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BigCatDaddy
07-29-2008, 11:50 AM
For AA shortstop Jason Donald -Per 810

Dartgod
07-29-2008, 11:52 AM
Dang, that's a pretty good hit to our BP, but Mahay really has no future with us.

What kind of talent did we geet in return?

Stewie
07-29-2008, 11:53 AM
Good move by the Phillies IMO. They're in the hunt and it fills a need. Anyone know anything about this Donald kid?

Dartgod
07-29-2008, 11:54 AM
I'm Googling him as we speak.

Here's his profile from the Phillies AA team page:

http://www.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?n=Jason%20Donald&pos=SS&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=453228

Fish
07-29-2008, 11:55 AM
Player Profile: Jason Donald

May 9, 2007 — phuturephillies http://phuturephillies.files.wordpress.com/2007/02/donald.jpg

The hottest Phillie in the minors right now, I felt it was time to give Jason Donald some face time. It’s tougher to write player profiles for guys just drafted last June, especially if they aren’t heralded prospects, which is the case for Donald. Nevertheless, his hot start won’t be ignored by this author, and we’ll try to figure out what to expect going forward. At this point, I’ll also take requests for the next batch of player profiles, but I don’t know when I’ll get to them, as I’m still busy tweaking and adjusting my projection/evaluation system. But, post away, let me know what you think of this profile, and let me know which players you’d like to see profiled in the near future.

The Phillies selected shortstop Jason Donald (http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/D/Jason-Donald.shtml) in the third round of the 2006 draft, #97 overall, out of the University of Arizona as a junior. Donald was drafted out of high school by the Los Angeles (then Anaheim) Angels in the 20th round of the 2003 draft and offered a sizable bonus, but he chose instead to go to Arizona, where he felt he could raise his profile and become an eventual first round pick. Donald did help Arizona reach the 2004 College World Series, but didn’t help raise his draft stock. A solid all around shortstop, Donald was known early on for his rocket arm, which rates anywhere from a 70-80 on the 20-80 scouting scale. The offensive side of his game wasn’t as polished, and that was the area he hoped to improve, which would lead to him climbing everyone’s draft board in 2006. Well, the offense never developed the way he hoped, he never became the eventual first round pick he hoped to be, but the Phillies popped him in the third round and signed him for $400,000. Donald’s other tools were considered average except his speed, which was already considered a tick below average. He was ticketed as a future utility player even upon being drafted, which normally never gives you much hope or reason for excitement.

Let’s take a look at Donald’s three years at Arizona, then his Batavia debut and try to sort out his numbers
FRSH, 2004: .322/.381/.475 — 21 XBH (25%) — 18 BB (6.1%) — 63 K (21.4%)
SOPH, 2005: .288/.398/.473 — 26 XBH (41%) –22 BB (8.3%) — 51 K (19.3%)
JUNR, 2006: .332/.401/.528 — 29 XBH (38%) — 19 BB (7.3%) — 48 K (18.3%)

All things considered, these are fairly consistent numbers. His extra base hit percentage jumped in his second and third seasons, which indicates a bit more power. His ISO rates were .153, .185, and .196, which again indicate an increase in power. He improved his walk rate from his freshman year to his sophomore year, but dipped a bit his junior season, though he was still above his freshman year rate. He also cut down his strikeouts in both his sophomore and junior seasons. When I look at those numbers, I see a guy who improved offensively, not major jaw dropping improvements, but more sustained growth, which is a positive.

Batavia, 2006: .263./.347/.362 — 17 XBH (30%) — 23 BB (9.5%) — 42 K (17.4%)

Some really interesting things in that line, things you wouldn’t necessarily gain by just looking at his three slash numbers. His extra base hit percentage dropped to 30%, but that’s an area that isn’t surprising at all, considering the adjustment from aluminum to wood, and considering the New York Penn League is one of the tougher hitting environments in baseball. He was generally facing very good college pitchers, or guys who already had a year in the rookie leagues and were making their first appearance in a short season league. Factor in the fatigue factor of playing a full college season, and the power drop isn’t surprising at all. However, the best part of that line is his walk rate actually improved in pro ball to a level he didn’t reach in college, and his K rate dropped to a career low for him. When you add those two factors together, it gives you a lot of reason to hope.

Now, let’s take a look at his SMALL SAMPLE for 2007

Lakewood, 2007: .369/.429/.523 — 10 XBH (24%) — 10 BB (7.9%) — 19 K (15.1%)

Hmmm. His XBH% has continued to drop, his walk rate is a bit lower than his 2006 debut, but his K rate continues to drop. While you’d like to see the walk rate up around 9% and the XBH% up around 35%, the fact that his K rate continues to drop means he’s making consistent contact, and that’s evident in the .369 batting average. I suspect his average is going to come back down a bit, but it will be interesting to see what happens to his walk rate when that happens.

The book on Donald was that he was a grinder type player, average across the board in tools, but with decent skills, a howitzer for an arm, and a strong work ethic, but not much of a ceiling in terms of being an everyday major league player. Well, that might still be the case, but he has shown improvement in the key areas you look for in terms of projecting future success, and he is hitting the cover off the ball. He’s 22 now, and he honestly shouldn’t be in Lakewood all season. I’m sure the organization’s plan was to have him and Cardenas together all year, but at some point, Donald is likely to force the Phillies hand. There’s no rush to get him to Philadelphia, as our middle infield is spoken for at this point, but there is a desire to find out just how good he can be, and we won’t really find that out while he’s beating up on weaker competition.

http://phuturephillies.com/2007/05/09/player-profile-jason-donald/

Dartgod
07-29-2008, 11:57 AM
Wow, he's got some pop.

.308 BA, 14 HR, .388 OBP, .897 OPS

OmahaChief
07-29-2008, 11:58 AM
Per ESPN trade blog


A source with knowledge of the Phillies' trading discussions now says they're "not close" to any deal for left-handed reliever Ron Mahay. They plan to continue to explore all their left-handed relief options.



According to clubs that have been speaking with the Royals, they've been having extensive conversations with the Phillies about a trade that would send Mahay to Philadelphia for shortstop prospect Jason Donald, a member of the U.S. Olympic baseball team.

It's believed that as many as 10 teams have contacted the Royals about Mahay, who is signed for next year at $4 million. Most of them have come away with the impression that the Royals aren't motivated to trade him. But in Donald, the Phillies have a commodity for which Kansas City has been searching aggressively. So the fit appears better with the Phillies than with any of the other teams on the Royals' list.

Nzoner
07-29-2008, 11:58 AM
The book on Donald was that he was a grinder type player, average across the board in tools, but with decent skills, a howitzer for an arm, and a strong work ethic, but not much of a ceiling in terms of being an everyday major league player. Well, that might still be the case, but he has shown improvement in the key areas you look for in terms of projecting future success, and he is hitting the cover off the ball. He’s 22 now, and he honestly shouldn’t be in Lakewood all season.

Sounds good to me

Demonpenz
07-29-2008, 12:02 PM
Sounds decent for a bullpen type a guy in mayhay. Royalsreview.com blog wasn't very positive when it came for who we are going to get.

Demonpenz
07-29-2008, 12:03 PM
How fast can we get this guy in the lineup? Mine as well get him cranked up now

bluehawkdoc
07-29-2008, 12:05 PM
Thanks and nice work, Dartgod, KC Fish, OmahaChief. Nothing on the Star or royals website when I checked. Who needs them when we got the Planet. Hope this kid works out.

markk
07-29-2008, 12:05 PM
http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?n=Jason%20Donald&pos=SS&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=453228

Dartgod
07-29-2008, 12:07 PM
http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?n=Jason%20Donald&pos=SS&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=453228
Welcome to 11 minutes ago. :p
I'm Googling him as we speak.

Here's his profile from the Phillies AA team page:

http://www.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?n=Jason%20Donald&pos=SS&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=453228

markk
07-29-2008, 12:11 PM
Are you sure they said this was a done deal?

Because, another website has Jayson Stark quoted an hour ago saying a deal was not close.

Dartgod
07-29-2008, 12:13 PM
Are you sure they said this was a done deal?

Because, another website has Jayson Stark quoted an hour ago saying a deal was not close.
If 810 reported it, it has to be true. :rolleyes:

Cards Fan 4 Chiefs
07-29-2008, 12:14 PM
This is a heist. Donald is one of the top three or five shortstop prospects in baseball. He's headed to Beijing to play for the 2008 Olympic team.

eazyb81
07-29-2008, 12:16 PM
THIS IS NOT A DONE DEAL.

Stark said the Phils aren't even the front runner for Mahay about ten minutes ago on his latest update.

markk
07-29-2008, 12:16 PM
810 spouting crap again?

SithCeNtZ
07-29-2008, 12:22 PM
This is a heist. Donald is one of the top three or five shortstop prospects in baseball. He's headed to Beijing to play for the 2008 Olympic team.

No. He wasn't even on the Phillies top 10 prospect list to begin the season.


In more promising news for guys actually in the organization, Moustakas is hitting over .400 in his last 9 games with a few HR's.

markk
07-29-2008, 12:27 PM
Been listening to 810 for a while now and have heard nothing about this.

where is the person who started the thread?

cookster50
07-29-2008, 12:38 PM
NUTHOOKS!!!!

RockChalk
07-29-2008, 12:51 PM
810 did not report this

Petro and Stark were talking about the deal being a possibility

Dartgod
07-29-2008, 12:55 PM
Yeah, nuthooks!

Ari Chi3fs
07-29-2008, 12:57 PM
****ers...

petegz28
07-29-2008, 01:03 PM
hate to see Mayhay go, hope this kid pans out. Mayhay was serviceable for us for a few years really so hope it wasn't just a Davies type deal.

thurman merman
07-29-2008, 01:18 PM
according to the ESPN deadline blog, at least 10 teams have contacted the royals about mahay. hopefully the deal with the phillies works out, that sounds like it would bode well for the royals in the future.

penguinz
07-29-2008, 01:41 PM
Mayhay was serviceable for us for a few yearsI may be wrong but isn't this his first season with KC?

beavis
07-29-2008, 01:52 PM
I may be wrong but isn't this his first season with KC?

Yes, it is. He is under contract for next year also.

kcchiefsus
07-29-2008, 02:14 PM
hate to see Mayhay go, hope this kid pans out. Mayhay was serviceable for us for a few years really so hope it wasn't just a Davies type deal.

Kind of hard to be serviceable for us for a few years when this is his first year in KC.

Dartgod
07-29-2008, 02:22 PM
I don't know if anyone has mentioned it or not, but Mahay has only been here one season.

Reaper16
07-29-2008, 02:23 PM
Teams are salivating over Mayhay right now. DM is going to get more than a prospect like Donald out of another team. Word is already spreading that once teams saw that the Phils were close to a deal, they began offering KC bigger deals.

Whatever happens, KC is going to get a pretty nice return out of Mayhay.

Nightfyre
07-29-2008, 02:23 PM
I don't know if anyone has mentioned it or not, but Mahay has only been here one season.

And guillen is hurt and should sit out.l

Nightfyre
07-29-2008, 02:24 PM
Teams are salivating over Mayhay right now. DM is going to get more than a prospect like Donald out of another team. Word is already spreading that once teams saw that the Phils were close to a deal, they began offering KC bigger deals.

Whatever happens, KC is going to get a pretty nice return out of Mayhay.

qft!

siberian khatru
07-29-2008, 02:24 PM
I don't know why you'd trade Mahay. He's the last link to our 85 World Series team.

DeezNutz
07-29-2008, 02:25 PM
Mahay has "lead" the league in holds for the past two seasons. What ****ing clown would trade him?

beavis
07-29-2008, 02:42 PM
Mahay has "lead" the league in holds for the past two seasons. What ****ing clown would trade him?

If we can really get this SS out of the Phils, you do it in a heartbeat.

eazyb81
07-29-2008, 02:42 PM
Teams are salivating over Mayhay right now. DM is going to get more than a prospect like Donald out of another team. Word is already spreading that once teams saw that the Phils were close to a deal, they began offering KC bigger deals.

Whatever happens, KC is going to get a pretty nice return out of Mayhay.

I seem to remember the same logic being used last year when Seattle was supposedly offering Wlad Balentien for Dotel, and we ended up with Kyle Davies.

Nightfyre
07-29-2008, 02:44 PM
Mahay has "lead" the league in holds for the past two seasons. What ****ing clown would trade him?
ROFL

OmahaChief
07-29-2008, 03:16 PM
Mahay is the kind of guy we sign every year in hopes we can trade him at the deadline it seems. We did it with Graf, and with Reggie Sanders (before he got hurt teams we calling on him), I figured Grudz was a signing like that but he has stuck, Dotel last year. Seems we always get one or two verterns that will have value to trade in hopes of getting some return to stock the minors.

AustinChief
07-29-2008, 04:00 PM
I would love to see Mahay, Guillen and Grudzielanek all traded for quality prospects. (if anyone will take Guillen...)

KevB
07-29-2008, 04:05 PM
I don't know why you'd trade Mahay. He's the last link to our 85 World Series team.

ROFL

Ari Chi3fs
07-29-2008, 04:10 PM
Id trade Guillen for a case of Milwaukee's Best, right now.

beavis
07-29-2008, 04:20 PM
Id trade Guillen for a case of Milwaukee's Best, right now.

He's not worth a beer of that quality.

thurman merman
07-30-2008, 09:53 AM
any news on this?

sedated
07-30-2008, 09:57 AM
any news on this?

he pitched last night.

Chief Faithful
07-30-2008, 10:00 AM
I would love to see Mahay, Guillen and Grudzielanek all traded for quality prospects. (if anyone will take Guillen...)

I love Grudzielanek, but he is not part of the future so I'm in agreement will all your suggestions. Guillen is not a hind sight mistake it was just a stupid signing from the beginning.

thurman merman
07-30-2008, 10:23 AM
he pitched last night.

i am aware of this. i meant news on a trade.

DeezNutz
07-30-2008, 10:25 AM
Mahay isn't injured, as last night proved, so a trade should still be possible.

Demonpenz
07-30-2008, 10:43 AM
that's good because if mayhay is injured he should sit out

DeezNutz
07-30-2008, 10:49 AM
that's good because if mayhay is injured he should sit out

You know who is injured? Guillen. That dude should sit out.

Nightfyre
07-30-2008, 01:11 PM
You know who is injured? Guillen. That dude should sit out.

I'm pretty sure we should never let this joke die. Ever. I still crack up everytime.

DeezNutz
07-30-2008, 01:15 PM
I'm pretty sure we should never let this joke die. Ever. I still crack up everytime.

As Chiefs fans, I have a hunch that Croyle will give us ample opportunity.

Nightfyre
07-30-2008, 01:16 PM
As Chiefs fans, I have a hunch that Croyle will give us ample opportunity.

I hope not. But he does have a history of playing through injury, so that should really help our effectiveness in suggesting he sit out.

DeezNutz
07-30-2008, 01:18 PM
I hope not. But he does have a history of playing through injury, so that should really help our effectiveness in suggesting he sit out.

He sat out of practice this morning, so he's warming to the idea.

Nightfyre
07-30-2008, 01:26 PM
He sat out of practice this morning, so he's warming to the idea.

Why'd he sit?

DeezNutz
07-30-2008, 01:31 PM
Why'd he sit?

He and LJ sat out. Rest. Nothing more, according to 810. I'm sure Croyle's arm gets sore from throwing a bunch of passes, but apparently he couldn't benefit from additional practice time of any sort; he's reached that "elite" level.

Nightfyre
07-30-2008, 01:32 PM
He and LJ sat out. Rest. Nothing more, according to 810. I'm sure Croyle's arm gets sore from throwing a bunch of passes, but apparently he couldn't benefit from additional practice time of any sort; he's reached that "elite" level.

They're probably custom fitting some form of body armor in preparation ffor tomorrow.

Demonpenz
07-30-2008, 01:32 PM
Do I get credit for starting the joke? Because made sure to post that right after pete was bitching we were talking about guillen so much

DeezNutz
07-30-2008, 01:38 PM
Do I get credit for starting the joke? Because made sure to post that right after pete was bitching we were talking about guillen so much

you clearly had the original muse.

Demonpenz
07-30-2008, 01:40 PM
we can all share in the laughter. I just wanted to point out that it was a joke on my part and not a joke on me. Lord knows saving face for strangers on the internet is the most inportant thing in life

Bill Lundberg
07-30-2008, 02:47 PM
Royals | Mahay wants to stay put
Wed, 30 Jul 2008 13:12:39 -0700 Dick Kaegel, of MLB.com, reports Kansas City Royals (http://www.kffl.com/team/54/mlb) RP Ron Mahay (http://www.kffl.com/player/5055/mlb) said he does not want to be traded before the July 31 trade deadline. "I don't want to go anywhere. I don't know what to tell you," Mahay said. "My name's been floating around, but nothing's been done."

SPATCH
07-30-2008, 02:50 PM
Royals | Mahay wants to stay put
Wed, 30 Jul 2008 13:12:39 -0700 Dick Kaegel, of MLB.com, reports Kansas City Royals (http://www.kffl.com/team/54/mlb) RP Ron Mahay (http://www.kffl.com/player/5055/mlb) said he does not want to be traded before the July 31 trade deadline. "I don't want to go anywhere. I don't know what to tell you," Mahay said. "My name's been floating around, but nothing's been done."

that's.............. awesome

eazyb81
07-30-2008, 02:54 PM
Royals | Mahay wants to stay put
Wed, 30 Jul 2008 13:12:39 -0700 Dick Kaegel, of MLB.com, reports Kansas City Royals (http://www.kffl.com/team/54/mlb) RP Ron Mahay (http://www.kffl.com/player/5055/mlb) said he does not want to be traded before the July 31 trade deadline. "I don't want to go anywhere. I don't know what to tell you," Mahay said. "My name's been floating around, but nothing's been done."

Nobody cares what you want.

thurman merman
07-30-2008, 03:25 PM
Royals | Mahay wants to stay put
Wed, 30 Jul 2008 13:12:39 -0700 Dick Kaegel, of MLB.com, reports Kansas City Royals (http://www.kffl.com/team/54/mlb) RP Ron Mahay (http://www.kffl.com/player/5055/mlb) said he does not want to be traded before the July 31 trade deadline. "I don't want to go anywhere. I don't know what to tell you," Mahay said. "My name's been floating around, but nothing's been done."

nice to hear somebody actually say they want to stay in kansas city. well, i guess jose guillen says that sometimes too, but he's moody.

Sure-Oz
07-30-2008, 03:28 PM
I'd hope they can trade him for value, its great he wants to stay but if we can get that SS from philly or someone worth a damn id be stoked

SPATCH
07-30-2008, 03:31 PM
I'd hope they can trade him for value, its great he wants to stay but if we can get that SS from philly or someone worth a damn id be stoked

id like to have mahay next season... he could be an integral part of a potentially potent bull-pen next season...

even with all the shit thats happened this year... its still feels like we're close to fielding a decent team.

thurman merman
07-30-2008, 03:35 PM
id like to have mahay next season... he could be an integral part of a potentially potent bull-pen next season...

even with all the shit thats happened this year... its still feels like we're close to fielding a decent team.

definitely. especially if that kaaihue guy comes up and produces.

Sure-Oz
07-30-2008, 03:49 PM
id like to have mahay next season... he could be an integral part of a potentially potent bull-pen next season...

even with all the shit thats happened this year... its still feels like we're close to fielding a decent team.

I know, i'd like to keep him if there are no good offers, i dont want him gone for just any player

Fish
07-30-2008, 03:57 PM
Nice of the Phillies to allow Mahay to still pitch for us today.....

thurman merman
07-30-2008, 03:58 PM
so, if mahay is traded, does that mean that gobble is still in the majors? if so, i am not willing to make that sacrifice, unless they are trading him for albert pujols.

BigRock
07-30-2008, 04:14 PM
Can't someone change the thread title?

Mahay NOT dealt to Phillies
Mahay dealt to Phillies -- NOT
Phillies not Mahay dealt

thurman merman
07-30-2008, 05:09 PM
Phillies not Mahay dealt

is that an emmitt smith quote?

Kraus
07-30-2008, 05:38 PM
is that an emmitt smith quote?

Yoda?

RJ
07-31-2008, 06:55 AM
Wow. Now Ron Mahay is not only not traded to the Phillies, he's also not been traded to the Red Sox!! In fact, Ron Mahay has tied a major league record by not being traded to any of the other 29 teams in a single night!


From Rotoworld:

The Royals have reportedly offered Ron Mahay to the Red Sox for outfielder Brandon Moss.
It seems like a fair trade. Moss would likely get a long look in Kansas City's outfield, with Mark Teahen seeing more time at first base, if the deal was completed. However, the Red Sox would have little reason to bring in Mahay if they acquired John Grabow in a Manny Ramirez deal.
Source: Providence Journal
Related: Red Sox

siberian khatru
07-31-2008, 07:13 AM
Brandon Moss = Mark Teahen

Anyong Bluth
07-31-2008, 09:04 AM
Posted via Mobile Device

On a sidenote- Can you imagine how nasty our pen would have been if Dotel came back like he said he wanted to this season!?

acesn8s
07-31-2008, 09:52 AM
Wow. Now Ron Mahay is not only not traded to the Phillies, he's also not been traded to the Red Sox!! In fact, Ron Mahay has tied a major league record by not being traded to any of the other 29 teams in a single night!


From Rotoworld:

The Royals have reportedly offered Ron Mahay to the Red Sox for outfielder Brandon Moss.
It seems like a fair trade. Moss would likely get a long look in Kansas City's outfield, with Mark Teahen seeing more time at first base, if the deal was completed. However, the Red Sox would have little reason to bring in Mahay if they acquired John Grabow in a Manny Ramirez deal.
Source: Providence Journal
Related: Red Sox
Mahay for Manny

RJ
07-31-2008, 11:36 AM
From Rotoworld:


The Phillies failed to meet the Royals' asking price for Ron Mahay, according to FOXSports.com's Ken Rosenthal.
They're after Will Ohman, Jack Taschner and John Grabow at the moment. An executive from one team in touch with the Royals told Rosenthal he does not believe that Mahay will be traded.
Source: FOXSports.com

Chief Faithful
07-31-2008, 12:19 PM
Wow. Now Ron Mahay is not only not traded to the Phillies, he's also not been traded to the Red Sox!! In fact, Ron Mahay has tied a major league record by not being traded to any of the other 29 teams in a single night!




ROFL

The guy has to be feeling loved right now.

beavis
07-31-2008, 02:10 PM
ROFL

The guy has to be feeling loved right now.

Wouldn't he? There are a ton of teams that want him, but yet we value him too much to give him up. Sounds like a pretty nice position to be in.

Sure-Oz
07-31-2008, 02:18 PM
Looks like no moves as of right now as the deadline has passed...

Probabl smart if we didn't get anything we wanted...

If the Phils really did offer that SS we wouldve had the deal done

thurman merman
07-31-2008, 03:32 PM
Posted via Mobile Device

On a sidenote- Can you imagine how nasty our pen would have been if Dotel came back like he said he wanted to this season!?

yeah, i would certainly rather have him than davies. dotel is averaging over 13 strikeouts per nine innings this year.

Coach
07-31-2008, 04:46 PM
Glad the trade didn't happen. I wouldn't want Ohman on this team....

Simply Red
07-31-2008, 06:47 PM
nice spelling, dipshit.