac). Oh, I am sorry I just realized I brought up a sore topic. Who knows how it will work out but I bet he is better than Flutie ever was and Flutie definitely had his bright moments.

Ari Chi3fs
07-27-2008, 06:44 PM
One of the major problems that I see with Boog Danielson, is that in high school he played the spread offense also... so he has NEVER really taken snaps from under center.

kstater
07-27-2008, 06:46 PM
I get the feeling Vegas would love kstater, with his $1 of casino cash on display. :D
Huh?
Now wait. Are you saying he is a fan of sheep, like "He likes those ****ing sheep", or he's out For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge of sheep?

Haven't you heard? Everyone chooses KSU for the sheep and the tractors.

crazycoffey
07-27-2008, 06:55 PM
One of the major problems that I see with Boog Danielson, is that in high school he played the spread offense also... so he has NEVER really taken snaps from under center.



So this means he can't?

Coach
07-27-2008, 07:41 PM
You're right, I would have sworn he was a senior this year.

God help the Big XII if he stays for his senior year.....

Only if he can get a running game and a o-line to protect him. Now that Nelson is gone (His primarly, or should I say, K-State's whole offense, is gone)

He has his work cut out of him.

Pablo
07-27-2008, 08:24 PM
So this means he can't?It means he hasn't.

I'm sure teams aren't going to look at him and say..."he could take snaps from under center", they're going to say "he's never taken snaps from under center".

Being 5'10" will never be a favorable attribute. It really doesn't matter if you're a football genius or you're a great field captain, if you can't see over your line, you're not going to be taken seriously. Unless NFL teams start implementing spread offenses, or something ignorant like that.

Flutie and Brees are moderate successes. And they're 2 QB's out of about 1,000 in the last couple of decades to be small and still be successful. FWIW, I think Brees definitely has a couple inches and 20 less pounds than Daniel.

Mecca
07-27-2008, 09:24 PM
To put it in perspective 1 draft site lists Chase Daniel as the #15 QB for next years draft.

Deberg_1990
07-27-2008, 09:28 PM
To put it in perspective 1 draft site lists Chase Daniel as the #15 QB for next years draft.


Why cant people just accept that a great college QB doesnt mean a great NFL QB? They are two seperate games.

Mecca
07-27-2008, 09:30 PM
Why cant people just accept that a great college QB doesnt mean a great NFL QB? They are two seperate games.

Well that same site has Michael Crabtree and Cullen Harper as the Chiefs first 2 picks......I don't think they know Herm because his head would probably explode taking 2 offensive guys first.

Pitt Gorilla
07-27-2008, 09:53 PM
I'm a huge MU fan, but I'm not sure Chase has much of an NFL career ahead of him. He might be a clipboard guy like the Detmers, but I don't see him starting like Brees.

Mosbonian
07-28-2008, 12:33 AM
I'm a huge MU fan, but I'm not sure Chase has much of an NFL career ahead of him. He might be a clipboard guy like the Detmers, but I don't see him starting like Brees.

QFT....I think his only shot would be the CFL.....but what do I know, I still don't think Broehm and Woodson are good QBs. :)

DaneMcCloud
07-28-2008, 12:39 AM
QFT....I think his only shot would be the CFL.....but what do I know, I still don't think Broehm and Woodson are good QBs. :)

Yeah, but that's not mutually exclusive.

Chase Daniel would probably be the number one overall pick if he were 6'3" or taller. Brohm and Woodson (2nd & 3rd rounders, respectively) many never amount to anything in the NFL but they're a better risk than Daniel.

Daniels parents should have given him HGH when he was 10. They lost $50 million dollars.

Spicy McHaggis
07-28-2008, 12:55 AM
Brees is a good two inches taller than Daniel. Even so he's still an anomaly in the NFL, shorter QB's just aren't very prevalent. Troy Smith is the only other guy I can think of that is about that height and has a chance of starting.

Jewish Rabbi
07-28-2008, 01:44 AM
Ryan Leaf was actually a damn good college player.....he just wasn't mature enough to handle the NFL, but he did have every physical tool you'd look for, I'm sure every other team in the 2nd pick hole would have taken him...

There were some that thought he would be better than Manning.

There are some that thought Leinart would be a good QB too...

:p I'm just messin with ya, he may turn out alright.

DaneMcCloud
07-28-2008, 01:54 AM
There are some that thought Leinart would be a good QB too...

:p I'm just messin with ya, he may turn out alright.

If the Chiefs had Leinart, anything less than a 9 win season would be a major disappointment in 2008.