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Dinny Blues
08-02-2008, 02:56 PM
I see lots of people saying we could win or lose X amount of games this year.

I understand "any given Sunday", and winning some we should have lost or losing some we should have won.

I am also aware that it is too early to tell due to pre-season game injuries-trades-etc.

What I am wondering is if you are predicting X amount of victories this season, which games are you basing your realistic chances of winning this season?

I am pessimistic based on many reasons, and have a limited knowledge of the game and other teams.

I think we should be able to beat the Raiders once, maybe twice. I also think we will win one other game somewhere along the line that we should have lost based on any given Sunday, although I don't know which game.

Not trying to argue with anyone myself, but would like to learn from you more knowledgeable posters arguing amongst yourselves. (Conrad Dobler)

I see us winning 2 or maybe 3 games.

Dinny

Mr. Arrowhead
08-02-2008, 02:59 PM
it all depends on how well the o line and brodie croyle performs. If they preform well, then i really think this team can make a push at a wild card spot, if they dont perform so so, then i see anywhere between 6-8 wins. But if they flat out suck, then no more than 4 wins.

JBucc
08-02-2008, 02:59 PM
I'll predict another 4-12 season.

Guru
08-02-2008, 03:00 PM
3-13

Mecca
08-02-2008, 03:01 PM
Under 5....if things go like how they look on paper we could very well have the #1 overall draft pick.

Dinny Blues
08-02-2008, 03:02 PM
Which teams do you guys think we will defeat?

Dinny

the Talking Can
08-02-2008, 03:02 PM
6-10 would be a great year for this squad....regardless of what True Fans think...

but I'm thinking 4-5 wins is more likely....

tk13
08-02-2008, 03:04 PM
I think there was so many unknowns it's really hard to say. There are too many young guys that no one can truly evaluate at the NFL level because they haven't played there yet. Since we have so many young guys, it's realistic to think we aren't gonna be very good.

But, a lot of these guys could flop, and we could legitimately be a 1-15 team. Or if some of these guys live up to their hype as the best draft class... it's not unrealistic to think these young guys like Dorsey or Charles become playmakers and push this team to be one of those "up and coming" 6-7 win teams that plays real scrappy and upsets a couple good teams while losing to a couple bad ones.

OnTheWarpath58
08-02-2008, 03:04 PM
I'm thinking a floor of 4 wins, and a ceiling of 6 wins.

This team has more talent than last year, albeit young talent.

But I'd rather have young talent than none at all.

Mecca
08-02-2008, 03:07 PM
I think even if several of the rookies are good we still won't win more than 3 or 4 games, we have serious holes in key spots...

The left side of our DL is pretty much nothing, we have 2 giant LB holes, Pollard will likely continue to get picked on, and that doesn't even count the giant questions on offense.

tk13
08-02-2008, 03:12 PM
Yeah, but the level of talent in the NFL isn't that great right now. There are a lot of 8-8 teams with holes. The key is the offensive line getting better and the defensive line playing strong.

That's it. We've got a RB, TE, and WR who can all play at an elite level and be playmakers. Two guys on the right side of the DL that can cause havoc, and two not great, but very good linebackers. That's best case scenario, for sure, but there are plenty of 6 or 7 win teams that probably don't have much more than that.

Count Zarth
08-02-2008, 03:14 PM
If this Albert thing doesn't get resolved we're looking at 5-11 or worse.

Dinny Blues
08-02-2008, 03:15 PM
Do we have a realistic shot at beating Miami?

Buffalo?

New Orleans?

etc.?

I know it's early and that's why they play the games.

I am just wondering who on the schedule makes you think we can win X amount of games?

Dinny

tk13
08-02-2008, 03:15 PM
On the flipside. LJ could get hurt, Bowe could have a sophomore slump. Several of our draft picks could under perform, and we'd be 1-15.

But reality is, most NFL teams fall between 10-6 and 6-10ish level anyway. To be 6-10 isn't any great accomplishment... it's been at the bottom end of that big clump of teams in the middle. There are only 3-4 teams who are usually really good, and usually only 2-3 that are really bad.

Mecca
08-02-2008, 03:18 PM
Do we have a realistic shot at beating Miami?

Buffalo?

New Orleans?

etc.?

I know it's early and that's why they play the games.

I am just wondering who on the schedule makes you think we can win X amount of games?

Dinny

New Orleans will probably cream us, and I don't think Buffalo is a winable game either...

Miami is sure, so is Atlanta but after those 2 it gets questionable, hell even Atlanta sort of is because it's a road game.

Spott
08-02-2008, 03:18 PM
4-5 games only because we play a schedule that even Mangino would think was easy.

Mecca
08-02-2008, 03:19 PM
Yeah, but the level of talent in the NFL isn't that great right now. There are a lot of 8-8 teams with holes. The key is the offensive line getting better and the defensive line playing strong.

That's it. We've got a RB, TE, and WR who can all play at an elite level and be playmakers. Two guys on the right side of the DL that can cause havoc, and two not great, but very good linebackers. That's best case scenario, for sure, but there are plenty of 6 or 7 win teams that probably don't have much more than that.

That is kind of my argument to why even if this team has talent will have problems this year, the difference in winning and losing is small, when you play young players who'll make mistakes it may take them from a team that could have won 6 or 7 to a team that wins 2.

OnTheWarpath58
08-02-2008, 03:20 PM
Do we have a realistic shot at beating Miami?

Buffalo?

New Orleans?

etc.?

I know it's early and that's why they play the games.

I am just wondering who on the schedule makes you think we can win X amount of games?

Dinny


My thoughts from another thread...

I'll break it down this way:

No Chance: New England

Less than 25% chance: Tennesee, Tampa, New Orleans, San Diego, @ San Diego, @ Denver, @ Cincinnati

Toss up: Denver, Buffalo, @ Carolina, @ Jets, @ Oakland

Should win: Oakland, Miami, @ Atlanta

Dinny Blues
08-02-2008, 03:22 PM
New Orleans will probably cream us, and I don't think Buffalo is a winable game either...

Miami is sure, so is Atlanta but after those 2 it gets questionable, hell even Atlanta sort of is because it's a road game.

THAT'S what I'm talking about.


Thanx, Mecca. Is there anyone else on the schedule we can sneak up on in your opinion?

Dinny

Nzoner
08-02-2008, 03:23 PM
New Orleans will probably cream us,



I don't see any probably about it,with addition of Shockey at TE I'm looking at the Saints easily being in the top 5 of scoring in the NFL this year.Colston has got to love this addition.

Dinny Blues
08-02-2008, 03:23 PM
My thoughts from another thread...

Thanx, OTW58.

Dinny

Mecca
08-02-2008, 03:24 PM
THAT'S what I'm talking about.


Thanx, Mecca. Is there anyone else on the schedule we can sneak up on in your opinion?

Dinny

I think this is gonna be a long year, I see people going nuts by week 8, we could win 1 of the Bronco games that team isn't very good.

ChiefsCountry
08-02-2008, 03:28 PM
4 to 6 wins. The real key is how well the young guys can play at Arrowhead. The schedule isnt that hard face it the whole AFC West is rebuilding sans San Diego add in Miami, NY Jets, and Atlanta and you got a shot at some wins. With a young team, they got the factors that can you get some wins on offense - Johnson, Smith and Charles can pound the ball and shorten the game. Really IMO wins would be nice but if our young guys are getting better as the season goes on that is the most important.

JuicesFlowing
08-02-2008, 03:29 PM
Which teams do you guys think we will defeat?

Dinny

I can see us winning 6 games. I'm an optimist too, I want us to win and not fail for better draft picks. But here are the teams I think we can beat:

Oakland at least once.
Atlanta away.
Buffalo at home.
Miami at home.
New York Jets away.
Denver at home.

There is always the possibility of beating Oakland twice, and hell, maybe Denver. So 6-8 wins at most. Of course, this pisses some people off because they want the Chiefs to go 1-15 to get better draft picks. Whatever.

OnTheWarpath58
08-02-2008, 03:31 PM
I can see us winning 6 games. I'm an optimist too, I want us to win and not fail for better draft picks. But here are the teams I think we can beat:

Oakland at least once.
Atlanta away.
Buffalo at home.
Miami at home.
New York Jets away.
Denver at home.

There is always the possibility of beating Oakland twice, and hell, maybe Denver. So 6-8 wins at most. Of course, this pisses some people off because they want the Chiefs to go 1-15 to get better draft picks. Whatever.

Prepare for the wrath of Mecca.

He who thinks Buffalo is some world-beater, capable of making the playoffs in a STACKED AFC...

:D

ChiefsCountry
08-02-2008, 03:34 PM
Chiefs will beat somebody they shouldnt like San Diego or New Orleans and will lose to somebody they shouldnt. Thats just the NFL.

The real crappy thing is the 3 easiest shots for wins are in weeks 2-4. We could be 3-1 to start the season and finish the year 3-9 and everybody would be saying how crappy it is.

Mecca
08-02-2008, 03:36 PM
Prepare for the wrath of Mecca.

He who thinks Buffalo is some world-beater, capable of making the playoffs in a STACKED AFC...

:D

Um it's a playoff team, they have the best young secondary in the league and should be better on offense now, they finished strong last year with numerous players on IR, they should make the playoffs. They'll take Tennessee's spot from last year, Buffalo is every bit as good as them and the East has a super easy schedule.

The Jets spent so much money on players, but we'll see.

JuicesFlowing
08-02-2008, 03:39 PM
Prepare for the wrath of Mecca.

He who thinks Buffalo is some world-beater, capable of making the playoffs in a STACKED AFC...

:D

If we played Buffalo away, I think we'd lose. Then again, the Arrowhead Advantage is slipping away fast. What with fans leaving in the second quarter ...

OnTheWarpath58
08-02-2008, 03:41 PM
Um it's a playoff team, they have the best young secondary in the league and should be better on offense now, they finished strong last year with numerous players on IR, they should make the playoffs.

The Jets spent so much money on players, but we'll see.

So Buffalo is going to make the playoffs over two of these teams? (All finished 8-8 or better in 2007)

New England
Indianapolis
Jacksonville
San Diego
Pittsburgh
Cleveland
Tennessee
Houston


No way in hell that happens.

Mecca
08-02-2008, 03:42 PM
I believe they'll make it over Houston, Tennessee and Cleveland, the schedule benefits them and I think Cleveland will come back down this year, Derrick Anderson is not that good.

Buffalo's schedule benefits them greatly think of this, Jets twice, Miami twice, and they play the AFC and NFC west's...

Otter
08-02-2008, 03:43 PM
I'm guessing 4-12

blueballs
08-02-2008, 03:45 PM
instead of one game at a time
its one play at a time
on the + side they're all to inexperienced not to believe/know any better

Mecca
08-02-2008, 03:46 PM
Look at Buffalo's schedule...

Sun 9/7 Seattle 1:00 pm
Sun 9/14 at Jacksonville 1:00 pm
Sun 9/21 Oakland 1:00 pm
Sun 9/28 at St. Louis 4:05 pm
Sun 10/5 at Arizona 4:15 pm
bye
Sun 10/19 San Diego 1:00 pm
Sun 10/26 at Miami 1:00 pm
Sun 11/2 NY Jets 1:00 pm
Sun 11/9 at New England 1:00 pm
Mon 11/17 Cleveland 8:30 pm
Sun 11/23 at Kansas City 1:00 pm
Sun 11/30 San Francisco 1:00 pm
Sun 12/7 Miami 4:05 pm
Sun 12/14 at NY Jets 1:00 pm
Sun 12/21 at Denver 4:05 pm
Sun 12/28 New England 1:00 pm

There's atleast 11 wins on that schedule, they have a schedule that makes a playoff team.

Tribal Warfare
08-02-2008, 03:46 PM
It could range from 6-10 or if everything gels miraculously 10-6

OnTheWarpath58
08-02-2008, 03:48 PM
I believe they'll make it over Houston, Tennessee and Cleveland, the schedule benefits them and I think Cleveland will come back down this year, Derrick Anderson is not that good.

Buffalo's schedule benefits them greatly think of this, Jets twice, Miami twice, and they play the AFC and NFC west's...

Looking at their schedule, I'll bet they don't even make the .500 mark.

Wins:

Oakland, @ Arizona, Jets, @KC, San Francisco, Miami, @ Miami

Losses:

Seattle, @ Jacksonville, @ STL, San Diego, @ NE, Cleveland, @ NYJ, @ Denver, NE.

7-9.

Like you said, you can't expect a young team to win often on the road. Had they played STL and Denver at home, you could convince me of 9-7.

OnTheWarpath58
08-02-2008, 03:49 PM
Look at Buffalo's schedule...

Sun 9/7 Seattle 1:00 pm
Sun 9/14 at Jacksonville 1:00 pm
Sun 9/21 Oakland 1:00 pm
Sun 9/28 at St. Louis 4:05 pm
Sun 10/5 at Arizona 4:15 pm
bye
Sun 10/19 San Diego 1:00 pm
Sun 10/26 at Miami 1:00 pm
Sun 11/2 NY Jets 1:00 pm
Sun 11/9 at New England 1:00 pm
Mon 11/17 Cleveland 8:30 pm
Sun 11/23 at Kansas City 1:00 pm
Sun 11/30 San Francisco 1:00 pm
Sun 12/7 Miami 4:05 pm
Sun 12/14 at NY Jets 1:00 pm
Sun 12/21 at Denver 4:05 pm
Sun 12/28 New England 1:00 pm

There's atleast 11 wins on that schedule, they have a schedule that makes a playoff team.


ROFL

11 wins...

FAX
08-02-2008, 03:52 PM
We'll win 4 or 5, in my opinion. Unless, of course, we have a game in which we beat ourselves.

Which isn't really possible.

FAX

Mecca
08-02-2008, 03:52 PM
Apparently you missed that part of them being ahead of the Chiefs in their rebuild look how they finished last year....and they always beat the Jets on the road....

People always seem to sell that team short.

They went 7-9 last year with half their team on IR and a first year QB, so you are going to tell me with FA and solid draft additions, an easy schedule and their players returning they are going to have the same record?

If that was the Chiefs in that spot and someone did that people would go apeshit about what a moronic thing to say that is.

J Diddy
08-02-2008, 03:54 PM
It could range from 6-10 or if everything gels miraculously 10-6


I say the possibility of 10-6 is there but the probability of 4-12 is more likely

OnTheWarpath58
08-02-2008, 04:03 PM
Apparently you missed that part of them being ahead of the Chiefs in their rebuild look how they finished last year....and they always beat the Jets on the road....

People always seem to sell that team short.

They went 7-9 last year with half their team on IR and a first year QB, so you are going to tell me with FA and solid draft additions, an easy schedule and their players returning they are going to have the same record?

If that was the Chiefs in that spot and someone did that people would go apeshit about what a moronic thing to say that is.

Of course they're ahead of the Chiefs in the rebuilding process - I've never claimed otherwise.

They had a ridiculously easy schedule LAST year and only went 7-9. They beat ONE team with a winning record, Washington, and that was as much due to Joe Gibbs dipshittery than anything else.

Their QB and OL play is going to have to be WORLDS better than 2007 if they even want to consider a .500 record, much less a playoff spot, IMO.

Mecca
08-02-2008, 04:07 PM
I think getting their 20 guys back off IR should get them atleast a couple more wins....

They had complete scrubs starting every week in numerous positions.

Midnight_Vulture
08-02-2008, 04:16 PM
We wont win more than 8 games. Get a lousy draft pick and start the same cycle over and over again. It never gets old.

One things for sure, we wont be winning the Super Bowl anytime soon.

Ebolapox
08-02-2008, 04:28 PM
seriously, vulture. every time I see one of your posts (with your goofy ass avatar motorcycle ridin' laptop stealin' skank posin' grin) I think of this picture...

<img src="http://www.smooth3d.com/xterra/assclown.jpg">

JuicesFlowing
08-02-2008, 04:36 PM
We wont win more than 8 games. Get a lousy draft pick and start the same cycle over and over again. It never gets old.

One things for sure, we wont be winning the Super Bowl anytime soon.

It never gets old, or it does? Because going over and over through a cycle would get old.

Nightfyre
08-02-2008, 05:06 PM
I believe they'll make it over Houston, Tennessee and Cleveland, the schedule benefits them and I think Cleveland will come back down this year, Derrick Anderson is not that good.

Buffalo's schedule benefits them greatly think of this, Jets twice, Miami twice, and they play the AFC and NFC west's...

I agree.

DaneMcCloud
08-02-2008, 05:28 PM
So Buffalo is going to make the playoffs over two of these teams? (All finished 8-8 or better in 2007)

New England
Indianapolis
Jacksonville
San Diego
Pittsburgh
Cleveland
Tennessee
Houston


No way in hell that happens.

Pittsburgh is definitely on the fringe. It's Tomlin's second year, their offensive line is horrific and they finished the season badly. In talking to a few diehard Pittsburgh fans, they could easily see that team as 5-11 just as easily as 10-6.

Houston? Well, they lost their QB last season only to have Rosenfels step up big time. They may be an improving team but they may take a step back before moving forward again. That happens quite often with a young team (Look at the 2006 Jets).

As for Tennessee, if Vince Young doesn't make remarkable improvements, they could be 8-8 this season at best. They don't have a marquee running back, WR or TE and while they'll play their division rivals tough, outside of their division is where they usually falter.

I'm not going to go on record saying that Buffalo is a lock for they playoffs but they did put about 20 guys on IR last year, including their high first round linebacker.

I don't think there's much of a chance the Chiefs can beat Buffalo this season.

DenverDanChiefsFan
08-02-2008, 05:54 PM
Um it's a playoff team, they have the best young secondary in the league and should be better on offense now, they finished strong last year with numerous players on IR, they should make the playoffs. They'll take Tennessee's spot from last year, Buffalo is every bit as good as them and the East has a super easy schedule.

The Jets spent so much money on players, but we'll see.
Why is it other teams "young talent" is a bonus in your mind, but our "young talent" means we lose games?

KCUnited
08-02-2008, 06:00 PM
I think its entirely possible that we could go winless on the road, even with that week 3 game against Atlanta. This team has had a losing culture on the road even before the rebuild.

ChiefsCountry
08-02-2008, 06:08 PM
Here is the game's I think we will win:

Oakland
at Atlanta
Denver
Tampa Bay
at Oakland
Miami

Tampa Bay is that suprise game but looking at their team, yes they were a playoff team but they arent exactly a powerhouse. NFC South is the league where you go from the top to the bottom real quick and I think Tampa is that team.

Lonewolf Ed
08-02-2008, 06:09 PM
I think KC will win three games. I have no idea which three, so I look forward to the surprises. Any wins beyond my prediction of three will be gravy. Yippee.

Mecca
08-02-2008, 06:48 PM
Why is it other teams "young talent" is a bonus in your mind, but our "young talent" means we lose games?

Most of their young talent has been in the league more than 1 year, the only rookie players they have they will be asking much of are McKelvin and Hardy...

Yes Trent Edwards is a 2nd year QB but even with him as a rookie they won 7 games even if he only progresses a bit with the rest of the moves they made I think they're looking at 11 wins.

Direckshun
08-02-2008, 06:53 PM
I actually don't think Derek Anderson is that good, either. I remember watching the Browns twice last year and the entire game he's overthrowing and throwing behind guys.

But his receivers were just having amazing games. Braylon Edwards seems to be the 2nd best WR in the entire league (behind Moss).

RedThat
08-02-2008, 06:55 PM
Lots of questions. Lots of answers to be determined for this upcoming season being a Chiefs fan.

Can Brandon Albert be an all pro perrenial left tackle?

Is Brodie Croyle the answer?

How will the offense perform under Gailey?

Will Glenn Dorsey turn out to be an all pro perrenial defensive tackle?

How will Herm manage a team with an infusion of youth?

Who is going to be our kicker? Are we going to have a good kicker?

And much much more questions.

Curiousity kills the cat on this one?

This season kinda sets a different feeling, a tone and frame of mind.Leaving me curious. You don't know what to expect? Could be a lot of positives or a lot of negatives? Im actually looking forward to this season. But Im hoping my approach to the season can be in the most optimistic way possible. Im keeping a close eye on these rookies to see how they develop. No expectations set for this team. I think, and can sense a lot of fans are setting expectations from what happened last year. Not trying to take a shot at the fans here, but that is unfair. I hope I didn't open up a can of worms by saying that. But Remember this is a league of parody. Thats what makes it great. Not saying the Chiefs will be 12-4 or anything.


We already know what you have in Tony G, LJ, Waters, Surtain, D.J., D.Edwards...so its the rooks that are going to determine the difference whether this team be it good or bad.

Direckshun
08-02-2008, 06:59 PM
Can Brandon Albert be an all pro perrenial left tackle?
I really doubt it, but I don't think we'll find out the answer to this question this year. I believe we'll need two seasons to figure this out. This year should be all about whether he sinks or swims.

Is Brodie Croyle the answer?
I seriously doubt it, but I don't think the Chiefs will do anything about it.

How will the offense perform under Gailey?
It won't, sadly.

Will Glenn Dorsey turn out to be an all pro perrenial defensive tackle?
We won't know that this season. This season will be all about getting him accustomed to the action.

How will Herm manage a team with an infusion of youth?
As well as you can, honestly.

Mecca
08-02-2008, 07:04 PM
I really doubt it, but I don't think we'll find out the answer to this question this year. I believe we'll need two seasons to figure this out. This year should be all about whether he sinks or swims.


I seriously doubt it, but I don't think the Chiefs will do anything about it.


It won't, sadly.


We won't know that this season. This season will be all about getting him accustomed to the action.


As well as you can, honestly.

You know if that's correct we'll still need the 3 most important positions on a team?

chiefs1111
08-02-2008, 07:14 PM
Here is the game's I think we will win:

Oakland
at Atlanta
Denver
Tampa Bay
at Oakland
Miami

Tampa Bay is that suprise game but looking at their team, yes they were a playoff team but they arent exactly a powerhouse. NFC South is the league where you go from the top to the bottom real quick and I think Tampa is that team.

I really don't think we will beat Tampa Bay,but you never know.. That maybe the one game we aren't suppose to win but do.....

chiefs1111
08-02-2008, 07:17 PM
and as far as the argument of Buffalo making the playoff's I think it's quite possible as long as Edwards continues to make progress for them. I think Hardy is going to be a big addition for them on offense, a good target in the red zone.

cdcox
08-02-2008, 07:38 PM
Oakland at least once.
Atlanta away.
Buffalo at home.
Miami at home.
New York Jets away.
Denver at home.



I see those all as toss ups, more or less. 2 to 5 wins is what I expect.

JuicesFlowing
08-02-2008, 07:57 PM
Remember the days when the Chiefs were almost guaranteed to win 6-8 games at home? I miss those days.

chief52
08-02-2008, 08:13 PM
Not sure where they will come from, but I think the Chiefs will win 3-4 games this season. I am not going to worry too much about wins and losses this year. This is a season that development will be much more important than wins and losses.

J Diddy
08-02-2008, 08:38 PM
Couple of things are gonna make me change my opinion posted previously

albert misses training camp

niswanger too tall

d mac too old

backup dude from the jets not good

brian too pissed they did this to him again

0-16

DenverDanChiefsFan
08-02-2008, 10:23 PM
Most of their young talent has been in the league more than 1 year, the only rookie players they have they will be asking much of are McKelvin and Hardy...

Yes Trent Edwards is a 2nd year QB but even with him as a rookie they won 7 games even if he only progresses a bit with the rest of the moves they made I think they're looking at 11 wins.

Just posting the players currently on the roster with 1-3 years (the current roster has a lot or rookies). I see at least a couple of playmakers there.

It just seems that you are biased towards the Chiefs sucking just to be negative.

Not saying that is wrong - I just like to look at the brighter side of things.

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DaneMcCloud
08-02-2008, 10:25 PM
Just posting the players currently on the roster with 1-3 years (the current roster has a lot or rookies). I see at least a couple of playmakers there.

It just seems that you are biased towards the Chiefs sucking just to be negative.

Not saying that is wrong - I just like to look at the brighter side of things.

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whoman69
08-02-2008, 10:53 PM
Low side could be two wins. I expect around four, with six on the high end.

Count Zarth
08-02-2008, 11:31 PM
Niswanger's not too tall. His pads get low.

If you want to be concerned about Niswanger, be concerned that he's not quick enough against guys like Glenn Dorsey.

DaneMcCloud
08-02-2008, 11:32 PM
Niswanger's not too tall. His pads get low.

If you want to be concerned about Niswanger, be concerned that he's not quick enough against guys like Glenn Dorsey.

Dude, he's 6'5.

Most successful centers are 6'2 and below.

Usually around 6'0.

ChiefsCountry
08-02-2008, 11:37 PM
Dude, he's 6'5.

Most successful centers are 6'2 and below.

Usually around 6'0.

The best center in the league is 6'4", Matt Birk.

CosmicPal
08-02-2008, 11:39 PM
The best center in the league is 6'4", Matt Birk.

Only because he was wearing high-heels. :D

DaneMcCloud
08-02-2008, 11:41 PM
The best center in the league is 6'4", Matt Birk.

And he's a freak.

The best centers are usually around 6'2.

Count Zarth
08-02-2008, 11:42 PM
And he's a freak.


No chance Niswanger could become something special?

**** me, man. **** me.

ChiefsCountry
08-02-2008, 11:47 PM
Kevin Mawae - 6'4
Bruce Matthews - 6'5

Mecca
08-02-2008, 11:48 PM
So wait we're asking an undrafted player to be an exception and then start comparing him to HOFers?

Count Zarth
08-02-2008, 11:53 PM
F*ck tha Chiefs.

DaneMcCloud
08-03-2008, 12:13 AM
No chance Niswanger could become something special?

**** me, man. **** me.

I personally thought he had major promise as a guard.

I hope these reports of him playing "high" can be corrected. He's certainly a smart player, having played all five positions at one time or another at LSU.

DaneMcCloud
08-03-2008, 12:13 AM
Kevin Mawae - 6'4
Bruce Matthews - 6'5

No offense, Dude but way to point out the multiple Pro-Bowl Hall of Famers.

If it were that easy, the Chiefs wouldn't be in the position they are now.

Messier
08-03-2008, 12:27 AM
No offense, Dude but way to point out the multiple Pro-Bowl Hall of Famers.

If it were that easy, the Chiefs wouldn't be in the position they are now.

Ok,

Nick Harwick 6-4
Casey Rabach 6-4
Al Johnson 6-5
Nick Mangold 6-5
Justin Hartwig 6-4
Chris Myers 6-4
Jamaal Jackson 6-4
Andre Gurode 6-4

Look, I don't know if Rudy will be any good or not but his hight shouldn't be the problem.

DaneMcCloud
08-03-2008, 12:29 AM
Ok,

Nick Harwick 6-4
Casey Rabach 6-4
Al Johnson 6-5
Nick Mangold 6-5
Justin Hartwig 6-4
Chris Myers 6-4
Jamaal Jackson 6-4
Andre Gurode 6-4

Look, I don't know if Rudy will be any good or not but his hight shouldn't be the problem.

Other than the fact that he's 6'5 and has been playing too high, according to multiple sources.

IMO, he should be the starting right guard.

But WTF do I know? I guess, other than what I've seen of him.

RustShack
08-03-2008, 12:55 AM
13-3, we lose to the Falcons and Raiders twice.

boogblaster
08-03-2008, 06:46 AM
At this point it's a horse-race ... Hopefully by season's end we're playing good football and ready for another strong draft to improve a good young team ....

HonestChieffan
08-03-2008, 09:55 AM
4-12

ChiliConCarnage
08-03-2008, 09:59 AM
I'll go on record for a 3-13 barring major injuries. It's difficult to predict due to all the changes. If the new defense can hold their own similar to last year and the O-line can gell there is no reason to think we may not sneak a few more victories out if the LJ of old returns.

'course that's a lot of ifs

Bwana
08-03-2008, 12:46 PM
4-12

mrbiggz
08-03-2008, 01:11 PM
Maybe i'm being pessimistic but I don't see this team with more than 6 wins with Herm. What has he done to say this he is a good coach? Herm teams are known for slow starts couple that with a young team and injuries to our first round draft picks then you have the makings of a disaster. i'm calling 4-12 again

Bowser
08-03-2008, 01:14 PM
3-13. Worse if Dorsey and Albert's injuries linger.

Cormac
08-03-2008, 02:16 PM
No more than 4 wins, IMO.

But we're rebuilding in a big way so this season should be a lot of fun to watch from that perspective. My expectations are lower than ever, but I'm looking forward to seeing the team make progress.

I think Croyle will do OK considering a horrible O-line. But I bet there'll be a lot of doubts about his overall ability next off-season too. I'm very worried that Albert is going to bust. When is the last time a college guard was drafted in the 1st round to play OT as a rookie? Just not a formula I like.....at all. There are no strong units on this team IMO. The D-line could have been a strength except for trading JA (which in the grand scheme I favoured) and Dorsey missing time in camp. We've got talent in a lot of spots but it's either never been maximised (DJ etc.) or unproven (rookies etc.).

This won't be a year to savour but it should be worth watching.

Direckshun
08-03-2008, 02:35 PM
I honestly don't know where any of our wins are going to come.

KCinNY
08-03-2008, 03:01 PM
The most optimistic part of me says that they'll start 1-9 or something and then finsh strong by winning 4 of their last 6. Setting themselves up with momentum for a strong run in '09.

The pessimistic(realistic) part of me sees 1-15 as a distinct possiblity.

Rausch
08-03-2008, 03:08 PM
Remember the days when the Chiefs were almost guaranteed to win 6-8 games at home? I miss those days.

I fully expet 4-4 at home.

There is no longer a lack of talent on the team preventing us from being competitive. We easily have 8-8 talent (for whatever that's worth.) Our problem is teaching the n00bs how to play and win.

Pasta Giant Meatball
08-03-2008, 03:21 PM
It all hinges on how fast the young guys get up to speed and prove they can play at a high level. An improved Brodie Croyle would help big time, but we won't know anything until he gets game action. Albert being out hurts the o-line and his own development no question, but a guy like Herb Taylor now gets a shot to show what he can do. On D it was going to be tough to get a pass rush to begin with, but with Dorsey's injury it does not sound good as far as pressure goes. Tank Tyler has a major opportunity now himself.

I just want to see our 2 first rounders get back and on the field to show what they have. Even if it isn't a pretty season record wise there are alot of young guys to get behind.

Dinny Blues
08-03-2008, 03:32 PM
It just seems to me that the weak teams on our schedule should show improvement over last year just as we hope to.

With these guys hurt, and not getting training camp reps....

I would just like to hear from you all where the wins you are thinking we will have this year are coming from. Which 4, 5, 6 etc. games do you think we will win.

Some of the replies have included these thoughts, some haven't.

I appreciate everyone's input. I usually prefer to read football threads than participate due to my limited knowledge.

Dinny

chiefbowe82
08-03-2008, 03:43 PM
we're throwing brodie croyle at qb finally
whose are fb anyway?
we have 1 good receiver that i've seen so far
our te is good but old as dirt
our o-line is horrible we have waters who is good but old as dirt, and a rookie who may produce...then i don't even know who else is on the line we have zero consistency with keeping guys at posistions on the line
we gave up the best young defensive player in football
who is starting a dt and de edwards and boone two other veterans?
no clue who the mlb is gonna be and donnie is old as dirt
surtain is old as dirt, and pollard will get picked on.
Herm has pretty much failed on most all of his free agents, and has took forever getting these young guys in (brodie croyle)

Dinny Blues
09-14-2008, 08:42 PM
I would like to revise my prediction.

I will definitely watch more games than we will win this year.

I already have.

Can we do worse than 0-16?

If so, how?

Dinny

Brock
09-14-2008, 08:44 PM
13-3, we lose to the Falcons and Raiders twice.

ROFL Oh, man.

FAX
09-14-2008, 08:46 PM
I see lots of people saying we could win or lose X amount of games this year.

I understand "any given Sunday", and winning some we should have lost or losing some we should have won.

I am also aware that it is too early to tell due to pre-season game injuries-trades-etc.

What I am wondering is if you are predicting X amount of victories this season, which games are you basing your realistic chances of winning this season?

I am pessimistic based on many reasons, and have a limited knowledge of the game and other teams.

I think we should be able to beat the Raiders once, maybe twice. I also think we will win one other game somewhere along the line that we should have lost based on any given Sunday, although I don't know which game.

Not trying to argue with anyone myself, but would like to learn from you more knowledgeable posters arguing amongst yourselves. (Conrad Dobler)

I see us winning 2 or maybe 3 games.

Dinny

You know, in my most objective, lucid moments, I think we're probably a 2 or 3 win team, as well, Mr. Dinny Blues. And that's taking into account the "any given Sunday" factor.

FAX

dj56dt58
09-14-2008, 08:49 PM
I think after week 10 the League will allow us to play division two college teams for our last 6..so I'll go with 2 wins

Braincase
09-14-2008, 09:22 PM
Our best to chance to win is next weekend. If we don't win that game, we could be looking at a 2-3 win season at best. Trade Larry for picks, we'll need all the picks we can get.

chief52
09-15-2008, 06:34 AM
Not sure where they will come from, but I think the Chiefs will win 3-4 games this season. I am not going to worry too much about wins and losses this year. This is a season that development will be much more important than wins and losses.


Well, I only predicted 3-4 wins...but that could probably too much. It is funny to go back and read this thread. Some people were definitely drinking the Kool-aid.

chief52
11-18-2008, 08:03 PM
Look at Buffalo's schedule...

Sun 9/7 Seattle 1:00 pm
Sun 9/14 at Jacksonville 1:00 pm
Sun 9/21 Oakland 1:00 pm
Sun 9/28 at St. Louis 4:05 pm
Sun 10/5 at Arizona 4:15 pm
bye
Sun 10/19 San Diego 1:00 pm
Sun 10/26 at Miami 1:00 pm
Sun 11/2 NY Jets 1:00 pm
Sun 11/9 at New England 1:00 pm
Mon 11/17 Cleveland 8:30 pm
Sun 11/23 at Kansas City 1:00 pm
Sun 11/30 San Francisco 1:00 pm
Sun 12/7 Miami 4:05 pm
Sun 12/14 at NY Jets 1:00 pm
Sun 12/21 at Denver 4:05 pm
Sun 12/28 New England 1:00 pm

There's atleast 11 wins on that schedule, they have a schedule that makes a playoff team.

Last place in their division at 5-5. Buffalo will have to win out to get 11 wins.

the Talking Can
11-18-2008, 08:25 PM
6-10 would be a great year for this squad....regardless of what True Fans think...

but I'm thinking 4-5 wins is more likely....

i gave herm waaaaaay too much credit

bigbucks24
11-18-2008, 09:21 PM
The most optimistic part of me says that they'll start 1-9 or something and then finsh strong by winning 4 of their last 6. Setting themselves up with momentum for a strong run in '09.

The pessimistic(realistic) part of me sees 1-15 as a distinct possiblity.

WOW. That's kinda impressive.

Dinny Blues
12-29-2008, 05:50 AM
What I'd like to know is who was the guy that had the smoked gouda mac and cheese recipe.

Dinny

beach tribe
12-29-2008, 06:05 AM
About Buffalo.

Um it's a playoff team, they have the best young secondary in the league and should be better on offense now, they finished strong last year with numerous players on IR, they should make the playoffs. They'll take Tennessee's spot from last year, Buffalo is every bit as good as them and the East has a super easy schedule.

The Jets spent so much money on players, but we'll see.


Another golden prediction from the great Mecca.

Mecca
12-29-2008, 06:06 AM
Look they fucked up, they even started 5-1....I didn't realize Dick Jauron was white Herm..they should have made the playoffs.

beach tribe
12-29-2008, 06:09 AM
Look they ****ed up, they even started 5-1....I didn't realize Dick Jauron was white Herm..they should have made the playoffs.

Yeah. In a division with the Pats, Jets, and Phins.

I think the funniest part is the "They're gonna take TN's spot in the POs."

Mecca
12-29-2008, 06:11 AM
Yeah. In a division with the Pats, Jets, and Phins.

I think the funniest part is the "They're gonna take TN's spot in the POs."

I thought Vince Young was starting the entire season when I said that....

Braincase
12-29-2008, 06:54 AM
Our best to chance to win is next weekend. If we don't win that game, we could be looking at a 2-3 win season at best. Trade Larry for picks, we'll need all the picks we can get.

I am NOSTRADUMBASS!