The "post-racial candidate" narrative is BS

[SHTSPRAYER]

B.O. is obsessed with race politics...

When the 2000 census revealed dramatic growth in Chicago's Hispanic and Asian populations alongside a decline in the number of African Americans, the Illinois black caucus was alarmed at the prospect that the number of blacks in the Illinois General Assembly might decline. At that point, Obama stepped to the forefront of the effort to preserve as many black seats as possible. The Defender quotes Obama as saying that, "while everyone agrees that the Hispanic population has grown, they cannot expand by taking African-American seats."

As in the casino dispute, Obama stressed black unity, pushing a plan that would modestly increase the white, Hispanic, and Asian population in what would continue to be the same number of safe black districts. As Obama put it: "An incumbent African-American legislator with a 90 percent district may feel good about his reelection chances, but we as a community would probably be better off if we had two African-American legislators with 60 percent each."

Obama's intensely race-conscious approach may surprise Americans who know him primarily through his keynote address at the Democratic National Convention of 2004.

When Obama so famously said, "There is not a Black America and a White America and Latino America and Asian America-there's the United States of America," most Americans took him to be advocating a color-blind consciousness of the kind expressed in Martin Luther King Jr.'s dream that his children would one day be judged, not by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character.

Anyone who understood Obama's words that way should know that this is not the whole story.

In an essay published in 1988 entitled "Why Organize? Problems and Promise in the Inner City," Obama tried to make room for both "accommodation and militancy" in black political engagement. He wrote, The debate as to how black and other dispossessed people can forward their lot in America is not new. From W.E.B. DuBois to Booker T. Washington to Marcus Garvey to Malcolm X to Martin Luther King, this internal debate has raged between integration and nationalism, between accommodation and militancy, between sit-down strikes and board-room negotiations. The lines between these strategies have never been simply drawn, and the most successful black leadership has recognized the need to bridge these seemingly divergent approaches.

However his views may have evolved in the ensuing 20 years, Obama surely knew that the King-like rhetoric of his keynote address would be taken by most Americans as a repudiation of the kind of race-based politics he and his closest allies have consistently practiced throughout his electoral career.

It's difficult to gauge the extent to which Obama may have consciously permitted this misunderstanding to take hold, or the extent to which he still believes that the opposition between "integration and nationalism, between accommodation and militancy" is a false one.

[SBK]

You racist pig rove-bot oil sucking maggot.

[Direckshun]

B.O. is obsessed with race politics...
This thread is from an excerpt (http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/015/386abhgm.asp?pg=2) out of the Weekly Standard, in case anybody wants to know.

[Donger]

Well, to be honest, I don't think Barack Hussein inserting, "I'm a black guy! They'll never vote for me!" into his speech at the 2004 convention would have been consistent with the "message" he was trying to sell.

[Direckshun]

For the record, nothing in the excerpt you highlighted (nor the rest of the article that your choice rightwing blog that showed this to you probably left out) displayed anything inappropriate. Calling for an adequate number of black faces in Congress is not inappropriate. Teaching about racism and discrimination is not inappropriate. Writing about race in both of his books is not inappropriate. You may disagree with Affirmative Action, but supporting it is not inappropriate.

I think a lot of this is getting lost in the fog, and that's all intentional by your side, SHTSPRAYER. Because the issue here isn't racism, it's white resentment, plain and simple.

Obama has not hidden from his race, he has not ignored it, he has openly discussed it, and he has never used it as an excuse for any of his shortcomings.

This is a huge change in tone from black leaders in the past, and I have no idea why you want to derail that.

[beer bacon]

I agree with shtsprayer. Black people should pay white people reparations.

[Direckshun]

Well, to be honest, I don't think Barack Hussein inserting, "I'm a black guy! They'll never vote for me!" into his speech at the 2004 convention would have been consistent with the "message" he was trying to sell.
To say you misunderstood his point is understating the matter.

He said the fact that a black kid with a funny name could one day become President is a miracle bestowed by the United States.

So essentially, you've taken a brilliantly hopeful message and turned it into racism.

How does that make you feel?

[SHTSPRAYER]

I agree with shtsprayer. Black people should pay white people reparations.


Slavery existed for thousands of years before the Atlantic slave trade was born, and in all societies. But in the thousand years of its existence, there never was an anti-slavery movement until white Christians - Englishmen and Americans -- created one. If not for the anti-slavery attitudes and military power of white Englishmen and Americans, the slave trade would not have been brought to an end. If not for the sacrifices of white soldiers and a white American president who gave his life to sign the Emancipation Proclamation, blacks in America would still be slaves. If not for the dedication of Americans of all ethnicities and colors to a society based on the principle that all men are created equal, blacks in America would not enjoy the highest standard of living of blacks anywhere in the world, and indeed one of the highest standards of living of any people in the world. They would not enjoy the greatest freedoms and the most thoroughly protected individual rights anywhere. Where is the gratitude of black America and its leaders for those gifts?

[Donger]

To say you misunderstood his point is understating the matter.

He said the fact that a black kid with a funny name could one day become President is a miracle bestowed by the United States.

So essentially, you've taken a brilliantly hopeful message and turned it into racism.

How does that make you feel?

.

We know what kind of campaign they’re going to run. They’re going to try to make you afraid. They’re going to try to make you afraid of me. He’s young and inexperienced and he’s got a funny name. And did I mention he’s black?

His words, not mine.

[Direckshun]

His words, not mine.
How on earth is that "I'm a black guy! They'll never vote for me!"?

[Midnight_Vulture]

LOL at the black caucus. These fools still act more like the Black Panthers. Selfish thinking and only looking out for their own race. Libs you can have them.

[Donger]

How on earth is that "I'm a black guy! They'll never vote for me!"?

By saying that, I think it can be readily assumed that Barack Hussein was referring to the GOP. If so, I can't think of the GOP or the McCain bringing up his race at all.

Can you?

The only person I see repeatedly bringing up Barack Hussein's race is Barack Hussein.

My made up quote was just an example of the type of racial rhetoric that Barack Hussein uses in order to further his campaign, in response to the the thread title.

[beer bacon]

Slavery existed for thousands of years before the Atlantic slave trade was born, and in all societies. But in the thousand years of its existence, there never was an anti-slavery movement until white Christians - Englishmen and Americans -- created one. If not for the anti-slavery attitudes and military power of white Englishmen and Americans, the slave trade would not have been brought to an end. If not for the sacrifices of white soldiers and a white American president who gave his life to sign the Emancipation Proclamation, blacks in America would still be slaves. If not for the dedication of Americans of all ethnicities and colors to a society based on the principle that all men are created equal, blacks in America would not enjoy the highest standard of living of blacks anywhere in the world, and indeed one of the highest standards of living of any people in the world. They would not enjoy the greatest freedoms and the most thoroughly protected individual rights anywhere. Where is the gratitude of black America and its leaders for those gifts?

You're my favorite poster.

[SHTSPRAYER]

The only person I see repeatedly bringing up Barack Hussein's race is Barack Hussein.


I like the way the little weasel responded when asked if the McCain campaign was racist "No, they are cynical."

What a magnanimous guy. :rolleyes:

[beer bacon]

I like the way the little weasel responded when asked if the McCain campaign was racist "No, they are cynical."

What a magnanimous guy. :rolleyes:

The GOP and McCain's campaign are cynical because they will use any tools at their disposal to win elections. You don't have to be racist yourself to exploit other peoples' racism because you think it will help you win an election. Just cynical and amoral to a certain degree.

[Taco John]

B.O. is obsessed with race politics...

When the 2000 census revealed dramatic growth in Chicago's Hispanic and Asian populations alongside a decline in the number of African Americans, the Illinois black caucus was alarmed at the prospect that the number of blacks in the Illinois General Assembly might decline. At that point, Obama stepped to the forefront of the effort to preserve as many black seats as possible. The Defender quotes Obama as saying that, "while everyone agrees that the Hispanic population has grown, they cannot expand by taking African-American seats."

As in the casino dispute, Obama stressed black unity, pushing a plan that would modestly increase the white, Hispanic, and Asian population in what would continue to be the same number of safe black districts. As Obama put it: "An incumbent African-American legislator with a 90 percent district may feel good about his reelection chances, but we as a community would probably be better off if we had two African-American legislators with 60 percent each."

Obama's intensely race-conscious approach may surprise Americans who know him primarily through his keynote address at the Democratic National Convention of 2004.

When Obama so famously said, "There is not a Black America and a White America and Latino America and Asian America-there's the United States of America," most Americans took him to be advocating a color-blind consciousness of the kind expressed in Martin Luther King Jr.'s dream that his children would one day be judged, not by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character.

Anyone who understood Obama's words that way should know that this is not the whole story.

In an essay published in 1988 entitled "Why Organize? Problems and Promise in the Inner City," Obama tried to make room for both "accommodation and militancy" in black political engagement. He wrote, The debate as to how black and other dispossessed people can forward their lot in America is not new. From W.E.B. DuBois to Booker T. Washington to Marcus Garvey to Malcolm X to Martin Luther King, this internal debate has raged between integration and nationalism, between accommodation and militancy, between sit-down strikes and board-room negotiations. The lines between these strategies have never been simply drawn, and the most successful black leadership has recognized the need to bridge these seemingly divergent approaches.

However his views may have evolved in the ensuing 20 years, Obama surely knew that the King-like rhetoric of his keynote address would be taken by most Americans as a repudiation of the kind of race-based politics he and his closest allies have consistently practiced throughout his electoral career.

It's difficult to gauge the extent to which Obama may have consciously permitted this misunderstanding to take hold, or the extent to which he still believes that the opposition between "integration and nationalism, between accommodation and militancy" is a false one.



Good God, you're plagerizing the Weekly Standard now?

[Donger]

The GOP and McCain's campaign are cynical because they will use any tools at their disposal to win elections. You don't have to be racist yourself to exploit other peoples' racism because you think it will help you win an election. Just cynical and amoral to a certain degree.

Do you really think that the DNC and Barack Hussein's campaign won't "use any tools at their disposal to win" the election?

[SHTSPRAYER]

The GOP and McCain's campaign are cynical because they will use any tools at their disposal to win elections. You don't have to be racist yourself to exploit other peoples' racism because you think it will help you win an election. Just cynical and amoral to a certain degree.


The point is, he himself inferred that McCain's camp was racist and trying to "scare" people because he was black, then when McCain's camp responded, he turns around and makes it look like he's taking the high road.

The guy is a scumbag. He's obsessed with race:

http://www.examiner.com/a-536474~_Trapped_between_two_worlds_.html

[beer bacon]

The point is, he himself inferred that McCain's camp was racist and trying to "scare" people because he was black, then when McCain's camp responded, he turns around and makes it look like he's taking the high road.

The guy is a scumbag. He's obsessed with race:

http://www.examiner.com/a-536474~_Trapped_between_two_worlds_.html

You're obsessed with race shtsprayer.

[Donger]

You're obsessed with race shtsprayer.

I could be wrong, but I think that Barack Hussein has admitted to being "racial obsessed" or words to that effect in the past.

[SHTSPRAYER]

You're obsessed with race shtsprayer.

Once again, the moonbat projects B.O.'s racism onto the person who has the temerity to broach the subject.

Not only is B.O. obsessed with race, he is a virulent racist:

Although Obama spent various portions of his youth living with his white maternal grandfather and Indonesian stepfather, he vowed that he would “never emulate white men and brown men whose fates didn't speak to my own. It was into my father’s image, the black man, son of Africa, that I’d packed all the attributes I sought in myself, the attributes of Martin and Malcolm, DuBois and Mandela.”

Obama wrote that in high school, he and a black friend would sometimes speak disparagingly “about white folks this or white folks that, and I would suddenly remember my mother's smile, and the words that I spoke would seem awkward and false.”

As a result, he concluded that “certain whites could be excluded from the general category of our distrust.”


During college, Obama disapproved of what he called other “half-breeds” who gravitated toward whites instead of blacks. And yet after college, he once fell in love with a white woman, only to push her away when he concluded he would have to assimilate into her world, not the other way around. He later married a black woman.

The guy is sick in the head.

[jettio]

Wotta stupid thread by wotta stupid threadstarter.

[little jacob]

When the 2000 census revealed dramatic growth in Chicago's Hispanic and Asian populations alongside a decline in the number of African Americans, the Illinois black caucus was alarmed at the prospect that the number of blacks in the Illinois General Assembly might decline... The Defender quotes Obama as saying that, "while everyone agrees that the Hispanic population has grown, they cannot expand by taking African-American seats."


what the hell? he wants some kind of a mandatory minimum number of AA seats even if there aren't enough votes for them?

[HolmeZz]

The point is, he himself inferred that McCain's camp was racist and trying to "scare" people because he was black, then when McCain's camp responded, he turns around and makes it look like he's taking the high road.

He did not say McCain's Campaign, he was talking about Republicans and his opponents in general.

And it's highly amusing to watch you take offense to that when 85% of your posts are about Obama's race and attempts to scare people with it.

[SHTSPRAYER]

what the hell? he wants some kind of a mandatory minimum number of AA seats even if there aren't enough votes for them?

Dunno, the guy is whacked out. I think it had something to do with gerrymandering?

[SHTSPRAYER]

He did not say McCain's Campaign, he was talking about Republicans and his opponents in general.

Well of course he didn't call out McCain by name, it was inferred. The guy is a despicable piece of shit.

And it's highly amusing to watch you take offense to that when 85% of your posts are about Obama's race and attempts to scare people with it

I'm not trying to scare anyone. I just love to rattle moonbats. I can almost smell the wires short circuiting in your brains from cognitive dissonance overload. Aside from that, it's impossible to discuss Obama in any context without discussing race. He knows that, his O-bot worshippers no that, and the narrative has been unfairly set up by the MSM that anybody who is criticial of B.O.'s racist past, they shall be smeared as the racist.

And that's exactly what you just did (or tried to do, now).

We can't point out his Marxism and Racism without bring up the fact that he's Black, because they are indistinguishable.

From the Weekly Standard:

Any rounded treatment of Obama's early political career has got to give prominence to the issue of race. Obama has recently made efforts to preemptively blunt discussion of the race issue, warning that his critics will highlight the fact that he is African American. Yet the question of race plays so large a role in Obama's own thought and action that it is all but impossible to discuss his political trajectory without acknowledging the extent to which it engrosses him.
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[jettio]

what the hell? he wants some kind of a mandatory minimum number of AA seats even if there aren't enough votes for them?

You obviously don't know a damn thing at all about how electoral districts get drawn.

Every single legislator is taking into account every single demographic factor including race, income, education and likely party affiliation.

As far as I know, none of the 50 states has adopted anything resembling a demographically neutral electoral districting plan.

Do you know that you live in the United States of America or do you think you live in some kind of fancifully fair and neutral Utopia?

If you want to read up on electoral districting why don't you google DeLay and Texas and redistricting.

[SBK]

It's funny to watch a bunch of typical white people discuss race issues like they understand the plight of a black man.

[noa]

It's funny to watch a bunch of typical white people discuss race issues like they understand the plight of a black man.

Word

[SHTSPRAYER]

It's funny to watch a bunch of typical white people discuss race issues like they understand the plight of a black man.


It's got to be tough growing up in Hawaii, going to prep school, Columbia, Harvard Law...

I can see why B.O. and his harridan wife, who went to Yale and sends her kids to $25K + a year private schools, were disallusioned in America to the point of joining a racist, marxist organization like Trinity United.

Heck if I was in there shoes, I'd hate white people too.

[SBK]

It's got to be tough growing up in Hawaii, going to prep school, Columbia, Harvard Law...

I can see why B.O. and his harridan wife, who went to Yale and sends her kids to $25K + a year private schools, were disallusioned in America to the point of joining a racist, marxist organization like Trinity United.

Heck if I was in there shoes, I'd hate white people too.

He's risen above education as usual.

[noa]

It's got to be tough growing up in Hawaii, going to prep school, Columbia, Harvard Law...

He went to the school in Hawaii on scholarship, worked his way into elite institutions and took out loans. You say that statement like he was a wealthy kid whose path was paved for him, which is completely wrong.

[SHTSPRAYER]

He went to the school in Hawaii on scholarship, worked his way into elite institutions and took out loans. You say that statement like he was a wealthy kid whose path was paved for him, which is completely wrong.

Oh. So he had to take out loans, so that must be the source of his rage. Heck, if I had to pay back loans for a Harvard law degree I'd become a militant, radical too.

[SBK]

He went to the school in Hawaii on scholarship, worked his way into elite institutions and took out loans. You say that statement like he was a wealthy kid whose path was paved for him, which is completely wrong.

We all know the rich kid with the path paved for him was Bush. Oops, B*sh. Guy can't add 2+2 but has a degree from Yale.

[SHTSPRAYER]

We all know the rich kid with the path paved for him was Bush. Oops, B*sh. Guy can't add 2+2 but has a degree from Yale.


I thought America was unfair to blacks. I'm surprised Michelle Obama got into yale.

[noa]

Oh. So he had to take out loans, so that must be the source of his rage. Heck, if I had to pay back loans for a Harvard law degree I'd become a militant, radical too.

No, that wasn't my point. It was that you were characterizing his path to success as an easy one, like someone who had been born with a silver spoon.

[noa]

I thought America was unfair to blacks. I'm surprised Michelle Obama got into yale.

Yes, it can't possibly be that racism exists in America and yet a black person got into Yale.

[|Zach|]

I could be wrong, but I think that Barack Hussein has admitted to being "racial obsessed" or words to that effect in the past.

Link?

[SHTSPRAYER]

Yes, it can't possibly be that racism exists in America and yet a black person got into Yale.

What is this racism? Where is this amorphous thing that is so omniscient?

[noa]

What is this racism? Where is this amorphous thing that is so omniscient?

Hey man, you yourself are alleging racism (by Obama, whom you call a "virulent racist") in this very thread. Now you want to deny that it exists at all? Get a grip.

[SHTSPRAYER]

Hey man, you yourself are alleging racism (by Obama, whom you call a "virulent racist") in this very thread. Now you want to deny that it exists at all? Get a grip.

Hold you. You made the implication that Michelle got into Yale despite "racism." I'd like to know what you meant.

What more would you like the government to do that hasn't already been done?

[SBK]

What more would you like the government to do that hasn't already been done?

I'd like a discount on a digital converter box for my tv.

Oh wait.....

[beer bacon]

What more would you like the government to do that hasn't already been done?

Didn't we already agree on what the government should do in another thread?

1) Sterilize everyone on welfare
2) Make black people give reparations to white people

[noa]

Hold you. You made the implication that Michelle got into Yale despite "racism." I'd like to know what you meant.

What more would you like the government to do that hasn't already been done?

I'm not asking the government to do anything. I don't know where you are getting this stuff.

[SBK]

Didn't we already agree on what the government should do in another thread?

1) Sterilize everyone on welfare
2) Make black people give reparations to white people

3) Provide discounts on digital converter boxes for our tv's.
4) Spend millions to study the effect that heat has on ice.

[SHTSPRAYER]

No, that wasn't my point. It was that you were characterizing his path to success as an easy one, like someone who had been born with a silver spoon.


No, I think his path to success was similar to that of any ambitious, hard working American.

[noa]

No, I think his path to success was similar to that of any ambitious, hard working American.

OK, then we can agree on that.

[SHTSPRAYER]

I'm not asking the government to do anything. I don't know where you are getting this stuff.

OK, but you implicated that Michelle's entrance and successful graduation from Yale was in spite of racism.

I'm just trying to figure out why you would say that.

[SHTSPRAYER]

OK, then we can agree on that.


Then why would he gravitate to the South side of Chicago and immerse himself in Afro-Marxist politics?

[noa]

OK, but you implicated that Michelle's entrance and successful graduation from Yale was in spite of racism.

I'm just trying to figure out why you would say that.

No, I was responding to your insinuation that because one black person got admitted to Yale, that proves that no blacks are treated unfairly in America.

I happen to think that some blacks are treated unfairly in America, and some whites are treated unfairly in America, and some Hispanics are treated unfairly in America and so and and so forth, so I don't get angry like you do when people talk about the existence of some racism in America.

[SHTSPRAYER]

No, I was responding to your insinuation that because one black person got admitted to Yale, that proves that no blacks are treated unfairly in America.

"Unfairly".

Hmmmm....

You know noa, not for nothing, but there's been a whole lotta times I've been--- or at least felt like---- I've been treated unfairly in America.

Never felt so inclined by those bad experiences to join the KKK or some other white facsimile of Trinity United, though.

[noa]

"Unfairly".

Hmmmm....

You know noa, not for nothing, but there's been a whole lotta times I've been--- or at least felt like---- I've been treated unfairly in America.

Never felt so inclined by those bad experiences to join the KKK or some other white facsimile of Trinity United, though.

Yeah, I edited my post to add more. If you think you were treated unfairly, fine, you have a right to talk about it.
I'm not really going to get into some discussion about Trinity United because I'm not of the opinion that it is the equivalent of the KKK, but you apparently are, and I don't think that either of us would convince the other to change his mind.

[SHTSPRAYER]

I happen to think that some blacks are treated unfairly in America, and some whites are treated unfairly in America, and some Hispanics are treated unfairly in America and so and and so forth, so I don't get angry like you do when people talk about the existence of some racism in America.

Well, I only get angry when I see a racist running for president of the USA and he has a pretty good shot. Yeah, that gets me angry especially when I see the media is in the tank for the guy. And yeah, I get angry when people call me a racist for simply pointing out B.O.'s racist affiliations.

[Sully]

"Unfairly".

Hmmmm....

You know noa, not for nothing, but there's been a whole lotta times I've been--- or at least felt like---- I've been treated unfairly in America.

Never felt so inclined by those bad experiences to join the KKK or some other white facsimile of Trinity United, though.

Trinity UCC is a facsimile of the KKK?
Um... your lack of education and honesty is showing...
ROFL

[Donger]

Link?

I don't have one. I think it was during an interview.

You have read his books though, yes? If so, surely you acknowledge that race has played a massive part in his life.

[SHTSPRAYER]

Yeah, I edited my post to add more. If you think you were treated unfairly, fine, you have a right to talk about it.

Well the reason why I asked you what more would you like the government to do--

Because in this country if you are Black and you think that you have been treated unfairly because of that, you have recourse to the law. Nobody can get away with it any more like they did in the Jim Crow south.

So I really feel a huge disconnect when you say Michelle getting into Yale doesn't mean there is no racism in America.

It just didn't make any sense but I guess we're not going to get anywhere with this so Peace.

[SHTSPRAYER]

Trinity UCC is a facsimile of the KKK?
Um... your lack of education and honesty is showing...
ROFL

I seen an heard PURE HATRED for Whitey from that pulpit.

[noa]

Well the reason why I asked you what more would you like the government to do--

Because in this country if you are Black and you think that you have been treated unfairly because of that, you have recourse to the law. Nobody can get away with it any more like they did in the Jim Crow south.

So I really feel a huge disconnect when you say Michelle getting into Yale doesn't mean there is no racism in America.

It just didn't make any sense but I guess we're not going to get anywhere with this so Peace.

You said: "I thought America was unfair to blacks. How did Michelle Obama get into Yale?"

I think you can see the disconnect in that statement. I was pointing out that Michelle's admission to Yale doesn't prove anything about your first sentence. If you had made the statement with legal recourse, that would have been one thing, but your statement was completely illogical and didn't prove anything. That's what I picked a bone with.

[Donger]

In the book, Obama recalls a sermon by pastor Jeremiah Wright called "The Audacity to Hope," from which Obama would take the title of his second book. Obama quotes Wright, describing the world as one "where white folks’ greed runs a world in need, apartheid in one hemisphere, apathy in another hemisphere … That’s the world, On which hope sits!"

And

And, even though he has been a member of Trinity United for the past 20 years, Obama said he had never witnessed Wright making such statements. "Had I heard those statements in the church, I would have told Reverend Wright that I profoundly disagree with them," Obama said

[|Zach|]

I don't have one. I think it was during an interview.

You have read his books though, yes? If so, surely you acknowledge that race has played a massive part in his life.

So, you are saying...

I could be wrong, but I think that Barack Hussein has admitted to being "racial obsessed" or words to that effect in the past.

Is a baseless claim.

[Sully]

I seen an heard PURE HATRED for Whitey from that pulpit, for 10 full seconds!!!!.

FYP


So that church is lynching white folks and stuff, too?
Wow.

[KC Fish]

Well, I only get angry when I see a racist running for president of the USA and he has a pretty good shot. Yeah, that gets me angry especially when I see the media is in the tank for the guy. And yeah, I get angry when people call me a racist for simply pointing out B.O.'s racist affiliations.

You get angry a lot huh? That does seem to be a character flaw of yours.

It's too bad that your hatred doesn't allow you to think rationally. People would likely take you seriously if you had a little better control.

[Direckshun]

By saying that, I think it can be readily assumed that Barack Hussein was referring to the GOP. If so, I can't think of the GOP or the McCain bringing up his race at all.

Can you?
Why does it have to necessarily be the GOP?

Why can't it be the throngs of people who use dogwhistle racism or white resentment or Muslim baiting like yourself?

[Donger]

So, you are saying...



Is a baseless claim.

Not at all. I do remember him either saying that directly or words to that effect once.

Even without that, I think a case could be made that he was obsessed with race when he was younger based on Dreams of My Father. It clearly preoccupied him.

[Donger]

Why does it have to necessarily be the GOP?

Why can't it be the throngs of people who use dogwhistle racism or white resentment or Muslim baiting like yourself?

It doesn't. Barack Hussein made the assertion. Perhaps he should define who exactly is "they"?

[|Zach|]

Not at all. I do remember him either saying that directly or words to that effect once.

Link?

[Direckshun]

It doesn't. Barack Hussein made the assertion. Perhaps he should define who exactly is "they"?
Perhaps it wasn't the point he was trying to make.

Perhaps he didn't want to focus on the negative people attacking him, and on the determination he sought for us to overcome it?

I'm sorry, but you're taking a hopeful statement and turning it into racism.

And that's why your party's going to lose in November.

[Donger]

Link?

As I explained already, I believe it was during a television interview. Therefore, I don't have a link.

Anyway, as I said, even without the link you so desperately seek, I think the case could be made that Barack Hussein was (perhaps still is) obsessed with race based on his book(s).

[mlyonsd]

Ok, this is a serious question so don't laugh or think I'm racist.

If Obama's mom is white and father African-American what would he claim as his race? I mean does he have options?

Totally non-political question, just curious.

[Direckshun]

As I explained already, I believe it was during a television interview. Therefore, I don't have a link.

Anyway, as I said, even without the link you so desperately seek, I think the case could be made that Barack Hussein was (perhaps still is) obsessed with race based on his book(s).
I have to ask, even though I know the answer:

Have you read his books?

[noa]

Ok, this is a serious question so don't laugh or think I'm racist.

If Obama's mom is white and father African-American what would he claim as his race? I mean does he have options?

Totally non-political question, just curious.

I think that's why he was pre-occupied with race when he was growing up. Its not a clear cut answer, so I am not surprised when someone who is mixed-race and grows up in various parts of the world under the supervision of different people has some questions about his identity.

[Direckshun]

Ok, this is a serious question so don't laugh or think I'm racist.

If Obama's mom is white and father African-American what would he claim as his race? I mean does he have options?

Totally non-political question, just curious.
I don't think is father is even American. Just African.

Obama is half-black. That registers according to the Census Bureau as African American.

[Donger]

Perhaps it wasn't the point he was trying to make.

Perhaps he didn't want to focus on the negative people attacking him, and on the determination he sought for us to overcome it?

If he didn't want top focus on the negative people attacking him (which are whom exactly?), perhaps he should stop mentioning them?

I'm sorry, but you're taking a hopeful statement and turning it into racism.

Huh? I don't think that what Barack Hussein said was racist.

And that's why your party's going to lose in November.

Want to make a bet?

[mlyonsd]

I don't think is father is even American. Just African.

Obama is half-black. That registers according to the Census Bureau as African American.

Thanks, although I wonder why that is.

[Donger]

I have to ask, even though I know the answer:

Have you read his books?

No, just excerpts.

How do you reconcile the fact that he quotes Wright in Dreams from My Father and that he said that he'd never heard Wright say such things?

[Direckshun]

If he didn't want top focus on the negative people attacking him (which are whom exactly?), perhaps he should stop mentioning them?

Huh? I don't think that what Barack Hussein said was racist.

Want to make a bet?
He didn't mention the negative people, he said """""they""""". He mentioned, instead, their attacks on his race (among other things).

His statement was of moving past those people, not focusing our anger on them.

Which is honorable. Surely you'd agree.

[Donger]

He didn't mention the negative people, he said """""they""""". He mentioned, instead, their attacks on his race (among other things).

His statement was of moving past those people, not focusing our anger on them.

Which is honorable. Surely you'd agree.

Have "they" made any attacks on his race?

[Sully]

As I explained already, I believe it was during a television interview. Therefore, I don't have a link.

Anyway, as I said, even without the link you so desperately seek, I think the case could be made that Barack Hussein was (perhaps still is) obsessed with race based on his book(s).

I assume that, at one point, yes Obama was obsessed with race. As he was trying to find how he fit in the world as a young man, etc... I'm sure it was something he dwelled upon and spent a ton of time thinking about.
At this time, I'd say it's a part of his identity, and something he thinks about, as how someone like him fits in in a presidential race, etc... (As evidenced by him bringing it up on occasion) But I don't think for one second he's obsessed with it.

[Direckshun]

No, just excerpts.

How do you reconcile the fact that he quotes Wright in Dreams from My Father and that he said that he'd never heard Wright say such things?
Why are you changing subjects? I could tell you haven't read the books because you badly mischaracterize the refreshing honesty and candidness Obama exercised in discussing race and his racially-and-ethnically-charged upbringing.

But I've criticized how Obama handled the Wright issue. I thought he should have given the Philadelphia race speech directly following the Wright story, not dance around it with equivocations.

[Direckshun]

Have "they" made any attacks on his race?
Gee, I don't know, has anybody around here in this forum referred to him by his middle name recently?

[Donger]

Why are you changing subjects? I could tell you haven't read the books because you badly mischaracterize the refreshing honesty and candidness Obama exercised in discussing race and his racially-and-ethnically-charged upbringing.

But I've criticized how Obama handled the Wright issue. I thought he should have given the Philadelphia race speech directly following the Wright story, not dance around it with equivocations.

I'm glad that you feel refreshed.

So, what's the bet going to be?

[Direckshun]

I'm glad that you feel refreshed.

So, what's the bet going to be?
I don't really know. Signature or avatar bet?

[Donger]

Gee, I don't know, has anybody around here in this forum referred to him by his middle name recently?

Using his given, legal name is an "attack" now?

Did I miss the memo?

Good lord, if Barack Hussein does win the GE, I surely hope he has a sturdier backbone than do his followers.

[Donger]

I don't really know. Signature or avatar bet?

How about leaving this forum, never to return?

[SBK]

How about leaving this forum, never to return?

No. Both of you make this place more fun.

[Direckshun]

Using his given, legal name is an "attack" now?

Did I miss the memo?

Good lord, if Barack Hussein does win the GE, I surely hope he has a sturdier backbone than do his followers.
I don't have a problem with you writing his middle name, but I know why you do it.

[Donger]

I don't have a problem with you writing his middle name, but I know why you do it.

I wouldn't presume too much.

[Direckshun]

How about leaving this forum, never to return?
Absolutely not.

If I'm right, I want you in this forum.

Every.

Single.

Day.

Do you have any interest in a signature or avatar bet?

How about starting a topic saying "I was wrong"?

The winner gets to write the words to the loser, and the loser has to start the topic, and copy and paste the words in the OP.

Now THAT would be fun...

[noa]

I don't have a problem with you writing his middle name, but I know why you do it.

I think he just does it to get or panties in a knot. He enjoys watching libs try to deal with it.

[Direckshun]

I think he just does it to get or panties in a knot. He enjoys watching libs try to deal with it.
I'm sure that's part of the reason.

[Donger]

Absolutely not.

If I'm right, I want you in this forum.

Every.

Single.

Day.

Do you have any interest in a signature or avatar bet?

How about starting a topic saying "I was wrong"?

The winner gets to write the words to the loser, and the loser has to start the topic, and copy and paste the words in the OP.

Now THAT would be fun...

That seems a bit silly, honestly. Clutter. If you aren't willing to remove yourself from the forum when you lose, I'll accept a gentlemanly, "I was wrong" in private.

[Direckshun]

That seems a bit silly, honestly. Clutter. If you aren't willing to remove yourself from the forum when you lose, I'll accept a gentlemanly, "I was wrong" in private.
Were I to agree to this, hell were to freeze over and Obama managed to win the election, I would receive that exact submission from you?

If that's correct, it's a deal. It's waaaay too pussified for my tastes, but I'll take what I can get.

[Donger]

Were I to agree to this, hell were to freeze over and Obama managed to win the election, I would receive that exact submission from you?

If that's correct, it's a deal. It's waaaay too pussified for my tastes, but I'll take what I can get.

Of course. I'd prefer the more robust consequence, but I understand your trepidation.

Pussy.

[Direckshun]

Of course. I'd prefer the more robust consequence, but I understand your trepidation.

Pussy.
It's a deal, then.

I have waaaaaaay too much fun ****ing with you people to want to leave.

And if I end up being right I want you here every single day.

[Donger]

And if I end up being right I want you here every single day.

If that's the case, you'd have more fun if McCain were elected.

[SHTSPRAYER]

FYP


So that church is lynching white folks and stuff, too?
Wow.

When was the last time a black person was lynched? :rolleyes:

[Sully]

When was the last time a black person was lynched? :rolleyes:

Does it matter?
Does that make your KKK comparison any less ridiculous?

[SHTSPRAYER]

You said: "I thought America was unfair to blacks. How did Michelle Obama get into Yale?"

I think you can see the disconnect in that statement. I was pointing out that Michelle's admission to Yale doesn't prove anything about your first sentence. If you had made the statement with legal recourse, that would have been one thing, but your statement was completely illogical and didn't prove anything. That's what I picked a bone with.

Fair enough. I just think black people throw the racism charge out way too much. I think 90% of what they say is racism is actually contempt. Now, why would white people who have contempt for blacks, have it?

I think another 5% is fear. Believe it or not, white people have had alot of bad experiences because of black crime and violence. YOu should cut them a little bit of slack as to why they think the way they do.

The other 5% is real racism. Nothing you can do, some people just have hatred in them.

[beer bacon]

Fair enough. I just think black people throw the racism charge out way too much. I think 90% of what they say is racism is actually contempt. Now, why would white people who have contempt for blacks, have it?

I think another 5% is fear. Believe it or not, white people have had alot of bad experiences because of black crime and violence. YOu should cut them a little bit of slack as to why they think the way they do.

The other 5% is real racism. Nothing you can do, some people just have hatred in them.

We could solve a lot of problems if black people would admit their mistakes and start paying reparations to all the poor, white people they have wronged.

[SHTSPRAYER]

We could solve a lot of problems if black people would admit their mistakes and start paying reparations to all the poor, white people they have wronged.

That would be a good start.

:clap:

[jettio]

Fair enough. I just think black people throw the racism charge out way too much. I think 90% of what they say is racism is actually contempt. Now, why would white people who have contempt for blacks, have it?

I think another 5% is fear. Believe it or not, white people have had alot of bad experiences because of black crime and violence. YOu should cut them a little bit of slack as to why they think the way they do.

The other 5% is real racism. Nothing you can do, some people just have hatred in them.

Nobody cares what a moron like you thinks. Go somewhere else and quit polluting our board with your uneducated and hateful stupidity.

This election has definitely turned chiefs planet into a place that long time members can no longer recommend to any new chiefs fans or friends that they meet as a cool place to discuss current events.

I am putting your ignorant imbecile azz on ignore and will keep you there for a very long time.

You ought to start attending a church or doing something better than making this place worse.

[SHTSPRAYER]

Nobody cares what a moron like you thinks. Go somewhere else and quit polluting our board with your uneducated and hateful stupidity.

This election has definitely turned chiefs planet into a place that long time members can no longer recommend to any new chiefs fans or friends that they meet as a cool place to discuss current events.

I am putting your ignorant imbecile azz on ignore and will keep you there for a very long time.

You ought to start attending a church or doing something better than making this place worse.


You're not really going to put me on ignore, are you?

:(

[Donger]

Nobody cares what a moron like you thinks. Go somewhere else and quit polluting our board with your uneducated and hateful stupidity.

This election has definitely turned chiefs planet into a place that long time members can no longer recommend to any new chiefs fans or friends that they meet as a cool place to discuss current events.

I am putting your ignorant imbecile azz on ignore and will keep you there for a very long time.

You ought to start attending a church or doing something better than making this place worse.

Heh. jettio calling out someone else for hate? Priceless.

[Donger]

You're not really going to put me on ignore, are you?

:(

jettio has issues with race.

[VAChief]

jettio has issues with racists.

Fixed your typo.

[Donger]

Fixed your typo.

He has issues with himself, too?

[Taco John]

Using his given, legal name is an "attack" now?



According to Red State dot com it is.

[SHTSPRAYER]

IS THIS TRUE OR NOT? TELL US THE FACTS PLEASE!

***Kenyan Prime Minister Raila Odinga is Barack Obama's blood cousin that he campaigned for in Kenya? There was a secret pact between Raila Odinga and radical Kenyan Muslims and then ethnic killings of Christians occurred? Kenya: 300,000 displaced, 1,200 Dead after Raila Odinga declared the election was rigged when he lost. Obama mysteriously will not discuss his familial or political relationship with Raila Odinga. We want to know...are they related, was Obama involved in Odinga's campaign, and was there any financial transfer between Obama and Odinga? Also, is it true that Raila Odinga is worth about Kshs. 4 billion from Saudi oil--after being introduced to Sheikh Abdukeder AlBakari? Is it true that Raila Odinga does oil business with Muammar al-Qadaffi? Is it true that Raila Odinga has strong political support and funds from Libya, Nigeria and South Africa? He does oil business with Canada too? Dick Morris hired by Raila Odinga?

--Reuters: Raila Odinga is Barack Obama's cousin. Watch report: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBJouPhws1M AND: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/7176683.stm AND: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2008/01/08/wkenya308.xml

--Here is a very, very good news clip of Barack Obama campaigning with Luo cousin Raila Odinga. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpvLV3d1Eq4 Obama seems to be heavily involved in the Kenya election process.

--As per compromise, on April 18, 2008, Luo tribe member Raila Odinga became the official Prime Minister of Kenya. Raila Odinga of the Orange Democratic Movement (ODM) initially ran for President against Kikuyu President Mwai Kibaki. During Odinga's run for the Presidency, he signed NAMLEF, an agreement with Muslim leaders of Kenya. Sheikh Abdullahi Abdi is one of Raila Odinga's backers whom he made the agreement with. (Raila Odinga says he is Anglican--not Muslim.) But this caused a great deal of controversy and it was widely reported that this NAMLEF (National Muslim Leaders Forum) pact included a plan for Sharia Law (Muslim customs and courts to be imposed on the will of the people). Here is the document: http://www.eakenya.org/AAEAKUpdate/RAILA_MUSLIM_MOU.pdf

-Kenya is a mainly Christian and Western embracing country, and a U.S. friend. This pact, this MuO disturbed the public in serious ways and people demanded to see the MuO, and then one was released with Sharia plans, but the Muslim leaders denied it was the original: http://www.eakenya.org/newsevents/article.htm?id=8 AND:
http://allafrica.com/stories/200711090811.html So, there was first a supposedly fake one and then a supposedly real one came out and some people thought the second was a cover-up, which caused a lot of uncertainty. Then, once Raila Odinga lost to Kibaki, Odinga claimed that the election was rigged, and he called for protests, including a Million Man March. The subsequent post-election result left 300,000 people displaced and over 1,200 Kenyans killed. http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/E06B539F-AB6E-4CCA-9BEA-7D9E42ED0E6D.htm

--Ethnic cleansing was a part of these killings. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22460182/ And also: http://www.thestar.com/News/World/article/290390Kibaki's loyal Christians were set on fire in churches and hacked with machetes in the streets by Raila Odinga's Muslim backers, and also much of his Luo tribe of which Barack Obama's family belongs. In some articles, Raila Odinga has been openly labeled as a "jihadist," and also as a criminal: Reuters: http://www.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idUSL0459213120071006 "Odinga was jailed for a total of eight years on separate occasions by former president Moi for protesting against one-party rule. After the coup bid, he was briefly charged with treason, before fleeing to Norway for a brief period of exile." Raila Odinga claims that he never had a trial before prison. Raila Odinga was educated in communist East Germany, and his father Jaramogi Oginga Odinga (1969 Kenyan Vice President) led the Soviet and Chinese communist movement in Kenya during the Cold War. Raila Odinga's first son is named Fidel Castro. Furthermore, Barack Obama's half brother Abongo "Roy" Obama is described practicing Muslim who is anti-American and anti-West and encourages Barack Obama to fully embrace his African roots. One mention is here: http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/obama/familytree/545461,BSX-News-wotreex09.stng For some reason, I see words like "militant," and "marxist" attributed to Abongo "Roy" Obama in the blogosphere as well. Also published from Andy Martin is a description of Barack Obama's father and it is different than the poor goat-hearding story Barack Obama has told and retold: "The 'goat herder' claim has been repeated endlessly. It is a lie. Fact: Obama's grandfather, Hussein Onyango Obama was a prominent and wealthy farmer. His son, Obama's father, was a child of privilege, not privation. He was an outstanding student, not a herdsman...Fiction: Obama was given an 'African' name. Fact: Obama is a Muslim who has concealed his religion... His grandfather was named 'Hussein.' That is an Arabic-Muslim, not African, name. Hussein was a devout Muslim and named his son, Barack Senior, 'Baraka.' Baraka is an Arabic word meaning 'blessed.' Baraka comes out of the Koran and Arabic, not Africa...Barack Senior was also a devoted Muslim, and also chose a Muslim name for his son, our own Barack Obama, Junior. Again, his name was an Arabic and Koranic...Fiction: Obama Senior was a harmless student 'immigrant' who came to the United States only to study. Fact: Obama was part of one of the most corrupt and violent organizations in Africa: the Kenyatta regime. Obama's father ran back to Kenya soon after the British left. It is likely Obama's father had Mau Mau sympathies or connections, or he would not have been welcomed into the murderous inner circle of rapists, murderers, and arsonists." http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1189687/posts

--Also. Here. See this blog in which the author expresses concern on whether or not the MuO meant that Muslim regions in Kenya would be a haven for Al-Qaeda, which have been reported in the past to be right next door in Mogadishu, Somalia. http://iperceive.net/obama-odinga-the-kenyan-jihad/