Time: McCain's "Left Behind" slurs attempt to brand Obama as Anti-Christ

[jAZ]

http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1830590,00.html?xid=rss-topstories

An Antichrist Obama in McCain Ad?
Friday, Aug. 08, 2008 By AMY SULLIVAN/WASHINGTON Charlton Heston as

It's not easy to make the infamous Willie Horton ad from the 1988 presidential campaign seem benign. But suggesting that Barack Obama is the Antichrist might just do it.

That's just what some outraged Christian supporters of the Democratic nominee are claiming John McCain's campaign did in an ad called "The One" that was recently released online. The Republican nominee's advisers brush off the charges, arguing that the spot was meant to be a "creative" and "humorous" way of poking fun at Obama's popularity by painting him as a self-appointed messiah. But even this innocuous interpretation of the ad — which includes images of Charlton Heston as Moses and culled clips that make Obama sound truly egomaniacal — taps into a conversation that has been gaining urgency on Christian radio, political blogs, and in widely-circulated email messages that accuse Obama of being the Antichrist.

The ad was the creation of Fred Davis, one of McCain's top media gurus, as well as a close friend of former Christian Coalition head Ralph Reed and the nephew of conservative Oklahoma Senator James Inhofe. It first caught the attention of Democrats familiar with the Left Behind series, a fictionalized account of the end time that debuted in the 1990s and has sold nearly 70 million books worldwide. "The language in there is so similar to the language in the Left Behind books," says Tony Campolo, a leading progressive evangelical speaker and author.

As the ad begins, the words "It should be known that in 2008 the world shall be blessed. They will call him The One" flash across the screen. The Antichrist of the Left Behind books is a charismatic young political leader named Nicolae Carpathia who founds The One World religion (slogan: "We are God") and promises to heal the world after a time of deep division. One of several Obama clips in the ad features the senator saying, "A nation healed, a world repaired. We are the ones that we've been waiting for."

The visual images in the ad, which Davis says has been viewed even more than the McCain's "Celeb" ad linking Obama to the likes of Paris Hilton and Britney Spears, also seem to evoke the cover art of several Left Behind books. But they're not the cartoonish images of clouds parting and shining light upon Obama that might be expected in an ad spoofing him as a messiah. Instead, the screen displays a sinister orange light surrounded by darkness and later the faint image of a staircase leading up to heaven.

Perhaps the most puzzling scene in the ad is an altered segment from The 10 Commandments that appears near the end. A Moses-playing Charlton Heston parts the animated waters of the Red Sea, out of which rises the quasi-presidential seal the Obama campaign used for a brief time earlier this summer before being mocked into retiring it. The seal, which features an eagle with wings spread, is not recognizable like the campaign's red-white-and-blue "O" logo. That confused Democratic consultant Eric Sapp until he went to his Bible and remembered that in the apocalyptic Book of Daniel, the Antichrist is described as rising from the sea as a creature with wings like an eagle.

Sapp knows that the phrasing and images could just be dismissed as a peculiar coincidence. After all, it was Oprah Winfrey who told an Iowa crowd that Obama was "the one!" But, he insists, "the frequency of these images and references don't make any sense unless you're trying to send the message that Obama could be the Antichrist." Mara Vanderslice, another Democratic consultant who handled religious outreach for the 2004 Kerry campaign, agrees. "If they wanted to be funny, if they really wanted to play up the idea that Obama thinks he's the Second Coming, there were better ways to do it," she says. "Why use these awkward lines like, 'And the world will receive his blessings'?"

Two months ago, Vanderslice founded a Democratic PAC called the Matthew 25 Network and soon noticed that the negative emails she received from conservative Christians fell into two general categories: abortion, and the assertion that Obama is the Antichrist. The cataloguing of similarities Obama shares with the Antichrist began nearly two years ago. But they picked up steam in February 2008 after he racked up a string of impressive primary victories. A Google search for "Obama" and "Antichrist" turns up more than 700,000 hits, including at least one blog dedicated solely to the topic. A more obscure search for "Obama" and "Nicolae Carpathia" yields a surprising 200,000 references.

It's not hard to see how some Obama-haters might be tempted to make the comparison. In the Left Behind books, Carpathia is a junior senator who speaks several languages, is beloved by people around the world and fawned over by a press corps that cannot see his evil nature, and rises to absurd prominence after delivering just one major speech. Hmmh. But serious Antichrist theorists don't stop there. Everything from Obama's left-handedness to his positive rhetoric to his appearance on the cover of this magazine has been cited as evidence of his true identity. One chain email claims that the Antichrist was prophesied to be "A man in his 40s of MUSLIM descent," which would indeed sound ominous if not for the fact that the Book of Revelation was written at least 400 years before the birth of Islam.

The speculation reached a fever pitch after Obama's European trip and the Berlin speech in which he called for global unity. Conservative Christian author Hal Lindsey declared in an essay on World Net Daily, "Obama is correct in saying that the world is ready for someone like him-a messiah-like figure, charismatic and glib...The Bible calls that leader the Antichrist. And it seems apparent that the world is now ready to make his acquaintance." The conservative website RedState.com now sells mugs and t-shirts that sport a large "O" with horns and the words "The Anti-Christ" underneath.

Even if a fraction of the Internet-using public engages in outrageous Antichrist speculation, feeding those extreme beliefs wouldn't seem to be an obvious political strategy. But McCain advisers are aware that one of the goals of Democratic outreach to evangelicals has been to simply neutralize their opposition. "You just have to take the edge off," says Michigan Democratic Party chair Mark Brewer, explaining why he spent much of a 2006 meeting with conservative pastors around his state. "Now that they've met me, they can see I don't have two horns and a tail."

A new TIME poll finds that the most conservative evangelicals are the least enthusiastic about McCain's candidacy. Convincing them that Obama does have two horns and a tail might be the best way of getting them to vote. That's what worries Campolo, who also sits on the Democratic party's platform committee. "Those books have created a subliminal language and I think judgments will be made unconsciously about Barack Obama," he says. "It scares the daylights out of me."

[ROYC75]

Lies ....... Blame Oprah, Not McCain, it's Obama's desire to be the one.

[ROYC75]

Plus it was some left winged calling the shots...........

[jAZ]

Lies ....... Blame Oprah, Not McCain, it's Obama's desire to be the one.

Oprah created the ad!!!!!

Got it.

[Donger]

Wait, I thought Bush was The Devil?

[Ultra Peanut]

Lies ....... Blame Oprah, Not McCain, it's Obama's desire to be the one.lol he an arrogant

[jAZ]

Plus it was some left winged dems calling the shots...........

Left winged dems created the ad!!!!!

Got it.

[jAZ]

Wait, I thought Bush was The Devil?

At least on this board, the vast majority (if not every) such claim was made by Republicans.

[ROYC75]

After all, it was Oprah Winfrey who told an Iowa crowd that Obama was "the one!"

Need more ?

[Donger]

At least on this board, the vast majority (if not every) such claim was made by Republicans.

What claim?

[markk]

This is patently absurd. No one is talking about this, save a couple of morons whom Obama supporters are more than happy to sensationalize and magnify as if they represent everyone.

"The One" has nothing to do with some sort of newspaper eschatology. It is a riff on the Obama cult of personality.

[jAZ]

What claim?
The claim you just made that "Bush was The Devil". Though I think the proper CP spelling is "da debil".

[ROYC75]

Left winged dems created the ad!!!!!

Got it.


I got carried awy on the dem part, I corrected it, some left wingist that took it as hurtful, insensitive.

Oprah started the " The One " crap .

[jAZ]

I got carried awy on the dem part, I corrected it, some left wingist that took it as hurtful, insensitive.

Oprah started the " The One " crap .

Already covered in the article.

Sapp knows that the phrasing and images could just be dismissed as a peculiar coincidence. After all, it was Oprah Winfrey who told an Iowa crowd that Obama was "the one!" But, he insists, "the frequency of these images and references don't make any sense unless you're trying to send the message that Obama could be the Antichrist." Mara Vanderslice, another Democratic consultant who handled religious outreach for the 2004 Kerry campaign, agrees. "If they wanted to be funny, if they really wanted to play up the idea that Obama thinks he's the Second Coming, there were better ways to do it," she says. "Why use these awkward lines like, 'And the world will receive his blessings'?"

[ROYC75]

Obots and One, The One, ware the ones we have been waiting for.

This is all on the Obama campaign and Oprah. The Republicans took to it to show how arrogant Obama is .

Typical BS, leave us alone politics.

[Donger]

The claim you just made that "Bush was The Devil". Though I think the proper CP spelling is "da debil".

Is GoBo a Republican?

Anyway, I probably should have said Reagan. I was pretty young, but I remember some of the loonies on the left adding up the numbers of Reagan's name (or something) and saying, "Look!! It adds up to 666!"

I suppose people can interpret that ad in many ways. I interpreted it as the McCain campaign making the case that Barack Hussein has a massive level of arrogance, nothing more.

[jAZ]

Is GoBo a Republican?
Yes.

[ROYC75]

One of several Obama clips in the ad features the senator saying, "A nation healed, a world repaired. We are the ones that we've been waiting for."

[jAZ]

I suppose people can interpret that ad in many ways. I interpreted it as the McCain campaign making the case that Barack Hussein has a massive level of arrogance, nothing more.
Have you ever heard the term "dog whistle politics"?

[Donger]

But, he insists, "the frequency of these images and references don't make any sense unless you're trying to send the message that Obama could be the Antichrist."[/I][/INDENT]

Nonsense.

[Donger]

Have you ever heard the term "dog whistle politics"?

No.

[jAZ]

No.
That explains a lot.

It's a topic I think is worthy of it's own thread. I've been wanting to discuss it around here for a while. I'll start that, but for now, I'll just post this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog-whistle_politics

Dog-whistle politics, also known as the use of code words, is a type of political campaigning or speechmaking employing coded language that appears to mean one thing to the general population but has a different or more specific meaning for a targeted subgroup of the audience. The term is usually used pejoratively by those that do not approve of the tactics. According to blogger Ian Welsh,

When you speak in code(...), most of the time the only people who hear and understand what you just said are the intended group, who have an understanding of the world and a use of words that is not shared by the majority of the population.[1]

The term is an analogy to dog whistles built in such a way that humans cannot hear them due to their high frequency, but dogs can.

[mcan]

Back when I was a christian (in my youth) there were plenty of people all around me that honestly thought Clinton was the anti-christ.



It makes me cry that people believe all this nonsense.

[ROYC75]

Is BHO the antichrist ? , " No", he isn't because BHO comes from the wrong country..... But there are many people that are harboring this claim he is due to his recent world tour and arrogance, Oprah's claim to " The One" and BHO's calling of the ones .

It is what it is, a slogan caused by his own followers.

[Donger]

That explains a lot.

It's a topic I think is worthy of it's own thread. I've been wanting to discuss it around here for a while. I'll start that, but for now, I'll just post this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog-whistle_politics

Dog-whistle politics, also known as the use of code words, is a type of political campaigning or speechmaking employing coded language that appears to mean one thing to the general population but has a different or more specific meaning for a targeted subgroup of the audience. The term is usually used pejoratively by those that do not approve of the tactics. According to blogger Ian Welsh,

When you speak in code(...), most of the time the only people who hear and understand what you just said are the intended group, who have an understanding of the world and a use of words that is not shared by the majority of the population.[1]

The term is an analogy to dog whistles built in such a way that humans cannot hear them due to their high frequency, but dogs can.

Have you heard of "tin foil hats"?

[ROYC75]

That explains a lot.

It's a topic I think is worthy of it's own thread. I've been wanting to discuss it around here for a while. I'll start that, but for now, I'll just post this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog-whistle_politics

Dog-whistle politics, also known as the use of code words, is a type of political campaigning or speechmaking employing coded language that appears to mean one thing to the general population but has a different or more specific meaning for a targeted subgroup of the audience. The term is usually used pejoratively by those that do not approve of the tactics. According to blogger Ian Welsh,

When you speak in code(...), most of the time the only people who hear and understand what you just said are the intended group, who have an understanding of the world and a use of words that is not shared by the majority of the population.[1]

The term is an analogy to dog whistles built in such a way that humans cannot hear them due to their high frequency, but dogs can.


Then it looks lie the DOG, ( Oprah ) whistled .......

[markk]

i love that they are taking him to task for trying to be everything to everyone and his empty speeches full of sweet nothings. hopefully they take him to task for groveling for Europe's approval as well.

this trojan horse campaign to get moderates to elect a far left liberal is a bad idea, I think. the other camp just needs to tell voters to look inside the trapdoor.

[Programmer]

At least on this board, the vast majority (if not every) such claim was made by Republicans.

Just say NO to drugs jaz. That comment is totally incorrect.

[Programmer]

Back when I was a christian (in my youth) there were plenty of people all around me that honestly thought Clinton was the anti-christ.



It makes me cry that people believe all this nonsense.

Anyone that is or was a Christian should know better than to accuse Clinton of being the Anti-Christ. He may be anti Christ in his actions, but he could never be confused with the description of the Anti-Christ.

[jAZ]

Have you heard of "tin foil hats"?
It's a widely adopted technique by all range of sophisticated politicians on both the left and right. To suggest that the concept is in anyway "tin foil hat" explains a great deal about where you are coming from on this board.

You really don't have much of an idea of what you are talking about.

[Programmer]

It's a widely adopted technique by all range of sophisticated politicians on both the left and right. To suggest that the concept is in anyway "tin foil hat" explains a great deal about where you are coming from on this board.

You really don't have much of an idea of what you are talking about.
...says the pot to the kettle.

[Donger]

It's a widely adopted technique by all range of sophisticated politicians on both the left and right. To suggest that the concept is in anyway "tin foil hat" explains a great deal about where you are coming from on this board.

You really don't have much of an idea of what you are talking about.

ROFL

Seriously, jAZ, if there really is some "coded language" in that ad, what makes you think that you know what its real purpose is?

[mlyonsd]

ROFL

Seriously, jAZ, if there really is some "coded language" in that ad, what makes you think that you know what its real purpose is?

You're forgetting he went to Top Gun political training school. He knows all the secret handshakes and everything. :)

[Donger]

You know, I thought this ad was a mistake when I first saw it. Now, I'm not so sure.

[markk]

It's a widely adopted technique by all range of sophisticated politicians on both the left and right. To suggest that the concept is in anyway "tin foil hat" explains a great deal about where you are coming from on this board.

You really don't have much of an idea of what you are talking about.

What is the name of the technique where you promote relentlessly the fringest one or two nuts saying something in hopes that the public will guilt-by-supposed-association your political enemies?

[markk]

ROFL

Seriously, jAZ, if there really is some "coded language" in that ad, what makes you think that you know what its real purpose is?

one of the most amusing things in the world is to see people who know nothing about religious people pontificate (no pun intended) on how religious people's minds work.

[ROYC75]

You know, I thought this ad was a mistake when I first saw it. Now, I'm not so sure.


Seriously, I thought the ad was dead on with the way Obama and the likes are presenting themselves.

Calling it like I see it..........

[Donger]

one of the most amusing things in the world is to see people who know nothing about religious people pontificate (no pun intended) on how religious people's minds work.

Well, now that liberals have brought it up, maybe a closer examination is required?

Could Barack Hussein actually be the Anti-Christ? Is there a checklist or something?

[|Zach|]

This campaign tactic got me my 5th grade student council spot.

Just sayin...

It can work.

[|Zach|]

Plus it was some left winged calling the shots...........

Is this a sentence?

[markk]

Well, now that liberals have brought it up, maybe a closer examination is required?

Could Barack Hussein actually be the Anti-Christ? Is there a checklist or something?

Most evangelicals in the United States believe in a future fulfillment of that (the 'left behind' version if you will).

The most widespread view would be that he will be a real person who becomes effectively a world ruler and replaces religion with worship of himself. A competing view is that the prophecies do not deal with a specific person, but that there are 'many antichrists' throughout history, or that the spirit of antichrist is prevalent through the world and is what is being referred to.

A less common view would be that most of the prophecies were fulfilled around the time of the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD. I find the arguments forwarded by some that Nero was the fulfillment of AC related prophecies to be very compelling - although this does not necessarily rule out a possible future fulfillment. A theme throughout scripture is that of a type preceding actual fulfillment.

My opinion would be that most of these prophecies have been fulfilled in the past, though that does not preclude additional fulfillments in the future, but that the physical return of Christ to the earth to draw history to a close is still future.

[ROYC75]

Well, now that liberals have brought it up, maybe a closer examination is required?

Could Barack Hussein actually be the Anti-Christ? Is there a checklist or something?


BHO comes from the world country .

The antichrist , according to the bible will come from Turkey, Syria, Iraq, Iran, Lebanon, Jordan, Saudi Arabia and / or Egypt.

[RJ]

If electing Obama President is a precursor to the end time, wouldn't that be a good thing in the minds of Christians who believe in that? Maybe I'm confused but I thought that was supposed to be a joyous event for them. Can someone explain?

[Programmer]

If electing Obama President is a precursor to the end time, wouldn't that be a good thing in the minds of Christians who believe in that? Maybe I'm confused but I thought that was supposed to be a joyous event for them. Can someone explain?

Do you really want an explanation? The end is joyous, but if you read the Bible getting there isn't supposed to be much fun.

[ROYC75]

Is this a sentence?

No , A statement ............ It appears it was something you can't understand.

[ROYC75]

Do you really want an explanation? The end is joyous, but if you read the Bible getting there isn't supposed to be much fun.

Daniel received a prophecy from God revealing that the Antichrist will confirm a treaty guaranteeing Israel’s security. Then, after 3 ½ years, the Antichrist will set himself up in the Jewish Temple and proclaim that he is God. This abomination will initiate the Great Tribulation which will last 3 ½ years.

[BigCatDaddy]

Daniel received a prophecy from God revealing that the Antichrist will confirm a treaty guaranteeing Israel’s security. Then, after 3 ½ years, the Antichrist will set himself up in the Jewish Temple and proclaim that he is God. This abomination will initiate the Great Tribulation which will last 3 ½ years.

A temple which doesn't even stand at the moment. We are in good shape for now.

[Donger]

So, a roll call:

Republicans/Conservatives, do any of you think that Barack Hussein is a(n) Anti-Christ, as jAZ suggests?

['Hamas' Jenkins]

So, a roll call:

Republicans/Conservatives, do any of you think that Barack Hussein is a(n) Anti-Christ, as jAZ suggests?

A more appropriate question would be, "If someone you knew claimed that Obama was the anti-Christ, would you attempt to correct them?"

[RJ]

Ok, so if Obama were in fact the Antichrist would it really be up to us as voters in terms of deciding his future? I mean, wouldn't it be a pre-determined destiny? I'm not trying to be a smart-ass, but that seems logical to me. Wouldn't it be in God's hands?

In fact, it seems like if he's not elected that would be the one way to prove that he's not the Antichrist. Sort of like the witch test......if she sinks, she's not a witch.

[Donger]

A more appropriate question would be, "If someone you knew claimed that Obama was the anti-Christ, would you attempt to correct them?"

Correct them? I wouldn't presume to know if they were correct or incorrect.

[Donger]

Ok, so if Obama were in fact the Antichrist would it really be up to us as voters in terms of deciding his future? I mean, wouldn't it be a pre-determined destiny? I'm not trying to be a smart-ass, but that seems logical to me. Wouldn't it be in God's hands?

In fact, it seems like if he's not elected that would be the one way to prove that he's not the Antichrist. Sort of like the witch test......if she sinks, she's not a witch.

Spooky. Did anyone else just replay that scene from the last Omen movie in their head? The one where Sam Neill says "Do you hear me!?" and all the disciples start chanting "We hear! We hear!"

Come one, youtubers, find the clip.

[BigCatDaddy]

So, a roll call:

Republicans/Conservatives, do any of you think that Barack Hussein is a(n) Anti-Christ, as jAZ suggests?


A Christian here. I do not care for him or his politics, but he doesn't meet the criteria. I vote NO and would gladly correct anyone that says he is.

[Donger]

A Christian here

Yes, I neglected that rather important part. Sorry.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Correct them? I wouldn't presume to know if they were correct or incorrect.

That's the exact response I knew you'd give. Thanks for the confirmation.

[ROYC75]

Ok, so if Obama were in fact the Antichrist would it really be up to us as voters in terms of deciding his future? I mean, wouldn't it be a pre-determined destiny? I'm not trying to be a smart-ass, but that seems logical to me. Wouldn't it be in God's hands?

In fact, it seems like if he's not elected that would be the one way to prove that he's not the Antichrist. Sort of like the witch test......if she sinks, she's not a witch.


Again, it's the wrong country for the antichrist to come from. In Daniel 11, Daniel referred to the Antichrist as the king of the North. The king of the North and the land of the North is what Jeremiah called the territory of the Assyria and Babylon. The Assyrian Empire was conquered by the Babylonians in 626 B.C. Both the Assyrian capital of Asshur and the Babylonian capital of Babylon were located in present day Iraq

[Donger]

That's the exact response I knew you'd give. Thanks for the confirmation.

Confirmation of what? Surely you wouldn't attempt to correct them either, right?

[Programmer]

So, a roll call:

Republicans/Conservatives, do any of you think that Barack Hussein is a(n) Anti-Christ, as jAZ suggests?

Not now, not ever.

I do think he is a danger to our country. We stand as the greatest country in the world and he wants to effect change.

[RJ]

Again, it's the wrong country for the antichrist to come from. In Daniel 11, Daniel referred to the Antichrist as the king of the North. The king of the North and the land of the North is what Jeremiah called the territory of the Assyria and Babylon. The Assyrian Empire was conquered by the Babylonians in 626 B.C. Both the Assyrian capital of Asshur and the Babylonian capital of Babylon were located in present day Iraq


Thank you, Roy. You made a similar post before but I wasn't sure if it was proof for or against.

[BigCatDaddy]

Again, it's the wrong country for the antichrist to come from. In Daniel 11, Daniel referred to the Antichrist as the king of the North. The king of the North and the land of the North is what Jeremiah called the territory of the Assyria and Babylon. The Assyrian Empire was conquered by the Babylonians in 626 B.C. Both the Assyrian capital of Asshur and the Babylonian capital of Babylon were located in present day Iraq

I believe he is also to be a military man that was wounded in battle and made an amazing recovery. I don't see Barry picking up a weapon.

[Programmer]

Ok, so if Obama were in fact the Antichrist would it really be up to us as voters in terms of deciding his future? I mean, wouldn't it be a pre-determined destiny? I'm not trying to be a smart-ass, but that seems logical to me. Wouldn't it be in God's hands?

In fact, it seems like if he's not elected that would be the one way to prove that he's not the Antichrist. Sort of like the witch test......if she sinks, she's not a witch.

So, you want him to be the Anti-Christ so he can get elected?

Figures - - - you are probably left handed as well.

[RJ]

I believe he is also to be a military man that was wounded in battle and made an amazing recovery. I don't see Barry picking up a weapon.


Military man, you say?

[BigCatDaddy]

Military man, you say?

Are you implying John Kerry is the AC? :)

[RJ]

Are you implying John Kerry is the AC? :)


Good one :)

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Confirmation of what? Surely you wouldn't attempt to correct them either, right?

Why don't you know this? Isn't it obvious?

[Donger]

Why don't you know this? Isn't it obvious?

Isn't what obvious?

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Isn't what obvious?

How do you not know what "what" is?

[Donger]

How do you not know what "what" is?

Why don't you just save us some time and be precise?

What did I confirm for you?

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Why don't you just save us some time and be precise?

What did I confirm for you?

What didn't you confirm for me?

Why are you asking for precision?

[Donger]

What didn't you confirm for me?

Only you can answer that.

Why are you asking for precision?

It's generally a good thing. So, if someone you knew claimed that Obama was the anti-Christ, would you attempt to correct them?

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Only you can answer that.



It's generally a good thing. So, if someone you knew claimed that Obama was the anti-Christ, would you attempt to correct them?

Why can only I answer that?

[Programmer]

Are you implying John Kerry is the AC? :)


Couldn't be saying that, Kerry was not "wounded" in battle. Nary a bullet broke the skin.

[Donger]

Why can only I answer that?

How would I know what I confirmed for you? Only you can answer that.

So, would you correct them or not?

[Rooster]

If it looks like the anti Christ and quacks like the anti Christ then it must be the anti Christ. :evil:

[bunnytrdr]

Back when I was a christian (in my youth) there were plenty of people all around me that honestly thought Clinton was the anti-christ.



It makes me cry that people believe all this nonsense.Before that, Bush 41 was the anti Christ because of the "new world order" speech.

Before that, Reagan was the anti-Christ, because he spoke so eloquently and was so popular.

Before that, Nixon had Henry Kissinger, who talked and sounded like the devil.

Oh, I forgot that Gorbachev had the "mark of the beast" right on his forehead.

People that are worried about Obama being the anti-Christ should stop looking for the anti-Christ and spend their time getting closer to the real Christ.

Certainly Obama had a false prophet for a pastor, I have never seen such hate and vitriol espoused from a pulpit like that in my life.

[jAZ]

So, a roll call:

Republicans/Conservatives, do any of you think that Barack Hussein is a(n) Anti-Christ, as jAZ suggests?

Why don't you just ask "everyone who wants to look stupid, raise your hand"?

[Donger]

Why don't you just ask "everyone who wants to look stupid, raise your hand"?

I see. You think that anyone who thinks that Barack Hussein is the Anti-Christ is stupid?

[SHTSPRAYER]

Certainly Obama had a false prophet for a pastor, I have never seen such hate and vitriol espoused from a pulpit like that in my life.


That was funny a few months ago when all the moonbats were telling BS personal anectdotes "well my priest says things I don't necassarily agree with but I still go to my church" ROFL

yeah right.

[Taco John]

I see. You think that anyone who thinks that Barack Hussein is the Anti-Christ is stupid?


I don't know about Jaz, but count me in. Stupid is a kind word for what I think they are.

[SHTSPRAYER]

I don't think he's the anti-Christ ---that was Charles Nelson Riley--- but I do think he's a Satan worshipper.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

I see. You think that anyone who thinks that Barack Hussein is the Anti-Christ is stupid?

Do you not think this?

[Donger]

Do you not think this?

Not necessarily. Perhaps delusional, perhaps gullible, but not necessarily stupid.

[ROYC75]

Why don't you just ask "everyone who wants to look stupid, raise your hand"?

Do you not think that Obama has been stupid by not separating himself and the likes of Rev Wright comments or Oprah's comments. He did nothing to rebuke those comments, but rather sidestepped and used some of them as campaign material .

And you ask for Stupid ?

[SportsRacer]

Wait, I thought he is the anti-Christ?

[Taco John]

I don't think he's the anti-Christ ---that was Charles Nelson Riley--- but I do think he's a Satan worshipper.


What a moron you are.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

I don't think he's the anti-Christ ---that was Charles Nelson Riley--- but I do think he's a Satan worshipper.

Who the f*ck is this troll?

[ROYC75]

As for the question, Are people stupid for thinking Obama is the Antichrist ?

No,I call it misinformed, uneducated on the subject about the antichrist.

[Taco John]

Who the f*ck is this troll?



Some ****ign moron who is incapable of discussing issues, but thinks he's a really smart guy. Hmmm... I just described Chiefaroo... Maybe it's him.

[Taco John]

As for the question, Are people stupid for thinking Obama is the Antichrist ?

No,I call it misinformed, uneducated on the subject about the antichrist.


Don't short sell "stupid."

[Taco John]

Hey Donger, didn't you say that you thought Bill Clinton was the Antichrist at one point in time?

[Donger]

Hey Donger, didn't you say that you thought Bill Clinton was the Antichrist at one point in time?

No. Just that I hated him.

[bunnytrdr]

As for the question, Are people stupid for thinking Obama is the Antichrist ?

No,I call it misinformed, uneducated on the subject about the antichrist.
I don't know about THE anti-Christ, but he certainly believes that government could be all knowing, all present, and the providor of all things good.

I don't need any of that from my government.

[bunnytrdr]

Hey Donger, didn't you say that you thought Bill Clinton was the Antichrist at one point in time?
Anyone who woud have us put our faith in them, and to worship them, rather than God is "antichrist". Not necessarily Anti-Christ incarnate.

[ROYC75]

Don't short sell "stupid."

OK, I was just try'n to help you out here a little bit . :D

[NewPhin]

Who the f*ck is this troll?

He's the guy who came in here spraying lots of shit, patting himself on the back about how superior he is to the libs on here, and spouting off about how he was taking the Left to the woodshed on here. That was a decent start. Sadly, the reality hasn't quite lived up to the initial claims.

[SHTSPRAYER]

What a moron I am.

It's really not that bad, Paco. You can get a job pumping gas or retrieving shopping carts in the parking lot.

Who the f*ck is this troll?

Ahem.

I'm the one asking questions, mmmkay, Charlie? Take the cotton out of your ears and stick it in your mouth.

[Taco John]

It's really not that bad, Paco. You can get a job pumping gas or retrieving shopping carts in the parking lot.



Uh, no thanks kid. Director of Marketing isn't going so bad.

[SBK]

When I went to Israel in college we did some studies of what the bible says about the future. Obama doesn't fit at all what the anti-Christ is said to be, not including that people will be fooled into thinking that the anti-Christ is what Jesus was. So all the prophesy in the Old Testament that described who the Messiah would be (and fit Jesus) will have to fit the anti-Christ.

Most people prefer to attach "anti-Christ" to people that do not like in hopes of scaring morons from voting for them. They're ignorant, which is too bad, because they're ignorance is then applied via a broad brush to all Christians.

[SBK]

Uh, no thanks kid. Director of Marketing isn't going so bad.

What kind of marketing do you do? I just started another company and I find myself in the position of overseeing all the marketing. It's fascinating stuff, I can't seem to get enough, I absolutely love it.

[SHTSPRAYER]

Uh, no thanks kid. Director of Marketing isn't going so bad.

Oh, just as I figured, you are a metrosexual.

Do you suck alot of cock?

[little jacob]

So, a roll call:

Republicans/Conservatives, do any of you think that Barack Hussein is a(n) Anti-Christ, as jAZ suggests?

i suppose that it's theoretically possible in as much as the future is unknown for any of us. i consider it to be unlikely and thus far baseless and that is the opinion i would express.

[HolmeZz]

i suppose that it's theoretically possible in as much as the future is unknown for any of us. i consider it to be unlikely and thus far baseless and that is the opinion i would express.

We'll put you down for 'Yes'.

[little jacob]

We'll put you down for 'Yes'.

Because I said it was possible in the sense that he is a human being who has not yet died?

[Donger]

We'll put you down for 'Yes'.

Why? You don't know that Barack Hussein is not the Anti-Christ, do you?

[Programmer]

Why? You don't know that Barack Hussein is not the Anti-Christ, do you?

My guess is that he doesn't know because he isn't familiar with the description of what the Anti-Christ is all about.

[Taco John]

Oh, just as I figured, you are a metrosexual.

Do you suck alot of cock?



What are you talking about?

[Taco John]

The Anti-Christ is supposed to be a Jew who rises from the jewish nation (ie. the lineage fo David) to become their long awaited messiah. The chances of the Jewish Nation of Isreal declaring that Obama is the Christ Messiah who has been prophecied about for centuries is pretty well next to zero.

Anyone who believes that Obama is the Anti-Christ is a gullible moron.

[BucEyedPea]

Well, it's one way to get the conservatives back, 'er at least, the religious one back by playing into their fears about the anti-Christ. Wow! It's really come to this in America?

[BucEyedPea]

Anyone who woud have us put our faith in them, and to worship them, rather than God is "antichrist". Not necessarily Anti-Christ incarnate.

idolatry

[beer bacon]

I don't want to frighten anyone, but Barack is a Jewish name.

[BucEyedPea]

I believe he is also to be a military man that was wounded in battle and made an amazing recovery. I don't see Barry picking up a weapon.

I thought he also had no need for women. Barack has a wife and 2 kids by her.

[beer bacon]

hay u democrats are stupid for claiming that some conservative evangelicals think obama is the anti-christ, but now that you mention it...he might just be the anti-christ!

[Taco John]

I don't want to frighten anyone, but Barack is a Jewish name.

It's African.

[beer bacon]

It's African.

Barack is a form of the Hebrew name Baruch, which means blessed.

[beer bacon]

Barack Obama: secret Jew? Start FWD FWD FWD FWD FWDing your e-mails gentlemen!

[BucEyedPea]

Seems you're both right per this google find:

http://www.babynames.com/name/Barack

* The meaning of the name Barack is Blessed
* The origin of the name Barack is African


Form of the Hebrew name Baruch.

[little jacob]

The Anti-Christ is supposed to be a Jew who rises from the jewish nation (ie. the lineage fo David) to become their long awaited messiah. The chances of the Jewish Nation of Isreal declaring that Obama is the Christ Messiah who has been prophecied about for centuries is pretty well next to zero.

Anyone who believes that Obama is the Anti-Christ is a gullible moron.

where do you get that he has to be a Jew?

[Guru]

Wow. This just had to be an issue. That ad has been out for over 2 weeks IIRC. Why the outcry now? It was funny, nothing more.

[Guru]

The Anti-Christ is supposed to be a Jew who rises from the jewish nation (ie. the lineage fo David) to become their long awaited messiah. The chances of the Jewish Nation of Isreal declaring that Obama is the Christ Messiah who has been prophecied about for centuries is pretty well next to zero.

Anyone who believes that Obama is the Anti-Christ is a gullible moron.

QFT

[DaneMcCloud]

I see. You think that anyone who thinks that Barack Hussein is the Anti-Christ is stupid?

Abso-****ing-lutely.

[DaneMcCloud]

When I went to Israel in college we did some studies of what the bible says about the future. Obama doesn't fit at all what the anti-Christ is said to be, not including that people will be fooled into thinking that the anti-Christ is what Jesus was. So all the prophesy in the Old Testament that described who the Messiah would be (and fit Jesus) will have to fit the anti-Christ.

Most people prefer to attach "anti-Christ" to people that do not like in hopes of scaring morons from voting for them. They're ignorant, which is too bad, because they're ignorance is then applied via a broad brush to all Christians.

When you were in Israel, did you ask the Jew why they refuse to believe that Jesus (Joshua) is their messiah?

If so, what did they say?

And who do they thank win they win soccer games?

I'm guessing not Jesus.

[go bowe]

At least on this board, the vast majority (if not every) such claim was made by Republicans.wrong, i have been saying bush is da debbil for a long time...

and dick cheney is his evil sidekick... :fire:

[SBK]

When you were in Israel, did you ask the Jew why they refuse to believe that Jesus (Joshua) is their messiah?

If so, what did they say?

And who do they thank win they win soccer games?

I'm guessing not Jesus.

Jesus and Joshua lived a long time apart, but their names are pronounced the same way in Hebrew. :D

We did talk to our tour guide about the whole Jesus not being accepted as the messiah actually. She spent a lot of time trying to get us from spending time at places that were "Jesus specific" like the empty tomb, Golgotha, the via dolorosa etc...She told us that the Jews are still waiting for the messiah, and her explanation basically came down to tradition. It wasn't Jewish tradition to accept that Jesus was the messiah so they do not. She didn't point to any scripture or anything like that, just said it was tradition.

[memyselfI]

Lies ....... Blame Oprah, Not McCain, it's Obama's desire to be the one.

She's proclaimed it, he's proclaimed it. He's used religious rhetoric so he has no right to claim when HIS words are used against him.

[Donger]

Abso-****ing-lutely.

Why?

[Donger]

wrong, i have been saying bush is da debbil for a long time...

and dick cheney is his evil sidekick... :fire:

Now I feel silly. I confused you with GoBo.

[Donger]

The Anti-Christ is supposed to be a Jew who rises from the jewish nation (ie. the lineage fo David) to become their long awaited messiah. The chances of the Jewish Nation of Isreal declaring that Obama is the Christ Messiah who has been prophecied about for centuries is pretty well next to zero.

Anyone who believes that Obama is the Anti-Christ is a gullible moron.

Are you sure about that? I've never read that the Anti-Christ had to be or was supposed to be a Jew.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Are you sure about that? I've never read that the Anti-Christ had to be or was supposed to be a Jew.

You'd be in disagreement with the late Falwell, then.

[Donger]

You'd be in disagreement with the late Falwell, then.

Wouldn't be the first time.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Wouldn't be the first time.

Pat yourself on the back. Seriously.

[Donger]

Pat yourself on the back. Seriously.

Why? I'm not a Christian.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Why? I'm not a Christian.

Disagreeing with Falwell should be a time for anyone to pat themselves on the back.

[Donger]

Disagreeing with Falwell should be a time for anyone to pat themselves on the back.

From your point of view, I suppose that would be accurate. The again, you do seem to have a rather inflated sense of your own worth.

You are very quick to judge.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

From your point of view, I suppose that would be accurate. The again, you do seem to have a rather inflated sense of your own worth.

You are very quick to judge.

Coming from a man who started a thread over the fact that his neighbors sit in their front yard rather than their back...

That's rich.

[|Zach|]

Coming from a man who started a thread over the fact that his neighbors sit in their front yard rather than their back...

That's rich.

ROFL

[Donger]

Coming from a man who started a thread over the fact that his neighbors sit in their front yard rather than their back...

That's rich.

I actually find their behavior interesting. Different, but interesting. I don't think they are stupid. In fact, the father is quite intelligent. The fact that they chose to violate the HOA covenants is just a fact.

I couldn't help but notice you never answered my question. Why is that?

[ROYC75]

Jesus and Joshua lived a long time apart, but their names are pronounced the same way in Hebrew. :D

We did talk to our tour guide about the whole Jesus not being accepted as the messiah actually. She spent a lot of time trying to get us from spending time at places that were "Jesus specific" like the empty tomb, Golgotha, the via dolorosa etc...She told us that the Jews are still waiting for the messiah, and her explanation basically came down to tradition. It wasn't Jewish tradition to accept that Jesus was the messiah so they do not. She didn't point to any scripture or anything like that, just said it was tradition.

There were many people who feared that Saddam would become the antichrist when he moved on Kuwait and had his hate for Isreal.

But we all know this has changed.


Again, the antichrist, according to the bible will come from the ME.

[WilliamTheIrish]

True Believer alert.

[DaneMcCloud]

There were many people who feared that Saddam would become the antichrist when he moved on Kuwait and had his hate for Isreal.

But we all know this has changed.


Again, the antichrist, according to the bible will come from the ME.

Of course.

They weren't aware of the existence of North America, South America, Australia or even the Far East.

[ROYC75]

Of course.

They weren't aware of the existence of North America, South America, Australia or even the Far East.

God & Jesus knew ....... Daniel got the vision thru the prophet, which was sent by God.

They just knew that NA,SA Aus, & the far east were other parts of the world.

[DaneMcCloud]

God & Jesus knew ....... Daniel got the vision thru the prophet, which was sent by God.

They just knew that NA,SA Aus, & the far east were other parts of the world.

I've said this before and I'll say it again. All Jesus had to do to prove without a shadow of a doubt that he was the son of the Creator was one of three things:

1. Declare that the earth was round, not flat.
2. Declare that the earth revolves around the sun, not the other way around.
3. Declare "Hey Jews! Pack up your shit. We're heading to North America!".

[DeezNutz]

I've said this before and I'll say it again. All Jesus had to do to prove without a shadow of a doubt that he was the son of the Creator was one of three things:

1. Declare that the earth was round, not flat.
2. Declare that the earth revolves around the sun, not the other way around.
3. Declare "Hey Jews! Pack up your shit. We're heading to North America!".

Or just jump off the cliff.

[VAChief]

Oh, just as I figured, you are a metrosexual.

Do you suck alot of cock?

I knew it you are related to Roy Cohn!

['Hamas' Jenkins]

I knew it you are related to Roy Cohn!

Awesome reference.

[ROYC75]

I've said this before and I'll say it again. All Jesus had to do to prove without a shadow of a doubt that he was the son of the Creator was one of three things:

1. Declare that the earth was round, not flat.
2. Declare that the earth revolves around the sun, not the other way around.
3. Declare "Hey Jews! Pack up your shit. We're heading to North America!".


It's hard for atheists to believe, isn't it ?

[DaneMcCloud]

It's hard for atheists to believe, isn't it ?

As I was born and raised Catholic, attended Catholic school and was once at one time, an altar boy, I'm well versed in the Christian bible and the belief of Christians.

So my current belief is not without exposure to Christianity.

Though I don't consider my self "Atheist". I just don't believe that Jesus (if he even existed) was the son of God.

Same goes for Mohammed.

But I don't insult or demean people for those beliefs.

To each, his own.

[|Zach|]

3. Declare "Hey Jews! Pack up your shit. We're heading to North America!".

Sounds like the start of a sitcom.

[Taco John]

Are you sure about that? I've never read that the Anti-Christ had to be or was supposed to be a Jew.


He's supposed to fulfill thousands of years of prophecy - the very same prophecy that Christianity says Jesus fulfilled. The Christians say Jesus is the prophecied Messiah. The Jews say, no, he's still on the way. There are over three hundred references in the Old Testament of the coming of the Messiah. It's very specifific...

The Messiah will come through the lineage of Shem (Genesis 9 and 10)... a descendant of Abraham (Genesis 12; 17; 22), and Isaac (Genesis 17;21)... Down through the line of Jacob, Judah, and Jesse (Genesis 28; 35:10-12; Numbers 24:17) (Isaiah 11:1-5)... And on and on and on... Down through where he comes from the House of David.

The Jewish people are not going to just accept some charismatic schmoe from America to be their fabled Messiah. That person is going to have to make a pretty strong case for it, all the while denying that Jesus was the Christ, and claiming the title Christ for himself (1 John 2:22-23) (1 John 4:2-3) (2 John 1:7 ).

No American president is going to be the Anti-Christ.

[tiptap]

It's hard for atheists to believe, isn't it ?

Not materialistic reasoning, just verbal mastications.