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dirk digler
08-03-2008, 12:44 PM
Holy cow that is alot more money than Kerry and Edwards got for their haircuts. Why no outrage from the losers on the right? This guy is out of touch with real Americans.

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This summer John McCain is traveling in style. He has worn a pair of $520 black leather Ferragamo shoes on every recent campaign stop — from a news conference with the Dalai Lama to a supermarket visit in Bethlehem, PA. The Calfskin loafers (http://www.neimanmarcus.com/store/catalog/prod.jhtml?itemId=prod47260056&parentId=cat10580739&masterId=cat000550&index=40&cmCat=cat000000cat000470cat000526cat000550cat10580739), with silver-tone "Gancini" buckles, are imported from Italy.
In response to Barack Obama's foreign tour, McCain spent much of his energy last week emphasizing his focus on domestic issues. What better way to show his American pride than to tour the country in Italian leather?


http://images.huffingtonpost.com/2008-07-29-mccainshoesdetail.jpg

Ultra Peanut
08-03-2008, 12:46 PM
Gancini buckles? That sounds like some kinda queer slang to me!

GIT HIM, BOYS!

HolmeZz
08-03-2008, 12:46 PM
That's pretty elitist.

beer bacon
08-03-2008, 12:48 PM
John and Cindy McCain are worth 100+ million dollars. They have six residences. Cindy says the only way to get around Arizona is private jet. John McCain proposed to Cindy while he was still married to his first wife. John McCain ain't nothin but a gold digga.

beer bacon
08-03-2008, 12:49 PM
Also, those are some nice looking shoes.

HolmeZz
08-03-2008, 12:50 PM
John and Cindy McCain are worth 100+ million dollars. They have six residences. Cindy says the only way to get around Arizona is private jet. John McCain proposed to Cindy while he was still married to his first wife. John McCain ain't nothin but a gold digga.

He's a triflin' friend indeed.

ChiefaRoo
08-03-2008, 12:51 PM
Psssst, they're all elitists. That's why pols are called the "political elite"

beer bacon
08-03-2008, 12:52 PM
Psssst, they're all elitists. That's why pols are called the "political elite"

Pssssst, it is the rightwing that portrayed George W. Bush, the son of a President and a member of the one of the most powerful families in the world, as a regular joe. They are also the ones trying to portray John McCain, who's wife is worth tens of millions of dollars, as the normal guy.

dirk digler
08-03-2008, 12:52 PM
He is an elitist POS. I hope he steps into some dog shit with those queer shoes of his

alanm
08-03-2008, 12:54 PM
Eh.. He overpaid for them.

ChiefaRoo
08-03-2008, 12:57 PM
Pssssst, it is the rightwing that portrayed George W. Bush, the son of a President and a member of the one of the most powerful families in the world, as a regular joe. They are also the ones trying to portray John McCain, who's wife is worth tens of millions of dollars, as the normal guy.

Pssst, I understand that bacon boy. All pols try to convince the masses of a lot of things. Fooking Al Gore wants to change the worlds energy uses while he uses more power than several entire American families combined.

The point is quit talking about the obvious bullshit and start concentrating on the real issues that really matter like out of control spending, a runaway southern border, the intrusion of socialism into our lives or whatever it is that each of you consider a core issue of concern as a citizen. Talking about whether the elite are elite or what kind of shoes they wear is moronic.

Skip Towne
08-03-2008, 12:59 PM
What was his maiden name before he married Cindy?

ChiefaRoo
08-03-2008, 01:04 PM
What was his maiden name before he married Cindy?


McSkip? :)

Ehh, it's a slow day

alanm
08-03-2008, 01:05 PM
Pssst, I understand that bacon boy. All pols try to convince the masses of a lot of things. Fooking Al Gore wants to change the worlds energy uses while he uses more power than several entire American families combined.

The point is quit talking about the obvious bullshit and start concentrating on the real issues that really matter like out of control spending, a runaway southern border, the intrusion of socialism into our lives or whatever it is that each of you consider a core issue of concern as a citizen. Talking about whether the elite are elite or what kind of shoes they wear is moronic.
Well, Duh.

Pitt Gorilla
08-03-2008, 01:06 PM
John and Cindy McCain are worth 100+ million dollars. They have six residences. Cindy says the only way to get around Arizona is private jet. John McCain proposed to Cindy while he was still married to his first wife. John McCain ain't nothin but a gold digga.Now, I ain't sayin' he a gold digga, but he ain't messin' wit' no broke, broke.

Ultra Peanut
08-03-2008, 01:06 PM
Pssst, I understand that bacon boy. All pols try to convince the masses of a lot of things. Fooking Al Gore wants to change the worlds energy uses while he uses more power than several entire American families combined.Actually, Gore's costs are higher because he pays to obtain energy from alternative energy sources, and his energy usage is in line with the rest of the homes around his.

Not saying he's a saint, but god damn, people latch onto the first thing they can to try to vilify others.

dirk digler
08-03-2008, 01:15 PM
McCain is a gold digga and his wife is a druggie...what a wonderful combination

ChiefaRoo
08-03-2008, 01:15 PM
Actually, Gore's costs are higher because he pays to obtain energy from alternative energy sources, and his energy usage is in line with the rest of the homes around his.

Not saying he's a saint, but god damn, people latch onto the first thing they can to try to vilify others.


Bullshit. He's a hypocrite and a glutton. That fooker eats more and consumes more. Plain and simple.

Carbon banks? I understand how they work. All they are is a way for people with big bucks to live on the top of the food chain, consuming all they want, flying all over the place and doing exactly opposite of what they say all of us should do and then simply write a check to make themselves feel better.


If you buy into that scam peanut then why don't you write a check?

Ultra Peanut
08-03-2008, 01:18 PM
I'm broke, *****, I'm broke.

Baby Lee
08-03-2008, 01:22 PM
ROFL - Cargo Largo $40, bought 'em back when it was RSO, probably 8+ years ago.

Ferragamo, Polo, Bacco Bucci, Johnston & Murphy, all shoes worth their price because they last 10x as long as cheap shit.

HolmeZz
08-03-2008, 01:29 PM
I'm broke, *****, I'm broke.

F*CK NICK CANNON

Claynus
08-03-2008, 01:30 PM
How the **** can anyone spend that much on shoes?

If I find out that ANYONE on this site owns a pair of shoes worth more than $500, I'm coming after you.

ChiefaRoo
08-03-2008, 01:31 PM
I'm broke, *****, I'm broke.

Allright then just quit giving off Co2. Starting, now!

nice knowing you. :)

Baby Lee
08-03-2008, 01:32 PM
How the **** can anyone spend that much on shoes?

If I find out that ANYONE on this site owns a pair of shoes worth more than $500, I'm coming after you.

Bring it little man. You already have the proof.

And I stand behind the position of well-made shoes being worth the money. I've had cheap and I STILL HAVE expensive. I've never spent $500, but I have some whose MSRP approaches that, and when you calculate up 10 instances of the first flaws showing up in your $50 'sensible' shoes and 10 times trying to get them fixed, and 10 times giving up and going to the shoe store and buying another sensible pair, . . . when you could've had one pair last that long and be more comfortable from cradle to grave. . . well it's a no brainer.

ChiefaRoo
08-03-2008, 01:35 PM
Seriously guys, who gives a shite about shoes? These kinds of issues are just crap designed to keep people distracted.

By the way I have a pair. So what?

Baby Lee
08-03-2008, 01:36 PM
Seriously guys, who gives a shite about shoes? These kinds of issues are just crap designed to keep people distracted.

By the way I have a pair. So what?

Clayton's coming to kill you.

jAZ
08-03-2008, 01:41 PM
Psssst, they're all elitists. That's why pols are called the "political elite"

Did you come to Obama's defense with this at every turn over the last few weeks?

Maybe I'm missing something.

recxjake
08-03-2008, 01:55 PM
A 500 dollar pair of shes would be comparable to having a Rolex watch, a Mercedes car, or a million dollar home.... B.O and McCain are both millionaires... the difference is that B.O. doesn't think his shit stinks.

Ultra Peanut
08-03-2008, 01:57 PM
F*CK NICK CANNONHe's hilaaaaaarious.

recxjake
08-03-2008, 01:58 PM
He is an elitist POS. I hope he steps into some dog shit with those queer shoes of his

ROFL

Pitt Gorilla
08-03-2008, 01:58 PM
He's hilaaaaaarious.Hylobius.

beer bacon
08-03-2008, 01:58 PM
A 500 dollar pair of shes would be comparable to having a Rolex watch, a Mercedes car, or a million dollar home.... B.O and McCain are both millionaires... the difference is that B.O. doesn't think his shit stinks.

Look how stupid you are.

ChiefaRoo
08-03-2008, 02:12 PM
Clayton's coming to kill you.

Actually, I bet LJ has many pairs of expensive shoes. Since Goat's in River Falls he might as well make good on his threat there.

ChiefaRoo
08-03-2008, 02:14 PM
Did you come to Obama's defense with this at every turn over the last few weeks?

Maybe I'm missing something.

I'm just saying that all pols are elitist. This whole man of the people thing just doesn't exist except for maybe a handful of newbie congressmen.

Claynus
08-03-2008, 02:16 PM
Actually, I bet LJ has many pairs of expensive shoes. Since Goat's in River Falls he might as well make good on his threat there.

Larry is entitled.

DeezNutz
08-03-2008, 02:26 PM
I heard he looked at those shoes for 40 minutes, on tape, polishing them over and over again.

Ultra Peanut
08-03-2008, 02:47 PM
Hylobius.http://helobious.ytmnd.com

morphius
08-03-2008, 02:57 PM
I can't imagine that any shoe is $500 comfortable.

jAZ
08-03-2008, 03:33 PM
I'm just saying that all pols are elitist. This whole man of the people thing just doesn't exist except for maybe a handful of newbie congressmen.
Did you come to Obama's defense with this at every turn over the last few weeks?

Maybe I'm missing something.

vailpass
08-03-2008, 03:39 PM
Shoes, scotch and women. In all three instances you get what you pay for.

Baby Lee
08-03-2008, 03:41 PM
http://helobious.ytmnd.com

moist and peaty, much like vp's scotch..

'Hamas' Jenkins
08-03-2008, 03:44 PM
Who posts pictures of their own shoes?

Baby Lee
08-03-2008, 03:55 PM
Who posts pictures of their own shoes?

32,00 posts don't write themselves.
Chill dude, we have scores of poop threads, immense threads of a virgin loser posting his childhood photos he found in a box, clean jokes, dirty jokes, hiakus, but one guy sees a national news story about a supposedly ridiculously opulent pair of shoes and recognizes them from his own closet. Kind of relevant to the discussion I'd think.

***SPRAYER
08-03-2008, 04:10 PM
Eh.. He overpaid for them.


ROFL

I could have arranged a five finger discount.

SBK
08-03-2008, 04:11 PM
Did you come to Obama's defense with this at every turn over the last few weeks?

Maybe I'm missing something.

Shutup and go change your tires before Karl Rove gets indicted and Dick Cheney gets executed.

'Hamas' Jenkins
08-03-2008, 05:05 PM
32,00 posts don't write themselves.
Chill dude, we have scores of poop threads, immense threads of a virgin loser posting his childhood photos he found in a box, clean jokes, dirty jokes, hiakus, but one guy sees a national news story about a supposedly ridiculously opulent pair of shoes and recognizes them from his own closet. Kind of relevant to the discussion I'd think.

I'm just wondering why someone would have pictures of their shoes. :shrug:

StcChief
08-03-2008, 05:06 PM
they last longer that $400 dollar hair cuts ? /John Edwards

Baby Lee
08-03-2008, 05:12 PM
I'm just wondering why someone would have pictures of their shoes. :shrug:

I don't 'have' pictures of my shoes. I do, however, have the shoes, my computer, a camera and 5 free seconds.

In case you can't tell from the quality, that didn't come from the Sears Studio.

'Hamas' Jenkins
08-03-2008, 05:13 PM
I don't 'have' pictures of my shoes. I do, however, have the shoes, my computer, a camera and 5 free seconds.

In case you can't tell from the quality, that didn't come from the Sears Studio.

It would seem as though you do have pictures of your shoes/Donger.

Baby Lee
08-03-2008, 05:16 PM
It would seem as though you do have pictures of your shoes/Donger.

Would you like a picture of [glancing around] a can of soda, my keyboard, the pair of socks I wore yesterday? Technology is amazing.

'Hamas' Jenkins
08-03-2008, 05:17 PM
Would you like a picture of [glancing around] a can of soda, my keyboard, the pair of socks I wore yesterday? Technology is amazing.

Pissing you off is like starting a lawnmower. ROFL

Bowser
08-03-2008, 05:18 PM
People, people! He used his Economic Stimulus checks for those!

Bowser
08-03-2008, 05:18 PM
Would you like a picture of [glancing around] a can of soda, my keyboard, the pair of socks I wore yesterday? Technology is amazing.

Do your ****ing laundry, fer chrissakes.

Baby Lee
08-03-2008, 05:21 PM
Do your ****ing laundry, fer chrissakes.

It's one pair of socks!! Keep it up and I'll wear them again tomorrow!!


Geez, can you imagine Hamas' proletariat rage if I cranked up my fancy bourgie clothes washing machine to wash a single pair of socks?

'Hamas' Jenkins
08-03-2008, 05:23 PM
It's one pair of socks!! Keep it up and I'll wear them again tomorrow!!


Geez, can you imagine Hamas' proletariat rage if I cranked up my fancy bourgie clothes washing machine to wash a single pair of socks?

ROFL

Thanks for proving my point. I give you a finger poke over posting a picture of shoes and go completely apoplectic.

Baby Lee
08-03-2008, 05:23 PM
Pissing you off is like starting a lawnmower. ROFL


Yeah, I'm positively giggling with anger.

Baby Lee
08-03-2008, 05:26 PM
ROFL

Thanks for proving my point. I give you a finger poke over posting a picture of shoes and go completely apoplectic.

Oh, now I AM pissed. But I'm pissed at Bowser for shaming me into increasing my carbon footprint. Well, I'm off to wash my socks on Super-Load, on hot!!

BucEyedPea
08-03-2008, 05:26 PM
Oh, now I AM pissed. But I'm pissed at Bowser for shaming me into increasing my carbon footprint. Well, I'm off to wash my socks on Super-Load, on hot!!

hot sets stains fyi :D

BucEyedPea
08-03-2008, 05:29 PM
Shoes, scotch and women. In all three instances you get what you pay for.

I'm high maintenance.:D

Bowser
08-03-2008, 05:37 PM
Oh, now I AM pissed. But I'm pissed at Bowser for shaming me into increasing my carbon footprint. Well, I'm off to wash my socks on Super-Load, on hot!!

Don't forget to use too much bleach!

StcChief
08-03-2008, 05:43 PM
I'm high maintenance.:DIf it has t1ts or tires... you will have problems with it.

Programmer
08-03-2008, 05:57 PM
How the **** can anyone spend that much on shoes?

If I find out that ANYONE on this site owns a pair of shoes worth more than $500, I'm coming after you.

I suppose you buy all of your shoes at Wal-Mart or K-Mart.

Bowser
08-03-2008, 06:01 PM
If it has t1ts or tires... you will have problems with it.

Just kick 'em every now and again to make sure they're still in working order.

dirk digler
08-03-2008, 06:30 PM
A 500 dollar pair of shes would be comparable to having a Rolex watch, a Mercedes car, or a million dollar home.... B.O and McCain are both millionaires... the difference is that B.O. doesn't think his shit stinks.

I am sure you said the exact thing about Kerry and Edwards haircut.

Phobia
08-03-2008, 06:39 PM
I have a pair of Lucchese full-quill ostrich boots that set me back quite a bit more than that. They hang on the wall in my Western basement 99.99% of the year.

Sully
08-03-2008, 06:50 PM
I bought some pants at the Bass Pro Shop for $14.95 yesterday... tax free.
High rollin'!!!

redbrian
08-03-2008, 07:03 PM
ďHoly cow that is a lot (sp) more money than Kerry and Edwards got for their haircuts. Why no outrage from the losers on the right? This guy is out of touch with real Americans.Ē

Economics is not really your strong point is it.

I pay around $250 for my dress shoes and they last me around 5yrs.

So letís say McCain will get at least 5yrs out of his shoes, which means he is paying $104 a yr for the shoes.

Letís say he has four pair of dress shoes all costing about the same, his total would be $408 a year for dress shoes.

Letís say Edwards pays $200 every four weeks for a hair cut, thatís 13 haircuts a year for a total of $2,600 for hair cuts or 6.37 times more.

Programmer
08-03-2008, 07:14 PM
I am sure you said the exact thing about Kerry and Edwards haircut.

I don't know about others, but I did not attack their spending habits. A pair of decent Florshiems costs $130 to $170. Other national brands are in that same price range. If you buy the "upper class" shoes, regardless of who you are you can spend as much as McCain did for his shoes. Can you afford them? Apparently McCain can, I'm sure that Obama can as well.

Just for the sake of argument what did McCain pay for his suits? What does Obama pay for his suits and shoes?

Programmer
08-03-2008, 07:15 PM
I have a pair of Lucchese full-quill ostrich boots that set me back quite a bit more than that. They hang on the wall in my Western basement 99.99% of the year.

Probably last longer that way.

StcChief
08-03-2008, 07:20 PM
ROFLJust kick 'em every now and again to make sure they're still in working order.tires...

but the milkin' days are over

I'm not breaking silicon either :D

Sully
08-03-2008, 07:22 PM
My list of "Shit I now know about the candidates that I couldn't care less about" is getting full.
I'm either going to have to start a new list, or buy a new notebook.

Claynus
08-03-2008, 08:33 PM
I suppose you buy all of your shoes at Wal-Mart or K-Mart.

Hey, Tom? You're a shithead. Get the **** off Chiefsplanet.

irishjayhawk
08-03-2008, 08:47 PM
A 500 dollar pair of shes would be comparable to having a Rolex watch, a Mercedes car, or a million dollar home.... B.O and McCain are both millionaires... the difference is that B.O. doesn't think his shit stinks.

Hmmmmm.

http://chiefsplanet.com/BB/showpost.php?p=3990844&postcount=9

It has do with Edwards going all over this country talking about how there are two Americas, yet he and his $400.00 haircuts give him zero credibility on the issue of poverty

Does that mean McCain doesn't have credibility either?

'Hamas' Jenkins
08-03-2008, 08:51 PM
Hmmmmm.

http://chiefsplanet.com/BB/showpost.php?p=3990844&postcount=9



Does that mean McCain doesn't have credibility either?

It's almost like fighting Glass Joe, isn't it?

HolmeZz
08-03-2008, 08:52 PM
Hmmmmm.

http://chiefsplanet.com/BB/showpost.php?p=3990844&postcount=9



Does that mean McCain doesn't have credibility either?

John Edwards thinks his shit doesn't stink.

John McCain on the other hand is not in denial about how much his shit stinks.

irishjayhawk
08-03-2008, 08:54 PM
John Edwards thinks his shit doesn't stink.

John McCain on the other hand is not in denial about how much his shit stinks.

Very good observation. I wasn't able to get a HolmeZz level beat down. Apparently, jake didn't talk about the hair cut too much.

irishjayhawk
08-03-2008, 08:57 PM
In the same thread, however, there are some comedy things. Most are directed at him but this one is pretty funny:

http://chiefsplanet.com/BB/showpost.php?p=3991797&postcount=50

dirk digler
08-03-2008, 09:12 PM
Hmmmmm.

http://chiefsplanet.com/BB/showpost.php?p=3990844&postcount=9



Does that mean McCain doesn't have credibility either?

LMAO

OWNED....again. That includes the tool called redbrian who got slammed in his own thread and was to chicken shit to post in it

Ultra Peanut
08-03-2008, 11:31 PM
Would you like a picture of [glancing around] a can of soda, my keyboard, the pair of socks I wore yesterday? Technology is amazing.YES! Let me see you shake that soda, boy.

Mr. Kotter
08-03-2008, 11:39 PM
:rolleyes:

Ultra Peanut
08-04-2008, 12:35 AM
SHAKE THAT SODA
SHAKE THAT SODA
SHAKE THAT SODA
YOU GOT TO
SHAKE THAT SODA
SHAKE THAT SODA
SHAKE THAT SODA
ALL THE WAY

ilovemichaelsettle
08-04-2008, 12:38 AM
shit he can afford them, hes old and rich, he is trying to pass of as a non wealthy dem, but if he is gonna wear thoes shoes he is giving all that shit away to soon, he needs to be on the rep. side

Ultra Peanut
08-04-2008, 01:17 AM
what

Programmer
08-04-2008, 07:40 AM
Hey, Tom? You're a shithead. Get the **** off Chiefsplanet.

I'm sorry, you get yours at Salvation Army ... right?

I'll leave CP when you do.

Sully
08-04-2008, 08:47 AM
I wonder... when you have shoes that expensive, do you wear them in your casket? Or do you pass them down to someone else.
I mean, it's such a waste to be buried in something so expensive, but on the other hand, it'd be creepy (to me) to wear a dead guy's shoes.

NewChief
08-04-2008, 08:49 AM
I wonder... when you have shoes that expensive, do you wear them in your casket? Or do you pass them down to someone else.
I mean, it's such a waste to be buried in something so expensive, but on the other hand, it'd be creepy (to me) to wear a dead guy's shoes.

There's got to be an estate tax joke in there somewhere.

Iowanian
08-04-2008, 08:56 AM
as compared to the Walmart Jeruslalem Cruisers (WJC) kicks being skipped around the country by Hoperah?

Programmer
08-04-2008, 10:49 AM
I wonder... when you have shoes that expensive, do you wear them in your casket? Or do you pass them down to someone else.
I mean, it's such a waste to be buried in something so expensive, but on the other hand, it'd be creepy (to me) to wear a dead guy's shoes.

I was unaware that anyone was buried with their shoes on, at least in the modern era. Cowboys always were. When Phobia dies Pink is going to bury him with his boots on.

eazyb81
08-04-2008, 10:52 AM
Can we all just get over the fact that McCain, Obama, and every other politican are very wealthy? I'm not sure why people are still shocked by this, it's as if some think they just quit their shift at the local Ford plant to try this President thing.

Programmer
08-04-2008, 12:13 PM
Can we all just get over the fact that McCain, Obama, and every other politican are very wealthy? I'm not sure why people are still shocked by this, it's as if some think they just quit their shift at the local Ford plant to try this President thing.

Don't worry much about it. The libs will always bring up things about the conservatives and vice versa. They seem to forget the fact you've pointed out.

Bowser
08-04-2008, 03:16 PM
Can we all just get over the fact that McCain, Obama, and every other politican are very wealthy? I'm not sure why people are still shocked by this, it's as if some think they just quit their shift at the local Ford plant to try this President thing.

In the era of TMZ.com and thesmokinggun.com? Highly unlikely.

HonestChieffan
08-04-2008, 03:18 PM
In a socialist/communist state we would all have the same shoes.

Programmer
08-04-2008, 03:27 PM
In a socialist/communist state we would all have the same shoes.

Naw, none of us have shoes unless we are part of the party.

HonestChieffan
08-04-2008, 03:32 PM
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d191/Wooddust/Comfortableshoes.jpg

Bowser
08-04-2008, 03:33 PM
If Obama had better shoes I'd vote for him.

memyselfI
08-04-2008, 04:00 PM
Disclaimer: I am a shoeaholic.

That being said. I do not think that spending $500 for a pair of men's shoes is that outrageous. They usually do not have a closet full of shoes (guilty as charged) and they usually wear them for many seasons because they are not as fashionably fickle as are women's shoes. Thus, a pair of men's shoes could be worn for many years. The higher quality of the shoe the higher number of years of return you are likely to get thus the higher price you will pay.

So, I'm not trying to be an apologist for McCain but on this issue I'd give him a break. I can justify spending that much on a pair of shoes and would if I could but I can't so I don't.

memyselfI
08-04-2008, 04:01 PM
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d191/Wooddust/Comfortableshoes.jpg

I don't know which is more mortifying, these shoes or the fact that they do not give their kids birthday presents. :spock:

BucEyedPea
08-04-2008, 04:18 PM
I don't know which is more mortifying, these shoes or the fact that they do not give their kids birthday presents. :spock:

That pic is hilarious! ROFL

But is that true they don't give their kids b-day presents? :eek::spock:

'Hamas' Jenkins
08-04-2008, 06:00 PM
That pic is hilarious! ROFL

But is that true they don't give their kids b-day presents? :eek::spock:

False, they get headresses and copies of the Koran.

Programmer
08-04-2008, 06:16 PM
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d191/Wooddust/Comfortableshoes.jpg

Looks to be photoshop came in handy for the picture.

I wonder how much those shoes cost Obama new?

Seems to be a very convenient photo.

Ultra Peanut
08-04-2008, 11:34 PM
I don't know which is more mortifying, these shoes or the fact that they do not give their kids birthday presents. :spock:They throw big birthday parties for their kids in lieu of giving them shit, and their kids get Christmas presents "from Santa." Horrible parents, really.

memyselfI
08-05-2008, 06:55 AM
They throw big birthday parties for their kids in lieu of giving them shit, and their kids get Christmas presents "from Santa." Horrible parents, really.

So, they get presents from a made up fictional figure about whom they've been lied to about but not from those responsible for their very life? I think that is freakin WEIRD. Parties are fine but to get nothing from your parents to celebrate your birth is just strange. It need not be anything extravagant. The party is fine as it's the community celebrating you but nothing from your parents when you are a child?

I find this unacceptable. I am not alone.


http://www.bostonherald.com/news/opinion/op_ed/view/2008_08_05_Barack_Obama:_Pretense_galore/

But it was during a conversation with my radio listeners about Obama’s birthday trip to Boston yesterday that I got a glimpse into the Chosen One’s real problem.

We were looking for the perfect gift for “The man who is everything” and I was suggesting the traditional items for someone of Obama’s stature - gold, frankincense and myrrh. I was taken aback by the number of listeners who said the Democratic standard-bearer should get nothing because of a People magazine article about the Obama family’s policy of not giving Christmas or birthday presents to their own two daughters.

I didn’t bring that fact up. My listeners did, and it bothered them.

Now there’s nothing necessarily wrong with parents not giving their kids birthday or holiday gifts, but it is, well, unusual. Do you know any parents like this? I don’t.

NewChief
08-05-2008, 06:57 AM
So, they get presents from a made up fictional figure about whom they've been lied to about but not from those responsible for their very life? I think that is freakin WEIRD. Parties are fine but to get nothing from your parents to celebrate your birth is just strange. It need not be anything extravagant. The party is fine as it's the community celebrating you but nothing from your parents when you are a child?

I find this unacceptable. I am not alone.


Your obsession is showing. It's just weird that you even give a shit about how someone celebrates their birthday. You, of all ****ing people, are going to criticize people raising their kids unconventionally? WTF is wrong with you?

memyselfI
08-05-2008, 07:09 AM
Your obsession is showing. It's just weird that you even give a shit about how someone celebrates their birthday. You, of all ****ing people, are going to criticize people raising their kids unconventionally? WTF is wrong with you?

Hey, they are entitled to do WTF they please. But if they are running for POTUS and becoming First Family then their private practices become public business ESPECIALLY IF THEY CHOOSE TO MAKE IT PUBLIC.

Thus, when they engage in strange practices like exposing their children to a racist minister as a teacher or throwing lavish parties for their kids but not giving them a single present then they cannot complain when people :spock: over their choices.

I'm not sure where you are going with the unconventional insinuation about my kids upbringing. They are about as conventional as it gets with the exception of not attending church regularly. They are more politically and socially aware than many their age but that is because as a family we don't partake in reality tv other than the news.

Ultra Peanut
08-05-2008, 07:11 AM
You've been so much more entertaining since you started hating Obama. You were funny before, but now, Jesus.

dirk digler
08-05-2008, 07:16 AM
Hey, they are entitled to do WTF they please. But if they are running for POTUS and becoming First Family then their private practices become public business ESPECIALLY IF THEY CHOOSE TO MAKE IT PUBLIC.

Thus, when they engage in strange practices like exposing their children to a racist minister as a teacher or throwing lavish parties for their kids but not giving them a single present then they cannot complain when people :spock: over their choices.

I'm not sure where you are going with the unconventional insinuation about my kids upbringing. They are about as conventional as it gets with the exception of not attending church regularly. They are more politically and socially aware than many their age but that is because as a family we don't partake in reality tv other than the news.

Wow they are really bad parents. Actually I am impressed about how they raise their kids and they don't seem to spoil their kids.

In a magazine interview Obama and his wife Michelle revealed that one of their steadfast house rules is not giving Christmas or birthday presents to Malia, 10, and Sasha, seven.
The couple explained that they spend "hundreds" on birthday slumber parties and want to "teach some limits". Santa Claus is still permitted to deliver seasonal gifts however.
The girls are also given an allowance of just $1 (50p) a week for performing household chores, according to People magazine. Those chores include making their own bed, setting and clearing the dinner table and putting themselves to bed by 8.30pm.

memyselfI
08-05-2008, 07:16 AM
You've been so much more entertaining since you started hating Obama...Jesus.

Obots can't help themselves.

chiefforlife
08-05-2008, 07:18 AM
They are more politically and socially aware than many their age but that is because as a family we don't partake in reality.
ROFL, Im just kidding.

BigChiefFan
08-05-2008, 07:19 AM
This is some hilarious shit. Denise has fallen off the deep end.

memyselfI
08-05-2008, 07:22 AM
Wow they are really bad parents. Actually I am impressed about how they raise their kids and they don't seem to spoil their kids.

Excuse me, I don't recall saying they are BAD parents. I said what they are doing, rather not doing, for their children is weird and I don't agree with it. Especially the part of getting presents from Santa, otherwise known as a fraud on humanity, but not from those responsible for their life. Are the gifts from Santa a way to 'celebrate' Christmas? Like other Christians, perhaps? Why Santa?

IOW, it's ok for them to get presents from an entity that their parents have lied to about the existence of but not from them? Certainly I am not the only person finding this to be a curious way of 'teaching' values.

Teaching limits is great. I just find using their birthday to be an odd choice for a day to teach those limits. Your birthday is the only day that is unique to you. Thus, that should be the one day that 'limits' are modified, IMO. In MOST people's opinion.

HonestChieffan
08-05-2008, 07:26 AM
Maybe the kids will save their $1 a week and go together to buy their old man some shoes or have the old ones re soled.

BigChiefFan
08-05-2008, 07:31 AM
Excuse me, I don't recall saying they are BAD parents. I said what they are doing, rather not doing, for their children is weird and I don't agree with it. Especially the part of getting presents from Santa' otherwise known as a fraud on humanity, but not from those responsible for their life. Are the gifts from Santa a way to 'celebrate' Christmas? Like other Christians, perhaps? Why Santa?

So it's ok for them to get presents from an entity that their parents have lied to about the existence of but not from them? Certainly I am not the only person finding this to be a curious way of 'teaching' values.

Teaching limits is great. I just find using their birthday to be an odd choice for a day to teach those limits. Your birthday is the only day that is unique to you. Thus, that should be the one day that 'limits' are modified, IMO. In MOST people's opinion.Let's see, they have money and they choose not to spoil their children with frivalous toys and you take issue with it? Here's an idea, raisse your OWN kids, and let them raise theirs, the way they see fit, okay, budinski?

chiefforlife
08-05-2008, 07:34 AM
www.NoSanta.com

Dont be a Santabot. Stop the lies! Santa wears Nice shoes.

memyselfI
08-05-2008, 07:39 AM
Let's see, they have money and they choose not to spoil their children with frivalous toys and you take issue with it? Here's an idea, raisse your OWN kids, and let them raise theirs, the way they see fit, okay, budinski?

Again, Obots, focus on what I'm saying and stop with the autopilot mindless responses. Who said anything about toys?

They can raise their kids however they fuggin please. But if it's out of the MAINSTREAM, and it is, and they have introduced their children and their parenting INTO the CAMPAIGN, which they have, then they open the door to the scrutiny of their parenting and their family.

Also, no one is talking extravagant gifts. MOF, I find spending 'hundreds' on parties to be more extravagant and frivolous then buying your child a book and writing an inscription or a locket or something personal they can treasure.

But then again, one of the ways they are teaching values is to show the community how they are willing to keep up with the Jones' by hosting expensive parties while the other is a personal and private expression between parent and child.

NewChief
08-05-2008, 07:41 AM
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But then again, one of the ways they are teaching values is to show the community how they are willing to keep up with the Jones' by hosting expensive parties while the other is a personal and private expression between parent and child.

ROFL ROFL ROFL

You have become so ****ing weird. I see it as showing your kids that experiences can be more important and valuable than possessions.

BigChiefFan
08-05-2008, 07:43 AM
Again, Obots, focus on what I'm saying and stop with the autopilot mindless responses. Who said anything about toys?

They can raise their kids however they fuggin please. But if it's out of the MAINSTREAM, and it is, and they have introduced their children and their parenting INTO the CAMPAIGN, which they have, then they open the door to the scrutiny of their parenting and their family.

Also, no one is talking extravagant gifts. MOF, I find spending 'hundreds' on parties to be more extravagant and frivolous then buying your child a book and writing an inscription or a locket or something personal they can treasure.

But then again, one of the ways they are teaching values is to show the community how they are willing to keep up with the Jones' by hosting expensive parties while the other is a personal and private expression between parent and child.Again, it's none of your business how they raise their kids and again, how is that improper parenting? Oh, I see, because you find it peculiar, he must be a bad parent, right?

memyselfI
08-05-2008, 07:44 AM
ROFL ROFL ROFL

You have become so ****ing weird. I see it as showing your kids that experiences can be more important and valuable than possessions.

Yes, experiences can be. My point is that BOTH the experience and the personal between parent and child are important.

They are missing one of the aspects, IMO. But then I wouldn't have exposed my children to Rev. Wright either so perhaps I am missing something. :doh!:

memyselfI
08-05-2008, 07:45 AM
Again, it's none of your business how they raise their kids and again, how is that improper parenting? Oh, I see, because you find it peculiar, he must be a bad parent, right?

It is your business if they talk about it to the press WHICH THEY CHOSE TO DO. If they do not want their parenting critiqued then they should STFU about it.

NObama realized too late that he should not have brought his kids into this process. But by then he'd and the kids had already spilled the beans about some things that people would find weird.

BigChiefFan
08-05-2008, 07:47 AM
Yes, experiences can be. My point is that BOTH the experience and the personal between parent and child are important.

They are missing one of the aspects, IMO. But then I wouldn't have exposed my children to Rev. Wright either so perhaps I am missing something. :doh!:

So now you've turned this into they don't have a good personal relationship with their kids, because they don't give them frivalous toys? I don't think you're playing with a full deck because you are connecting non-existant dots to formulate an idealogy on their parental skills based on a whole lot of nothing.

memyselfI
08-05-2008, 07:50 AM
So now you've turned this into they don't have a good personal relationship with their kids, because they don't give them frivalous toys? I don't think you're playing with a full deck because you are connecting non-existant dots to formulate an idealogy on their parental skills based on a whole lot of nothing.

No, I am not saying they don't have a good relationship with their kids.

I AM saying that it is odd to teach them values by allowing them to accept gifts from a fictional figure they've lied to their children about but not from the parents themselves.

It's an odd way of teaching a virtue.

Baby Lee
08-05-2008, 07:51 AM
Is this 'frivalous' something like Festivus? So BHO is not Christian OR Muslim, but frivalist?

memyselfI
08-05-2008, 07:53 AM
Is this 'frivalous' something like Festivus? So BHO is not Christian OR Muslim, but frivalist?

ROFL

Santaist
Clausist
St. Nickist

BigChiefFan
08-05-2008, 07:57 AM
No, I am not saying they don't have a good relationship with their kids.

I AM saying that it is odd to teach them values by allowing them to accept gifts from a fictional figure they've lied to their children about but not from the parents themselves.

It's an odd way of teaching a virtue.So we all should stop with Santa Claus? Some how, I don't believe that the Obama's are the only ones who practice this tradition. I gather, neither do you, but you are just clutching at straws to find anything and everything to discredit Obama for. How ****ing lame.

Now Denise doesn't like the Obama's because they include Santa Claus in their Christmas tradition-how unAmerican of them.

memyselfI
08-05-2008, 08:01 AM
So we all should stop with Santa Claus? Some how, I don't believe that the Obama's are the only ones who practice this tradition. I gather, neither do you, but you are just clutching at straws to find anything and everything to discredit Obama for. How ****ing lame.

Now Denise doesn't like the Obama's because they include Santa Claus in their Christmas tradition-how unAmerican of them.

I practiced Santa too until the kids were about 6 and capable of understanding that their parents were the ones providing the gifts because we love them and not some mystical figure who they'd been lied to about.

We thought they should be taught early the value of their parents providing them gifts out of love just as they are provided a home and security. NO ONE out side our family is going to GIVE them a damn thing and they have no right to expect them to. They must work for anything they get outside our home. Inside our four walls it's given to them because they are ours and we love them...

no Santa can or will do that for them.

BigChiefFan
08-05-2008, 08:01 AM
Is this 'frivalous' something like Festivus? So BHO is not Christian OR Muslim, but frivalist?Duck and weave and still you bring nothing to the otherside of the argument. Again, the facts are the facts, but you like to avoid those. Sorry, you can't dispute the facts, so you attempt to discredit by using an avoidment tactic asnd in the process never actually dispute what was said, because you kow it's a fact.

Baby Lee
08-05-2008, 08:03 AM
Duck and weave and still you bring nothing to the otherside of the argument. Again, the facts are the facts, but you like to avoid those. Sorry, you can't dispute the facts, so you attempt to discredit by using an avoidment tactic asnd in the process never actually dispute what was said, because you kow it's a fact.

What now?
I am disappointing you with the lack of trenchant substantive analysis in my throwaway jokes now?

BigChiefFan
08-05-2008, 08:06 AM
I practiced Santa too until the kids were about 6 and capable of understanding that their parents were the ones providing the gifts because we love them and not some mystical figure who they'd been lied to about.

We thought they should be taught early the value of their parents providing them gifts out of love just as they are provided a home and security. NO ONE out side our family is going to GIVE them a damn thing and they have no right to expect them to. They must work for anything they get outside our home. Inside our four walls it's given to them because they are ours and we love them...

no Santa can or will do that for them.
Santa Claus is evil and the Obama's are the worst parents in the world for not giving toys to their children on their birthday-where's the DHS when you need them? Don't they care?


Jesus, your argument is ****ing sick.

memyselfI
08-05-2008, 08:07 AM
Santa Claus is evil and the Obama's are the worst parents in the world for not giving toys to their children on their birthday-where's the DHS when you need them? Don't they care?


Jesus, your argument is ****ing sick.

Actually, the sick one would be you because you cannot read but also see things that are not there. :doh!: ROFL

BigChiefFan
08-05-2008, 08:14 AM
Actually, the sick one would be you because you cannot read but also see things that are not there. :doh!: ROFLNo, I see it, again the Obama's are evil because they don't give their children presents on their birthday. Evil, I tell you.

Actually it's YOU that connects imaginary dots and draws false conclusions based on YOUR opinion. An opinion, that states the Obama's are weird parents because they celebrate Christmas with Santa Claus.

memyselfI
08-05-2008, 09:51 AM
No, I see it, again the Obama's are evil because they don't give their children presents on their birthday. Evil, I tell you.

Actually it's YOU that connects imaginary dots and draws false conclusions based on YOUR opinion. An opinion, that states the Obama's are weird parents because they celebrate Christmas with Santa Claus.

Oh man, you have comprehension issues. No wonder NObama appeals to you.:doh!:

BigChiefFan
08-05-2008, 10:22 AM
Oh man, you have comprehension issues. No wonder NObama appeals to you.:doh!:

You backed yourself in a corner, now you want to paint me as the uninformed opinionated one. Sorry, but you made your own bed, now it's time to lie in it. You acted as if Obama is a kook because his family celebrates Christamas with Santa Claus-now you realize that millions also do the same, so you tried to paint me as the bad guy, sorry, you said some dumb shit and know you must own it.

dirk digler
08-05-2008, 11:08 AM
Excuse me, I don't recall saying they are BAD parents. I said what they are doing, rather not doing, for their children is weird and I don't agree with it. Especially the part of getting presents from Santa, otherwise known as a fraud on humanity, but not from those responsible for their life. Are the gifts from Santa a way to 'celebrate' Christmas? Like other Christians, perhaps? Why Santa?

IOW, it's ok for them to get presents from an entity that their parents have lied to about the existence of but not from them? Certainly I am not the only person finding this to be a curious way of 'teaching' values.

Teaching limits is great. I just find using their birthday to be an odd choice for a day to teach those limits. Your birthday is the only day that is unique to you. Thus, that should be the one day that 'limits' are modified, IMO. In MOST people's opinion.

Maybe you missed the part where they spend hundreds on slumber parties. They would rather do that then buy frivolous toys. I applaud them for doing that because I spoil my only child.

memyselfI
08-05-2008, 02:48 PM
You backed yourself in a corner, now you want to paint me as the uninformed opinionated one. Sorry, but you made your own bed, now it's time to lie in it. You acted as if Obama is a kook because his family celebrates Christamas with Santa Claus-now you realize that millions also do the same, so you tried to paint me as the bad guy, sorry, you said some dumb shit and know you must own it.

Actually, my beef was that he says he's teaching his kids virtues by lying to them about something that he withholds giving them himself.

Programmer
08-05-2008, 03:04 PM
Oh man, you have comprehension issues. No wonder NObama appeals to you.:doh!:

So, you are voting for McCain?

memyselfI
08-05-2008, 03:23 PM
So, you are voting for McCain?

Nope.

memyselfI
08-05-2008, 03:24 PM
Maybe you missed the part where they spend hundreds on slumber parties. They would rather do that then buy frivolous toys. I applaud them for doing that because I spoil my only child.

I love this either/or mentality. Either you do not give your kids gifts and teach them a lesson or you spoil them rotten with toys.

Trust me, the majority of folks know there is a vast area between spoiling your kid rotten and trying to teach them a lesson via deprivation.

Bowser
08-05-2008, 03:30 PM
I heard one of Obama's kids didn't flush after taking a dump at a Steak and Shake. I'm voting for McCain.

dirk digler
08-05-2008, 03:31 PM
I love this either/or mentality. Either you do not give your kids gifts and teach them a lesson or you spoil them rotten with toys.

Trust me, the majority of folks know there is a vast area between spoiling your kid rotten and trying to teach them a lesson via deprivation.

No I agree with you that you can have moderation but I think it is commendable that they choose not to buy alot of gifts especially since they are some what wealthy. In today's age all you see and hear about it is spoiled rich kids and just listening to them talk you can tell they aren't.

They should be applauded not ridiculed Denise.

memyselfI
08-05-2008, 03:39 PM
No I agree with you that you can have moderation but I think it is commendable that they choose not to buy alot of gifts especially since they are some what wealthy. In today's age all you see and hear about it is spoiled rich kids and just listening to them talk you can tell they aren't.

They should be applauded not ridiculed Denise.

Right but they are not teaching moderation with their 'lack of spoiling' their kids. They are spending 'hundreds' on parties so the point is they will spend money on the kids they just don't wish to give them things from their parents relying instead on a fictional figure to provide gifts.

My point is that kids do not expect the world as gifts. If they do then they are not the problem but THE PARENT IS. They ARE spending the money but pretending they are not above spoiling their kids.

VAChief
08-05-2008, 03:43 PM
So, you are voting for McCain?

No, he has a penis.

dirk digler
08-05-2008, 03:49 PM
Right but they are not teaching moderation with their 'lack of spoiling' their kids. They are spending 'hundreds' on parties so the point is they will spend money on the kids they just don't wish to give them things from their parents relying instead on a fictional figure to provide gifts.

My point is that kids do not expect the world as gifts. If they do then they are not the problem but THE PARENT IS. They ARE spending the money but pretending they are not above spoiling their kids.

Spending hundreds on a slumber party and spending hundreds on gifts is a huge difference IMO because kids don't keep score with the cost of slumber parties but they did with ipods, cell phones, psp, nintendo ds's, barbies etc. That is what spoils kids. I know this firsthand since my daughter is going to a semi big school now and you are not considered cool or hip if you don't have the latest and the greatest. I told her who cares what they think but kids today use toys and gifts as some kind of measuring stick.

Also at least one of their kids is still very young so using Santa Claus is still very acceptable. I am sure that the 10 year old doesn't believe in SC and my daughter is 14 and I still get her 1-2 gifts from "SC" just because it is fun.

memyselfI
08-05-2008, 04:04 PM
Spending hundreds on a slumber party and spending hundreds on gifts is a huge difference IMO because kids don't keep score with the cost of slumber parties but they did with ipods, cell phones, psp, nintendo ds's, barbies etc. That is what spoils kids. I know this firsthand since my daughter is going to a semi big school now and you are not considered cool or hip if you don't have the latest and the greatest. I told her who cares what they think but kids today use toys and gifts as some kind of measuring stick.

Also at least one of their kids is still very young so using Santa Claus is still very acceptable. I am sure that the 10 year old doesn't believe in SC and my daughter is 14 and I still get her 1-2 gifts from "SC" just because it is fun.

You cannot be serious. Parties these days are out of control one upsmanship. It's not just cake and ice cream and sleeping on the basement floor anymore. It's about going some place and/or doing something other than eating cake and ice cream and sleeping over.

Saying you are not spoiling your kids by spending hundreds on their birthday while refusing to give them even a personal token gift is ridiculous.

BigChiefFan
08-05-2008, 04:17 PM
Santa Claus is bad, but gifts are good, m'kay?

memyselfI
08-05-2008, 04:32 PM
Santa Claus is bad, but gifts are good, m'kay?

Lying is bad. Santa is a lie. It may be done for good reasons or bad but it is inherently a lie. Giving, as in gifts or love, is good.

The giving part is not the bad part of the whole Santa lie. The lie is. To then teach your kids about sacrifice based on the lie is an odd way of teaching a lesson.

Baby Lee
08-05-2008, 05:15 PM
Spending hundreds on a slumber party and spending hundreds on gifts is a huge difference IMO because kids don't keep score with the cost of slumber parties but they did with ipods, cell phones, psp, nintendo ds's, barbies etc. That is what spoils kids. I know this firsthand since my daughter is going to a semi big school now and you are not considered cool or hip if you don't have the latest and the greatest. I told her who cares what they think but kids today use toys and gifts as some kind of measuring stick.

Also at least one of their kids is still very young so using Santa Claus is still very acceptable. I am sure that the 10 year old doesn't believe in SC and my daughter is 14 and I still get her 1-2 gifts from "SC" just because it is fun.

Someone's never been bored enough to watch My Super Sweet 16.

dirk digler
08-05-2008, 05:18 PM
You cannot be serious. Parties these days are out of control one upsmanship. It's not just cake and ice cream and sleeping on the basement floor anymore. It's about going some place and/or doing something other than eating cake and ice cream and sleeping over.

Saying you are not spoiling your kids by spending hundreds on their birthday while refusing to give them even a personal token gift is ridiculous.

I honestly don't know if they are having a party like BL's My Super Sweet 16 party. :)

I doubt they would for kids at age 7 and 10 I could be wrong though.

I spend a few hundred dollars on my daughters parties because I take her and a couple of friends to an indoor water park since her BD is in Dec plus food and a couple of gifts. It usually rounds out to $200-300.

BucEyedPea
08-05-2008, 05:25 PM
Lying is bad. Santa is a lie. It may be done for good reasons or bad but it is inherently a lie. Giving, as in gifts or love, is good.

The giving part is not the bad part of the whole Santa lie. The lie is. To then teach your kids about sacrifice based on the lie is an odd way of teaching a lesson.

meme, parenthood is all about being a compulsive liar.