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beach tribe
08-04-2008, 04:54 PM
Who else thinks this spread option guy is gonna take Jason Campbell's job

Mecca
08-04-2008, 04:55 PM
I wouldn't be surprised, I'm not a fan of Campbell.

It's obviously just 1 game but Brennan has always been one of those guys who has an it factor about him.

kepp
08-04-2008, 04:56 PM
He was definitely playing good last night. Given some time to learn the offense and who knows.

smittysbar
08-04-2008, 04:57 PM
I bet it won't take to long

sedated
08-04-2008, 04:59 PM
he looked incredible in that 1st preseason game.

after that picture-perfect first throw, I was wishing the Chiefs had gotten him.

I caught myself watching 3rd quarter of the preseason game just to see him play.

beach tribe
08-04-2008, 04:59 PM
I think he's one of the guys that got shorted because of his system, and his release.

Valiant
08-04-2008, 05:01 PM
I thought are experts were on here saying the spread offense system QB's do not translate into NFL QBs??

Deberg_1990
08-04-2008, 05:02 PM
Wow, I cant believe people still get "Wowed" by preseason performances. Mecca, you should know better.

ChiefGator
08-04-2008, 05:02 PM
He's a system QB. Nothing more.

I love those comments. Absolutely love them. I make them in jest all the time, in fact.

I really don't know much about Colt, but any QB who can play successfully in a system would make me think you could build a system around him to make him successful.

Mecca
08-04-2008, 05:02 PM
Well that is a bit different, June Jones was an NFL coach and they mostly threw the ball it wasn't like he was out there running the option every play.

Fruit Ninja
08-04-2008, 05:04 PM
I wouldn't be surprised, I'm not a fan of Campbell.

It's obviously just 1 game but Brennan has always been one of those guys who has an it factor about him.

I remember me and you talking about Colt during the NCAA season. I always said this guy can play in the NFL. He had a damned fine game lastnight. Its obviously only preseason and against scrubs, but you gotta start somewhere.

BigVE
08-04-2008, 05:04 PM
The kid looked very good...in the FIRST pre-season game against 2nd and 3rd stringers. Let's let Campbell, who went 5 for 5 and no Int's keep his job for now folks. Colt is still the 3rd stringer thus far and I doubt he goes up the roster much unless someone gets hurt.

Fruit Ninja
08-04-2008, 05:04 PM
Wow, I cant believe people still get "Wowed" by preseason performances.

Where else do you start? isnt this the point of preseason? to see if the guy can play or not?

Mecca
08-04-2008, 05:06 PM
The Skins are in major flux anyway. they drafted 2 new WR's who are much different than the 2 starters right now....so that offense is about to get a major overhaul.

Thig Lyfe
08-04-2008, 05:06 PM
Carl should trade some draft picks for him!!!

Deberg_1990
08-04-2008, 05:07 PM
Where else do you start? isnt this the point of preseason? to see if the guy can play or not?


People just have a tendancy to over react and read into things after meaningless preseason games.


Ted White is our QBoTF!!!

Mecca
08-04-2008, 05:09 PM
People just have a tendancy to over react and read into things after meaningless preseason games.


Ted White is our QBoTF!!!

We're gonna see alot of this because we likely won't see any QB on our roster look good at any point.

Fruit Ninja
08-04-2008, 05:09 PM
People just have a tendancy to over react and read into things after meaningless preseason games.


Ted White is our QBoTF!!!

For Colt this is and never will be meaningless. This was HUGE for him. Whether he can be consistent is another thing. He has next weeks game to duplicate it again. If he can, you best beleive they will be taking a deeper look to move him up the charts.

BWillie
08-04-2008, 05:10 PM
Colt Brennan sucks, will continue to suck, and rapes women. Campbell will be the starter opening day. I will bet $2500 casino cash that Brennan does not start first game of the season.

Crashride
08-04-2008, 05:11 PM
One day this thread will re-surface when Brennan is dominating.

Mecca
08-04-2008, 05:12 PM
Colt Brennan sucks, will continue to suck, and rapes women. Campbell will be the starter opening day. I will bet $2500 casino cash that Brennan does not start first game of the season.

Way to go out on a limb there...

Deberg_1990
08-04-2008, 05:12 PM
We're gonna see alot of this because we likely won't see any QB on our roster look good at any point.


Its already started...


"For one glorious August night, that absolutely dreamy QB Brodie Croyle looked like a future Hall of Famer"

Mecca
08-04-2008, 05:13 PM
Its already started...


"For one glorious August night, that absolutely dreamy QB Brodie Croyle looked like a future Hall of Famer"

I'm pretty convinced that there are dudes that post on this board that could go out there in a yellow jersey and shorts and look pretty good completing passes.

chiefs1111
08-04-2008, 05:15 PM
He did look pretty good last night. I think he will start for them at some point,Im not sure if it will be this season though but you never know with the way injuries can be.

chiefs1111
08-04-2008, 05:15 PM
Todd Collins did not look very good last night though.

Deberg_1990
08-04-2008, 05:16 PM
I'm pretty convinced that there are dudes that post on this board that could go out there in a yellow jersey and shorts and look pretty good completing passes.


People have a hard time comprehending there is a HUGE difference between throwing passes in August and Sept-Jan.

For one, id say that 99% of the veterans (the ones whose jobs are safe) could give two sh*ts about preseason games. The only concern is to not get hurt.

BWillie
08-04-2008, 05:22 PM
Way to go out on a limb there...

That's why I threw it out there. Sometimes dumbasses will take me up on a bet like that.

Micjones
08-04-2008, 05:24 PM
For one, id say that 99% of the veterans (the ones whose jobs are safe) could give two sh*ts about preseason games. The only concern is to not get hurt.

And to do that you have to go full speed.
Does Brennan's performance last night amount to much?
Probably not. He didn't post those numbers against a First or even Second string defense.

But it does have SOME value.

Chiefnj2
08-04-2008, 05:31 PM
Colts pass over the middle gets picked against 1st stringers and this conversation isn't happening.

None of this changes the fact that KC should have taken a QB somewhere in the draft and KC should have at least another young QB in camp taking some reps.

SPATCH
08-04-2008, 05:34 PM
Colts pass over the middle gets picked against 1st stringers and this conversation isn't happening.

None of this changes the fact that KC should have taken a QB somewhere in the draft and KC should have at least another young QB in camp taking some reps.

i wholeheartedly disagree

Mecca
08-04-2008, 05:36 PM
i wholeheartedly disagree

Because you know Tyler Thigpen and Brodie Croyle have done enough to not have any comp as 1 and 2 right...

DaKCMan AP
08-04-2008, 05:39 PM
People who complain about Brodie Croyle's size shouldn't want Colt Brennan.

He performed well against the 3rd stringers in the first preseason game of the year. Whoop-dee-****ing-doo.

Dicky McElephant
08-04-2008, 05:39 PM
Colts pass over the middle gets picked against 1st stringers and this conversation isn't happening.

None of this changes the fact that KC should have taken a QB somewhere in the draft and KC should have at least another young QB in camp taking some reps.

What QB would you have taken and where?

Ainge, Erik Pick 27, Round 5(162) New York Jets

Booty, John David Pick 2, Round 5(137) Minnesota Vikings

Brennan, Colt Pick 20, Round 6(186) Washington Redskins

Brink, Alex Pick 16, Round 7(223) Houston Texans

Brohm, Brian Pick 25, Round 2(56) Green Bay Packers

Dixon, Dennis Pick 21, Round 5(156) Pittsburgh Steelers

Flacco, Joe Pick 18, Round 1(18) Baltimore Ravens

Flynn, Matt Pick 2, Round 7(209) Green Bay Packers

Henne, Chad Pick 26, Round 2(57) Miami Dolphins

Johnson, Josh Pick 25, Round 5(160) Tampa Bay Buccaneers

O'Connell, Kevin Pick 31, Round 3(94) New England Patriots

Ryan, Matt Pick 3, Round 1(3) Atlanta Falcons

Woodson, Andre' Pick 32, Round 6(198) New York Giants

Pasta Giant Meatball
08-04-2008, 05:41 PM
People who complain about Brodie Croyle's size shouldn't want Colt Brennan.

He performed well against the 3rd stringers in the first preseason game of the year. Whoop-dee-****ing-doo.

The funny thing is if Brodie played like that people would be saying it is only preseason and that performance is meaningless. You can guarentee that.

Mecca
08-04-2008, 05:41 PM
What QB would you have taken and where?

In fairness here Brennan and Woodson both fell into the 6th round it isn't like you would have had to use a high pick on either of these guys at that point either one would have been a good pick..

HolmeZz
08-04-2008, 05:42 PM
Uh, wasn't Campbell 5/5 with a TD last night?

Mecca
08-04-2008, 05:42 PM
The funny thing is if Brodie played like that people would be saying it is only preseason and that performance is meaningless. You can guarentee that.

I haven't even seen Croyle play that well in preseason, remember last preseason he was brutal.

Chiefnj2
08-04-2008, 05:43 PM
What QB would you have taken and where?

Entering the draft I would have taken Brohm in the 2nd.

If the team passed on Brohm I would have jumped on Woodson in the 6th.

jAZ
08-04-2008, 05:44 PM
I think the Redskins and Peter King think by season's end you might look foolish for starting this thread.

I have no idea, but King was on Dan Patrick and both he and Dan were drooling over how good Campbell is doing with the new simplified offense.

Here's King's column on the topic:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/peter_king/08/03/mmqb/1.html

Friday, July 25, Washington Redskins camp

ASHBURN, Va. -- Some teams you watch and you say: This team is better than people think. The Redskins are one of those teams.

Now, I caution you -- I watched only one practice. But they're responding to Jim Zorn, whose offense is better for Jason Campbell than the encyclopedic one devised by Al Saunders. Campbell looked terrific, accurate and sure of himself. His weapons, assuming the rookie receivers can stay healthy, will be as good as any offensive skill-player set in the division.

And here's a bit more on Campbell, and how Zorn could screw it up if he's not careful.

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/columnists/rgosselin/stories/080308dnspogosselin.3ae61ae.html

Campbell will be main focus of new Redskins coach Zorn

01:19 AM CDT on Sunday, August 3, 2008

Washington Redskins quarterback Jason Campbell is learning his seventh offensive system in eight years.

Campbell had four offensive coordinators in his four college seasons at Auburn. When he arrived in Washington as a first-round draft pick in 2005, he had to learn the Joe Gibbs power-running offense.

Gibbs hired Al Saunders as coordinator in 2006, and Campbell had to learn the pass-happy offense that thrived in St. Louis and Kansas City. When Campbell finally spent spend two years in the same system, he began emerging in 2007.

Campbell completed 60 percent of his passes with a career-high 12 touchdowns. He threw for three TDs in a game against Philadelphia and 348 yards against the Cowboys.

But now Gibbs and Saunders are gone and Jim Zorn replaces both. He's the new head coach of the Redskins and will call his own plays. Zorn is implementing the West Coast offense this summer and has decided to coach Campbell himself.

I understand Zorn's logic. Seven offenses in eight seasons must have Campbell's head spinning.

"A lot of people have made the statement, 'How does Jason feel about being coached by so many different coaches and hearing so many different voices?' " Zorn said. "I want to be the one voice he hears as the quarterback coach, as the head coach, as the guy who gives him the instructions."

That should certainly streamline the process. Campbell is a talented, young quarterback, and Zorn feels he's in the best position to accelerate his learning curve. Zorn was an accomplished quarterback at Seattle and spent the last seven seasons as quarterback coach of the Seahawks.

So who can blame Zorn for wanting to be hands-on with the position? The quicker Campbell develops into a Pro Bowl quarterback, the more the Redskins will win and the greater job security Zorn will have in an organization that historically has not shown much patience with head coaches. Zorn is the fifth head coach in Dan Snyder's nine-year tenure as owner.

But this is the pitfall of so many first-time head coaches they try to do too much.

Zorn has never been a head coach at any level in his 20 years on a football sideline. So he faces his own learning curve. Zorn has never called his own plays in his 11 years as an NFL assistant. So he faces another learning curve. Both are full-time jobs. Now he's adding a third full-time job as the quarterback coach. But that's his comfort zone.

"It's what I've done well in my mind over the years," Zorn said. "I think it's necessary for me to do this right now."

The defending Super Bowl champion New York Giants have three men doing what Zorn is trying to do Tom Coughlin as head coach, Kevin Gilbride play-caller and Chris Palmer quarterback coach.

The Cowboys also have three coaches serving in those capacities Wade Phillips (head coach), Jason Garrett (play-caller) and Wade Wilson (quarterbacks).

Maybe Zorn can pull it off. Inevitably, though, when a person tries to do two jobs at the same time, two jobs get shortchanged. When a person tries to do three jobs at the same time, three jobs get shortchanged. My guess is there will be another assistant coach or two on the Washington staff in 2009.

Pasta Giant Meatball
08-04-2008, 05:44 PM
I haven't even seen Croyle play that well in preseason, remember last preseason he was brutal.

True, which is why i said IF.

Dicky McElephant
08-04-2008, 05:47 PM
Entering the draft I would have taken Brohm in the 2nd.

If the team passed on Brohm I would have jumped on Woodson in the 6th.

Well that means no Brandon Flowers.

Chiefnj2
08-04-2008, 05:48 PM
Well that means no Brandon Flowers.

Correct. I have nothing against Flowers, I think he'll be a good player and I think he was a good value pick - it's just that if I am rebuilding a football team I'm going to make sure I try to cover QB first and OL second.

OnTheWarpath58
08-04-2008, 05:50 PM
People who complain about Brodie Croyle's size shouldn't want Colt Brennan.

He performed well against the 3rd stringers in the first preseason game of the year. Whoop-dee-****ing-doo.

No kidding.

Almost identical in size, similar rash of injuries, then add in the off the field red flags - but throw 2 TD's against the Colts 3rd string defense and people are already making him out to be Johnny ****ing Unitas...

Mecca
08-04-2008, 05:52 PM
6th round pick 3rd round pick......if they had used a high pick on him I doubt anyone would be saying that, it's about the value of the pick.

Like I said in the game thread Colt Brennan or Kevin Robinson....

Dicky McElephant
08-04-2008, 05:53 PM
Correct. I have nothing against Flowers, I think he'll be a good player and I think he was a good value pick - it's just that if I am rebuilding a football team I'm going to make sure I try to cover QB first and OL second.

I would have maybe been happy with a trade of some of our 3rd round picks to get back into the 2nd round to grab Brohm but I'm more than happy with giving Croyle his shot right now.

Micjones
08-04-2008, 05:56 PM
People who complain about Brodie Croyle's size shouldn't want Colt Brennan.

He performed well against the 3rd stringers in the first preseason game of the year. Whoop-dee-****ing-doo.

You're right. It's better to suck in your pre-season performances.
Like your boy Croyle did.

the Talking Can
08-04-2008, 06:09 PM
What QB would you have taken and where?

Ainge, Erik Pick 27, Round 5(162) New York Jets

Booty, John David Pick 2, Round 5(137) Minnesota Vikings

Brennan, Colt Pick 20, Round 6(186) Washington Redskins

Brink, Alex Pick 16, Round 7(223) Houston Texans

Brohm, Brian Pick 25, Round 2(56) Green Bay Packers

Dixon, Dennis Pick 21, Round 5(156) Pittsburgh Steelers

Flacco, Joe Pick 18, Round 1(18) Baltimore Ravens

Flynn, Matt Pick 2, Round 7(209) Green Bay Packers

Henne, Chad Pick 26, Round 2(57) Miami Dolphins

Johnson, Josh Pick 25, Round 5(160) Tampa Bay Buccaneers

O'Connell, Kevin Pick 31, Round 3(94) New England Patriots

Ryan, Matt Pick 3, Round 1(3) Atlanta Falcons

Woodson, Andre' Pick 32, Round 6(198) New York Giants


hypothetically, Ainge....he has the tools to be a good west coast-ish QB...his accuracy was excellent....


but i hate the west coast and its retarded cousin swing pass/butt plug offense....so...

Fruit Ninja
08-04-2008, 06:37 PM
No kidding.

Almost identical in size, similar rash of injuries, then add in the off the field red flags - but throw 2 TD's against the Colts 3rd string defense and people are already making him out to be Johnny ****ing Unitas...

Who the **** said he was Johnny U or even close to him? I just hear people saying that he could be a decent NFL quarterback. So if Johnny U was a decent QB, then maybe they were making him out to be that.

Again, you have to make plays somewhere. He had to make chicken salad out of chicken shit and he did that. I love that Printers quote.

No one is saying he is a hall of fame quarterback. He had a good preseason debut and good for him. Hopefully he can carry that into the other preseason games and impress enough to maybe move into the starting spot on some football time in the near future.

splatbass
08-04-2008, 09:15 PM
then add in the off the field red flags -

What off the field red flags? He had the incident in Colorado early in his college career, but from the time he came to Hawaii to today he has been a model citizen. He learned from his mistake and grew up. He is loved in Hawaii, not just for his on field production, but also for the off field. Believe me, the young Colt that got into trouble is long gone.

Mecca
08-04-2008, 09:19 PM
What off the field red flags? He had the incident in Colorado early in his college career, but from the time he came to Hawaii to today he has been a model citizen. He learned from his mistake and grew up. He is loved in Hawaii, not just for his on field production, but also for the off field. Believe me, the young Colt that got into trouble is long gone.

Perception...even though that was years ago people will consider it a flag...

Not to mention I read that GM's didn't like his cocky attitude in interviews which is funny. If he had been considered a top tier prospect they'd have all said they loved his confidence, but since he wasn't he was "to cocky" it's all about perception.

Coach
08-04-2008, 09:25 PM
Not sure I totally understand why you don't like Campbell, Mecca.....

KCCHIEFS27
08-04-2008, 09:26 PM
There is no way Colt Brennan beats out Campbell this year...the only reason Brennan will play is if Campbell gets injured, that's it. How well has Alex Smith handled the switch from spread offense to a more west coast style? Not very well..

Coach
08-04-2008, 09:27 PM
And I like Brennan, but I still think he's a project that still need some work.

splatbass
08-04-2008, 09:28 PM
Perception...even though that was years ago people will consider it a flag...



Especially when they are looking for reasons not to like him.

leviw
08-04-2008, 09:30 PM
There is no way Colt Brennan beats out Campbell this year...the only reason Brennan will play is if Campbell gets injured, that's it. How well has Alex Smith handled the switch from spread offense to a more west coast style? Not very well..

Every NFL coach better start implementing some type of spread offense to suite these QBs, otherwise, the way college football is headed, there won't be but a handful of them who have run anything but a spread offense in college.

Mecca
08-04-2008, 09:34 PM
Not sure I totally understand why you don't like Campbell, Mecca.....

I don't see it with him, I just don't....

He has good "natural" physical skills I mean you look at the guy and see size and athletic skills. I see why some people and teams would like him he's big, he can move, he has a pretty good arm.

To me though he's still the same guy who had 1 good college season, who was for the most part wildly inconsistent with his throws who would throw into coverages and all that.

He's also about the most non vocal player I've ever seen which I don't like from the most important position on the field, all in all I don't think he ever has or ever will play to his physical gifts that people look at and like.

Mecca
08-04-2008, 09:35 PM
Every NFL coach better start implementing some type of spread offense to suite these QBs, otherwise, the way college football is headed, there won't be but a handful of them who have run anything but a spread offense in college.

That offense is going to hurt the development of offensive players for the NFL game across the board.

Phobia
08-04-2008, 09:35 PM
Well that is a bit different, June Jones was an NFL coach and they mostly threw the ball it wasn't like he was out there running the option every play.

June Jones was a really bad NFL coach. Enough said.

Mecca
08-04-2008, 09:38 PM
June Jones was a really bad NFL coach. Enough said.

It's still higher on the chain than say Gary Pinkel or Urban Meyer.

leviw
08-04-2008, 09:38 PM
That offense is going to hurt the development of offensive players for the NFL game across the board.

Agreed. It will hurt their development for TODAY'S game. I don't think NFL teams will have any choice but to start designing offenses to suite these spread quarterbacks. There will be some tough adjustments either way.

Mecca
08-04-2008, 09:40 PM
Agreed. It will hurt their development for TODAY'S game. I don't think NFL teams will have any choice but to start designing offenses to suite these spread quarterbacks. There will be some tough adjustments either way.

That offense won't work at the NFL level.....aspects of it will, NE used some aspects of it at times.

But you can't stand in a shotgun every single play in the NFL. In college you will see an elite level pass rusher maybe once a year, in the NFL you may see 1 every week some teams have more than 1, all the QB's would get lit up, and you best believe those WR's and the routes in that scheme would get destroyed by LB's when they crossed into the middle..

It's just like the old option, it's a college scheme that the athletes in the NFL would never allow to work, it would lead to major injuries more than anything.

Coach
08-04-2008, 09:41 PM
I don't see it with him, I just don't....

He has good "natural" physical skills I mean you look at the guy and see size and athletic skills. I see why some people and teams would like him he's big, he can move, he has a pretty good arm.

To me though he's still the same guy who had 1 good college season, who was for the most part wildly inconsistent with his throws who would throw into coverages and all that.

He's also about the most non vocal player I've ever seen which I don't like from the most important position on the field, all in all I don't think he ever has or ever will play to his physical gifts that people look at and like.

While he did have one good college season, that was under the West Coast Offense in Auburn during his Sr. year where he (still does for now) owns a Auburn career record for completion percentage at 64.6%.

To be fair though, let's say you're a QB for a team, and you have to go through 3 different offensive coordinators in 4 years. That means you have to releard the terminology of the offense like in every season, for the most part. Plus add that to the timing with the QB's/WR's on the offensive scheme that they were implementing. It's not like Madden 08' where you can just throw a QB and a WR on a WCO playbook and they lead the league in total yards, TD's, etc and then just do a complete 180 and implement the Don Coryell offense and expect the same results. Doesn't work that way.

What I see in Campbell is that his numbers has improved from his 2nd year to his 3rd year. Granted, his TD/INT ratio needs some work, but his completion % did go up. The big thing for Campbell is that he needs to stay healthy and consistent.

Deberg_1990
08-04-2008, 09:41 PM
I don't see it with him, I just don't....

He has good "natural" physical skills I mean you look at the guy and see size and athletic skills. I see why some people and teams would like him he's big, he can move, he has a pretty good arm.

To me though he's still the same guy who had 1 good college season, who was for the most part wildly inconsistent with his throws who would throw into coverages and all that.

He's also about the most non vocal player I've ever seen which I don't like from the most important position on the field, all in all I don't think he ever has or ever will play to his physical gifts that people look at and like.

Campbell had some decent games last year. But then he went down and Collins came in and won 3 or 4 critical games down the stretch. I wonder if Campbell would have done the same?

Mecca
08-04-2008, 09:44 PM
While he did have one good college season, that was under the West Coast Offense in Auburn during his Sr. year where he (still does for now) owns a Auburn career record for completion percentage at 64.6%.

To be fair though, let's say you're a QB for a team, and you have to go through 3 different offensive coordinators in 4 years. That means you have to releard the terminology of the offense like in every season, for the most part. Plus add that to the timing with the QB's/WR's on the offensive scheme that they were implementing. It's not like Madden 08' where you can just throw a QB and a WR on a WCO playbook and they lead the league in total yards, TD's, etc and then just do a complete 180 and implement the Don Coryell offense and expect the same results. Doesn't work that way.

What I see in Campbell is that his numbers has improved from his 2nd year to his 3rd year. Granted, his TD/INT ratio needs some work, but his completion % did go up. The big thing for Campbell is that he needs to stay healthy and consistent.

Ok let me ask you a question then...why is it Matt Leinart who has had 2 head coaches and 3 OC's in 3 years and was a much much better college player in every way does not get this free pass?

If you bring him up people go "bust" but why is Campbell not then they're essentially going through the same things?

I think they both need more time obviously but I like Leinarts personality better for the position I don't like non vocal QB's.

leviw
08-04-2008, 09:48 PM
That offense won't work at the NFL level.....aspects of it will, NE used some aspects of it at times.

But you can't stand in a shotgun every single play in the NFL. In college you will see an elite level pass rusher maybe once a year, in the NFL you may see 1 every week some teams have more than 1, all the QB's would get lit up, and you best believe those WR's and the routes in that scheme would get destroyed by LB's when they crossed into the middle..

It's just like the old option, it's a college scheme that the athletes in the NFL would never allow to work, it would lead to major injuries more than anything.

Of course it won't work. There will have to be a lot of variation. My point is that NFL teams won't be able to continue to throw top-pick money at QBs who run a spread offense and then turn around and force these guys to learn a west coast offense. It doesn't translate well for most.

The New England offense, as you mentioned, will be the wave of the future when it comes to NFL offenses. One, because it's successful. Two, because it's a copy cat league. And three, because the NFL will have to adjust to the top college quarterbacks, most of which will almost inevitably come from a spread offense.

Coach
08-04-2008, 09:51 PM
Ok let me ask you a question then...why is it Matt Leinart who has had 2 head coaches and 3 OC's in 3 years and was a much much better college player in every way does not get this free pass?

If you bring him up people go "bust" but why is Campbell not then they're essentially going through the same things?

I think they both need more time obviously but I like Leinarts personality better for the position I don't like non vocal QB's.

Matt Leinart hasn't shown anybody anything yet up to this point. Leinart also has been playing very poorly where the Cardinals were alternating him with Kurt Warner. Didn't help his case when he got injured.

In Leinart's 2nd season with Arizona, he started 5 games and completed 53.6% of his passes (60/112) and threw for 647 yards, 5.8 yards per attempt, 2 touchdowns, and 4 interceptions. His passer rating was 61.9. He averaged 129 yards and 0.4 touchdowns per start.

Kurt Warner, who started the final 11 games, threw 27 touchdowns and 17 interceptions and rushed for another touchdown, completed 62.3% of his passes (281/451), and threw for 3,417 yards. His yards per attempt was 7.6, and his passer rating was 89.8.

I should also point out that you were the one that said that teams loves tall players with a big arm, or the "natural" physical skills. I just don't see that in Leinart at all.

Campbell > Leinart up to this point. And there have been some QB's who aren't vocal who won games just fine. You don't have to be totally "vocal" just to lead a team. You can lead a team by example.

Mecca
08-04-2008, 09:53 PM
I'm sure that didn't have anything to do with getting a new head coach who wanted him to do everything completely different.

Coach
08-04-2008, 09:57 PM
Here's player A's statistic.

17 Games
71.2 QB Rating
489 Attempts
274 Completions
56.0 Completion %
3194 Yards
13 TD's
16 INT's

Player B:
20 Games
77.3 QB Rating
360 Completions
624 Attempts
57.7 Completion %
3,997 Yards
22 TD's
17 INT's

Coach
08-04-2008, 09:59 PM
I'm sure that didn't have anything to do with getting a new head coach who wanted him to do everything completely different.

Well, this is year 2 with Ken Weisenhunt. Campbell is in year 1 with Zorn. There's a difference there.

Mecca
08-04-2008, 09:59 PM
That isn't really that different when you take other factors into account like the Redskins are you know a better team....

Neither guy is exactly setting the world on fire.

Mecca
08-04-2008, 10:01 PM
Well, this is year 2 with Ken Weisenhunt. Campbell is in year 1 with Zorn. There's a difference there.

Of course if I wanted to play a weird edge to this what if I said, look how well Collins played last year, what if Joe Gibbs thought it would be a great idea to split him and Campbell during games...

That was a obviously stupid idea by Whisenhunt but to each their own.

Fruit Ninja
08-04-2008, 10:03 PM
Well, this is Matt's 3rd year. He's going to have to show up. I think he has a decent line now. He has a good RB and 2 good WR's. No excuses not to be at least contending for a wild card.

Coach
08-04-2008, 10:13 PM
Of course if I wanted to play a weird edge to this what if I said, look how well Collins played last year, what if Joe Gibbs thought it would be a great idea to split him and Campbell during games...

That was a obviously stupid idea by Whisenhunt but to each their own.

Eh, Collins just had a lighting in a bottle moment. Just like Huard had his when Trent went down. I'm sure you remember that, then the following season that he just completely stunk up the joint badly.

Collins didn't looks too hot in his first pre-season game. Although, it is just pre-season, Collins isn't getting any younger, so if Washington was smart, they'd get most of the reps to Brennen, IMHO.

But IIRC, wasn't Leinart drafted by Denny Green and not Whisenhut?

ilovemichaelsettle
08-05-2008, 12:03 AM
well watching him was awesome, he is a great potential to discover, he truly brings one hell of a game to the field and makes all of his plays look so simple, and he enjoys playing for fun, not money:)

Spicy McHaggis
08-05-2008, 12:25 AM
How many Georgia Bulldogs were on the field for the Colts?

DaKCMan AP
08-05-2008, 07:22 AM
I don't see it with him, I just don't....

He has good "natural" physical skills I mean you look at the guy and see size and athletic skills. I see why some people and teams would like him he's big, he can move, he has a pretty good arm.

To me though he's still the same guy who had 1 good college season, who was for the most part wildly inconsistent with his throws who would throw into coverages and all that.

He's also about the most non vocal player I've ever seen which I don't like from the most important position on the field, all in all I don't think he ever has or ever will play to his physical gifts that people look at and like.

Carson Palmer was a guy who had 1 good college season.
Matt Ryan was a guy who had 1 good college season.

Jason Campbell did have one good season. Wait, one excellent season, in which he had great run support and led his team to an undefeated season. All of Colt Brennan's production came against garbage competition.

How did Colt do when he had to face real teams?

2008 Sugar Bowl vs Georgia: lost, 169yds, 0 TDs, 3 INTs, 79.4 QB rating
2006 vs Alabama: lost, 2TDs, 1 INT, 97.7 QB rating
2006 vs Oregon State: lost, 2TDs, 2 INTs, 93.8 QB rating
2005 vs USC: lost, 1TD, 1 INT, 86.7 QB rating
2005 vs Mich St.: lost, 2TD, 0 INT, 115 QB rating
2005 vs Wisconsin: lost, 3TD, 1 INT, 96.7 QB rating

For his rating comparisons, his college QB ratings for each year were 155.5 (2005), 186.0 (2006), 159.8 (2007).

Deberg_1990
08-13-2010, 11:19 AM
Bump...Mecca was like a prophet in this thread. ROFL

Ugly Duck
08-13-2010, 01:37 PM
Cable may be making this old controversy come back to life. When asked how Colt Brennan was looking, he replied "He has a knack for completing passes I don't think any other QB on the team has. I'd really like to see more of him the next couple of weeks, see if he levels off."

Red Brooklyn
08-13-2010, 01:42 PM
Cable may be making this old controversy come back to life. When asked how Colt Brennan was looking, he replied "He has a knack for completing passes I don't think any other QB on the team has. I'd really like to see more of him the next couple of weeks, see if he levels off."

Odd, then, that Cable didn't play him. At all.

I only saw the kid play one game in college, but he blew me away. I'll admit I sorta thought maybe he'd be something special. I guess a job evaluating potential NFL talent is not in my future.:)

Mecca
08-13-2010, 02:12 PM
Jason Campbell still is what he is, but for the Raiders it's still a massive upgrade. I still don't think he'll ever be more than an average player.

Mecca
08-13-2010, 02:13 PM
Odd, then, that Cable didn't play him. At all.

I only saw the kid play one game in college, but he blew me away. I'll admit I sorta thought maybe he'd be something special. I guess a job evaluating potential NFL talent is not in my future.:)

Eh 6th round pick, you can take a shot sometimes, hell throwing a 6 at Brennan is a better risk than throwing one at Kevin Robinson or Jake O'Connell.

Deberg_1990
08-13-2010, 02:23 PM
Jason Campbell still is what he is, but for the Raiders it's still a massive upgrade. I still don't think he'll ever be more than an average player.

BTW, just giving you a hard time by bumping this......

My intent was to show the hyperbole that gets thrown around in pre-season every year.

no hard feelings.

Red Brooklyn
08-13-2010, 02:36 PM
Eh 6th round pick, you can take a shot sometimes, hell throwing a 6 at Brennan is a better risk than throwing one at Kevin Robinson or Jake O'Connell.
Word.

Ugly Duck
08-13-2010, 02:57 PM
Odd, then, that Cable didn't play him. At all.

He was only signed like the day before the game. Participated in a training camp scrimmage but doesn't know any of the playbook yet. I find it odd that after one scrimmage Cable would say that he has more of a "knack" for completing passes than the other QBs. Bit of an insult there, I reckon...

Red Brooklyn
08-13-2010, 03:35 PM
He was only signed like the day before the game. Participated in a training camp scrimmage but doesn't know any of the playbook yet. I find it odd that after one scrimmage Cable would say that he has more of a "knack" for completing passes than the other QBs. Bit of an insult there, I reckon...

Maybe he's trying to fire up the other QBs?