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SHTSPRAYER
08-06-2008, 08:15 AM
At every rung of the ladder that this guy puts his foot on, he f*cks somebody over--- and it's usually people who helped him. Let's start with this example of how he eliminated his competition so he could win the legislature seat unchallenged:

In his first race for office, seeking a state Senate seat on Chicago's gritty South Side in 1996, Obama effectively used election rules to eliminate his Democratic competition.

As a community organizer, he had helped register thousands of voters. But when it came time to run for office, he employed Chicago rules to invalidate the voting petition signatures of three of his challengers.


The move denied each of them, including incumbent Alice Palmer, a longtime Chicago activist, a place on the ballot. It cleared the way for Obama to run unopposed on the Democratic ticket in a heavily Democrat district.
"That was Chicago politics," said John Kass, a veteran Chicago Tribune columnist. "Knock out your opposition, challenge their petitions, destroy your enemy, right? It is how Barack Obama destroyed his enemies back in 1996 that conflicts with his message today. He may have gotten his start registering thousands of voters. But in that first race, he made sure voters had just one choice." Watch how Obama shut out challengers in his first race »

Obama's challenge was perfectly legal, said Jay Stewart of the Chicago's Better Government Association. Although records of the challenges are no longer on file for review with the election board, Stewart said Obama is not the only politician to resort to petition challenges to eliminate the competition.

"He came from Chicago politics," Stewart said. "Politics ain't beanbag, as they say in Chicago. You play with your elbows up, and you're pretty tough and ruthless when you have to be. Sen. Obama felt that's what was necessary at the time, that's what he did. Does it fit in with the rhetoric now? Perhaps not."

The Obama campaign called this report "a hit job." It insisted that CNN talk to a state representative who supports Obama, because, according to an Obama spokesman, she would be objective. But when we called her, she said she can't recall details of petition challenges, who engineered them for the Obama campaign or why all the candidates were challenged.

But Will Burns does. Now running himself for a seat in the Illinois legislature, Burns was a young Obama volunteer during the presidential candidate's first race.

Burns was one of the contingents of volunteers and lawyers who had the tedious task of going over each and every petition submitted by the other candidates, including those of Alice Palmer.

"The rules are there for a reason," Burns said.

He said that challenging petitions is a smart way to avoid having to run a full-blown expensive race.

"One of the first things you do whenever you're in the middle of a primary race, especially in primaries in Chicago, because if you don't have signatures to get on the ballot, you save yourself a lot of time and effort from having to raise money and have a full-blown campaign effort against an incumbent," Burns said.

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Burns said he believed that Obama did not enjoy using the tactic to knock off Palmer.

"It was not something he particularly relished," Burns said. "It was not something that I thought he was happy about doing." Watch Burns describe how Obama used the rules to his advantage »

But Obama did it anyway, clearing the field of any real competition.

Obama's staff would not comment on what the senator thinks about that petition challenge now. Instead, they referred CNN to this 2007 comment made by Obama to the Chicago Tribune.

"To my mind, we were just abiding by the rules that had been set up," the senator is quoted as saying in the Tribune. "My conclusion was that if you couldn't run a successful petition drive, then that raised questions in terms of how effective a representative you were going to be."

But in that same newspaper story, Obama praised Palmer.

"I thought she was a good public servant," he said.

Palmer, who has campaigned for Clinton, told CNN that she did not want to be part of this story.

Obama supporters claim that Palmer has only herself to blame because she indicated she would not run for the 1996 state Senate and instead aimed for Congress. After losing in that bid, she returned to running for the state Senate seat, a move Obama supporters claim amounted to reneging on a promise not to run.

But Palmer supporters, who did not want to be identified, said that she never anointed Obama as her successor and that the retelling of the story by Obama supporters is designed to distract from the fact he muscled his way into office.

One other opponent who Obama eliminated by challenging his petitions, Gha-is Askia, said he has no hard feelings today about the challenge and supports Obama's presidential aspirations.

But back at the time he was running for state Senate, Askia said, he was dismayed Obama would use such tactics.

"It wasn't honorable," he said. "I wouldn't have done it."

He said the Obama team challenged every single one of his petitions on "technicalities."

If names were printed instead of signed in cursive writing, they were declared invalid. If signatures were good but the person gathering the signatures wasn't properly registered, those petitions also were thrown out.

Askia came up 69 signatures short of the required number to be on the ballot.

Kass, the Chicago Tribune columnist, said the national media are naive when it comes to Chicago politics, which is a serious business.

He said they have bought into a narrative that Obama is strictly a reformer. The truth, Kass says, is that he is a bare-knuckled politician. And using the rules to win his first office is part of who Obama is.

"It's not the tactics of 'let's all people come together and put your best ideas forward and the best ideas win,' " Kass said. "That's the spin; that's in the Kool-Aid. You can have some. Any flavor. But the real deal was, get rid of Alice Palmer.


"There are those who think that registering people to vote and getting them involved in politics and then using this tactic in terms of denying Alice Palmer the right to compete, that these things are inconsistent. And guess what? They are. They are inconsistent. But that's the politics he plays."

And this weekend, DNC delegates will have to decide what kind of rules it will invoke in helping choose its next candidate.

beer bacon
08-06-2008, 08:19 AM
Damn you Obama for following the rules!

Sully
08-06-2008, 08:28 AM
DAmn rules and personal responsibility!!!!!
When will these lefties stop with all their irresponsible talk of being personally...er...responsible.

SHTSPRAYER
08-06-2008, 08:48 AM
DAmn rules and personal responsibility!!!!!
When will these lefties stop with all their irresponsible talk of being personally...er...responsible.

Stop setting up strawmen, once again this simply a right and wrong issue, and once again you and your candidate fall on the wrong side.

As a community organizer, he had helped register thousands of voters. But when it came time to run for office, he employed Chicago rules to invalidate the voting petition signatures of three of his challengers.


The move denied each of them, including incumbent Alice Palmer, a longtime Chicago activist, a place on the ballot. It cleared the way for Obama to run unopposed on the Democratic ticket in a heavily Democrat district.

noa
08-06-2008, 08:48 AM
That's politics, bitch

SHTSPRAYER
08-06-2008, 08:50 AM
That's politics, bitch

So he really didn't win anything. The job became his by default.

beer bacon
08-06-2008, 08:50 AM
His opponents cheated and got caught. That sounds like a GOP nightmare.

Sully
08-06-2008, 08:54 AM
Stop setting up strawmen, once again this simply a right and wrong issue, and once again you and your candidate fall on the wrong side.

As a community organizer, he had helped register thousands of voters. But when it came time to run for office, he employed Chicago rules to invalidate the voting petition signatures of three of his challengers.


The move denied each of them, including incumbent Alice Palmer, a longtime Chicago activist, a place on the ballot. It cleared the way for Obama to run unopposed on the Democratic ticket in a heavily Democrat district.
WHo's setting up the strawman?
Those others didn't have their petitions done correctly, so they were invalidated. it's not like Senator Obama swooped down and invalidated them without reason. Had they done things correctly, he wouldn't have had the option to do that.

Sully
08-06-2008, 08:55 AM
So he really didn't win anything. The job became his by default.

Yes.
Because his "opponents" couldn't do somethign as simple as compiling petitions correctly. Doesn't sound like they would be very good reps if they can't navigate something that simple.

SHTSPRAYER
08-06-2008, 08:56 AM
The fact is, he ran against no opposition. NONE. That's quite a dubious distinction.

SHTSPRAYER
08-06-2008, 08:57 AM
Doesn't sound like they would be very good reps if they can't navigate something that simple.

Doesn't sound like a guy who betrays his mentor, Alice Palmer, would be a very good rep...

Or a very good person.

Sully
08-06-2008, 08:57 AM
Well, to be fair, at one time he had opposition... but then they broke the rules.

Sully
08-06-2008, 08:58 AM
Doesn't sound like a guy who betrays his mentor, Alice Palmer, would be a very good rep...

Or a very good person.

According to your article, she betrayed him.

SHTSPRAYER
08-06-2008, 08:58 AM
Well, to be fair, at one time he had opposition... but then they broke the rules.

He derailed them with a technicality.

noa
08-06-2008, 08:59 AM
I remember a while back Donger posted some study on how conservatives are happier than liberals. All of these Obama threads where the hatred of the man is so impassioned really makes me question that.

Sully
08-06-2008, 09:00 AM
Obama's challenge was perfectly legal, said Jay Stewart of the Chicago's Better Government Association.


Evil libs and their following of the damned law!!!!


GRRRRRRR

Sully
08-06-2008, 09:01 AM
He derailed them with a technicality.

You must be absolutely furious with the "technicalities" that happened in Florida in 2000. (but I bet you really aren't)

Technicalities are rules. Using that term doesn't make them less of a rule, it just shows you whining.

SHTSPRAYER
08-06-2008, 09:03 AM
I remember a while back Donger posted some study on how conservatives are happier than liberals. All of these Obama threads where the hatred of the man is so impassioned really makes me question that.


I do hate him. I think that he's evil.

SHTSPRAYER
08-06-2008, 09:04 AM
You must be absolutely furious with the "technicalities" that happened in Florida in 2000. (but I bet you really aren't)

Technicalities are rules. Using that term doesn't make them less of a rule, it just shows you whining.

What does this say about the man's loyalty? He betrayed his own mentor, Alice Palmer.

noa
08-06-2008, 09:05 AM
I do hate him. I think that he's evil.

He's an evil-doer

Sully
08-06-2008, 09:07 AM
What does this say about the man's loyalty? He betrayed his own mentor, Alice Palmer.

I think it shows that he believes in following rules, and regardless of whether you are his friend or not, you aren't above them.
Sounds like a great guy to have in government!!!
Thanks for pointing that out to me!!!

SHTSPRAYER
08-06-2008, 09:15 AM
I think it shows that he believes in following rules, and regardless of whether you are his friend or not, you aren't above them.
Sounds like a great guy to have in government!!!
Thanks for pointing that out to me!!!

Or it's a guy who saw a convenient opportunity to steal a position in state government.

Do you think this was the only rulebreaking he witnessed in the Daley machine? :rolleyes:

How about when he was shaking down businesses with ACORN? Do you think he participated in any activities that required him to turn a blind eye to technicalities being broken?

Direckshun
08-06-2008, 09:16 AM
Link please?

SHTSPRAYER
08-06-2008, 09:17 AM
Link please?


cut and paste an excerpt and google it.

Direckshun
08-06-2008, 09:19 AM
cut and paste an excerpt and google it.
I always do. This time nothing turned up.

Just link me to it, please.

Sully
08-06-2008, 09:19 AM
How about when he was shaking down businesses with ACORN? Do you think he participated in any activities that required him to turn a blind eye to technicalities being broken?

I don't know. DO you have any evidence he did?

SHTSPRAYER
08-06-2008, 09:21 AM
I don't know. DO you have any evidence he did?

Obama’s relationship with Rezko grew closer in June 2005, when Obama and Rezko’s wife bought adjoining real estate parcels from a doctor in the South Side Kenwood neighborhood. Obama paid $1.65 million for the doctor’s mansion, while Rezko’s wife paid $625,000 for the vacant lot next door. Obama’s purchase price was $300,000 below the asking price; Rezko’s wife paid full price.

Six months later, Obama paid Rita Rezko $104,500 for one-sixth of the vacant lot, which he bought to expand his yard. In November 2006, he expressed regret about the transaction.

“It was a mistake to have been engaged with him at all in this or any other personal business dealing that would allow him, or anyone else,” Obama said, “to believe that he had done me a favor.”

Direckshun
08-06-2008, 09:22 AM
What's the story, SHTSPRAYER? Don't want people here thinking you like CNN (http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/05/29/obamas.first.campaign/index.html)?

Sully
08-06-2008, 09:22 AM
Obama’s relationship with Rezko grew closer in June 2005, when Obama and Rezko’s wife bought adjoining real estate parcels from a doctor in the South Side Kenwood neighborhood. Obama paid $1.65 million for the doctor’s mansion, while Rezko’s wife paid $625,000 for the vacant lot next door. Obama’s purchase price was $300,000 below the asking price; Rezko’s wife paid full price.

Six months later, Obama paid Rita Rezko $104,500 for one-sixth of the vacant lot, which he bought to expand his yard. In November 2006, he expressed regret about the transaction.

“It was a mistake to have been engaged with him at all in this or any other personal business dealing that would allow him, or anyone else,” Obama said, “to believe that he had done me a favor.”

Yeah. I read the huge article in teh Chicago paper about that a few months back. I'm confident that Senator Obama wasn't in the wrong.

SHTSPRAYER
08-06-2008, 09:23 AM
I always do. This time nothing turned up.

Just link me to it, please.

You are hopeless


http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/05/29/obamas.first.campaign/index.html

Sully
08-06-2008, 09:23 AM
What's the story, SHTSPRAYER? Don't want people here thinking you like CNN?

Here's why it's funny.
You ready for it?
He threw an absolute meltdown-epic-tantrum yesterday because I didn't give him a link, including lying about not finding something I posted using google.

SHTSPRAYER
08-06-2008, 09:24 AM
Yeah. I read the huge article in teh Chicago paper about that a few months back. I'm confident that Senator Obama wasn't in the wrong.

Ok, so we've ascertained his entrance into the state legislature has an asterisk next to it.

SHTSPRAYER
08-06-2008, 09:26 AM
Here's why it's funny.
You ready for it?
He threw an absolute meltdown-epic-tantrum yesterday because I didn't give him a link, including lying about not finding something I posted using google.

Silly, you didn't need a link, you were just playing games. Seems to be SOP with you.

Direckshun
08-06-2008, 09:26 AM
Here's why it's funny.
You ready for it?
He threw an absolute meltdown-epic-tantrum yesterday because I didn't give him a link, including lying about not finding something I posted using google.
That's the pattern I've picked up from him.

Sully
08-06-2008, 09:27 AM
Ok, so we've ascertained his entrance into the state legislature has an asterisk next to it.

I don't see why.

SHTSPRAYER
08-06-2008, 09:27 AM
That's the pattern I've picked up from him.

I see you've made the topic me. :rolleyes:

Sully
08-06-2008, 09:28 AM
Silly, you didn't need a link, you were just playing games. Seems to be SOP with you.

I'm still waiting on your link.

(for the record: I don't think you needed a link either. If you C&p'ed my quote into google, it brought up several sources... so you were lying)

Sully
08-06-2008, 09:28 AM
I see you've made the topic me. :rolleyes:

Quit whining, you've done that so many times you have no place to even mention when it's done. Quit being a hypocrite.

noa
08-06-2008, 09:29 AM
Or it's a guy who saw a convenient opportunity to steal a position in state government.

You gotta be kidding me

SHTSPRAYER
08-06-2008, 09:30 AM
I don't see why.

It's important because there is this myth surrounding B.O. that his sudden rise was on the up and up.

Direckshun
08-06-2008, 09:30 AM
I don't see why.

If you follow all the rules that your party has established and don't break any laws that your state has established, you don't deserve to win unless SHTSPRAYER says so.

SHTSPRAYER
08-06-2008, 09:30 AM
Quit whining, you've done that so many times you have no place to even mention when it's done. Quit being a hypocrite.

Quit changing the subject, Silly.

Sully
08-06-2008, 09:30 AM
Quit changing the subject, Silly.

I was responding to your lead, Shit.

Sully
08-06-2008, 09:31 AM
If you follow all the rules that your party has established and don't break any laws that your state has established, you don't deserve to win unless SHTSPRAYER says so. (And you are a Republican)

FYP

SHTSPRAYER
08-06-2008, 09:32 AM
If you follow all the rules that your party has established and don't break any laws that your state has established, you don't deserve to win unless SHTSPRAYER says so.


I think it establishes a pattern that his meteoric rise is chock full of surprises.

Direckshun
08-06-2008, 09:32 AM
I've got to ask this, though, SHTSPRAYER.

You've said that Obama is evil in this thread.

You've admitted to me in another thread that if he becomes President, you'll be upset, but you'll "get over it and plan accordingly."

If this is how you genuinely believe, how do you plan for evil taking over the White House? How can you ever get over evil inhabiting the White House?

SHTSPRAYER
08-06-2008, 09:33 AM
I was responding to your lead, Shit.


Uh no Silly, you were having a side conversation with direkshun concerning me in another thread.

Sully
08-06-2008, 09:33 AM
I think it establishes a pattern that his meteoric rise is chock full of surprises.

I think "surprises" like expecting politicians to follow the law are good things.
I'm sorry that you don't. I guess party is above law in your eyes, as evidenced by your outrage, here.

Direckshun
08-06-2008, 09:33 AM
I think it establishes a pattern that his meteoric rise is chock full of surprises.
So?

When those surprises yield the finding that he's drawn within the lines to win an election, what do we care?

SHTSPRAYER
08-06-2008, 09:34 AM
I've got to ask this, though, SHTSPRAYER.

You've said that Obama is evil in this thread.

You've admitted to me in another thread that if he becomes President, you'll be upset, but you'll "get over it and plan accordingly."

If this is how you genuinely believe, how do you plan for evil taking over the White House? How can you ever get over evil inhabiting the White House?


I don't anticipate a victory for B.O. but like I said, if it does I will plan accordingly.

Direckshun
08-06-2008, 09:35 AM
I don't anticipate a victory for B.O. but like I said, if it does I will plan accordingly.
By... doing what?

SHTSPRAYER
08-06-2008, 09:35 AM
So?

When those surprises yield the finding that he's drawn within the lines to win an election, what do we care?

You don't think there is a distinction between winning against actual competition and winning by default becuase there is no competition?

Sully
08-06-2008, 09:35 AM
Uh no Silly, you were having a side conversation with direkshun concerning me in another thread.

I responded to him, yes. But your lack of linking is what led to the change. I thought it interesting, given the meltdown you had yesterday.

Radar Chief
08-06-2008, 09:35 AM
If this is how you genuinely believe, how do you plan for evil taking over the White House? How can you ever get over evil inhabiting the White House?

I'd assume the same way you did. ;)

Chief Henry
08-06-2008, 09:35 AM
That's politics, bitch

HOPE and CHANGE is just politics as usual

noa
08-06-2008, 09:36 AM
You don't think there is a distinction between winning against actual competition and winning by default becuase there is no competition?

No.

SHTSPRAYER
08-06-2008, 09:36 AM
I responded to him, yes. But your lack of linking is what led to the change. I thought it interesting, given the meltdown you had yesterday.

You guys are just nitpicking for the sake of being douchebags. Google: Obama Alice Palmer the first fuqqing link is to the CNN article.

Sully
08-06-2008, 09:37 AM
You don't think there is a distinction between winning against actual competition and winning by default becuase there is no competition?

No. Should there be?

noa
08-06-2008, 09:37 AM
HOPE and CHANGE is just politics as usual


My mistake I won't quote Its Always Sunny In Philadelphia in political threads anymore. It was just a joke.

Direckshun
08-06-2008, 09:39 AM
I'd assume the same way you did. ;)
Pfffft, please. I'd be giving Bush waaaay too much credit.

Bush isn't evil. He's a master campaigner and an incompetent administrator. Nothing more.

SHTSPRAYER
08-06-2008, 09:40 AM
I'd assume the same way you did. ;)

:clap:

ROFL

Direckshun
08-06-2008, 09:40 AM
You don't think there is a distinction between winning against actual competition and winning by default becuase there is no competition?
I think there is, but if it's within the rules it's not unethical.

SHTSPRAYER
08-06-2008, 09:41 AM
I think there is, but if it's within the rules it's not unethical.

Fair enough.

Direckshun
08-06-2008, 09:43 AM
Fair enough.
So what do you want to talk about now?

noa
08-06-2008, 09:43 AM
So what do you want to talk about now?

Draft Planet?

Direckshun
08-06-2008, 09:44 AM
Draft Planet?
BRING IT BACK, MOTHER****ERS. I want to know which QBs we should be watching in 2008.

Radar Chief
08-06-2008, 09:47 AM
So what do you want to talk about now?

Salt shakers. I mean, what’s the deal? You fill them in the morning and they’re empty again at the end of the day.

:hmmm:

SHTSPRAYER
08-06-2008, 09:50 AM
So what do you want to talk about now?

B.O. getting his ass rocked in a fair and square competition with Bobby Rush.

ROFL

Direckshun
08-06-2008, 09:53 AM
B.O. getting his ass rocked in a fair and square competition with Bobby Rush.

ROFL
The NYTimes has a great story (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/09/us/politics/09obama.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin) on that, actually.

SHTSPRAYER
08-06-2008, 09:54 AM
The NYTimes has a great story (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/09/us/politics/09obama.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin) on that, actually.

Cool.

Thanks for the link! Muh man, muh man, alright, alright!

SHTSPRAYER
08-06-2008, 09:56 AM
....And then in 2004, his competition was wiped out by a sex scandal.

You see the pattern, here? All dubious distinctions.

SHTSPRAYER
08-06-2008, 09:58 AM
And he totally f*cked over Hillary by moving far left, then after wiping her out moving back to the center and usurping all her positions.

I think this pattern shows he's a weasel. And now against McCain he keeps playing the race card.

Direckshun
08-06-2008, 10:00 AM
....And then in 2004, his competition was wiped out by a sex scandal.

You see the pattern, here? All dubious distinctions.
Actually he had the added benefit of not being embroiled in a sex scandal.

Considering the history of Democratic Presidents, I'll take that dubious distinction.

Direckshun
08-06-2008, 10:00 AM
And he totally f*cked over Hillary by moving far left, then after wiping her out moving back to the center and usurping all her positions.

I think this pattern shows he's a weasel. And now against McCain he keeps playing the race card.
Nah, he ****ed over Hillary by raising far more money than her and being a far superior campaigner.

beer bacon
08-06-2008, 10:01 AM
shtsprayer also thinks black people should pay white people reparations, since they are better off than modern day Africans.

VAChief
08-06-2008, 10:22 AM
And he totally f*cked over Hillary by moving far left, then after wiping her out moving back to the center and usurping all her positions.

I think this pattern shows he's a weasel. And now against McCain he keeps playing the race card.

Are you by chance a relative of Roy Cohn?