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Mr. Flopnuts
08-01-2008, 08:12 AM
Ahh yes. This feels good. Happy Friday bitches.

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Three teams could make run at 0-16by Peter Schrager
Peter Schrager is a frequent contributor for FOXSports.com. You can e-mail him at PeterSchrager@gmail.com



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Create A League Today!That overtime pass-and-catch in Week 15 ensured that the 2007 Dolphins -- as woeful a team as the NFL has seen in over a decade -- would not join the 1976 Buccaneers as the only winless/tieless team in modern NFL history.

From the get-go, the Dolphins season was doomed. It started with head coach Cam Cameron getting unceremoniously booed at the team-hosted/fan-attended draft party, then saw their starting quarterback knocked out for the year with concussions, their starting running back sidelined with a season-ending knee injury, and their top wideout traded away mid-season for next to nothing.

Along the way, their big off-season acquisition on defense was spotted "jumping" another player on a Vegas casino surveillance camera, three players were arrested, and various reserves were flat-out released. Adding insult to injury, Wes Welker, a do-everything glue guy and fan favorite traded in the offseason for a pair of non-first-round picks, went on to tie for the league lead in receptions for the AFC East-rival Patriots.

The Dolphins were a miraculous 64-yard touchdown pass from a non-drafted quarterback to a non-drafted receiver away from becoming an eyesore in NFL history. They barely escaped eternal infamy.


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So, are there any teams that may go winless this season?

Well, it's not likely. But if I had to put my money on three possibilities, here are the leading contenders:


Rebuilding: Kansas City Chiefs
Though Carl Peterson's Chiefs have won seven or more games in four of the last five seasons and have been to the playoffs twice since 2003, the truth was inevitable after last year's disastrous 4-12 campaign: It was time to rebuild.

Fortunately for Chiefs fans, K.C. started the process off with a bang in April, downright cleaning up at the draft, earning rare unanimous rave reviews from the pundits for their haul of 12 legitimate NFL prospects. With top pick Glenn Dorsey agreeing to a deal on Saturday, every one of the Chiefs' 2008 selections has signed a contract. Both Dorsey and 15th overall selection Branden Albert could be starting right away, and second-round pick Brandon Flowers and fourth-round selection Will Franklin might as well.

Long term, a widely praised draft class in which multiple picks will start right away is obviously fantastic news. Short term, having to rely on various rookies at key spots on the field is seldom a good thing even if the 2007 Giants did exactly that en route to a Super Bowl victory.

Rest assured, though, the 2008 Chiefs are not the 2007 Giants. There's no Strahan or Pierce on this squad.

Kansas City's roster reeks of youth and inexperience; you can practically smell the diapers. Though veterans Tony Gonzalez and Donnie Edwards will still demand locker room poise and professionalism, and Larry Johnson is a former Pro Bowl running back -- the offensive and defensive lines are simply too untested to give Kansas City much of a shot at anything this season. And then there's that defensive backfield. Oh boy. Coach Herm Edwards, a former defensive back, himself, may not sleep with the cornerback foursome of Flowers-Surtain-Breckenridge-Patterson trying to shut down AFC passing games.

The Chiefs have a long history of winning football. Last year was undoubtedly a low point. Though I may be wrong, I think Chiefs fans are in for an ever lower one in '08.

Schrager Projection: 4-12.


The Clean Slate: Atlanta Falcons
Few have ever suffered a worse 18 months than what the Falcons fans endured recently. After what was a well-regarded draft and the signing of a top-notch, "offensive mastermind" coach from the college ranks, several pundits tabbed the Falcons as the AFC South favorites in the spring of '07.

Then came the downward spiral.

Michael Vick and the dog fighting, the unpopular waiving of Grady Jackson, the DeAngelo Hall meltdown in the Carolina game, the Leftwich signing, the quarterback musical chairs, and finally -- the cherry on the manure sundae -- the infamous late night Bobby Petrino introductory press conference in Fayetteville, Ark.

Sure enough, the 2008 Falcons are green from top to bottom. There's a first-year general manager, a first-year head coach, and, in Matt Ryan, an eventual first-year starting quarterback. Most of the key veterans that anchored the 2006 and 2007 Falcon squads are no longer with the team. Warrick Dunn? Gone. Former Pro-Bowler Alge Crumpler? Gone. Former Pro Bowler Rod Coleman? Gone. Wayne Gandy? Him, too. Leftwich? Yep. Marcus Wilkins, Lewis Sanders, and Jamin Elliot were all given their walking papers, too. Hall, the flamboyant corner, was shown the door as well, sent to Oakland in an off-season deal.

What's left? Well, longtime Falcon Keith Brooking, up-and-coming receiver Roddy White, free-agent pickup Michael Turner, and a whole bunch of young faces. Ryan should be starting by mid-season, and fellow first-year guys Sam Baker and Curtis Lofton may very well be starting even sooner.

Gone is the stigma of a team in ruins. That funeral parlor odor that the Falcons had toward the end of last season is a thing of the past. Insert the scent of a baby's nursery, instead.

Yes, there's hope, excitement, and pride in Flowery Branch this summer. No one's doubting that.

Atlanta may just need to survive its very worst season yet to enjoy the good times on the horizon.

Schrager Projection: 2-14.


Here We Go Again: Miami Dolphins
Breathe easy, Dolphins fans. History's kinda/sorta on your side. The last three teams to finish with 1-15 records all bounced back by winning at least five games the following year. In the case of the '97 Jets, New York rebounded from a 1-15 campaign to win nine games and finish in second place in the AFC East. The '02 Carolina Panthers won seven games after a disastrous season and were playing in the Super Bowl by '03. San Diego followed its forgettable 2000 season (The Moses Moreno Era, folks) with five wins in '01 and the Chargers were a .500 ball club in '02.

That said, the 2008 Miami Dolphins are in no way a shoo-in for five wins; they'll be fortunate to pull off such a feat. Aside from a bare-bones roster that's got more questions than an SAT, there's a new front office, new coaching staff and new offensive and defensive systems to install and master.

For the first time in 11 years, neither Jason Taylor nor Zach Thomas will be a part of the Dolphins squad. The AP noted this week that more than 30 new players are in Dolphins camp this summer. How faceless is this squad? Billboards around South Florida boast the slogan "A New Beginning" and feature the faces of the team's coach, GM and VP of football operations. Yep, three middle-aged white men. Your 2008 Dolphins, folks!

The team's most recognizable player -- running back Ronnie Brown -- is coming off a season-ending knee injury. Who knows what he'll be behind a relatively unproven offensive line and a mixed bag of quarterbacks? Other notable players -- Jake Long and Ted Ginn Jr. -- are likely still too young to be elite players this season.

It should be another long year for Dolphins fans. Once they get to know all the new faces, they'll have to deal with the losses. Again.

Of course, there is a bright side. Greg Camarillo's still on the roster.

Schrager Projection: 2-14.

SBK
08-01-2008, 08:24 AM
Well, we play both those teams so.......

Print em!!

Buck
08-01-2008, 09:09 AM
Updated: July 31, 2008, 3:18 PM EST 200 comments add this RSS blog email print Say what you want about David Tyree's heroic fourth-quarter Super Bowl helmet grab, Antonio Cromartie's 108-yard interception return for a touchdown, or any of Adrian Peterson's spell-binding touchdown runs, but no single play from the 2007 season was more exciting than Cleo Lemon's 64-yard, game-winning touchdown pass to Greg Camarillo.



First of all it was a Returned Field Goal, Secondly, it was 109 Yards

rambleonthruthefog
08-01-2008, 09:29 AM
this is the crap i wake up to on msn. i'm so tired of this crap. it is so fancy to say KC is gonna blow beyond belief. F em all. i can't take it. i wish the season would start so we can get to provin to everyone that were a good football team getting better.

KCrockaholic
08-01-2008, 10:40 AM
First of all it was a Returned Field Goal, Secondly, it was 109 Yards

haha, well im sure you would know...but your correct, it was 109. his foot landed just inches from being out of the endzone, that whole game was awesome...considering the record AP set that night as well.

CosmicPal
08-01-2008, 10:45 AM
this is the crap i wake up to on msn. i'm so tired of this crap. it is so fancy to say KC is gonna blow beyond belief. F em all. i can't take it. i wish the season would start so we can get to provin to everyone that were a good football team getting better.

They all say that because it's so easy to peg a team as losers 'cause the fact of the matter is- experience does win you more games in the NFL.

Every year, there's some team that is rebuilding and they all conclude that team will be struggling. It's the easiest thing to say and quite often, they are right.

However, what I do like hearing is how a lot of them agree that we had a stellar draft and that this team could very well be something special in a couple of years.

MVChiefFan
08-01-2008, 10:49 AM
I am as confident that we will NOT go 0-16 as I am that we will make the playoffs. Neither will happen.

beavis
08-01-2008, 11:06 AM
I think another sucky season would be the best thing for this team. We need another solid draft next year to get where we want to go.

rambleonthruthefog
08-01-2008, 11:11 AM
I think another sucky season would be the best thing for this team. We need another solid draft next year to get where we want to go.

oh bite me. we need/want wins this season. continue building through draft. you still get to draft next season. even if you win games this season.

Ari Chi3fs
08-01-2008, 11:12 AM
this is the crap i wake up to on msn. i'm so tired of this crap. it is so fancy to say KC is gonna blow beyond belief. F em all. i can't take it. i wish the season would start so we can get to provin to everyone that were a good football team getting better.

HEY EVERYONE... we have a fancy pants NOOB!

HC_Chief
08-01-2008, 11:12 AM
4-12 is better than what I predict.

rambleonthruthefog
08-01-2008, 11:33 AM
HEY EVERYONE... we have a fancy pants NOOB!


its only been bout 2 mnths, but i try to call out these f*gg*t azz posts bout my beloved chiefs as much as possible.

we don't need a crappy losing season. period.

BigVE
08-01-2008, 12:28 PM
its only been bout 2 mnths, but i try to call out these f*gg*t azz posts bout my beloved chiefs as much as possible.

we don't need a crappy losing season. period.

So do you honestly think that the Chiefs fans on this board who live and die by the Chiefs (so to speak) and have been here through thick and thin are LESS loyal or LESSER fans because they dont wear the homer-glasses that YOU do? Wishing your team is better isn't worth much. Hoping your team is better than it really is isn't worth much either. We will have a top 10 draft pick next year, suck on that. That doesn't mean THIS team wont be improving during the process but that's what it is, a process, and a future high draft position is a part of the process this team still needs in order to be legit. Period. I will cuss 'em and cheer 'em all the way.

Sure-Oz
08-01-2008, 12:30 PM
we'll start 4-1 and proceed to lose the rest

rambleonthruthefog
08-01-2008, 12:41 PM
So do you honestly think that the Chiefs fans on this board who live and die by the Chiefs (so to speak) and have been here through thick and thin are LESS loyal or LESSER fans because they dont wear the homer-glasses that YOU do? Wishing your team is better isn't worth much. Hoping your team is better than it really is isn't worth much either. We will have a top 10 draft pick next year, suck on that. That doesn't mean THIS team wont be improving during the process but that's what it is, a process, and a future high draft position is a part of the process this team still needs in order to be legit. Period. I will cuss 'em and cheer 'em all the way.

who said anything bout any of that. all i said is posts saying, we suck, i hope we lose so we get a top 5 or 10 pick. this team needs to lose this year, there is no way we win more than 4 games, etc. etc. are for f*gg*ts/losers/chumps, etc. etc. if you are one of these people, so be it. I am not. i will call em' like i see em' though.

rambleonthruthefog
08-01-2008, 12:45 PM
also, anyone who thinks a top 10 pick next year is the answer to our problems is a f*cking moron. we've done fine with the 13th, 22nd, 27th and even higher picks.

BigVE
08-01-2008, 12:48 PM
who said anything bout any of that. all i said is posts saying, we suck, i hope we lose so we get a top 5 or 10 pick. this team needs to lose this year, there is no way we win more than 4 games, etc. etc. are for f*gg*ts/losers/chumps, etc. etc. if you are one of these people, so be it. I am not. i will call em' like i see em' though.


HOPING we lose is one thing but realistically feeling that there is no way we will win more than 4 or 5 games is totally different. What, you think we are going to go 19-0 or something?

BigVE
08-01-2008, 12:49 PM
also, anyone who thinks a top 10 pick next year is the answer to our problems is a f*cking moron. we've done fine with the 13th, 22nd, 27th and even higher picks.


Ah, yes, ALL THOSE playoffs wins over the last umteen years...yeah, your a bright one, thats GREAT success.

blueballs
08-01-2008, 12:54 PM
its only been bout 2 mnths, but i try to call out these f*gg*t azz posts bout my beloved chiefs as much as possible.

we don't need a crappy losing season. period.

n00bs say the darndest things
he's cherry boys

bowener
08-01-2008, 01:02 PM
who said anything bout any of that. all i said is posts saying, we suck, i hope we lose so we get a top 5 or 10 pick. this team needs to lose this year, there is no way we win more than 4 games, etc. etc. are for f*gg*ts/losers/chumps, etc. etc. if you are one of these people, so be it. I am not. i will call em' like i see em' though.

I'm needing clarification on one point here.... how does one become a homosexual by dissing the Chiefs? Need I assume the Chiefs, as an entity, are male, and I am rolling them up and shoving them up my ass if I say that the Chiefs, in comparison with the rest of the league, are dogshit as far as wins are concerned. I do not hope we are going to lose, I, like most others on this board, know that the Chiefs are going to lose 11, 12, or even 13 games. Sadly, it is not a stretch to say we lose 14 games either.

On the other hand, I can take my lumps as a Chiefs fan and know that the team can use the experience as well as the high draft picks that come with blowing horse cock all year. Yet another benefit may be that all these young players really get tired of losing all the time and get a bad taste for it and start knocking the shit out of people for years to come so that they can avoid it at all costs.

rambleonthruthefog
08-01-2008, 01:04 PM
i'm just sayin, i hear some terrible stuff from supposed chiefs fans. reads like a cardinals fan board sometimes.

el borracho
08-01-2008, 01:06 PM
I'm needing clarification on one point here.... how does one become a homosexual by dissing the Chiefs?

Just ramble on like a f*g and you'll be half-way there.

el borracho
08-01-2008, 01:07 PM
Just teasing, dude, you be as hopelessly, unrealistically, relentlessly optimistic as you like.

CHIEF4EVER
08-02-2008, 12:53 AM
I would be shocked if we won more than 4 games this season. Does this mean I WANT us to lose 12? Noooooooooo......

Ramble, is this too negative for ya?

chiefs1111
08-02-2008, 02:02 AM
I have a question. Lets say that we did go 0-16 for the season... how would you feel about the team after that.....

JuicesFlowing
08-02-2008, 05:37 AM
I think another sucky season would be the best thing for this team. We need another solid draft next year to get where we want to go.

The idea of losing to get better draft picks is pretty stupid. And every year towards the end of the season, like clockwork, I hear fans root for the Chiefs to lose "to get better draft picks." Absolutely lame.

kstater
08-02-2008, 06:02 AM
who said anything bout any of that. all i said is posts saying, we suck.

I got some bad news for you.

dj56dt58
08-02-2008, 08:33 AM
Kansas City's roster reeks of youth and inexperience; you can practically smell the diapers.


Oh shit..that's not gonna make LJ very happy...

TEX
08-02-2008, 09:57 AM
I'm predicting 3-13. Last year my prediction was 5-11. :hmmm:

In any case - It's gonna be brutal - especially when you add Herm's in-game coaching decisions to the mix.

blueballs
08-02-2008, 10:01 AM
The idea of losing to get better draft picks is pretty stupid. And every year towards the end of the season, like clockwork, I hear fans root for the Chiefs to lose "to get better draft picks." Absolutely lame.

so you don't care for Dorsey then

BigVE
08-02-2008, 11:43 AM
The idea of losing to get better draft picks is pretty stupid. And every year towards the end of the season, like clockwork, I hear fans root for the Chiefs to lose "to get better draft picks." Absolutely lame.


We had a stellar draft this past year, people are loving the guys we drafted and have high hopes for the future because of them and guess what...if we WIN one or two more game last year our draft is utterly and completely different and more than likely NOT better. There is a point in every season when your losses heavily outweigh your wins and it does you NO GOOD to win anymore games except to drop your draft position. Call it what you want but after we had 9 losses last year the 07/08 season was done and it was time to look to the future (08/09 season) and THAT means drafting the best talent possible and the best way to do that is HIGHER draft positioning. It's all in how you choose to look at it.

JuicesFlowing
08-02-2008, 12:39 PM
so you don't care for Dorsey then

I'm elated that we drafted Dorsey. I'm just not in the camp that roots for losing toward the last half of the season. Draft position in the first round is one thing, but what about the other rounds? Can you explain to me the difference between the 56th pick, and the 57th? How many 4-12 seasons do people really want to see?

blueballs
08-02-2008, 01:46 PM
I'm elated that we drafted Dorsey. I'm just not in the camp that roots for losing toward the last half of the season. Draft position in the first round is one thing, but what about the other rounds? Can you explain to me the difference between the 56th pick, and the 57th? How many 4-12 seasons do people really want to see?

do you eat the cake
wait 5 hours and shit in a bundt pan

Mecca
08-02-2008, 02:15 PM
I'm elated that we drafted Dorsey. I'm just not in the camp that roots for losing toward the last half of the season. Draft position in the first round is one thing, but what about the other rounds? Can you explain to me the difference between the 56th pick, and the 57th? How many 4-12 seasons do people really want to see?

Would you like to not have Dorsey?

I'm sorry I'd rather have a higher pick than winning a game that means nothing when the teams 4-10.

The true fans are back to crap on realism, the team is in the first year of rebuilding they are not going to be good, it's plain as day.

Anyone who thinks there's no difference in picking 14th or 15th and picking 4th or 5th is out of their mind.

BigVE
08-02-2008, 02:21 PM
Would you like to not have Dorsey?

I'm sorry I'd rather have a higher pick than winning a game that means nothing when the teams 4-10.

The true fans are back to crap on realism, the team is in the first year of rebuilding they are not going to be good, it's plain as day.

Anyone who thinks there's no difference in picking 14th or 15th and picking 4th or 5th is out of their mind.



Agreed very much. Thank you.

Bowser
08-02-2008, 02:21 PM
It's going to be a long year. Good thing we have a soft schedule to eek out 4 MAYBE 5 wins. The only advantage this year for me personally is that I know it's going to happen. I was in denial about it happening last year, but not in '08.

Mecca
08-02-2008, 02:23 PM
That schedule isn't as easy as it looks, most of the games we consider winable are on the road which hurts.

BigVE
08-02-2008, 02:29 PM
That schedule isn't as easy as it looks, most of the games we consider winable are on the road which hurts.

And you have to honestly look at this: although those other teams/games LOOK winnable, WHO are we actually better than? We are used to seeing and making fun of those other perennial losers...where do we honestly stand amongst them? Sad reality is that we are right there with the "best" of them.

the Talking Can
08-02-2008, 02:32 PM
Would you like to not have Dorsey?

I'm sorry I'd rather have a higher pick than winning a game that means nothing when the teams 4-10.

The true fans are back to crap on realism, the team is in the first year of rebuilding they are not going to be good, it's plain as day.

Anyone who thinks there's no difference in picking 14th or 15th and picking 4th or 5th is out of their mind.

and anyone who looks at our roster and thinks we're going to be 8-8, or better, is - pardon my korean - out of their ****ing mind....

Mecca
08-02-2008, 02:36 PM
and anyone who looks at our roster and thinks we're going to be 8-8, or better, is - pardon my korean - out of their ****ing mind....

That's what I think also....

When people say that all I want is a reason why when you look at all these holes, even if every one of these rookies was even better than expected and we got good play in places we weren't expecting there are still holes everywhere.

That's all I wanna know is how we're gonna win with that many holes when you can be exploited alot of times when you only have a few.

the Talking Can
08-02-2008, 02:42 PM
That's what I think also....

When people say that all I want is a reason why when you look at all these holes, even if every one of these rookies was even better than expected and we got good play in places we weren't expecting there are still holes everywhere.

That's all I wanna know is how we're gonna win with that many holes when you can be exploited alot of times when you only have a few.

and any injury will decimate us, we have no depth anywhere

backup LB, OL, WR, QB, DE....all trash

people have got to look at this honestly, and be patient....

we are arguably the most talent poor team in the league....

JuicesFlowing
08-02-2008, 03:48 PM
How are you supposed to teach these young guys what winning feels like? Do the coaches tell the guys in the locker room to half-ass it, so they can get a better pick the following April? Look, I get your point about draft position, but I will never understand trying to lose a game ... does that make sense?

blueballs
08-02-2008, 03:56 PM
I never want to see them to lose
but I sure as hell have no room
to complain about the results

Mecca
08-02-2008, 03:57 PM
How are you supposed to teach these young guys what winning feels like? Do the coaches tell the guys in the locker room to half-ass it, so they can get a better pick the following April? Look, I get your point about draft position, but I will never understand trying to lose a game ... does that make sense?

Um the players don't try to lose games, honestly players don't want high draft picks because anyone taken in the top 10 is going to start right away and take someones job.

As fans though you should realize it's better for the future of your team to get the better players and not win a game that doesn't mean anything.

Skip Towne
08-02-2008, 04:01 PM
I've rooted against the Chiefs before. One year, against some nobody , it was gonna cost us like 5 draft positions to win.

JuicesFlowing
08-02-2008, 04:03 PM
Point taken. Preseason hasn't even started yet, and I'm not going to get into negative mode. Maybe half-way through the season I'll change my mind and see things differently. But as most people have said here, I'm looking more for good performance by the youngsters as opposed to win-loss record. Even I don't see the Chiefs winning more than 6 ... so don't worry, I'll agree with you more as the season progresses.

the Talking Can
08-02-2008, 04:03 PM
How are you supposed to teach these young guys what winning feels like? Do the coaches tell the guys in the locker room to half-ass it, so they can get a better pick the following April? Look, I get your point about draft position, but I will never understand trying to lose a game ... does that make sense?

no one is telling them to lose...christ you True Fans are a dumb bunch....

they're going to lose regardless....that's the reality of our youth and talent level, and complete lack of depth....and coaching, imho...

we could finish 5-11, with lots of young guys getting better, Brodie getting better, but losing games due to dumb mistakes, coaching, and injury...and it would be a successful season...stop fixating on our record, it is irrelevant....

and drop the retarded red herring about people wanting to lose...

OnTheWarpath58
08-02-2008, 04:06 PM
we could finish 5-11, with lots of young guys getting better, Brodie getting better, but losing games due to dumb mistakes, coaching, and injury...and it would be a successful season...stop fixating on our record, it is irrelevant....

The quicker people come to this realization, the more enjoyable this season will be.

ChiefsCountry
08-02-2008, 04:14 PM
The quicker people come to this realization, the more enjoyable this season will be.

I know I have, I am excited for this season. Young guys will drive us nuts, make us happy all in the same game. Should be a fun ride this year.

JuicesFlowing
08-02-2008, 04:24 PM
I know I have, I am excited for this season. Young guys will drive us nuts, make us happy all in the same game. Should be a fun ride this year.

I'm expecting the same. And I see and understand the overall picture. If I didn't love the Chiefs and want the best for them, I wouldn't be on this site spending my time here. I'm a fan, not a critic. I guess it's more complicated than "winning is better than losing" ...

blueballs
08-02-2008, 09:31 PM
its only been bout 2 mnths, but i try to call out these f*gg*t azz posts bout my beloved chiefs as much as possible.

we don't need a crappy losing season. period.

so
how do you feel about loving
on the cock about now

whoman69
08-02-2008, 10:16 PM
We might be amongst the worst teams in the league this year, but 0-16. We play some pretty light competition this year. I'd say we could be the worst team in the league, but I would go only as low as 2 wins for a bottom out prediction.

thurman merman
08-03-2008, 12:19 AM
and any injury will decimate us, we have no depth anywhere



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