War: Russia invades Georgia

[little jacob]

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article4486208.ece

Russia sent troops and dozens of tanks into the breakaway Georgian province of South Ossetia today, throwing the two former Soviet neighbours into a sudden yet undeclared state of war.

In the most serious regional crisis since the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991, at least 50 tanks – and possibly many more – rumbled through the Roki tunnel, which cuts through the Caucasus mountains separating South Ossetia from the Russian province of North Ossetia.

"One hundred and fifty Russian tanks, armoured personnel carriers and other vehicles have entered South Ossetia,” President Saakashvili of Georgia told reporters in Tbilisi. “This is a clear intrusion on another country’s territory. We have Russian tanks on our territory, jets on our territory in broad daylight."

Mr Saakashvili added that Georgian forces had downed two Russian jet fighters over Georgian territory.

Georgia mobilised its reservists yesterday and launched a military offensive to regain control over South Ossetia, which broke away from Georgia after it gained independence.

Fighting raged today around the city of Tskhinvali, the South Ossetian capital, as Georgian troops backed by tanks and warplanes pounded separatist forces, who are mostly Russian citizens backed by Moscow. This afternoon as the Russian tanks rolled in, Georgian officials declared that they had secured the city.

“We cannot allow the deaths of our countrymen to go unpunished. The guilty parties will receive the punishment they deserve," President Medvedev of Russia told a meeting of his security council in the Kremlin. “I am obliged to protect the lives and dignity of Russian citizens, no matter where they are located.”

Mr Medvedev's predecessor, Vladimir Putin, now Prime Minister, warned on a visit to Beijing, where he had been due to attend the Olympic opening ceremony, that the Georgian action would bring "retaliatory measures".

South Ossetian officials said that much of Tskhinvali had been destroyed in the Georgian offensive. A Reuters correspondent some two miles from the city said that the roar of warplanes and the explosions of heavy shells was deafening and many houses were ablaze.

The area is of strategic importance, largely because of the BTC oil pipeline, which runs through central Georgia just south of the breakaway region. The pipeline – which features in the 1999 James Bond film The World is Not Enough – pumps around one per cent of global crude supplies from the Caspian to the Turkish port of Ceyhan for export to Western Europe but is already closed because of an attack in Turkey last week by the Kurdish separatist organisation PKK.

Mr Saakashvili, a US-educated lawyer who succeeded Eduard Shevardnadze in 2004 and has since tried to align it more closely to the West, compared the Russian action with the invasion of Afghanistan in 1979 and appealed to the outside world to intervene.

“Russia is fighting a war with us in our own territory," he told CNN as Russian armour rolled into South Ossetia.

“It’s not about Georgia anymore. It’s about America, its values: we are a freedom-loving nation that is right now under attack.”

Both Nato and the White House appealed for an end to the fighting as international diplomacy went into overdrive. The International Committee of the Red Cross called for the establishment of a "humanitarian corridor" through South Ossetia.

Tensions between Georgia and Russia have been rising over the last few months over the two breakaway republics of South Ossetia and Abkhazia.

Georgia accuses Russia of fermenting trouble in both regions and supporting the separatist governments as a way to put pressure on Georgia and foil its attempts to join Nato. Russia has given out passports to a majority of South Ossetians and Abkhazians. The UN Security Council met to discuss the situation this morning but failed to agree on a Russian statement calling on both sides to renounce force.

The Russian envoy to the UN, Vitaliy Churkin, described Georgia's actions as "treacherous".

"The situation in the conflict zone has reached a dramatic line," he told the council. "Civilians, old people and children are under massive artillery shelling from Grad rocket systems, guns and large-calibre mortars."

[Donger]

Good. I hate Georgia, especially Atlanta's airport.

[Direckshun]

Don't really know what to make of this yet.

[little jacob]

Good. I hate Georgia, especially Atlanta's airport.

If it were Atlanta being attacked, the city would be destroyed because Delta wouldn't be able to get any planes in the air for 3 or 4 more hours.

[SBK]

Traffic is really gonna suck today. Er, is this a different GA?

[Ultra Peanut]

SAVE US CLINT MATHIS

YOU'RE OUR ONLY HOPE

[little jacob]

Don't really know what to make of this yet.

In my opinion, Russia is headed back to authoritarian government, and they intend to reclaim 'their' lost territory and restore it to what they perceive as the Soviet Union's former glory.

[Redrum_69]

REPOST

[Redrum_69]

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=188741

[little jacob]

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=188741

your thread is in the wrong forum and has a stupid title that absolves me of any responsibility to know this was a repost, you empty-headed animal food trough wiper.

[Redrum_69]

your thread is in the wrong forum and has a stupid title that absolves me of any responsibility to know this was a repost, you empty-headed animal food trough wiper.


oh?

why dont you tell your camel hoof of a mom I said I'll bring by the shake and bake tonight, you down trodden troll of a trailertrash whore

[Redrum_69]

your thread is in the wrong forum and has a stupid title that absolves me of any responsibility to know this was a repost, you empty-headed animal food trough wiper.


a repost is a repost, if you had searched on say...i dont know...RUSSIA or TANKS..then you wouldnt have noobed out and made a mistake, but youre a noobbitch so go ride a bike and look for chicks

[little jacob]

a repost is a repost, if you had searched on say...i dont know...RUSSIA or TANKS..then you wouldnt have noobed out and made a mistake, but youre a noobbitch so go ride a bike and look for chicks

i don't care if it's a repost. if that upsets you then perhaps your mother can give you some affection. she's very skilled.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

i don't care if it's a repost. if that upsets you then perhaps your mother can give you some affection. she's very skilled.

Just shut the f*ck up and talk about the issue at hand. Jesus Christ. :shake:

[StcChief]

Get some Vodka and talk it out.

[ROYC75]

BHO will save the day ........ the calls have been made.

[StcChief]

BHO will save the day ........ the calls have been made.how is that gonna happen....

they Russkies/Georgians won't go for the OE40's and KingCobra 40s.

[Ultra Peanut]

Video games can see the future:


Ghost Recon begins in 2008, with civil unrest in Russia. Ultra-nationalists have seized power in Moscow, with plans to rebuild the Iron Curtain. Their first step is clandestine support of rebel factions in Georgia and the Baltic States. This is where the Ghosts come in: to silence the rebellion. Armed with some of the most advanced weaponry in the world, the soldiers of the Ghost Recon force are covertly inserted into Eastern Europe and given specific missions to curtail the rebel actions and overthrow their benefactors.
. . .
During the first few missions of the game, the Ghosts battle South Ossetian rebel forces from the north of Georgia, who are harassing the legitimate government and its allies. The Ghosts fight in the forests, on farms, and in villages while assisting their NATO allies in fighting the enemy. Unfortunately, the Russian government complains to the United Nations that the Americans have interfered in their affairs, and eventually they send in their army to aid the South Ossetian rebels. The U.S. cannot hope to stop the Russian Army from invading Georgia, so the Ghosts slow down the invading forces so that their allies can evacuate. Eventually, the Ghosts are all that's left of the U.S. forces in Georgia, and they evacuate by SH-60 Seahawk helicopter on the rooftop of the American Embassy in T'bilisi, just barely avoiding the Russian forces. The Georgian government flees to Geneva and sets up a government-in-exile. Sadly, with the fall of T'bilisi, Georgia surrenders and is forcefully incorporated into the RDU.

[Donger]

Georgia isn't a full NATO member, are they?

[Redrum_69]

http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1830590,00.html?cnn=yes

[Ultra Peanut]

Saakashvili is really really really really really really pushing the "USA is wonderful! We love freedom and democracy and diversity and puppies!" angle in the hopes that we'll lift a finger to stop Georgia from getting the shit kicked out of them.

Georgia isn't a full NATO member, are they?Not yet.

[Ultra Peanut]

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[Ultra Peanut]

Honestly, as little as I like Russia, I think the Georgians have just successfully baited them into looking like an aggressor, even if Georgia technically started it.

This is going to strain the **** out of US-Russia relations.

[Donger]

Not yet.

Good.

[Ultra Peanut]

Honestly, as little as I like Russia, I think the Georgians have just successfully baited them into looking like an aggressor, even if Georgia technically started it.Well, maybe not successfully.

They bombed the shit out of civilians, tried to make Russia look like the baddest of both of the bad guys involved, saw fighting spark up in Abkhazia, and then said, "Uhhhhhhh guys, CEASEFIRE NOW PLEASE?!"

Smooth.

[BucEyedPea]

Well if Lincoln is a hero for his invasion of the southern states then we should just yawn.
The nerve of them seceding and wanting independence.

[jettio]

BHO will save the day ........ the calls have been made.


Obama is a lot smarter and more talented than you, and there is nothing stopping you from running for office.

Obama is a lot better qualified for the job than anyone you have ever voted for, and he will do a great job.

You have no basis for calling Obama dumb, he is far more intelligent than you.

[little jacob]

Obama is a lot better qualified for the job than anyone you have ever voted for, and he will do a great job.


if only i could be a 'community organizer', then i could be president.

[BigChiefDave]

Obama is a lot smarter and more talented than you,



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:D

[banyon]

Well if Lincoln is a hero for his invasion of the southern states then we should just yawn.
The nerve of them seceding and wanting independence.

Yeah, if only we could reverse the results of the Civil War, things would be so much better, sigh. :rolleyes:

[jettio]

if only i could be a 'community organizer', then I could be president.

There is nothing stopping you from running. You think you are so much better able to determine qualifications than the people who have voted for and support Obama.

Who have you voted for in the past?

Obama has the smarts and the morals for the job. There is nobody that has run for President in my lifetime that exceeds him in those two areas combined.

Clinton may be as intelligent, but he has less moral scruples. Clinton and Obama both made it largely on their own without trading on their family name and both of their fathers were not there to raise them and died young.

B*sh II is simply under-equipped mentally and morally. He is the purest failure as President in our nation's history, and he failed in all of his business dealings until his figurehead role with the Texas Rangers. B*sh II would be nothing without his family name.

B*sh I had brains and some moral principles but he stepped out on his wife more than Johnny "Azz-wiggler" Edwards ever did, and he also continued the family traditon of making money dealing with unscrupulous people.

God smiled on Reagan, but he would admit that Obama is more intelligent and Reagan would vote for Obama before he would vote for McCain, the guy who crapped on his first wife, who was a personal friend of Ronald and Nancy Reagan.

When it comes down to it, little jacob, you and the other clowns know that you accuse Obama of being dumb and unqualified only because you just assume that someone with a darker complexion is not as smart as you, no matter what they have accomplished in life.

That is what it comes down to.

Go ahead and eat your heart out. Obama will win and he will do a good job, even though the sh*t head you voted for, B*sh II, will turn over the hugest clusterf*ck in the history of Presidential transitions.

[HolmeZz]

Well if Lincoln is a hero for his invasion of the southern states then we should just yawn.
The nerve of them seceding and wanting independence.

Still sore from that ass-kicking we gave you motherf*ckers? :)

[Ultra Peanut]

if only i could be a 'community organizer', then i could be president.If only I could be the president of the Harvard Law Review, a constitutional law scholar, and a senior lecturer at an extremely prestigious university. Then I could be president!

Alas, you're stuck on the farm picking cherries. You'll never be president. :-(

[BucEyedPea]

Still sore from that ass-kicking we gave you motherf*ckers? :)

I'm a northerner as are most Floridians.

But he is doing what Lincoln did. You can't deny that.

[HolmeZz]

I'm a northerner as are most Floridians.

CARPETBAGGER

[Demonpenz]

go dawgs

[Ultra Peanut]

I'm a northerner as are most Floridians.

But he is doing what Lincoln did. You can't deny that.The South hadn't been functioning independently for over a decade, and Lincoln's army didn't shoot cannons off at largely civilian targets.

[HolmeZz]

go dawgs

LMAO

[BucEyedPea]

The South hadn't been functioning independently for over a decade, and Lincoln's army didn't shoot cannons off at largely civilian targets.

None of what you just said is true. Sherman and other generals killed, often unecessarily civilians and raped women.

[BucEyedPea]

CARPETBAGGER

ROFL

[BucEyedPea]

Here ya' go Ultra Peanut:

Targeting Civilians (http://www.lewrockwell.com/dilorenzo/dilorenzo8.html) during the War of Northern Agression on the Southern States.

As early as the first major battle of the war, the Battle of First Manassas in July of 1861, federal soldiers were plundering and burning private homes in the Northern Virginia countryside. Such behavior quickly became so pervasive that on June 20, 1862 – one year into the war – General George McClellan, the commanding general of the Army of the Potomac, wrote Lincoln a letter imploring him to see to it that the war was conducted according to "the highest principles known to Christian civilization" and to avoid targeting the civilian population to the extent that that was possible. Lincoln replaced McClellan a few months later and ignored his letter.

Most Americans are familiar with General William Tecumseh Sherman’s "march to the sea" in which his army pillaged, plundered, raped, and murdered civilians as it marched through Georgia in the face of scant military opposition. But such atrocities had been occurring for the duration of the war; Sherman’s March was nothing new.

In The Hard Hand of War historian Mark Grimsley argues that Sherman has been unfairly criticized as the "father" of waging war on civilians because he "pursued a policy quite in keeping with that of other Union commanders from Missouri to Virginia." Fair enough. Why blame just Sherman when such practices were an essential part of Lincoln’s entire war plan and were routinely practiced by all federal commanders? Sherman was just the most zealous of all federal commanders in targeting Southern civilians, which is apparently why he became one of Lincoln’s favorite generals.

Sherman was not above randomly executing innocent civilians as part of his (and Lincoln’s) terror campaign. In October of 1864 he ordered a subordinate, General Louis Watkins, to go to Fairmount, Georgia, "burn ten or twelve houses" and "kill a few at random," and "let them know that it will be repeated every time a train is fired upon."

Another Sherman biographer, Lee Kennett, found that in Sherman’s army "the New York regiments were . . . filled with big city criminals and foreigners fresh from the jails of the Old World." Although it is rarely mentioned by "mainstream" historians, many acts of rape were committed by these federal soldiers. The University of South Carolina’s library contains a large collection of thousands diaries and letters of Southern women that mention these unspeakable atrocities.

Shermans’ band of criminal looters (known as "bummers") sacked the slave cabins as well as the plantation houses. As Grimsley describes it, "With the utter disregard for blacks that was the norm among Union troops, the soldiers ransacked the slave cabins, taking whatever they liked." A routine procedure would be to hang a slave by his neck until he told federal soldiers where the plantation owners’ valuables were hidden.

General Philip Sheridan is another celebrated "war hero" who followed in Sherman’s footsteps in attacking defenseless civilians. After the Confederate army had finally evacuated the Shenandoah Valley in the autumn of 1864 Sheridan’s 35,000 infantry troops essentially burned the entire valley to the ground. As Sheridan described it in a letter to General Grant, in the first few days he "destroyed over 2200 barns . . . over 70 mills . . . have driven in front of the army over 4000 head of stock, and have killed . . . not less than 3000 sheep. . . . Tomorrow I will continue the destruction."



Sherman himself admitted after the war that he was taught at West Point that he could be hanged for the things he did. But in war the victors always write the history and are never punished for war crimes, no matter how heinous. Only the defeated suffer that fate.

Everyone's a chickenhawk on past wars we just get to read about.

[HonestChieffan]

None of what you just said is true. Sherman and other generals killed, often unecessarily civilians and raped women.

Pure unadulterated Bullshit. If you had any knowledge of Sherman, the march to the sea, and his strategy, you would know as they made the march, not only did they avoid battles with known confederate armies, they did everything possible to avoid battles period. The Civilians were not raped and murdered in fact the effort was to destroy property, not human life.

I can recommend some excellent Biographies that you may find interesting and enlightening on Shermans approach to warfare.

[BucEyedPea]

Pure unadulterated Bullshit. If you had any knowledge of Sherman, the march to the sea, and his strategy, you would know as they made the march, not only did they avoid battles with known confederate armies, they did everything possible to avoid battles period. The Civilians were not raped and murdered in fact the effort was to destroy property, not human life.

I can recommend some excellent Biographies that you may find interesting and enlightening on Shermans approach to warfare.

It is not bullshit. You're looking at it only from a pov of military strategy. Lincoln's presidency is one of the most whitwashed of all our presidents. How bout you pick up libertarian and historian DiLorenzo's books like The Real Lincoln or Lincoln Unmasked. If not don't say what Russia is doing is much different.

Lincoln also jailed and shot war protestors in the North ( rent the movie Gangs of NY) as well a journalists and congressmen who opposed his war. Iirc over 13,000 political prisoners over a union that was intended to be voluntary and resulted in peaceful secession. The Framers of our Constitution rejected a provision to the Virginia Plan to use force should a state no longer want to remain in the Union. This is FACT!. In other words, made it voluntary.

I posted excerpts on this BB earlier from some of the newspapers at the time many of which, as well as many people, saw the Union as voluntary. There is no difference between the underlying principles of the Declaration of Independence when we seceded from Great Britain as that of the southern independence.

Lincoln was a corporate lawyer and those who helped fund him into office were northern industrialists who wanted a hi protective tariff going from 10-45% on the south. He was not interested in abolishing slavery, as he promised in other instances that he would preserve it for the south because he needed them in the Union for this tariff which was to subsidized RRs for northern industrialists. The South saw that it would hurt them and that the central govt was getting too big for it's britches.

BTW, that is a reason why the plains indians were also swept away after the end of that war...for these industrialist's RRs.

No wonder the Republican party is the party of Lincoln. Not much different than back then. It's only the Democratic party that bears no resemblence to it's heir Jefferson.

[alanm]

BHO will save the day ........ the calls have been made.
Putin would eat Barry for breakfast and shit him out before noon.

[Ultra Peanut]

I know about Sherman. Jesus Christ.

What I'm saying is that this is not even remotely the same sort of situation, and being happy that the United States of America didn't splinter up into a ton of separate autonomous countries doesn't mean you're not allowed to think what Georgia did was very foolish.

[HolmeZz]

Putin would eat Barry for breakfast and shit him out before noon.

So true. Barry would probably pull some really gay shit and claim that he's seen Putin's soul.

[NewPhin]

Putin would eat Barry for breakfast and shit him out before noon.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Considering our current CiC's stunning track record with Putin, I don't think that Cons have much room to take the high road on that subject.

[Ultra Peanut]

So true. Barry would probably pull some really gay shit and claim that he's seen Putin's soul.I bet Barry would let Medvedev feel his tummy if he asked really nicely.

[jettio]

Putin would eat Barry for breakfast and shit him out before noon.

Typical retarded conservative. You think that B*sh popping off his mouth is somehow effective.

B*sh has been a gutless p*ssy from the April 2001 incident with the collision of the American EP-3 and the Chinese fighter jet.

B*sh was a scared p*ssy at Tora Bora in October 2001 and did not let US troops get Bin Laden because he was afraid of the possible casualty counts.

And, B*sh has been a scared p*ssy in Iraq from start to finish, being afraid to fight like it is a war worth fighting. Once he found out there would be resistance, he never escalated the war to confront insurgents, he just let terrorists ruin the lives of the ordinary Iraqis.

I am so tired of having a commander in chief who is 110% chickensh*t and it will be great when stupid people like alanm who think that B*sh is some macho warrior don't get their way anymore.

alanm and B*sh, sorry weaklings with big mouths and no courage have been getting their way in our politics for too long. We can all be glad that those lily-livered big mouths get disappointed this year.

B*sh and McCain have been backing Georgia and advocating it to join NATO, it will be no surprise to see how chickensh*t they will act now.

[penchief]

Putin would eat Barry for breakfast and shit him out before noon.

Oh my God, that's funny. Must be you forgot how Bush melted in Putin's presence. Something about "looking into his eyes and knowing he could trust him." Oh, and let's not forget how tough Bush was when China returned our spy plane to us in pieces.

You righties have a selective memory. Especially when you want to apply a double standard. Especially when you want to make implications based on nothing more than your own prejudices. The facts say you should be making these claims against Bush, not Obama. Obama seems one hell of a lot shrewder than Bush when it comes to things like this.

[penchief]

Typical retarded conservative. You think that B*sh popping off his mouth is somehow effective.

B*sh has been a gutless p*ssy from the April 2001 incident with the collision of the American EP-3 and the Chinese fighter jet.

B*sh was a scared p*ssy at Tora Bora in October 2001 and did not let US troops get Bin Laden because he was afraid of the possible casualty counts.

And, B*sh has been a scared p*ssy in Iraq from start to finish, being afraid to fight like it is a war worth fighting. Once he found out there would be resistance, he never escalated the war to confront insurgents, he just let terrorists ruin the lives of the ordinary Iraqis.

I am so tired of having a commander in chief who is 110% chickensh*t and it will be great when stupid people like alanm who think that B*sh is some macho warrior don't get their way anymore.

alanm and B*sh, sorry weaklings with big mouths and no courage have been getting their way in our politics for too long. We can all be glad that those lily-livered big mouths get disappointed this year.

B*sh and McCain have been backing Georgia and advocating it to join NATO, it will be no surprise to see how chickensh*t they will act now.

Looks like you already addressed Bush's "toughness."