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Ari Chi3fs
07-27-2008, 05:57 PM
Who do you think will be in the top ten draftwise next April?

kstater
07-27-2008, 05:57 PM
Reesing. :)

Mecca
07-27-2008, 05:57 PM
Is there any position you have in mind because I can list alot more than 10...

HolmeZz
07-27-2008, 06:04 PM
Not the Top 10, but some of the top guys as of right now:

Michael Oher
Andre Smith
Matthew Stafford
Rey Maualuga
Michael Crabtree
Malcolm Jenkins
George Selvie
Michael Johnson
James Laurinaitis

Mecca
07-27-2008, 06:05 PM
You can watch basically any safety, next year is probably the best safety class I've ever seen.

Ari Chi3fs
07-27-2008, 06:06 PM
Is there any position you have in mind because I can list alot more than 10...

Well, since we are going to be drafting in the top ten... Im curious who to keep an eye on this year.

Mecca
07-27-2008, 06:09 PM
I asked because I was curious what positions you were focusing on......

There could be 2 Missouri guys in the first round that would be strange.

RustShack
07-27-2008, 06:19 PM
Give us your top 3-5 for every position Mecca. Then we can compare it next year and see how right you really are.

Skip Towne
07-27-2008, 06:20 PM
I asked because I was curious what positions you were focusing on......

There could be 2 Missouri guys in the first round that would be strange.

Who are the two?

Mecca
07-27-2008, 06:20 PM
Give us your top 3-5 for every position Mecca. Then we can compare it next year and see how right you really are.

Now it's before the season so that can drastically change during the college season.

Mecca
07-27-2008, 06:21 PM
Who are the two?

Will Moore and Maclin but that will depend on his 40 more than anything.

RustShack
07-27-2008, 06:22 PM
Now it's before the season so that can drastically change during the college season.

You can update us every week.

Coach
07-27-2008, 06:22 PM
Now it's before the season so that can drastically change during the college season.

Sure, and I agree with that assessment. It really depends on their performance during the season. They get injured? It drops. They commit a stick-up/armed robbery, that'll deftinaly drop them down.

OnTheWarpath58
07-27-2008, 06:35 PM
Sure, and I agree with that assessment. It really depends on their performance during the season. They get injured? It drops. They commit a stick-up/armed robbery, that'll deftinaly drop them down.

Probably should leave OU and Miami players off the list then, just in case...

Coach
07-27-2008, 06:37 PM
Will Moore and Maclin but that will depend on his 40 more than anything.

Since we're discussing about Missouri players in the first round, what is the probability that Daniel may sneak in at the end of the 1st round?

DaneMcCloud
07-27-2008, 06:45 PM
Since we're discussing about Missouri players in the first round, what is the probability that Daniel may sneak in at the end of the 1st round?

Zero.

Daniel will be lucky to be drafted in the 5th, if at all.

The whole "height" thing is a major issue.

Braincase
07-27-2008, 06:49 PM
I'd pay attention to everyone on Missouri's roster, including the drumline. They are going to redefine the game of football, and we'll also be changing our calendar system to B.C. and A.C. - Before Chase, and Anno Chasa - In The Year of Chase.

Mecca
07-27-2008, 06:50 PM
Since we're discussing about Missouri players in the first round, what is the probability that Daniel may sneak in at the end of the 1st round?

If you can find something to make him grow 3 or 4 inches maybe.....as of now he's going to be a late round flyer guy.

beer bacon
07-27-2008, 06:58 PM
I asked because I was curious what positions you were focusing on......

There could be 2 Missouri guys in the first round that would be strange.

There could potentially be three if Coffman has an amazing season. On the other hand, he will probably get punished for playing in the spread.

Mecca
07-27-2008, 07:01 PM
There could potentially be three if Coffman has an amazing season. On the other hand, he will probably get punished for playing in the spread.

If he comes out I think he'll be the 4th rated TE.....2 of the other ones ahead of him in my view are in the Big 12 so you all should be familiar with them.

Ari Chi3fs
07-27-2008, 07:02 PM
Reesing. :)


Reesing's a junior this year. He will be top pick in draft... NEXT YEAR. ROFL

Chiefnj2
07-27-2008, 07:17 PM
DE: Selvie (SF), Hardy (Miss), Middleton (Ind)
WR: Crabtree, Robisky
OT: Oher, Smith, Boone (maybe)
OG: Duke Robinson, Johnson
LB: Laurenitis, Maualuga, Cushing, Lee
CB: Jenkins
S: Rolle, Mays

Mecca
07-27-2008, 07:20 PM
DE: Selvie (SF), Hardy (Miss), Middleton (Ind)
WR: Crabtree, Robisky
OT: Oher, Smith, Boone (maybe)
OG: Duke Robinson, Johnson
LB: Laurenitis, Maualuga, Cushing, Lee
CB: Jenkins
S: Rolle, Mays

Robiskie won't be one of the first 4 WR's taken....

Also don't be surprised if Vontae Davis jumps Jenkins at CB..

I consider Mays and Moore the top safeties with Kam Chancellor right in behind there, I think Rolle's speed will be an issue.

RustShack
07-27-2008, 07:25 PM
How many Iowa State players you see in the top 10 :p Juuust kidding :(

Mecca
07-27-2008, 07:26 PM
How many Iowa State players you see in the top 10 :p Juuust kidding :(

Hey when there could be a Texas Tech and Illinois player top 10....

Thig Lyfe
07-27-2008, 09:38 PM
1. Tim Tebow
2. Tim Tebow
3. Tim Tebow
4. Tim Tebow
5. Tim Tebow
6. Tim Tebow
7. Tim Tebow
8. Tim Tebow
9. Tim Tebow
10. Tim Tebow

Nightfyre
07-27-2008, 10:19 PM
1. Tim Tebow
2. Tim Tebow
3. Tim Tebow
4. Tim Tebow
5. Tim Tebow
6. Tim Tebow
7. Tim Tebow
8. Tim Tebow
9. Tim Tebow
10. Tim Tebow

I would rather wait for the following year's QB crop and actually draft for value.

Ari Chi3fs
07-27-2008, 10:19 PM
Yeah, I guess if the Chiefs have a high enough pick that taking Tebow is a strong possibility eh?

Mecca
07-27-2008, 10:23 PM
I think there could end up being 4 QB's next year with 1st round grades so.

DeezNutz
07-27-2008, 10:27 PM
I didn't watch much of Ginn in college, but would Maclin grade out higher than him?

Mecca
07-27-2008, 10:29 PM
I didn't watch much of Ginn in college, but would Maclin grade out higher than him?

It'll be close honestly......I think he is a little shorter, but like I said it's a weak WR year and if he can hit a sub 4.3 40 then he has a chance of being a top 15 pick, after Crabtree there's going to be some real tossup of who the next WR is.

DeezNutz
07-27-2008, 10:30 PM
It'll be close honestly......I think he is a little shorter, but like I said it's a weak WR year and if he can hit a sub 4.3 40 then he has a chance of being a top 15 pick, after Crabtree there's going to be some real tossup of who the next WR is.

Thanks.

I know this is weak, but Maclin is a "tough" player who seems to do the little things well. Was this also true of Ginn in college?

Ari Chi3fs
07-27-2008, 10:32 PM
Maclin is a sophomore this year, right? So he won't factor into any draft thoughts...

DeezNutz
07-27-2008, 10:33 PM
Maclin is a sophomore this year, right? So he won't factor into any draft thoughts...

redshirt sophomore, so he's draft eligible.

Mecca
07-27-2008, 10:34 PM
Thanks.

I know this is weak, but Maclin is a "tough" player who seems to do the little things well. Was this also true of Ginn in college?

Eh I dunno about that, Ginn more or less got drafted high for being a track speed guy who made alot of big plays on offense and on special teams.

I think Maclins 2 holdbacks to going that high will be 1, one of the other guys he'll be competing with will be the same thing in Percy Harvin. And the other one, Darius Heyward-Bey has legit starting NFL size and ability so we'll see how this works out.

Mecca
07-27-2008, 10:34 PM
redshirt sophomore, so he's draft eligible.

He's the same thing as Crabtree and LeSean McCoy and Knowshon Moreno sometimes people forget they can all leave.

Pablo
07-27-2008, 10:35 PM
It'll be close honestly......I think he is a little shorter, but like I said it's a weak WR year and if he can hit a sub 4.3 40 then he has a chance of being a top 15 pick, after Crabtree there's going to be some real tossup of who the next WR is.Would you take Maclin over Robiskie?

Maclin is a speedster and a versatile KR type if need be, but Robiskie has great hands and great size. Not a burner by any means, but definitely a great WR prospect deserving a 1st round look.

DeezNutz
07-27-2008, 10:35 PM
Eh I dunno about that, Ginn more or less got drafted high for being a track speed guy who made alot of big plays on offense and on special teams.

I think Maclins 2 holdbacks to going that high will be 1, one of the other guys he'll be competing with will be the same thing in Percy Harvin. And the other one, Darius Heyward-Bey has legit starting NFL size and ability so we'll see how this works out.

Regarding Ginn, those were my thoughts, too. I remember the highlight returns and what not. Though this isn't the biggest thing in the world, Maclin will go downfield and block, so he plays a little bigger than what he's listed as. Granted, no one is going to confuse him with a bruiser.

Mecca
07-27-2008, 10:36 PM
Would you take Maclin over Robiskie?

Maclin is a speedster and a versatile KR type if need be, but Robiskie has great hands and great size. Not a burner by any means, but definitely a great WR prospect deserving a 1st round look.

I don't think Robiskie is a top 5 WR so that should tell you...

DeezNutz
07-27-2008, 10:37 PM
I don't think Robiskie is a top 5 WR so that should tell you...

Since I've never asked before, Mecca, why are you such a fan of USC? The talent? Local connection? Lived in CA previously?

Mecca
07-27-2008, 10:40 PM
Since I've never asked before, Mecca, why are you such a fan of USC? The talent? Local connection? Lived in CA previously?

When you're a kid you get attached to certain things, I was never a fan of what I even as a kid perceived as boring Big 8 option football, I hated Nebraska and the way all those teams played.....

So one day I was watching TV and USC was on and I saw this guy named Keyshawn and well I've been a fan of the team since then, I believe that was about 15 years ago.

DeezNutz
07-27-2008, 10:41 PM
When you're a kid you get attached to certain things, I was never a fan of what I even as a kid perceived as boring Big 8 option football, I hated Nebraska and the way all those teams played.....

So one day I was watching TV and USC was on and I saw this guy named Keyshawn and well I've been a fan of the team since then, I believe that was about 15 years ago.

I hear you. I enjoy the Yankees for much the same reason. Jeter is one of my favorite players. Talented and busts his ass = tough not to like.

Nightfyre
07-27-2008, 10:43 PM
I hear you. I enjoy the Yankees for much the same reason. Jeter is one of my favorite players. Talented and busts his ass = tough not to like.

Turn in your man card.

Mecca
07-27-2008, 10:44 PM
I'll list my top 6 WR's for next year with their size and 40's and quick run down from a site...

Michael Crabtree**, Texas Tech
Height: 6-3. Weight: 210.
Projected 40 Time: 4.48.

Doubters will say Michael Crabtree is a product of the system. So, what they're telling us is that if Randy Moss and Larry Fitzgerald played for Hawaii or Texas Tech, they wouldn't be first-round prospects? What Crabtree did as a redshirt freshman last year was downright disgusting. Try 134 receptions, 1,962 yards and 22 touchdowns. He had one of his biggest games against Oklahoma, catching 12 balls for 154 yards and a score.

2007: I know stats don't really mean anything in Texas Tech's offense, but Michael Crabtree just seems special. In the first seven contests of his collegiate career, Crabtree has 78 receptions, 1,244 yards and 17 touchdowns. What really impresses me is his combination of size and speed. That 40 time may even be faster now, as it is a bit old.

Darrius Heyward-Bey*, Maryland
Height: 6-2. Weight: 205.
Projected 40 Time: 4.33.

Darrius Heyward-Bey was inconsistent in 2007. Then again, any receiver would have been with the garbage Maryland had at quarterback (Chris Turner and Jordan Steffy combined for nine touchdowns and 11 picks). Heyward-Bey has a pretty sick 40 at his size. He has a shot to run a high 4.2.

As a freshman, Darrius Heyward-Bey led the team in receptions (45) and receiving yards (694). All of his production came toward the end of the season. Named to the preseason first-team All-ACC. Still has a lot of room to grow - it's almost scary how good this guy can become.

Percy Harvin*, Florida
Height: 5-11. Weight: 186.
Projected 40 Time: 4.32.

Percy Harvin didn't have imposing numbers as a receiver (764 yards, 10 touchdowns), but he also had 858 rushing yards. Harvin won't even be 21 by the time the 2009 NFL Draft rolls around, so some teams will find that appealing. However, Harvin will have to run a fast 40, especially at his size, if he wants to beat out Jeremy Maclin and Darrius Heyward-Bey to be second on this list.

You can look at Percy Harvin's freshman numbers (34 receptions, 427 yards) all you want, but they don't tell the whole story. Harvin dominated at the end of the 2006 campaign, garnering 91 yards against South Carolina and 62 versus Arkansas. However, Harvin saved his best performance for last, as he notched nine catches for 60 yards in the BCS Championship. Harvin is essentially a lock to go in the top 20, given his 40. If he keeps improving, he could be taken in the top five whenever he chooses to declare.

Jeremy Maclin**, Missouri
Height: 6-1. Weight: 199.
Projected 40 Time: 4.33.

If Jeremy Maclin can run a 4.29, you better believe he'll be off the board by the pick No. 15. He has a chance to do it, though if I had to bet, I'd say low 4.3.

Jeremy Maclin set the NCAA freshman record for all-purpose yardage. A dynamic return specialist, Maclin also had 1,055 receiving yards, 375 rushing yards and 13 total touchdowns in 2007. He'll be a red-shirt sophomore in 2008, so he'll be eligible for the 2009 Draft.

Louis Murphy, Florida
Height: 6-2. Weight: 204.
Projected 40 Time: 4.32.

Louis Murphy had his first productive year as a Gator last year, collecting 37 receptions, 548 yards and five scores. Those aren't monstrous numbers, so why is he ranked so high? Check out his size and 40 time. Some teams (cough, Raiders and Lions, sneeze) will consider him in Round 2.

Kenny Britt*, Rutgers
Height: 6-4. Weight: 205.
Projected 40 Time: 4.50.

If Kenny Britt runs a 4.4 at his size, he might become a lock to go in the first round. Britt had 62 receptions for 1,232 yards and eight touchdowns as a sophomore, earning a spot on the All-Big East second team. He won't even be 21 when the 2009 NFL season kicks off.

DeezNutz
07-27-2008, 10:44 PM
Turn in your man card.

Why? Should I enjoy the Glass family slamming deeznutz in a door for the past decade or so? I'm not sick, man.

Direckshun
07-27-2008, 10:46 PM
My favorites right now at positions we'll need, assuming we have a Top 5 pick:

QB:

1. Sam Bradford, Oklahoma
2. Sam Bradford, Oklahoma
3. Sam Bradford, Oklahoma
4. Matt Stafford, Georgia
5. Cullen Harper, Clemson

DE:

1. Michael Johnson, Georgia Tech
2. Greg Middleton, Indiana

WR:

1. Michael Crabtree, Texas Tech

MLB:

1. Rey Maualuga, USC
2. James Laurinaitis, Ohio State

SS:

1. Taylor Mays, USC

In all, here are my preferences.

1. QB Sam Bradford
2. WR Michael Crabtree
3. QB Matt Stafford
4. MLB Rey Maualuga
5. DE Michael Johnson
6. OT Michael Oher (I know I didn't list OT, because I'm not yet sure it's a position of need.)
7. OT Andre Smith (ditto)
8. SS Taylor Mays (devaluing of safties be damned!)
9. QB Cullen Harper
10. MLB James Laurinaitis

Nightfyre
07-27-2008, 10:46 PM
Why? Should I enjoy the Glass family slamming deeznutz in a door for the past decade or so? I'm not sick, man.

You like the YANKMEES? Ugh. Jeter is certainly an exception to their ilk, however. I'll give you that.

Mecca
07-27-2008, 10:47 PM
Why? Should I enjoy the Glass family slamming deeznutz in a door for the past decade or so? I'm not sick, man.

For some reason it's forbidden to like coastal teams if you live here even though we have several Chiefs fans on this very forum who are from California..

Mecca
07-27-2008, 10:48 PM
My favorites right now at positions we'll need, assuming we have a Top 5 pick:

QB:

1. Sam Bradford, Oklahoma
2. Sam Bradford, Oklahoma
3. Sam Bradford, Oklahoma
4. Matt Stafford, Georgia
5. Cullen Harper, Clemson

DE:

1. Michael Johnson, Georgia Tech
2. Greg Middleton, Indiana

WR:

1. Michael Crabtree, Texas Tech

MLB:

1. Rey Maualuga, USC
2. James Laurinaitis, Ohio State

SS:

1. Taylor Mays, USC

In all, here are my preferences.

1. QB Sam Bradford
2. WR Michael Crabtree
3. QB Matt Stafford
4. MLB Rey Maualuga
5. DE Michael Johnson
6. OT Michael Oher (I know I didn't list OT, because I'm not yet sure it's a position of need.)
7. OT Andre Smith (ditto)
8. SS Taylor Mays (devaluing of safties be damned!)
9. QB Cullen Harper
10. MLB James Laurinaitis

I'm going to be honest with you here......I think William Moore is almost as good as Taylor Mays so you should list both of them.

I also feel Brandon Spikes is a much better MLB option for our team than JL is.

Nightfyre
07-27-2008, 10:49 PM
For some reason it's forbidden to like coastal teams if you live here even though we have several Chiefs fans on this very forum who are from California..

I just can't see being a fan of the Royals or even BASEBALL for that matter and still like the Yankees. I mean, talk about abuse of the large market.

Direckshun
07-27-2008, 10:51 PM
I'm going to be honest with you here......I think William Moore is almost as good as Taylor Mays so you should list both of them.

I also feel Brandon Spikes is a much better MLB option for our team than JL is.
The second point is fair. I don't think JL fits our system, but he's too talented if we end up at like, #12 or something and he's still there.

Moore is a great option as well but if Mays' measurables come through, it's over. A 4.3 safety that big in the Cover 2. It's over.

DeezNutz
07-27-2008, 10:51 PM
You like the YANKMEES? Ugh. Jeter is certainly an exception to their ilk, however. I'll give you that.

Since 2001 they've been a different team. I'm thinking more of the late-90's version. I wish the Royals had someone as talented as a Derek Jeter and as tough as a Paul O'Neil...Don't get me wrong, I'm a Royals fan first, but when the team didn't even try to win for so long...well, this is a different subject entirely.

For some reason it's forbidden to like coastal teams if you live here even though we have several Chiefs fans on this very forum who are from California..

True. KC has a complex with this. The "no respect" card.

Mecca
07-27-2008, 10:54 PM
The second point is fair. I don't think JL fits our system, but he's too talented if we end up at like, #12 or something and he's still there.

Moore is a great option as well but if Mays' measurables come through, it's over. A 4.3 safety that big in the Cover 2. It's over.

Well you don't really have to sell me on Mays I know he's 6'3 225 and can run, he just needs a really productive year but it's hard to get that surrounded by other NFL talent, but yes he'd make a hell of a SS for our team.

Here's the thing if the Chiefs are picking top 5 it limits options, 1 I don't think Bradford is coming out, Michael Crabtree is probably going to be the best player in the draft...

Also George Selvie should get listed by you he's undersized yes but the cover 2 is all about undersized speed players and that is what he is and he gets to the QB.

I don't think JL should even be on the Chiefs board, he isn't good in coverage and in no way fits our scheme, he would be a bad pick.

Direckshun
07-27-2008, 10:55 PM
Well you don't really have to sell me on Mays I know he's 6'3 225 and can run, he just needs a really productive year but it's hard to get that surrounded by other NFL talent, but yes he'd make a hell of a SS for our team.

Here's the thing if the Chiefs are picking top 5 it limits options, 1 I don't think Bradford is coming out, Michael Crabtree is probably going to be the best player in the draft...

Also George Selvie should get listed by you he's undersized yes but the cover 2 is all about undersized speed players and that is what he is and he gets to the QB.
It's USF. The only players I've liked on that USF squad were the corners.

Color me biased. We'll see him this year.

Mecca
07-27-2008, 10:58 PM
There are several players that could improve the Chiefs a great deal that no one really talks about or that won't be really high picks....

Like no one talks about Malcolm Jenkins, if the Chiefs end up with like the 8th pick you basically don't have much choice but to make that pick.

Direckshun
07-27-2008, 10:59 PM
If Bradford comes out, we should just trade up to #1 and grab him. The kid's going to skyrocket in this league if his freshman year wasn't a fluke.

After that, I actually believe Oher's the best player in this Draft, but we may not need LT like we'll need an additional WR. Crabtree might push Bowe for #1 duties by his second year. Not only does having two elites make your run game better, but all of a sudden your backup WRs start looking a looooooooooot better. Crabtree would be my first pick.

After that, Maualuga would be the safe choice but Stafford wins it for me if (a.) he continues to play extremely tough, and (b.) Brodie misses a chunk of games this year due to injury.

If we somehow win enough games to pick at #5 again, I'd have us consider Michael Johnson, who's an incredible athlete off the edge, or either one of those elite OTs, and move Albert to OG or RT (which is why I hated drafting him in the 1st).

Direckshun
07-27-2008, 11:00 PM
There are several players that could improve the Chiefs a great deal that no one really talks about or that won't be really high picks....

Like no one talks about Malcolm Jenkins, if the Chiefs end up with like the 8th pick you basically don't have much choice but to make that pick.
Aren't you the "you don't need elite corners in Cover 2" guy?

I'm almost sure I've had that conversation with you about 9,000,000 times.

Mecca
07-27-2008, 11:01 PM
I don't think they should take a MLB with a top 5 pick.....you can get Beckworth or Spikes at the top of round 2 and be just as good...

If they're in the top 5 it has to be a OT, DE, QB or WR....

Personally if they do have the 1st pick it's Crabtree he's got everything you want.

Mecca
07-27-2008, 11:03 PM
Aren't you the "you don't need elite corners in Cover 2" guy?

I'm almost sure I've had that conversation with you about 9,000,000 times.

Yes but at the same time that is a valuable position and when you get stuck in a slot like 8 you take the best remaining player.....I do believe he will slide to between 8-12 and get jumped by Vontae Davis when a guy who was well thought of returns for another year it only hurts them, they are to well known and seen to much so all that people point out is their mistakes and flaws.

Nightfyre
07-27-2008, 11:03 PM
I don't think they should take a MLB with a top 5 pick.....you can get Beckworth or Spikes at the top of round 2 and be just as good...

If they're in the top 5 it has to be a OT, DE, QB or WR....

Personally if they do have the 1st pick it's Crabtree he's got everything you want.

If spikes would legitimately drop all the way to the second round (or at least within firing distance) I would love that value.

Direckshun
07-27-2008, 11:03 PM
I don't think they should take a MLB with a top 5 pick.....you can get Beckworth or Spikes at the top of round 2 and be just as good...

If they're in the top 5 it has to be a OT, DE, QB or WR....

Personally if they do have the 1st pick it's Crabtree he's got everything you want.
I don't know, man, the Cover 2 MLB needs to be so big and so fast and so skilled in coverage...

That's a hell of a skillset. You can find guys that fit that, but the selection of guys who can blow that out of the water is so rare.

Mecca
07-27-2008, 11:04 PM
He probably will, LB is a devalued position unless the guy is a pass rusher, people talk about Maualuga and JL all the time but I have a real hard time believing either one is going top 10.

Mecca
07-27-2008, 11:06 PM
I don't know, man, the Cover 2 MLB needs to be so big and so fast and so skilled in coverage...

That's a hell of a skillset. You can find guys that fit that, but the selection of guys who can blow that out of the water is so rare.

Well the 2 most important positions in the defense are DT and DE...and we need some DE's pretty damn bad.

Nightfyre
07-27-2008, 11:06 PM
He probably will, LB is a devalued position unless the guy is a pass rusher, people talk about Maualuga and JL all the time but I have a real hard time believing either one is going top 10.

Mayo isn't a Maualuga or JL; and he went top 10. I dunno, its really hard to say, especially this early.

Nightfyre
07-27-2008, 11:07 PM
Well the 2 most important positions in the defense are DT and DE...and we need some DE's pretty damn bad.

I hope (and am optimistic about) Hali has a real breakout year this year. Sophomore slump, etc. etc.

Direckshun
07-27-2008, 11:08 PM
Well the 2 most important positions in the defense are DT and DE...and we need some DE's pretty damn bad.
I don't think you pick two DTs in the Top 5 two years in a row. Bad business there.

And outside of Johnson, I don't see a DE worth that high of a pick. It initially looks like a weak year at DE.

Mecca
07-27-2008, 11:09 PM
Mayo isn't a Maualuga or JL; and he went top 10. I dunno, its really hard to say, especially this early.

Mayo moved up that high because he got projected that he could play inside or outside and had great workout numbers.....

Him and Rivers both went high and Keith Rivers is about as polished a college LB as I've ever seen, and frankly I think even the Pats would admit that Mayo pick was a little high due to their needs.

For Spikes to go in the first you're asking 3 MLB's to go in the first plus the OLB's that'll be drafted.....I just don't see 5-6 regular LB's going in the first round.

Direckshun
07-27-2008, 11:09 PM
Mayo isn't a Maualuga or JL; and he went top 10. I dunno, its really hard to say, especially this early.
That was a massive reach by the Pats, though.

Mecca
07-27-2008, 11:10 PM
I don't think you pick two DTs in the Top 5 two years in a row. Bad business there.

And outside of Johnson, I don't see a DE worth that high of a pick. It initially looks like a weak year at DE.

I've got news for you.....I can roll off several DE's from this class that are going to be very well thought of and will shoot up boards most likely...

Direckshun
07-27-2008, 11:10 PM
Mayo moved up that high because he got projected that he could play inside or outside and had great workout numbers.....

Him and Rivers both went high and Keith Rivers is about as polished a college LB as I've ever seen, and frankly I think even the Pats would admit that Mayo pick was a little high due to their needs.

For Spikes to go in the first you're asking 3 MLB's to go in the first plus the OLB's that'll be drafted.....I just don't see 5-6 regular LB's going in the first round.
I see it.

You said the same thing about OTs this year and, like, 6 went in the first round.

Direckshun
07-27-2008, 11:10 PM
I've got news for you.....I can roll off several DE's from this class that are going to be very well thought of and will shoot up boards most likely...
But is it a deep class?

That's where my concerns lie.

Nightfyre
07-27-2008, 11:11 PM
I see it.

You said the same thing about OTs this year and, like, 6 went in the first round.

I'd say that was a genuine run on the talent; but it does happen.

Mecca
07-27-2008, 11:12 PM
I see it.

You said the same thing about OTs this year and, like, 6 went in the first round.

That's a highly valued position...I think teams reached on some but the teams overvalue that one just like LB's unless they are pass rushers get undervalued.

Nightfyre
07-27-2008, 11:12 PM
That was a massive reach by the Pats, though.

No argument from me on that one, lol. I'm just pointing out that they do happen.

Direckshun
07-27-2008, 11:14 PM
That's a highly valued position...I think teams reached on some but the teams overvalue that one just like LB's unless they are pass rushers get undervalued.
That's fair. But I mean teams were trading up for ****ing Sam Baker and Duane Brown went in the 20s.

Insane shit happens. All it takes is two teams, let's say at #11 and #12, take RM and JL, and all of a sudden everyone panics. OMG WTF TRADE UP TAKE LBs GO GO GO

Mecca
07-27-2008, 11:16 PM
I think next years class has better OT's than this one did.....I suspect to see alot of OT's, DE's a couple WR's.....

Maualuga and JL will go in the first...Brian Cushing likely will also but I can see Beckworth and Spikes dropping because their 40's aren't quite as good even though they are actually better in coverage.

Mecca
07-27-2008, 11:17 PM
That's fair. But I mean teams were trading up for ****ing Sam Baker and Duane Brown went in the 20s.

Insane shit happens. All it takes is two teams, let's say at #11 and #12, take RM and JL, and all of a sudden everyone panics. OMG WTF TRADE UP TAKE LBs GO GO GO

Rivers went 9 and Mayo went 10 when was the next LB like them taken, when I say that I mean a traditional non 3-4 rush backer.

ChiefsCountry
07-27-2008, 11:20 PM
Rivers went 9 and Mayo went 10 when was the next LB like them taken, when I say that I mean a traditional non 3-4 rush backer.

Early second round with Lofton with Atlanta I think.

Mecca
07-27-2008, 11:22 PM
It's just like this, I'd never take a LB with a top 10 pick unless I was a 3-4 team drafting LT or something like that.

I'm pretty sure Duke Robinson is going to be a 10 time pro bowl guard but I'm not taking him with a top 10 pick either.

Nightfyre
07-27-2008, 11:23 PM
It's just like this, I'd never take a LB with a top 10 pick unless I was a 3-4 team drafting LT or something like that.

I'm pretty sure Duke Robinson is going to be a 10 time pro bowl guard but I'm not taking him with a top 10 pick either.

I'd give my left nut to have another will shields for another decade. Just saying.

Mecca
07-27-2008, 11:26 PM
I'd give my left nut to have another will shields for another decade. Just saying.

Guards just aren't worth that high of a pick even if you know he's gonna be that good.....you can get a good guard in the middle rounds.

Direckshun
07-27-2008, 11:26 PM
I got fleeced for pissing on the Albert pick.

But if we end up with the #5 pick next year again, and Oher or Smith falls in our lap, and we have to move Albert to OG or RT... I pretty much will have been vindicated. We will have a spent a #15 pick on a nonvaluable position.

Mecca
07-27-2008, 11:28 PM
I got fleeced for pissing on the Albert pick.

But if we end up with the #5 pick next year again, and Oher or Smith falls in our lap, and we have to move Albert to OG or RT... I pretty much will have been vindicated. We will have a spent a #15 pick on a nonvaluable position.

Eh if they moved him to RT it wouldn't be a huge deal you'd just have 2 awesome book ends and well with this emphasis on pass rushers even heavier than it was with the Giants winning and all the 3-4 teams that wouldn't be a bad thing to have...

By the way....I'm up to about 10 DE's I think can be very good NFL players that will almost certainly be in next years class.....I think next years DE class will be very good.

Nightfyre
07-27-2008, 11:29 PM
I got fleeced for pissing on the Albert pick.

But if we end up with the #5 pick next year again, and Oher or Smith falls in our lap, and we have to move Albert to OG or RT... I pretty much will have been vindicated. We will have a spent a #15 pick on a nonvaluable position.

I still like the risk:reward we got for Albert. I mean, he projects to LT and even if he fails he will still be an excellent guard. Maybe it's just me, though.

Direckshun
07-27-2008, 11:29 PM
I'm up to about 10 DE's I think can be very good NFL players that will almost certainly be in next years class.....I think next years DE class will be very good.
Talk. Share. Illuminate us. We've all got nothing else to do.

ChiefsCountry
07-27-2008, 11:30 PM
I got fleeced for pissing on the Albert pick.

But if we end up with the #5 pick next year again, and Oher or Smith falls in our lap, and we have to move Albert to OG or RT... I pretty much will have been vindicated. We will have a spent a #15 pick on a nonvaluable position.

It was a middle of first round pick, guard wouldnt be ideal but Steve Hutchinson was taken in that range and he is probally the best guard in the NFL. Now if it was at #5 then I would throw a hissy fit.

Direckshun
07-27-2008, 11:30 PM
I still like the risk:reward we got for Albert. I mean, he projects to LT and even if he fails he will still be an excellent guard. Maybe it's just me, though.
Oh, it's definitely not just you. LOL

Nightfyre
07-27-2008, 11:30 PM
Eh if they moved him to RT it wouldn't be a huge deal you'd just have 2 awesome book ends and well with this emphasis on pass rushers even heavier than it was with the Giants winning and all the 3-4 teams that wouldn't be a bad thing to have...

By the way....I'm up to about 10 DE's I think can be very good NFL players that will almost certainly be in next years class.....I think next years DE class will be very good.

If it's that deep there could be some real value in the early third, imo. especially following this year's class.

Direckshun
07-27-2008, 11:33 PM
It was a middle of first round pick, guard wouldnt be ideal but Steve Hutchinson was taken in that range and he is probally the best guard in the NFL. Now if it was at #5 then I would throw a hissy fit.
Oh man, I've already done the rounds on Albert.

I'll just say what I said then: if Albert turns out to be a stud LT, I am a horse's ass. If he holds his own, I'm wrong. But if he struggles and they have to move him elsewhere, I think that's a lousy-ass pick that could have gone to Rodgers-Cromartie, Mike Jenkins, or Devin Thomas.

Mecca
07-27-2008, 11:33 PM
Ok I'm going to split them because some of these guys would have to be strong side DE's and wouldn't be first round picks but would be real nice players to have.....

Firstly on the pass rush side we have...

Michael Johnson
George Selvie
Eric Moncur
Greg Hardy
Maurice Evans
Lawrence Wilson-this guy along with Moncur are the ones I see with huge breakout potential this year.

On the strong side we'll have
Greg Middleton
Kyle Moore

Mecca
07-27-2008, 11:34 PM
Oh man, I've already done the rounds on Albert.

I'll just say what I said then: if Albert turns out to be a stud LT, I am a horse's ass. If he holds his own, I'm wrong. But if he struggles and they have to move him elsewhere, I think that's a lousy-ass pick that could have gone to Rodgers-Cromartie, Mike Jenkins, or Devin Thomas.

I don't think Thomas is going to be all that good..he had 1 good year in college and well, his hands are kinda suspect aswell.

Direckshun
07-27-2008, 11:41 PM
Ok I'm going to split them because some of these guys would have to be strong side DE's and wouldn't be first round picks but would be real nice players to have.....

Firstly on the pass rush side we have...

Michael Johnson
George Selvie
Eric Moncur
Greg Hardy
Maurice Evans
Lawrence Wilson-this guy along with Moncur are the ones I see with huge breakout potential this year.

On the strong side we'll have
Greg Middleton
Kyle Moore
Okay, Maurice Evans I can see. But other than him and the aforementioned Middleton and Johnson, I'm not excited yet.

I'll give it a year.

Mecca
07-27-2008, 11:43 PM
Lawrence Wilson was better thought of than Vernon Gholston entering last year then he broke his leg.....

I think that guy may vault himself into being a top 5-10 pick...

Personally I list Kyle Moore and he plays at SC, here's the thing with him he plays in the cover 2 and he's a great player to have he starts for us there but in the NFL he'd be a great pick in say the 4th round. He's 285 knows the defense and is a great run defender and would give you some options.

Direckshun
07-27-2008, 11:55 PM
Lawrence Wilson was better thought of than Vernon Gholston entering last year then he broke his leg.....

I think that guy may vault himself into being a top 5-10 pick...

Personally I list Kyle Moore and he plays at SC, here's the thing with him he plays in the cover 2 and he's a great player to have he starts for us there but in the NFL he'd be a great pick in say the 4th round. He's 285 knows the defense and is a great run defender and would give you some options.
Well lord knows you nailed the Chiefs' draft forwards and backwards, so you've earned the benefit of the doubt at this point.

If things pan out as I suspect they will (mainly this team will struggle, Croyle will flame out, and Bradford will NOT declare), this is a starter draft for us if we're around #3:

1. Stafford
2. DE Pannel Egboh, Stanford
3. MLB Dannell Ellerbe, Georgia
4. WR Greg Matthews, Michigan
5. DE Jeremy Jarmon, Kentucky
6. OG Paul Fanaika, Arizona State
7. some DT from a smaller school who tore it up, let's say Jake Visser for Ferris State.

We still have a shitload of holes, though. I wouldn't mind us finding some way to shop Tony G or Waters or somebody to get us some picks.

Thig Lyfe
07-27-2008, 11:55 PM
GUYS WHY ARE WE STILL TALKING ABOUT THIS THE ONLY ANSWER IS TIM TEBOW!!!!!!!!!!!

Pablo
07-28-2008, 12:01 AM
GUYS WHY ARE WE STILL TALKING ABOUT THIS THE ONLY ANSWER IS TIM TEBOW!!!!!!!!!!!Tebow won't play for us unless we make jorts parts of the official team uniform.

RustShack
07-28-2008, 01:59 AM
I would love to have Oher, even if Alberts does a great job. We can move Alberts to RG then have our Roaf and Shields back,! and 10 years younger.

DaKCMan AP
07-28-2008, 06:30 AM
Tebow won't play for us unless we make jorts parts of the official team uniform.


4321

Rausch
07-28-2008, 06:49 AM
By the way....I'm up to about 10 DE's I think can be very good NFL players that will almost certainly be in next years class.....I think next years DE class will be very good.

Which makes this year's draft even better.

We didn't panic and overvalue a DE to replace Allen, we filled holes AND got great value.

Next year if Hali/Whomever don't cut it we can take another swipe at DE. Hopefully DE and another CB.

Oh, and of course a Safety. Safeties are like Jello in KC: there's always room for more...

DaKCMan AP
07-29-2008, 10:48 AM
Eh I dunno about that, Ginn more or less got drafted high for being a track speed guy who made alot of big plays on offense and on special teams.

I think Maclins 2 holdbacks to going that high will be 1, one of the other guys he'll be competing with will be the same thing in Percy Harvin. And the other one, Darius Heyward-Bey has legit starting NFL size and ability so we'll see how this works out.

Word is Percy Harvin has bulked up this summer. He now weighs over 200lbs and benches 400lbs.

Visual evidence:

http://www.gatorcountry.com/images/uploads/football/percyharvinbulked.jpg

El Jefe
07-29-2008, 10:55 AM
Robiskie won't be one of the first 4 WR's taken....

Also don't be surprised if Vontae Davis jumps Jenkins at CB..
I consider Mays and Moore the top safeties with Kam Chancellor right in behind there, I think Rolle's speed will be an issue.

I don't think that will happen, Jenkins is tight in every aspect. He can play both safety and CB, and he is a lock down CB for sure. He plays CB 3/4 of the time, but will play S in certain packages.

El Jefe
07-29-2008, 11:00 AM
Lawrence Wilson was better thought of than Vernon Gholston entering last year then he broke his leg.....
I think that guy may vault himself into being a top 5-10 pick...

Personally I list Kyle Moore and he plays at SC, here's the thing with him he plays in the cover 2 and he's a great player to have he starts for us there but in the NFL he'd be a great pick in say the 4th round. He's 285 knows the defense and is a great run defender and would give you some options.

REP. Not many people know that, you seem to be well rounded in your College football knowledge. Lawrence Wilson in one word is a "stud".

Ari Chi3fs
07-29-2008, 11:23 AM
If I were Mecca.... I would buy the domain DraftMecca.com or something, and put up a site with my insights.

Good shit, man.

Direckshun
07-29-2008, 01:11 PM
If I were Mecca.... I would buy the domain DraftMecca.com or something, and put up a site with my insights.

Good shit, man.
No shit, the guy's a pro.

He pretty much deserves the red carpet treatment this year. He just about nailed the Chiefs draft.

SBK
07-29-2008, 01:23 PM
If we're in the top 5 I'd expect us to be looking at QB, hard.

RustShack
07-29-2008, 01:34 PM
If we're in the top 5 I'd expect us to be looking at QB, hard.

Or Oline, one of the two. I have a feeling we draft defense in the first round though. Defense!

Mecca
07-29-2008, 02:17 PM
I don't think that will happen, Jenkins is tight in every aspect. He can play both safety and CB, and he is a lock down CB for sure. He plays CB 3/4 of the time, but will play S in certain packages.

It's in no way a knock on Jenkins who I feel is the better player, it's my theory on how the draft process works. I think Jenkins, Laurenaitis, and possibly Maualuga to an extent will be affected by returning when they were potential top 10 picks.

But it will affect Jenkins a bit due to his position the MLB's are probably not top 10 picks either way due to position.

But onto why I think that, when you have been on the radar for a long time people will forget all your positives and point out nothing but your flaws, while a late riser will have the positives reinforced while not being on the map long enough to have all of his negatives discussed nearly as much.

In the Jenkins/Davis battle I see a couple things that will hurt Jenkins, 1 he's been on the radar longer and Davis will be the late riser, when they workout I think Davis will post better numbers especially in the 40 I watched him catch Joe McKnight from behind...

The other thing that I think will factor in that some people probably don't know is that Vontae is Vernon Davis' brother, which is also why I think his workout will be stupid ridiculous good.

I think Jenkins is better but being on the radar longer, being more well known and then he likely won't post the same workout numbers at a position like CB, I think Davis has a legit chance of jumping him.

Mecca
07-29-2008, 06:45 PM
This thread should be higher just because it's interesting!

DaKCMan AP
08-06-2008, 12:06 PM
More on Harvin:

A really good player when injured, Harvin vows he'll be even better

By Kyle Tucker (http://hamptonroads.com/2007/10/kyle-tucker)
The Virginian-Pilot
August 5, 2008

Here's a scary thought: Percy Harvin says he's been gimpy the last two seasons.

He says he had a bum wheel in 2006, when he was voted the Southeastern Conference's Freshman of the Year and helped the University of Florida win a national title. He claims he was hurting in 2007, when he was a first-team All-American.

No, seriously, the former Landstown High star says he had 1,285 yards in receptions, rushed for 1,192 more yards and averaged 11.4 yards per touch in college... all with a mysterious heel injury.

"I didn't feel right for years," he said.

That's not really even the scary part. This is: He says he's healthy these days.

"Oh, I'm real good now," Harvin said recently. "I'm running straight ahead almost full speed. I just have to get my cutting back, but I'll be ready. This surgery changed everything."

Harvin isn't sure about the name of the surgery he had after last season. Florida has been fairly vague about it. This much is known: A right heel injury, previously diagnosed as simple tendinitis, hampered Harvin for three years, dating to high school.

Some have questioned Harvin's durability in college; he missed practices and game time in each of his first two seasons with a laundry list of minor ailments, including migraines.

Most of it, he said, was really the heel.

"My other injuries were coming from me overcompensating," Harvin said. "Once they figured out what was really wrong, we had to call doctors all over the country to find one who could do the surgery.

"I think I was the first person in the country to have that surgery."
Whatever the procedure, however rare, Harvin has recovered nicely. He said two weeks ago that he was 90 percent, adding, "I don't even know what 100 percent is. The sky is the limit now."

Florida coach Urban Meyer said he doesn't expect any more issues with the heel. He also thinks Harvin will answer any remaining questions about his durability when the junior unveils his new body this fall. At SEC Media Days this summer, Meyer remarked, "We rocked him up."

Harvin now weighs more than 200 pounds, up from 185, and reportedly bench presses more than 400. To go with his elite speed and quickness, Harvin is now one of the strongest pound-for-pound players on his team.
"Part of you wants to line him up at tailback and let him go," Meyer told reporters. "I think he would be one of the best tailbacks in the country. Handing him the football, getting him the ball, is going to be a big part of our offense."

Harvin said the Gators' first goal this season is an SEC title. But for Florida, ranked fifth in the preseason coaches' poll, there's always hope for more.
"Definitely," Harvin said. "We want that national title. We've got a lot of the missing pieces now in place. With our team chemistry right now, this should be one of those ridiculous-type years."

So ridiculous, in fact, that it isn't out of the realm of possibility that Harvin and his quarterback, Tim Tebow, could end up in New York in December as Heisman finalists. Tebow won it last year.

A teammate tandem has precedence. Former Southern California quarterback Matt Leinart won the Heisman in 2004, then moved over for Trojan running back/receiver Reggie Bush to win it the next year.

"I try not to think too much about that," Harvin said. "If you ask me, I'll say (Tebow) should win it. Ask him, he'll say I should. But the Heisman's not our real goal. It's that championship."

The hardware will be sorted out soon enough. For now, the facts are these: Harvin is healthy. The Gators are good.

And he'd like to add one more: "We expect to score every time we step on the field. We'll be a force to be reckoned with."

Kyle Tucker, (757) 446-2374, kyle.tucker@pilotonline.com


http://hamptonroads.com/2008/08/really-good-player-when-injured-harvin-vows-hell-be-even-better

Direckshun
08-06-2008, 12:11 PM
What QBs does everybody like?

Curious who you folks think I should watch. Give me a few names.

Opinions especially sought about Cullen Harper and Curtis Painter.

DaKCMan AP
08-06-2008, 12:17 PM
What QBs does everybody like?

Curious who you folks think I should watch. Give me a few names.

Some of the top prospects are probably Matt Stafford (UGA), Sam Bradford (OU), Tim Tebow (UF), Hunter Cantwell (Louisville), Todd Boeckman (OSU), Rudy Carpenter (ASU), Graham Harrell (TT).

People either love Tebow or hate him. I think it gets decided this season.

DaKCMan AP
08-06-2008, 12:19 PM
What QBs does everybody like?

Curious who you folks think I should watch. Give me a few names.

Opinions especially sought about Cullen Harper and Curtis Painter.

Harper had an impressive year last season and should improve this year. There's no reason he shouldn't. Painter is inconsistent and, although he has great size, Purdue QBs usually put up numbers.

I'd watch Harper more than Painter and I'd keep an eye on Hunter Cantwell too.

Buehler445
08-06-2008, 12:20 PM
"Definitely," Harvin said. "We want that national title. We've got a lot of the missing pieces now in place. With our team chemistry right now, this should be one of those ridiculous-type years."

Bulletin Board Material

Is Harvin just a Junior?

DaKCMan AP
08-06-2008, 12:22 PM
"Definitely," Harvin said. "We want that national title. We've got a lot of the missing pieces now in place. With our team chemistry right now, this should be one of those ridiculous-type years."

Bulletin Board Material

Is Harvin just a Junior?

True junior.

Direckshun
08-06-2008, 02:18 PM
Harper had an impressive year last season and should improve this year. There's no reason he shouldn't. Painter is inconsistent and, although he has great size, Purdue QBs usually put up numbers.

I'd watch Harper more than Painter and I'd keep an eye on Hunter Cantwell too.
I know, but what are your takes on these guys.

Frankie
08-06-2008, 02:57 PM
Since our '09 1st rounder is most likely a middle linebacker, who are the top 2 or 3 MLBs to watch?

Mecca
08-06-2008, 03:04 PM
Since our '09 1st rounder is most likely a middle linebacker, who are the top 2 or 3 MLBs to watch?

I disagree with this, in todays game taking a MLB with a top 10 pick isn't really a good idea....they should be taking a QB or a DE, or maybe a OT and that's it...or Michael Crabtree if it breaks that way.

DaKCMan AP
08-06-2008, 03:50 PM
Since our '09 1st rounder is most likely a middle linebacker, who are the top 2 or 3 MLBs to watch?

IMO, the top 2 MLBs are Rey Maualuga from USC and Brandon Spikes from UF. I think Spikes will be a better pro (and better fit for our style D) than Laurinaitis.

El Jefe
08-06-2008, 03:56 PM
IMO, the top 2 MLBs are Rey Maualuga from USC and Brandon Spikes from UF. I think Spikes will be a better pro (and better fit for our style D) than Laurinaitis.

Disagree, JL fits perfectly into our defense. He is great in pass coverage, he has had quite a few Interceptions, he is great in run D, and great at getting to the QB. He IMO is the best LB in the Nation, I think Rey and JL are close, but JL is better IMO. I think Rey is better than Spikes also.

Watch out for Marcus Freeman from tOSU, he is a playmaker 5th year senior, he is very savvy and very smart. He was an All-American, and look for him in the bottom of the 1st, depending on how well we/he does this year.

Malcolm Jenkins is the Champ Bailey of the NCAA.

El Jefe
08-06-2008, 03:58 PM
Harper had an impressive year last season and should improve this year. There's no reason he shouldn't. Painter is inconsistent and, although he has great size, Purdue QBs usually put up numbers.

I'd watch Harper more than Painter and I'd keep an eye on Hunter Cantwell too.
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I agree with you on Harper and Painter. Painter I have watched every year, he is truly a system QB. Purdue can't run the ball, so seeing their QB's put up 300yds and 2tds a game is the usual, unless they play someone with a great run D, then their offense just sucks.

SBK
08-06-2008, 04:02 PM
On the QB front it'll be interesting to see how much Stafford (UGA) and Bradford (OU) improve. If the progress enough they will both be very high picks.

SBK
08-06-2008, 04:02 PM
If Tebow miraculously looks like a QB this year he could be someone that's picked high, although I'd prefer it not be by us.

Mecca
08-06-2008, 04:06 PM
If Vince Young can be a high pick so can Tebow.

El Jefe
08-06-2008, 07:04 PM
If Vince Young can be a high pick so can Tebow.

I am not going to hate on Tebow, he is a really good player. That being said, I don't want him on my team in the NFL, I really don't think he is going to be good enough to warrant a top pick.

SBK
08-07-2008, 01:53 PM
I'm throwing this hypothetical out there since I'd like this thread to get moving again....

Let's say we have a top 5 pick and take a QB or a lineman. If someone like Maulagua is still around near pick 20 or so do you consider either trading up, or trading your first rounder next year?

Mecca
08-07-2008, 04:01 PM
Probably not....I don't usually think LB's are worth first round picks unless you pick in the bottom of the round.

Frankie
08-10-2008, 07:59 AM
Let's say we have a top 5 pick and take a QB or a lineman. If someone like Maulagua is still around near pick 20 or so do you consider either trading up, or trading your first rounder next year?

Assuming you meant "trading DOWN" and further assuming (and hoping) that Croyle proves to be a solid QB, trading down would be my preferred scenario. If we can get Maulagua with a late first and have some nice extra picks it would be pretty helpful. Although if Oher is still there when we pick,.... I don't know.