Obama Target of Assassination

[BigCatDaddy]

I wondered why no BigDaddy post lately.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080807/ap_on_el_pr/obama_threat

MIAMI - A man who authorities said was keeping weapons and military-style gear in his hotel room and car appeared in court Thursday on charges he threatened to assassinate Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama.


Raymond Hunter Geisel, 22, was arrested by the Secret Service on Saturday in Miami and was ordered held at Miami's downtown detention center without bail Thursday by a federal magistrate.

A Secret Service affidavit charges that Geisel made the threat during a training class for bail bondsmen in Miami in late July. According to someone else in the 48-member class, Geisel allegedly referred to Obama with a racial epithet and continued, "If he gets elected, I'll assassinate him myself."

Obama was most recently in Florida on Aug. 1-2 but did not visit the South Florida area.

Another person in the class quoted Geisel as saying that "he hated George W. Bush and that he wanted to put a bullet in the president's head," according to the Secret Service.

Geisel denied in a written statement to a Secret Service agent that he ever made those threats, and the documents don't indicate that he ever took steps to carry out any assassination. He was charged only with threatening Obama, the presumptive Democratic nominee, but not for any threat against President Bush.

Geisel's court-appointed attorney declined comment.

In the interview with a Secret Service agent, Geisel said "if he wanted to kill Senator Obama he simply would shoot him with a sniper rifle, but then he claimed that he was just joking," according to court documents.

A search of Geisel's 1998 Ford Explorer and hotel room in Miami uncovered a loaded 9mm handgun, knives, dozens of rounds of ammunition including armor-piercing types, body armor, military-style fatigues and a machete. The SUV was wired with flashing red and yellow emergency lights.

Geisel told the Secret Service he was originally from Bangor, Maine, and had been living recently in a houseboat in the Florida Keys town of Marathon, according to court documents. He said he used the handgun for training for the bail bondsman class, had the knives for protection and used the machete to cut brush in Maine.

In the affidavit, the Secret Service said Geisel told agents that he suffered from psychiatric problems including post-traumatic stress disorder, but he couldn't provide the names of any facilities where he sought treatment.

[Direckshun]

Well, that was inevitable.

[Donger]

That sucks. He threatened Bush, too?

[mlyonsd]

I can't imagine the turmoil we'd go through as a country if something like that was successful. Argh.

[little jacob]

...uncovered a loaded 9mm handgun, knives, dozens of rounds of ammunition including armor-piercing types, body armor, military-style fatigues and a machete. The SUV was wired with flashing red and yellow emergency lights.


1. Well, he wouldn't get very far with just that stuff.

2. Where could he have gotten armor piercing ammunition?

3. A machete?

[Ultra Peanut]

That sucks. He threatened Bush, too?The crazies don't necessarily have to be choosy.

[jAZ]

That sucks. He threatened Bush, too?

As much as I dispise the policies and practices of this administration, I wish the man no personal harm.

Glad they got this guy on both counts.

[Donger]

Do you guys think that if Barack Hussein wins the election, he's more likely to be the target of loonies than, say, McCain would be? I remember that Powell's wife was terrified about it.

I'd like to think there's a huge disconnect between racists not voting for Barack Hussein because he's black and wanting to kill him for it.

[Ultra Peanut]

Do you guys think that if Barack Hussein wins the election, he's more likely to be the target of loonies than, say, McCain would be? I remember that Powell's wife was terrified about it.

I'd like to think there's a huge disconnect between racists not voting for Barack Hussein because he's black and wanting to kill him for it.There really aren't that many racists out there willing to **** up their lives just because they hate that uppity negro in the White House.

It's completely unhinged people who attempt stuff like this, and their motivations are less ideological and more batshit ****ing crazy.

[Donger]

There really aren't that many racists out there willing to **** up their lives just because they hate that uppity negro in the White House.

It's completely unhinged people who attempt stuff like this, and their motivations are less ideological and more batshit ****ing crazy.

Is that a no?

[Ultra Peanut]

Is that a no?Yes. I mean no.

I mean

[Donger]

Yes. I mean no.

I mean

Why the silliness?

[Ultra Peanut]

Why the silliness?Why-a so serious?

http://i38.tinypic.com/v4q6tc.jpg

"Any man who hides behind a maschk is either incredibly ugly, incredibly stupid, or is-a the Batman! And you, sir, are not the Batman!"

[Ari Chi3fs]

I can't imagine the turmoil we'd go through as a country if something like that was successful. Argh.

why do you think Hillary is 'keeping her name" in the election mix.

[Bowser]

Why-a so serious?

http://i38.tinypic.com/v4q6tc.jpg

"Any man who hides behind a maschk is either incredibly ugly, incredibly stupid, or is-a the Batman! And you, sir, are not the Batman!"

LMAO

[Programmer]

Think about this one point. Who in their right mind is going to hatch a plan like that and tell someone about it?

If this is legitimate the guy will be in some mental hospital for a long time. Otherwise it could be nothing more than a planned/planted happening to bring out the vote. If the conservatives want him shot then he must be on the right track.

I think this is all a setup event for the season of politics

[little jacob]

Think about this one point. Who in their right mind is going to hatch a plan like that and tell someone about it?

If this is legitimate the guy will be in some mental hospital for a long time. Otherwise it could be nothing more than a planned/planted happening to bring out the vote. If the conservatives want him shot then he must be on the right track.

I think this is all a setup event for the season of politics

Well, by the Bush comment it sounds like he was an equal opportunity nut.

Having the gun and body armor might just be part of his being a bail bondsman as he says. It doesn't look like he actually took any steps to carry out a plan.

Racists might talk a big game but in my experience they are generally a bunch of p_ssies

[little jacob]

in a similar way i'm surprised there hasn't been a plot against Bush during all this time. if he is this unpopular and this hated, you'd think there would be some nut who had tried it by now. there are just as many delusional Bush haters as there are racists in the country. no racists so far are dumb/crazy enough to do something but none of the militant anti-Bush types seem to be either.

maybe it's a testament to the job our law enforcement and security people do. i have seen the last two presidents speak as well as some candidates and security was so high i dont know how you would even attempt it. i also knew someone a number of years ago who worked doing advance work for visits by a prominent politician who you would all know the name of, and they are there well in advance planning security and making sure no one who hasn't been passed through control can even get a glimpse of the person.

it's not like the airport. the last time i went to one of these they walked me through metal detectors, someone else put the wand on me, there were dogs, they examined by hand the contents of my wallet and every last thing i had on me. they even took the soles out of my shoes and examined those. I have a hard time thinking it would even be possible for a lone nut to do it.

[SHTSPRAYER]

Whatever happened to the screwball who wanted to kill Hillary?

[SportsRacer]

Whatever happened to the screwball who wanted to kill Hillary?

Bill Clinton was on Good Morning America just today.

[VAChief]

Think about this one point. Who in their right mind is going to hatch a plan like that and tell someone about it?

If this is legitimate the guy will be in some mental hospital for a long time. Otherwise it could be nothing more than a planned/planted happening to bring out the vote. If the conservatives want him shot then he must be on the right track.

I think this is all a setup event for the season of politics

And you wonder why no one takes you seriously in here?

[Donger]

Think about this one point. Who in their right mind is going to hatch a plan like that and tell someone about it?

If this is legitimate the guy will be in some mental hospital for a long time. Otherwise it could be nothing more than a planned/planted happening to bring out the vote. If the conservatives want him shot then he must be on the right track.

I think this is all a setup event for the season of politics

You think this guy is a Barack Hussein plant?

To answer your question, any wacko who isn't a professional would be my guess.

[BucEyedPea]

Why do all the psychopaths live in Florida or spend time there just before they hatch these murderous plots?:(

[StcChief]

Why do all the psychopaths live in Florida or spend time there just before they hatch these murderous plots?:(

living with bugs, 'gators, rednecks, old-folks, tourists.... oh and Hurricanes, daily rain storm.... I'd be nuts too.

[ROYC75]

Bill Clinton was on Good Morning America just today.

ROFL

[Guru]

Bet this thread is flagged by the secret service, FBI and CIA.

[Programmer]

And you wonder why no one takes you seriously in here?
The fact that you feel the possibliity is not there indicates that you don't have a grip on reality.

Are you dumb enough to think someone is going to plan something like that and then talk about it?

It may not be someone related to the Obama campaign, but you don't know that.

[Programmer]

You think this guy is a Barack Hussein plant?

To answer your question, any wacko who isn't a professional would be my guess.

I don't know if it would b plant, but in the society today I wouldn't discount the possibility.

[Ultra Peanut]

I don't know if it would b plant, but in the society today I wouldn't discount the possibility.Obama must be like Johnny Appleseed, what with him planting protestors, and people who desperately want to sing the Pledge, and people carrying guns with plans to try to kill him..

[Programmer]

Obama must be like Johnny Appleseed, what with him planting protestors, and people who desperately want to sing the Pledge, and people carrying guns with plans to try to kill him..

Like I said, I don't know if the threat was from a whacko or from someone seriously considering the act, or if it was from someone placed in the position to get the attention of the nation.

I discount nothing and question everything.

[Ultra Peanut]

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[SHTSPRAYER]

Like I said, I don't know if the threat was from a whacko or from someone seriously considering the act, or if it was from someone placed in the position to get the attention of the nation.



Would you volunteer to do that? Have something like that on your record for the rest of your life?

[Programmer]

Would you volunteer to do that? Have something like that on your record for the rest of your life?

No, I wouldn't. There are some that will strap a bomb to themselves and kill innocent people to furthe their cause.

[Programmer]

Hahahahaha etc...

So you are going to believe everything and never question someone's motives?

I have a bridge in Brooklyn for sale ... cheap. Send the money.

[SHTSPRAYER]

No, I wouldn't. There are some that will strap a bomb to themselves and kill innocent people to furthe their cause.

I hear ya, but I'm not feeling that in this case.

[Programmer]

I hear ya, but I'm not feeling that in this case.


I don't think that's the case either, but why all of a sudden does this guy get noticed when he made the same threat about Bush and there was no action?

He was not charged with a threat to a sitting president, but was charged with a threat to a candidate.

Does that not raise some questions?

[SHTSPRAYER]

I don't think that's the case either, but why all of a sudden does this guy get noticed when he made the same threat about Bush and there was no action?

He was not charged with a threat to a sitting president, but was charged with a threat to a candidate.

Does that not raise some questions?

Well, the fact that the guy threatened Bush too, gives more weight to my argument.

Why the media is only reporting it as a threat to Obama, well, I think you already know the answer to that.

[HonestChieffan]

I wish we could avoid threads that even deal with this topic in any situation...just seems inappropriate and brings out the kooks and nutbags.

Just my opinion

[SHTSPRAYER]

I wish we could avoid threads that even deal with this topic in any situation...just seems inappropriate and brings out the kooks and nutbags.

Just my opinion

ROFL

[Programmer]

Well, the fact that the guy threatened Bush too, gives more weight to my argument.

Why the media is only reporting it as a threat to Obama, well, I think you already know the answer to that.

I do know why, but I think the most damning threat would be to a sitting president, regardless of what the media thinks about him.

[Programmer]

I wish we could avoid threads that even deal with this topic in any situation...just seems inappropriate and brings out the kooks and nutbags.

Just my opinion

Thanks, I respect your opinion too.

[little jacob]

Like I said, I don't know if the threat was from a whacko or from someone seriously considering the act, or if it was from someone placed in the position to get the attention of the nation.

I discount nothing and question everything.

It doesn't say he had 'plans'. It just said he made a threat and happened to own a gun, which could be related to his job.

If someone thinks this one kook was a threat because he owned a (relatively small caliber) pistol... i dont know what to tell them. The chances of this one guy actually doing it with that weapon are nil.

[BIG_DADDY]

I wondered why no BigDaddy post lately.



I'm still here brother. :thumb:

[BigCatDaddy]

I'm still here brother. :thumb:

Glad to hear it! Wouldn't be the same without you :)

[BIG_DADDY]

Glad to hear it! Wouldn't be the same without you :)

Appreciate that. The needle dicks from the Obamamania camp just burned me out. I am also super friggen busy right now and can only type with one hand. I major surgery on my left shoulder 9 days ago.

[SHTSPRAYER]

Appreciate that. The needle dicks from the Obamamania camp just burned me out.

Drink Red Bull. That's what I do.

[HolmeZz]

Appreciate that. The needle dicks from the Obamamania camp just burned me out. I am also super friggen busy right now and can only type with one hand. I major surgery on my left shoulder 9 days ago.

How long before you can start beating off to dog porn again?

[BIG_DADDY]

How long before you can start beating off to dog porn again?

I'm really bummed. As most people here know I have trained hard my whole life and compete in the biggest jiu-jitsu tournaments in the country. I went to who I believe to be the top orthopedic surgeon in the country Dr. Arthur Ting who I have done some things with in the past. He said my shoulder is just short of needing to be entirely replaced. Major cartilage damage, bone spurs all over and a completely shredded rotator cuff. He also filed it down to cut back on arthritis. He told me I can never lift heavy again or compete. A lifetime of motorcycles, martial arts and heavy lifting have turned BIG DADDY into a grumpy old man. 10 weeks till I am supposed to be able to raise my hand above my head again.

[Sully]

I'm really bummed. As most people here know I have trained hard my whole life and compete in the biggest jiu-jitsu tournaments in the country. I went to who I believe to be the top orthopedic surgeon in the country Dr. Arthur Ting who I have done some things with in the past. He said my shoulder is just short of needing to be entirely replaced. Major cartilage damage, bone spurs all over and a completely shredded rotator cuff. He also filed it down to cut back on arthritis. He told me I can never lift heavy again or compete. A lifetime of motorcycles, martial arts and heavy lifting have turned BIG DADDY into a grumpy old man. 10 weeks till I am supposed to be able to raise my hand above my head again.

That sucks, man. I'm truly sorry to hear it. you'll be in my prayers.

[bunnytrdr]

I'm really bummed. As most people here know I have trained hard my whole life and compete in the biggest jiu-jitsu tournaments in the country. I went to who I believe to be the top orthopedic surgeon in the country Dr. Arthur Ting who I have done some things with in the past. He said my shoulder is just short of needing to be entirely replaced. Major cartilage damage, bone spurs all over and a completely shredded rotator cuff. He also filed it down to cut back on arthritis. He told me I can never lift heavy again or compete. A lifetime of motorcycles, martial arts and heavy lifting have turned BIG DADDY into a grumpy old man. 10 weeks till I am supposed to be able to raise my hand above my head again.
You just got way too much pussy too.

I hear that is murder on your shoulders. ;)

[BIG_DADDY]

That sucks, man. I'm truly sorry to hear it. you'll be in my prayers.


Thanks.

[go bowe]

It doesn't say he had 'plans'. It just said he made a threat and happened to own a gun, which could be related to his job.

If someone thinks this one kook was a threat because he owned a (relatively small caliber) pistol... i dont know what to tell them. The chances of this one guy actually doing it with that weapon are nil.i dunno...

ask lee harvey oswald or even better ask ronald reagan, they were both shot with a pistol at close range despite fairly heavy security...

oh, and it was the same deal with bobby, killed by a handgun...

besides, just uttering a threat against the president is a crime, just saying the words even without taking any action to implement the threat...

apparently that law covers the presidential candidates as well since hussein isn't the president yet... :p :p :p

[StcChief]

i dunno...

ask lee harvey oswald or even better ask ronald reagan, they were both shot with a pistol at close range despite fairly heavy security...

oh, and it was the same deal with bobby, killed by a handgun...

besides, just uttering a threat against the president is a crime, just saying the words even without taking any action to implement the threat...

apparently that law covers the presidential candidates as well since hussein isn't the president yet... :p :p :pand again it's not if it's when.
lotta KKK, pro-military, skinheads etc. I just don't see how it's not inevitable.

the rose colored glasses crowd that all for what America could be, as opposed to what it really is will be saddened again. I would be very afraid, vigilante and not wanting to be in those shoes.

[SHTSPRAYER]

and again it's not if it's when.
lotta KKK, pro-military, skinheads etc. I just don't see how it's not inevitable.



I agree that all it takes is one lone maniac, but I don't see it as "inevitable". KKK, skinheads et al are a lunatic fringe. Looking at the big picture, they are negligible.

[Otter]

This is pure gold.

ROFL

[SHTSPRAYER]

I just read my latest chain mail, and this has been debunked by snopes and wikapeida.

[little jacob]

i dunno...

ask lee harvey oswald or even better ask ronald reagan, they were both shot with a pistol at close range despite fairly heavy security...

oh, and it was the same deal with bobby, killed by a handgun...


Well, that was almost 30 and 50 years ago. You couldn't get that close to him today. It probably wasn't even Oswald.. if he made those shots he should have been winning gold medals at the olympics or something.

[Smed1065]

and again it's not if it's when.
lotta KKK, pro-military, skinheads etc. I just don't see how it's not inevitable.

the rose colored glasses crowd that all for what America could be, as opposed to what it really is will be saddened again. I would be very afraid, vigilante and not wanting to be in those shoes.

Someone has to win the lottery as well.
Guess it does not happen because of the odds.

Hillary did not mean to plant the seed. :eek:

[StcChief]

Someone has to win the lottery as well.
Guess it does not happen because of the odds.

Hillary did not mean to plant the seed. :eek:

yeah. Hillary doesn't matter this was way before her it's been going on since civil war. 240+ years it hasn't changed alot just more underground now.

Keep those rose colors on.... it's what America could be, not really what it is

[Hydrae]

Well, that was almost 30 and 50 years ago. You couldn't get that close to him today. It probably wasn't even Oswald.. if he made those shots he should have been winning gold medals at the olympics or something.

I am quite sure the reference was to Oswald being shot by Jack Ruby. He didn't shoot JFK with a handgun. ROFL