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max sleeper
07-31-2008, 03:16 PM
As I sit and read the posts on this board it strikes me that most of you repeat lines or phrases you hear at work or from a radio show. Most of you just bitch about the other candidate with no real examples of how we can turn this country around... So what are YOU doing to change the country? Are you getting involved in local politics? Do you take the time to talk about the issues with your family and friends? Con. or Lib. we are all in the same boat and this boat rocks way to much. Go Chiefs!!!

BucEyedPea
07-31-2008, 03:51 PM
As I sit and read the posts on this board it strikes me that most of you repeat lines or phrases you hear at work or from a radio show. Most of you just bitch about the other candidate with no real examples of how we can turn this country around... So what are YOU doing to change the country? Are you getting involved in local politics? Do you take the time to talk about the issues with your family and friends? Con. or Lib. we are all in the same boat and this boat rocks way to much. Go Chiefs!!!

I got involved in the Ron Paul campaign, donated money, hung giant banners on my house. I will continue to be involved in his new group that is working to elect like-minded congressmen. We have a better chance at changing this country with Constitutional congressfolks than we do in the executive branch. They could invoke it and hamstring him, as it was intended as a weak office.

That and buying some guns and eyeing Switzerland.

ROYC75
07-31-2008, 03:59 PM
I've been working on rehabilitating democrats for 30 years now ........ :D

BCD
07-31-2008, 04:10 PM
I'll get excited when there is a candidate worth getting excited about. Right now, this country sucks at picking presidential candidates.

bango
07-31-2008, 04:14 PM
Change. Why does everything have to be about change? All of the people that have been trying to change things have messed them up even more. Every politician runs on the change platform. Things just keep on becoming worse. My friend went to the School of Journalism at the University of Minnesota at Minneapolis and he would ask people why they were taking the program? The most popular answer was so that they could change the world. How about some actual reform for once? How about trying to be a better person and starting there to make the world a better place? The only change that anyone seems to really want is for everyone else to change their ways.

HonestChieffan
07-31-2008, 05:32 PM
Id like to know what exactly you feel needs change?

Hog Farmer
07-31-2008, 06:03 PM
I have sent over 100 faxes to different congressmen over the ethanol mandate and how it is destroying the livestock industry. I have personally talked to the staff of Governor Perry of Texas and he used my example in one of his press conferences. I have been a thorn in a few peoples sides!!

kcfanintitanhell
07-31-2008, 06:18 PM
Id like to know what exactly you feel needs change?

Do you honestly, really honestly feel the current state of this country is status quo, and acceptable?
I'd really like your take on that position.

SNR
07-31-2008, 06:23 PM
Do you honestly, really honestly feel the current state of this country is status quo, and acceptable?
I'd really like your take on that position.No. And I find the "change" proposed by the two candidates at each party to be even worse. Why should I work towards that goal?

Oh, and like BEP, I donated my time and money to the Ron Paul campaign from August 2007 - February 2008. I worked towards the change I wanted to see in America and it didn't happen. Personally, I feel I deserve the right to sit back and take verbal potshots at both sides, not to mention a few people on this forum. Will that solve anything? No, but it will make me feel better

kcfanintitanhell
07-31-2008, 06:33 PM
No. And I find the "change" proposed by the two candidates at each party to be even worse. Why should I work towards that goal?

Oh, and like BEP, I donated my time and money to the Ron Paul campaign from August 2007 - February 2008. I worked towards the change I wanted to see in America and it didn't happen. Personally, I feel I deserve the right to sit back and take verbal potshots at both sides, not to mention a few people on this forum. Will that solve anything? No, but it will make me feel better

I agree-I'm not a big fan of either. But I think we need to break down the party polarization just a little bit, find a tolerance level, and see where that takes us.
Smacks of romanticism, but it's all I got.

Mr. Flopnuts
07-31-2008, 06:43 PM
I'll get excited when there is a candidate worth getting excited about. Right now, this country sucks at picking presidential candidates.

For who? We as Americans don't really pick the candidates. Politicians and corporate America do, no? They also decide who we're going to vote for. At least, most of us.

SNR
07-31-2008, 07:00 PM
I agree-I'm not a big fan of either. But I think we need to break down the party polarization just a little bit, find a tolerance level, and see where that takes us.
Smacks of romanticism, but it's all I got.I don't know about tolerance level, necessarily. I do know that it'd be FAR easier to find an INTOLERANCE level- a way for both parties (or at least a high percentage of voters) to express dissatisfaction and oppose all decisions from the party in power, instead of just one party disagreeing and the other supporting.

No, that doesn't mean anything.

max sleeper
07-31-2008, 07:12 PM
I really do like how Ron Paul was able to get a movement going. I watched him in the debates and he made alot of since. To bad the head cons. in the rep. party crapped all over him. He really is a true conservative and one with a good vision. The cons. talk constitution all day long... but never follow it, and Ron Paul made them look like fools. Old school Bush/McCain is the best they can do. And those 2 are 1 in the same.
Go Chiefs!

penchief
07-31-2008, 07:19 PM
Id like to know what exactly you feel needs change?

We need to restore our government back to the people by wresting it away from the business crooks and war profiteers who have stolen it.

We need to get corporate money and influence completely out of our government.

We need the government to represent the will of the poeple instead of Wall Street and the corporatocracy.

We need to reverse the media consolidation that has contributed to a few corporations monopolizing and manipulating the mainstream media.

We need to have election outcomes that we can trust again.

We need to put a halt to the nonsense that we don't need a verifiable paper trail for electronic voting.

We need to reinvest in our infrastructure instead of funneling taxpayer money to corporations via bogus wars designed to enrich the few and starve the government.

We need to start honoring the work ethic of the American people over the free-money ethic of the Wall Street elite.

We need to re-establish public welfare over corporate welfare.

We need pragmatic leadership instead of extreme ideologies.

We need to promote progress and ingenuity instead of rewarding resistance to change and hoarding.

We need to reach out to the world in true leadership fashion instead of belittling and insulting the rest of the world when they don't agree with us.

We need to start treating each other with respect and stop creating wedge issues designed to divide and conquer the American people for the benefit of corpo-fascism.



Well, that's just shooting from the hip but I'll stop because I could go on forever. Anyone of those would be change for the better.

Friendo
07-31-2008, 07:39 PM
I serve on a couple of PTA committees at my son's Middle School, one of which is Landscape. We have tried to provide an opportunity for these kids to get involved with their own club, and take some ownership in the School, and possibly provide a career path for some. It is an IB school, but is also the main school in this County for the A/A community, and as such, is handicapped in some ways compared to some of the other more Caucasian schools in the County.
I also coach upper level soccer, and have pulled in 3 "scholarship players" (2 Black-1 Hispanic) in a largely "white-bread/gated community" League.

not much, but it is a way to combine my passions, and attempt to mentor at the same time.

max sleeper
07-31-2008, 07:41 PM
We need to restore our government back to the people by wresting it away from the business crooks and war profiteers who have stolen it.

We need to get corporate money and influence completely out of our government.

We need the government to represent the will of the poeple instead of Wall Street and the corporatocracy.

We need to reverse the media consolidation that has contributed to a few corporations monopolizing and manipulating the mainstream media.

We need to have election outcomes that we can trust again.

We need to put a halt to the nonsense that we don't need a verifiable paper trail for electronic voting.

We need to reinvest in our infrastructure instead of funneling taxpayer money to corporations via bogus wars designed to enrich the few and starve the government.

We need to start honoring the work ethic of the American people over the free-money ethic of the Wall Street elite.

We need to re-establish public welfare over corporate welfare.

We need pragmatic leadership instead of extreme ideologies.

We need to promote progress and ingenuity instead of rewarding resistance to change and hoarding.

We need to reach out to the world in true leadership fashion instead of belittling and insulting the rest of the world when they don't agree with us.

We need to start treating each other with respect and stop creating wedge issues designed to divide and conquer the American people for the benefit of corpo-fascism.



Well, that's just shooting from the hip but I'll stop because I could go on forever. Anyone of those would be change for the better.

:clap: And all that will start when W is bye bye. Go Chiefs!

penchief
07-31-2008, 07:56 PM
Oh, and I forgot one of the biggest ones.

We need to restore transparency and accountability to the people's government (to quote Mick Jagger, lately it's been "all secrecy and no privacy").

ClevelandBronco
07-31-2008, 08:20 PM
What am I doing to help change America?

Taking names.

Iowanian
07-31-2008, 08:23 PM
At least my share locally.

Mizzou_8541
07-31-2008, 08:25 PM
As I sit and read the posts on this board it strikes me that most of you repeat lines or phrases you hear at work or from a radio show. Most of you just bitch about the other candidate with no real examples of how we can turn this country around... So what are YOU doing to change the country? Are you getting involved in local politics? Do you take the time to talk about the issues with your family and friends? Con. or Lib. we are all in the same boat and this boat rocks way to much. Go Chiefs!!!

Wait, I change my answer to penchief's answer. But, since the question was what I was doing? I served in the USMC for 8 years and wounded twice. I am using the educational benefit money from the Marine Corps to obtain a higher education degree and add to our educated workforce and therefore add to the tax base. I recycle, invest wisely, and do not use credit cards (that's helping the country, right?). I car pool to work and walk to class. I donated to the Mitt Romney campaign, but that didn't turn out well. I vote. I am outspoken in class when talking about the future of our country. I also work as a community economic developer (not organizer) to help smaller communities obtain infrastructure and other ED needs. I love our country!

max sleeper
07-31-2008, 08:31 PM
Wait, I change my answer to penchief's answer.

Ok then... what are YOU doing to keep it the same? Go Chiefs!

Mizzou_8541
07-31-2008, 08:35 PM
Ok then... what are YOU doing to keep it the same? Go Chiefs!

See post #20 edit

Friendo
07-31-2008, 08:39 PM
See post #20 edit

you raise a good point about personal credit & debt

Mizzou_8541
07-31-2008, 08:41 PM
you raise a good point about personal credit & debt

Not a financial guru by any means, just know its bad;)

Friendo
07-31-2008, 08:43 PM
Not a financial guru by any means, just know its bad;)

individually & collectively :thumb:

SBK
07-31-2008, 08:45 PM
I'm hoping.

SBK
07-31-2008, 08:46 PM
Personally what needs to change is we need to get back to our roots. We don't need new change, we need old change.

SNR
07-31-2008, 09:36 PM
See post #20 editI just noticed a small snafu in that Obama quote. He says the United States is "The greatest nation in the history of the world" and then wants to change it.

It's no Czechoslovakia, but better words probably could have been used.

Mizzou_8541
07-31-2008, 09:38 PM
I just noticed a small snafu in that Obama quote. He says the United States is "The greatest nation in the history of the world" and then wants to change it.

It's no Czechoslovakia, but better words probably could have been used.

Ah. OK thanks, well, I certainly don't like the guy, but really don't want to misquote him. I will change it...

irishjayhawk
07-31-2008, 10:17 PM
Personally what needs to change is we need to get back to our roots. We don't need new change, we need old change.

Depending on what you view our "roots" as, this might be the first time SBK and I agree on something. :eek:

Guru
07-31-2008, 10:33 PM
I drive less. I use CFLs for all my lights. Its not enough but it is something.

Baby steps.

BucEyedPea
08-01-2008, 06:58 AM
Id like to know what exactly you feel needs change?

For starters—our agri-socialism policies.

You game, republican? :D

Otter
08-01-2008, 07:08 AM
Pricing land in other countries so I can be out of here before it's truly little mexico being 100% run by corporations from the middle east and china.

mlyonsd
08-01-2008, 07:10 AM
What am I doing to help change America?

Taking names.

ROFL

penchief
08-01-2008, 07:52 AM
Wait, I change my answer to penchief's answer.

My answer was not to the thread starter but to Honestchieffan's question. Which was, "what needs changed?" There is a difference.

Kudos to you for all you do, though.

StcChief
08-01-2008, 08:05 AM
Personally what needs to change is we need to get back to our roots. We don't need new change, we need old change.
and NOT Hope / Change.

For my part. Recycling anything I can, conserving, plant trees. Voluteneer.

Buy from local business, (not Corp America chains).

oh... and I take names too.

KC Jones
08-01-2008, 08:14 AM
What am I doing to help change America?

(Oil Dependence and Energy policy)
- Currently carpooling and I plan to buy a much more fuel efficient commuter car after my wife's car is paid off. We don't have AC - and I've started shutting down and unplugging electrical appliances when not in use.

(Socially)
- Probably my biggest contribution on this front is that I require my children to be well behaved respectful members of their communities and this family. I have very high expectations for them when it comes to honesty, integrity, and behavior in general and so far they are living up to those quite well (although I sometimes wonder if I am handicapping them for living in a society that rewards dishonesty and greed and whose leaders tend to be sociopaths). I also try my best not to pass up opportunities to help others (help with spare tire, hold a door, donate time at a soup kitchen - not giving handouts to professional pan handlers)

(Economics)
- Not sure what I can really do here. I try to provide my employer with a massive ROI and I train/mentor/assist colleagues as much as possible. Other than a mortgage and small car loan we aren't carrying debt, and in general we aren't a drain of any sort on services.

(Politically)
- I vote for whoever I believe to be the least damaging candidate. I have a pragmatic view towards governance and the balancing act between the private and public sectors. My vote is not dictated by radical alignment with some childish belief in a puritanical ideology.

(Spiritually)
- Probably far too little on this front. I pray very rarely. I do have a live and let live attitude towards religious views. It matters far more to me whether someone is honest and considerate than what they think happens after we die and how they approach any supernatural concepts.

banyon
08-01-2008, 09:40 AM
Personally what needs to change is we need to get back to our roots. We don't need new change, we need old change.

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BucEyedPea
08-01-2008, 09:59 AM
McCain does not represent a return to our roots in Americanism, a philosophy of individualism and small central govt.

StcChief
08-01-2008, 10:18 AM
McCain does not represent a return to our roots in Americanism, a philosophy of individualism and small central govt.
barring an overthow all out reduex of gov't....

he's still better than Bark Obama.

BucEyedPea
08-01-2008, 10:21 AM
barring an overthow all out reduex of gov't....

he's still better than Bark Obama.

No he isn't. It's a toss-up. That is to a true patriot.

***SPRAYER
08-01-2008, 11:12 AM
I check the air in my tires.

Calcountry
08-01-2008, 11:22 AM
As I sit and read the posts on this board it strikes me that most of you repeat lines or phrases you hear at work or from a radio show. Most of you just bitch about the other candidate with no real examples of how we can turn this country around... So what are YOU doing to change the country? Are you getting involved in local politics? Do you take the time to talk about the issues with your family and friends? Con. or Lib. we are all in the same boat and this boat rocks way to much. Go Chiefs!!!I get up in the pulpit of my local church and say, "NO NO NO, NOT GOD BLESS AMERICA, GOD ***** AMERICA!"

That's the kind of change I want, an angry God putting his hand against anything we do.

Calcountry
08-01-2008, 11:23 AM
I'll get excited when there is a candidate worth getting excited about. Right now, this country sucks.FYP

Calcountry
08-01-2008, 11:30 AM
I check the air in my tires.I got a tune up, so that we can sit down and talk to those, TINY countries.

Ari Chi3fs
08-01-2008, 11:34 AM
I watched Team America : World Police

and say, "America! **** Yeah!" a lot.

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America...
America...
America, **** YEAH!
Coming again, to save the mother ****ing day yeah,
America, **** YEAH!
Freedom is the only way yeah,
Terrorist your game is through cause now you have to answer too,
America, **** YEAH!
So lick my butt, and suck on my balls,
America, **** YEAH!
What you going to do when we come for you now,
it’s the dream that we all share; it’s the hope for tomorrow

**** YEAH!

patteeu
08-01-2008, 12:59 PM
I'm hoping.

In between adjusting the air pressure in my tires, I spend as much time as possible on ChiefsPlanet undermining Obama with the sole goal of getting Mr. Kotter to fall off the fence on the McCain side by November. That will be like doubling my vote!

RJ
08-01-2008, 01:16 PM
We donate money and food to our local food bank about once a month, also donate money to a couple of political campaigns. I would like to donate more of my time than I do but it seems like time is the hardest thing to come by. The older I get the less I seem to have.

We recycle, use those funny shaped light bulbs and conserve water use.

We buy local whenever we can.....that's one that i think gets overlooked all too often. There are so many local businesses that can offer you better products and services at comparable or sometimes lower prices than the national chains if you just take the time to check them out. And they actually appreciate you spending your money with them! Imagine that, buying from someone who gives a damn? Amazing, but true.

We vote in every election and stay involved/aware of what's going on in our community.

I've gone years without being arrested for anything.

This is a good thread. It's nice to know that so many Planeteers are making a difference at the grassroots level. I applaud you all.

SBK
08-01-2008, 02:18 PM
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First, I don't support McCain, and second, 1908 isn't far enough back.

angelo
08-01-2008, 03:14 PM
I am currently in the process of over throwing a small African country and setting up a puppet dictatorship.

If all goes smoothly I plan to branch out into South America come late spring early summer 2009 barring any set backs and if I can get that whole rolling of the r's thing down.

Then in 2010 I should have enough money from my two countries to slowly take over something in the far east. I have always liked monkey's.

2011 back to the states. If McCain is in Power everyone will be asleep and I can just walk in pump your daughter, eat some pie, steal the country and kick the cat on the way out.
If Obama is in charge every one will be still running around freaking out that there is a black guy in the white house. I will just slide in put the country in drive and pull away from the curb.

That is what I am doing.

oh and I recycle

Ang

bigfoot
08-01-2008, 05:14 PM
I want to change the bad-preserve the good aspects.

Bring moral people into government-politicians concerned about the welfare of this nation over lining his wallet or basting in his power and glory. That's why I'm disappointed by the NObama/McLame choice.

I try to educate myself, Send $$ to causes and groups I support, Trying to raise the kinds to understand what our founding fathers had envisioned for us. Find out what me kids are being taught in school, and if it's screwy shoot it down.

I'll probably start throwing my efforts behind McCain because he will be far less damaging to the country.

penchief
08-01-2008, 05:27 PM
I'll probably start throwing my efforts behind McCain because he will be far less damaging to the country.

I don't know how you can say that after the last eight years. Especially knowing that McCain is vowing to continue down that path. And especially after watching how he has ran his campaign. I'd think that the gutter politics he's been practicing would be a red flag for someone worried about a politician willing to do anything to get elected.

bigfoot
08-01-2008, 05:51 PM
I don't know how you can say that after the last eight years. Especially knowing that McCain is vowing to continue down that path. And especially after watching how he has ran his campaign. I'd think that the gutter politics he's been practicing would be a red flag for someone worried about a politician willing to do anything to get elected.

McCain's a fuzzball. He's less radical. What gutter politics? He kicked Phil Gramm off the staff didn't he.

oh I guess the time he said F*** you to Senator Cornyn on the senate floor slipped my mind. :)

max sleeper
08-01-2008, 08:40 PM
What am I doing to help change America?

(Oil Dependence and Energy policy)
- Currently carpooling and I plan to buy a much more fuel efficient commuter car after my wife's car is paid off. We don't have AC - and I've started shutting down and unplugging electrical appliances when not in use.

(Socially)
- Probably my biggest contribution on this front is that I require my children to be well behaved respectful members of their communities and this family. I have very high expectations for them when it comes to honesty, integrity, and behavior in general and so far they are living up to those quite well (although I sometimes wonder if I am handicapping them for living in a society that rewards dishonesty and greed and whose leaders tend to be sociopaths). I also try my best not to pass up opportunities to help others (help with spare tire, hold a door, donate time at a soup kitchen - not giving handouts to professional pan handlers)

(Economics)
- Not sure what I can really do here. I try to provide my employer with a massive ROI and I train/mentor/assist colleagues as much as possible. Other than a mortgage and small car loan we aren't carrying debt, and in general we aren't a drain of any sort on services.

(Politically)
- I vote for whoever I believe to be the least damaging candidate. I have a pragmatic view towards governance and the balancing act between the private and public sectors. My vote is not dictated by radical alignment with some childish belief in a puritanical ideology.

(Spiritually)
- Probably far too little on this front. I pray very rarely. I do have a live and let live attitude towards religious views. It matters far more to me whether someone is honest and considerate than what they think happens after we die and how they approach any supernatural concepts.

:clap: now if more people had your attitude this country would not have a need 4 change. Go Chiefs!

Mizzou_8541
08-01-2008, 08:56 PM
My answer was not to the thread starter but to Honestchieffan's question. Which was, "what needs changed?" There is a difference.

Kudos to you for all you do, though.

Wait...., but, I liked what you said.

penchief
08-01-2008, 09:07 PM
Wait...., but, I liked what you said.

That's cool.