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Portlantis
08-10-2008, 06:09 PM
I'm sort of in a morbid mood right now, and I was thinking that while the premature death of artists like Kurt Cobain, John Belushi and Heath Ledger were tragic, they were brilliant career moves legacy-wise.

Actors and singers tend to peak early, then lose their spark and vitality as they reach middle age.

Would we still think Cobain was a legend if he had released seven inferior successors to Nevermind instead of just one?

Would Belushi be as beloved if he had followed up his brilliance in early Saturday Night Live, Animal House and The Blues Brothers with a dozen lackluster comedies? Chevy Chase is a punchline now, but at one time he was as revered as Belushi.

This makes me wonder who else would have been better off dying before they had a chance to tarnish their legacy.

The first person who comes to mind is Eddie Murphy. In the 80s, Murphy almost singlehandedly saved Saturday Night Live, then went on to star in such classics as Trading Spaces and Coming to America. Since the 80s, Murphy's career has consisted of failure after failure after failure. His most noteworthy role in 20 years has been the voice of a donkey in an above-average animated film. But imagine if he had died in a car crash in 1988, right after filming Coming to America. He would be considered one of the greatest comedians who ever lived, a shining star who burned out far too soon.

So who are some other actors or singers who could have benefited from dying young?

Baby Lee
08-10-2008, 07:26 PM
The first person who comes to mind is Eddie Murphy. In the 80s, Murphy almost singlehandedly saved Saturday Night Live, then went on to star in such classics as Trading Spaces and Coming to America. Since the 80s, Murphy's career has consisted of failure after failure after failure. His most noteworthy role in 20 years has been the voice of a donkey in an above-average animated film. But imagine if he had died in a car crash in 1988, right after filming Coming to America. He would be considered one of the greatest comedians who ever lived, a shining star who burned out far too soon.
I wouldn't call him so much a failure as someone who decided to go in a very different direction, sometimes with success, if not achievement.
Pluto Nash and that recent 'mini-robot Eddies' movies may have bombed, but Nutty Prof [and the Kranks], Daddy Day Care, Doctor Dolittle, and even Norbit were big box office.* And Bowfinger and Dreamgirls were critically successful forays. Heck I even liked Life.

* - of those, I only saw the first Nutty Prof

Braincase
08-10-2008, 07:32 PM
Is it wrong for me to hope that Miley Cyrus, her dad, and the Jonas Brothers' plane crashes into Britney Spears' house while she's hosting a dinner party with the Simpson Sisters, N'Sync, The Backstreet Boys and everyone who ever had their own show on Nickelodeon?

Baby Lee
08-10-2008, 07:33 PM
Is it wrong for me to hope that Miley Cyrus, her dad, and the Jonas Brothers' plane crashes into Britney Spears' house while she's hosting a dinner party with the Simpson Sisters, N'Sync, The Backstreet Boys and everyone who ever had their own show on Nickelodeon?

Spare Jessica's bewbies.

EDIT: Geez, you make one joke and kharma shows herself for the bitch she is

http://www.heatworld.com/Article/6784/Christina+Applegate/Christina+will+lose+both+her+breasts+in+cancer+battle

ENDelt260
08-10-2008, 07:34 PM
Eddie van Halen

Dinny Blues
08-10-2008, 07:47 PM
Chris Elliot peaked when he ate dog food on David Letterman.

Too bad he didn't die from it.

And the female wrestler should have killed Andy Kaufman.

Dinny.

Friendo
08-10-2008, 07:47 PM
So who are some other actors or singers who could have benefited from dying young?

don't you mean "who's legacy could've benefited"?

The Who come to mind with the all-time greatest "age-smaque" line.

Baby Lee
08-10-2008, 07:50 PM
So who are some other actors or singers who could have benefited from dying young?

don't you mean "who's legacy could've benefited"?

The Who come to mind with the all-time greatest "age-smaque" line.

But all the advances in child porn 'investigation' we would have lost. . .

Friendo
08-10-2008, 07:52 PM
But all the advances in child porn 'investigation' we would have lost. . .

whatever you say Donger...

Baby Lee
08-10-2008, 07:56 PM
whatever you say Donger...

strangest smaque ever?

CrazyPhuD
08-10-2008, 08:14 PM
Fred Phelps...hands down!

KCChiefsMan
08-10-2008, 09:06 PM
metallica

Molitoth
08-11-2008, 12:58 PM
metallica

totally stole mine!

Molitoth
08-11-2008, 12:59 PM
Incubus

Chazno
08-11-2008, 01:05 PM
Michael Jackson

Demonpenz
08-11-2008, 01:09 PM
Man just think if Pearl jam died after TEN... I loved ten but everything after that is HOORRRRIBLE

QuikSsurfer
08-11-2008, 01:15 PM
Man just think if Pearl jam died after TEN... I loved ten but everything after that is HOORRRRIBLE

Agreed.

Also agree with Incubus.. Everything after Make Yourself was garbage, IMO.

Buehler445
08-11-2008, 01:18 PM
Michael Jackson

I think we have a WINNAR.

If society never knew he was a child molesting psycho, the "king of pop" would be freaking awesome in everyones mind.

Demonpenz
08-11-2008, 01:21 PM
I remember when incubus was rap, funk, crunchy metal, then they had to go and get paid. I still like them though

beavis
08-11-2008, 01:29 PM
Man just think if Pearl jam died after TEN... I loved ten but everything after that is HOORRRRIBLE

Seriously? They were one of the few bands from that era that actually held up for me.

Thig Lyfe
08-11-2008, 01:38 PM
Dane Cook and Carlos Mencia would have benefited from being aborted.

The Bad Guy
08-11-2008, 02:17 PM
Man just think if Pearl jam died after TEN... I loved ten but everything after that is HOORRRRIBLE

Vs. was pretty good. Everything after that was god awful.

Deberg_1990
08-11-2008, 02:19 PM
Vs. was pretty good. Everything after that was god awful.

Vitology was pretty good. Everything after that was garbage.

Demonpenz
08-11-2008, 02:22 PM
i hated versus. God I hated that cd.

Dicky McElephant
08-11-2008, 02:22 PM
Maybe.........Creed? Oh wait...that would mean they would have had to put out somethign good from the beginning. Nevermind.

PhillyChiefFan
08-11-2008, 02:22 PM
I think we have a WINNAR.

If society never knew he was a child molesting psycho, the "king of pop" would be freaking awesome in everyones mind.

I'll second that one.

Braincase
08-11-2008, 02:26 PM
Maybe.........Creed? Oh wait...that would mean they would have had to put out somethign good from the beginning. Nevermind.

I think Tremonti is a hell of a guitar player.

Scott Stapp could die in a fire, however.

KCCHIEFS27
08-11-2008, 05:28 PM
alanis morissette

TrickyNicky
08-11-2008, 05:31 PM
Incubus

Interesting. I would include Weezer in that same category. Like if their plane crashed while on tour for the debut album.

chasedude
08-11-2008, 05:35 PM
Carl Peterson....

*can't believe no one said him yet

chasedude
08-11-2008, 05:36 PM
John Goodman

wait he's already dead :)

Portlantis
08-11-2008, 05:52 PM
Interesting. I would include Weezer in that same category. Like if their plane crashed while on tour for the debut album.

I like Pinkerton, actually. And i thought the Green Album and Maladroit were decent. After that, they really went downhill fast.

KcMizzou
08-11-2008, 08:34 PM
I remember when incubus was rap, funk, crunchy metal, then they had to go and get paid. I still like them thoughSounds similar to the Chili Peppers.

Jewish Rabbi
08-12-2008, 12:43 AM
Is it wrong for me to hope that Miley Cyrus, her dad, and the Jonas Brothers' plane crashes into Britney Spears' house while she's hosting a dinner party with the Simpson Sisters, N'Sync, The Backstreet Boys and everyone who ever had their own show on Nickelodeon?

Yes.

irishjayhawk
08-12-2008, 01:14 AM
Dane Cook and Carlos Mencia would have benefited from being aborted.

Yep. And anyone Braincase mentions.

Demonpenz
08-12-2008, 08:51 AM
Sounds similar to the Chili Peppers.

I like them both, incubus was really funky the the peppers early on with Fungus amungus. They sounded like the chili peppers with bongo's, a scratching, and more rap. I still like them both bands though. Mike Etintinger (sp?) from incubus is one of my favorite guitarists, and some of the DVD's I have really show off Brandon Boyds voice. Incubus also has a their drums tuned similar to the style I have mine. I am still big into the chili peppers. The music snop in me gasps at girls that have never heard science by incubus...ugh then when they hear it they are like EWWW where his the hollister Incubus..., but I am getting to old to care. I once had a giant FIST smashing down posers who didn't like the stuff I like, but then I realized that they were mostly girls, and girls (who don't cut themselves for kicks) ususally don't like High Octaine ass kicking songs, they mostly want their Incubus with a side of extreme

MORE THAN WOooOOOoOOooOOrds is all you have to feel

Jawshco
08-12-2008, 06:23 PM
I like them both, incubus was really funky the the peppers early on with Fungus amungus. They sounded like the chili peppers with bongo's, a scratching, and more rap. I still like them both bands though. Mike Etintinger (sp?) from incubus is one of my favorite guitarists, and some of the DVD's I have really show off Brandon Boyds voice. Incubus also has a their drums tuned similar to the style I have mine. I am still big into the chili peppers. The music snop in me gasps at girls that have never heard science by incubus...ugh then when they hear it they are like EWWW where his the hollister Incubus..., but I am getting to old to care. I once had a giant FIST smashing down posers who didn't like the stuff I like, but then I realized that they were mostly girls, and girls (who don't cut themselves for kicks) ususally don't like High Octaine ass kicking songs, they mostly want their Incubus with a side of extreme

MORE THAN WOooOOOoOOooOOrds is all you have to feel

Dude Fungus to me sounds like Mr. Bungle big time. They toured with Bungle during that era, and I hear a huge influence. Both of their bassists sounded similar, and Brandon was sounding very similar to the way Patton did early on. It's probably the Incubus album I dig the most.

I see the Chili Pepper connection too, but Flea's style is quite different than the dude from Incubus. Both are good bands though.

Dude, don't sweat the tunes that most chicks like. A lot of them follow the trends and are more impacted by the visceral feel of music rather than listening to the art beyond the surface. However, if you find one with good taste- you hang onto her. There's nothing more I like than a woman who digs good tunes.

Jawshco
08-12-2008, 06:24 PM
Is it wrong for me to hope that Miley Cyrus, her dad, and the Jonas Brothers' plane crashes into Britney Spears' house while she's hosting a dinner party with the Simpson Sisters, N'Sync, The Backstreet Boys and everyone who ever had their own show on Nickelodeon?

If that's wrong I don't know what's right. :thumb:

QuikSsurfer
08-12-2008, 06:27 PM
Dude Fungus to me sounds like Mr. Bungle big time. They toured with Bungle during that era, and I hear a huge influence. Both of their bassists sounded similar, and Brandon was sounding very similar to the way Patton did early on. It's probably the Incubus album I dig the most.

I see the Chili Pepper connection too, but Flea's style is quite different than the dude from Incubus. Both are good bands though.

Dude, don't sweat the tunes that most chicks like. A lot of them follow the trends and are more impacted by the visceral feel of music rather than listening to the art beyond the surface. However, if you find one with good taste- you hang onto her. There's nothing more I like than a woman who digs good tunes.

Good comparison minus Brandon sounding like Mike...


and S.C.I.E.N.C.E. >>>>>>>>>>>> Fungus Amongus, IMO

DaneMcCloud
08-12-2008, 06:30 PM
I think Tremonti is a hell of a guitar player.

Scott Stapp could die in a fire, however.

Alterbridge absolutely blows away Creed.

Not even close.

QuikSsurfer
08-12-2008, 06:33 PM
Alterbridge absolutely blows away Creed.

Not even close.

Alterbridge is ****ing garbage.

I don't like Creed but their debut "My Own Prison" was impressive.

Jawshco
08-12-2008, 08:49 PM
Good comparison minus Brandon sounding like Mike...


and S.C.I.E.N.C.E. >>>>>>>>>>>> Fungus Amongus, IMO

Mike and Brandon may not have similar sounding voices, but the style of their singing on Fungus and Mr. Bungle's OU818 is very close.

Yeah, S.C.I.E.N.C.E. is a good album. They really came unto their own unique sound on that album, but I don't know...I just have more fun with Fungus. I like them both though...

I've always liked Brandon as a singer. When Faith No More was looking for a singer to replace Mike, I was half hoping Brandon would go for it, but Incubus was way too hot at that time for that to be a reality.

However, I saw Incubus preform on the Who tribute recently with a lot of other bands. I was kind of disappointed with both them and Tenacious D. However, Pearl Jam (especially Eddie Vedder) sounded amazing. I wish Pearl Jam's own music sounded half as good as their Who cover did.



BTW- my pick for this thread would be Axel Rose. I love G'n'R, but Axel has been a huge dissappointment since Use Your Illusion, and Chinese Democracy (aka the album that will never be released) is less than stellar despite some intresting experimental bits here and there.

'Hamas' Jenkins
08-13-2008, 01:18 AM
Alterbridge absolutely blows away Creed.

Not even close.

I would pay $100 to watch Scott Stapp in a real-life version of "The Running Man", but he does have one of the great quotes of all time.

"311, I want to fight."

AZORChiefFan
08-13-2008, 01:23 AM
Polaris. man **** that star in its shiny butt.

DaneMcCloud
08-13-2008, 02:02 AM
Alterbridge is ****ing garbage.

I don't like Creed but their debut "My Own Prison" was impressive.

Uh, no offense, but you're out of your ****ing mind.

Miles is 10X the singer Scott Stapp could ever become and the rhythm section (with Brian on bass) is freaking badass.

Add to that, Ben Grosse's production of the first album and you've got a record that blows away anything that Creed ever produced. Blackbird is even better.

Clean out your ****ing ears.

DaneMcCloud
08-13-2008, 02:04 AM
I don't like Creed but their debut "My Own Prison" was impressive.

Impressive to whom?

15 year-olds in 1997?

Alesis?

That album sounds like ****ing dogshit cheap-ass digital ADAT.

The drummer played consistently out of time, there's no bottom end, the guitars are screechy and outside of maybe two songs, the songwriting is downright ****ing awful.

If you find that "impressive", more power to you.

SLAG
08-13-2008, 02:25 AM
Mark Hammil popped into my head when I saw this thread

JohnnyV13
08-13-2008, 02:29 AM
Michael Vick

OJ Simpson

Charlie Sheen should have died after making Platoon and Wall Street plus maybe Young Guns. He'd be a legend today.

DaneMcCloud
08-13-2008, 02:31 AM
Mark Hammil popped into my head when I saw this thread

Why?

He virtually disappeared after Jedi.

No one's familiar with his voice-over work so essentially, he's invisible.

SLAG
08-13-2008, 02:32 AM
Why?

He virtually disappeared after Jedi.

No one's familiar with his voice-over work so essentially, he's invisible.

yes, but if he would have died after Jedi then people would have known WTF happened to him.

thats about the best answer to WHY i can think of.

DaneMcCloud
08-13-2008, 02:35 AM
yes, but if he would have died after Jedi then people would have known WTF happened to him.

thats about the best answer to WHY i can think of.

IMHO, his acting (and choice) was the worst part of the original trilogy.

He was such a pansy.

SLAG
08-13-2008, 02:38 AM
IMHO, his acting (and choice) was the worst part of the original trilogy.

He was such a pansy.

Sure his acting was kinda Hokey and awkward but he was still "LUKE SKYWALKER".
Im just saying he has got to be #1 on the "Where are they Now Lists"

Ultra Peanut
08-13-2008, 02:49 AM
The first person who comes to mind is Eddie Murphy.p. much

QuikSsurfer
08-13-2008, 08:16 AM
Uh, no offense, but you're out of your ****ing mind.

Miles is 10X the singer Scott Stapp could ever become and the rhythm section (with Brian on bass) is freaking badass.

Add to that, Ben Grosse's production of the first album and you've got a record that blows away anything that Creed ever produced. Blackbird is even better.

Clean out your ****ing ears.

Don't take me as a Creed fan/supporter - I'm saying that MOP is much more impressive than ANYTHING AB has put out. It's almost laughable that you would even bring up AB...

MOP good to 15/17 year olds??

I doubt any kids that age could even name a song from MOP... I guarantee that they know who AB is though -- along with Hinder, 3 doors down, and Puddle of Mudd.

"Clean out your ****ing ears" -- Why are you so passionate about this band?? This is ridiculous.




All of the bands listed in this post suck. I refuse to defend this band any further.

Demonpenz
08-13-2008, 08:35 AM
i don't really sweat anything anymore. Just brews, tunes, and sunshine. No more fist pumping music is my ARRRRMYYYYYY like in the old days of youthful angst

Deberg_1990
08-13-2008, 08:42 AM
IMHO, his acting (and choice) was the worst part of the original trilogy.

He was such a pansy.

"I was going into Toshi Station to pick up some power converters...."


Even at 10, i knew that was a horrible line.

wutamess
08-13-2008, 09:05 AM
Will Ferrel.
Bret Favre

irishjayhawk
08-13-2008, 11:39 AM
Will Ferrel.
Bret Favre

Amen.

Ultra Peanut
08-13-2008, 12:29 PM
Will Ferrel.
Bret FavreAll Favre really needed was a badass motorcycle accident to end his career, and that legacy would be flawless.

Now he's demanded a trade and ended up playing for Daddy Day Care 2.

DaneMcCloud
08-13-2008, 01:10 PM
Don't take me as a Creed fan/supporter - I'm saying that MOP is much more impressive than ANYTHING AB has put out. It's almost laughable that you would even bring up AB...

MOP good to 15/17 year olds??

I doubt any kids that age could even name a song from MOP... I guarantee that they know who AB is though -- along with Hinder, 3 doors down, and Puddle of Mudd.

"Clean out your ****ing ears" -- Why are you so passionate about this band?? This is ridiculous.

All of the bands listed in this post suck. I refuse to defend this band any further.

Why?

Because it's clear that you obviously have no ear for talent, songwriting or great production.

From the "oh, look at my talented friends" thread (who were ****ing hacks, at best) to claiming that Alter Bridge is "garbage".

Have you heard Miles sing? Probably the closest comparison would be Chris Cornell. The players are top notch and while taste is a matter of opinion, to call the songwriting and performances on "One Day Remains" and "Blackbird" garbage is complete unwarranted. If you don't like it, fine. But garbage?

I don't think so. 3 Doors Down? Not a fan. POM? Not a fan.

But neither of those bands play or write like Alter Bridge. Not even close.

QuikSsurfer
08-13-2008, 01:30 PM
Why?

Because it's clear that you obviously have no ear for talent, songwriting or great production.

From the "oh, look at my talented friends" thread (who were ****ing hacks, at best) to claiming that Alter Bridge is "garbage".

Have you heard Miles sing? Probably the closest comparison would be Chris Cornell. The players are top notch and while taste is a matter of opinion, to call the songwriting and performances on "One Day Remains" and "Blackbird" garbage is complete unwarranted. If you don't like it, fine. But garbage?

I don't think so. 3 Doors Down? Not a fan. POM? Not a fan.

But neither of those bands play or write like Alter Bridge. Not even close.

Wow.
I've read nothing past the highlighted. You're a true cocksucking dickfaced mother****er... I've seen glimpses of but never tagged you as this.

I can't understand why you would be so defensive for a mediocre project band...

As far as referencing my friends band www.myspace.com/colourrevolt (who signed with Fat Possum Records) -- What were you trying to accomplish aside from pushing my buttons?

No ear for talent because I think AB is mediocre?? Get off it, Dane. Did you miss the thread (maybe Bearcat OP) where I posted pictures of my home studio? I'm no stranger to music production, chum.

irishjayhawk
08-13-2008, 01:46 PM
Why?

Because it's clear that you obviously have no ear for talent, songwriting or great production.

From the "oh, look at my talented friends" thread (who were ****ing hacks, at best) to claiming that Alter Bridge is "garbage".

Have you heard Miles sing? Probably the closest comparison would be Chris Cornell. The players are top notch and while taste is a matter of opinion, to call the songwriting and performances on "One Day Remains" and "Blackbird" garbage is complete unwarranted. If you don't like it, fine. But garbage?

I don't think so. 3 Doors Down? Not a fan. POM? Not a fan.

But neither of those bands play or write like Alter Bridge. Not even close.


Dane, weren't you wondering how people got the impression you were a douche bag a few weeks back?

This might be an example.

DaneMcCloud
08-13-2008, 02:56 PM
Wow.
I've read nothing past the highlighted. You're a true cocksucking dickfaced mother****er... I've seen glimpses of but never tagged you as this.

I can't understand why you would be so defensive for a mediocre project band...

As far as referencing my friends band www.myspace.com/colourrevolt (http://www.myspace.com/colourrevolt) (who signed with Fat Possum Records) -- What were you trying to accomplish aside from pushing my buttons?

No ear for talent because I think AB is mediocre?? Get off it, Dane. Did you miss the thread (maybe Bearcat OP) where I posted pictures of my home studio? I'm no stranger to music production, chum.

I wasn't attempting to push your buttons. I was merely making an intelligent observation based on your previous history of judging talent.

Furthermore, I couldn't care less about your "home studio" and apparently, you are a stranger to music production.

But that's fine. Go ahead and lump Alter Bridge into the same category as POM or 3 Doors Down. (which is like saying that Iron Maiden and WASP are the same band).

I really couldn't give a ****. Or what you think about me.

DaneMcCloud
08-13-2008, 02:57 PM
Dane, weren't you wondering how people got the impression you were a douche bag a few weeks back?

This might be an example.

I don't care.

Frazod
08-13-2008, 03:08 PM
Gotta agree with Michael Jackson.

If he'd died in the mid 80's, he'd probably be revered like Elvis.

DaneMcCloud
08-13-2008, 03:18 PM
Dane, weren't you wondering how people got the impression you were a douche bag a few weeks back?

This might be an example.

And one more thing.

I LOVE how it's okay for YOU to point out flaws in scripts, overuse or bad CGI or proclaim that a movie is horrible (though many forum members disagree with those points and have an enjoyable movie experience), though I'm a "douchebag" because I point out that someone doesn't know WTF they're even talking about in regards to songwriting, production values and musical talent.

Nice.

Deberg_1990
08-13-2008, 03:19 PM
I don't care.
.

QuikSsurfer
08-13-2008, 03:28 PM
I wasn't attempting to push your buttons. I was merely making an intelligent observation based on your previous history of judging talent.

Furthermore, I couldn't care less about your "home studio" and apparently, you are a stranger to music production.

But that's fine. Go ahead and lump Alter Bridge into the same category as POM or 3 Doors Down. (which is like saying that Iron Maiden and WASP are the same band).

I really couldn't give a ****. Or what you think about me.

POM? MOP = My Own Prison

Either way.. I know nothing about music and Alter Bridge are ****ing amazing and CRUSH Creed.

I will forever laugh are your love and admiration for Alter Bridge. You're a music anomaly.

Moron.

Demonpenz
08-13-2008, 03:29 PM
this is the worst day of my life

Jawshco
08-13-2008, 03:34 PM
this is the worst day of my life

ROTFLOL! ROFL

DaneMcCloud
08-13-2008, 03:35 PM
POM? MOP = My Own Prison

Either way.. I know nothing about music and Alter Bridge are ****ing amazing and CRUSH Creed.

I will forever laugh are your love and admiration for Alter Bridge. You're a music anomaly.

Moron.

If I'm an anomaly, does that make you the standard?

If so, that totally makes sense and is the reason why music has gone into the shitter.

Good luck with your Home Tools, Sporto!

QuikSsurfer
08-13-2008, 03:42 PM
If I'm an anomaly, does that make you the standard?

If so, that totally makes sense and is the reason why music has gone into the shitter.

Good luck with your Home Tools, Sporto!

I'll PM you when the new Hinder and Theory of a Deadman album hits, buddy.

Tribal Warfare
08-13-2008, 03:44 PM
Whitney Houston and Eddie Murphy

chiefscafan
08-13-2008, 03:46 PM
though i love the band

if GNR had died all died in a plane crash or something after the lose your illusion albums they would have had cult status like led zep has.

DaneMcCloud
08-13-2008, 03:53 PM
I'll PM you when the new Hinder and Theory of a Deadman album hits, buddy.


Again, way to address the point. :rolleyes:

Impressive to whom?

15 year-olds in 1997?

Alesis?

That album sounds like ****ing dogshit cheap-ass digital ADAT.

The drummer played consistently out of time, there's no bottom end, the guitars are screechy and outside of maybe two songs, the songwriting is downright ****ing awful.

If you find that "impressive", more power to you.

Where's your response?

If THAT's impressive to you, then it's very clear that even though you seem to hold yourself in high regard (ala my "home studio"), you really don't have a clue.

I'm not defending Alter Bridge on the basis "they're the greatest band in the world". I'm saying that if you can't recognize great players, a phenomenal singer and outstanding production, then you're just another person with an opinion.

Not a professional. Certainly not a recording, engineering or producing professional (let alone from a compositional standpoint) but an amateur with Home Tools and an RE20.

That does not qualify someone as a professional. It qualifies them as a hobbyist.

At best.

Reaper16
08-13-2008, 04:02 PM
this is the worst day of my life
LMAO

Jawshco
08-13-2008, 04:02 PM
Uh, no offense, but you're out of your ****ing mind.

Miles is 10X the singer Scott Stapp could ever become and the rhythm section (with Brian on bass) is freaking badass.

Add to that, Ben Grosse's production of the first album and you've got a record that blows away anything that Creed ever produced. Blackbird is even better.

Clean out your ****ing ears.

I'm not a producer, but I've recorded music and have been playing for years and I just don't see it your way. To me production is so much less important than songwriting, or even musical talent. I think both Alterbridge and Creed are mediocre rock bands, but I'll always remember Creed. Creed had songs with strong hooks that have held up well over time. With Arms Wide Open, One, My Own Prison, Higher, and My Sacrifice still all get play, and are very hard songs to forget (even though, I might want to!). Say what you want. If I could I write a hit the way Scott Stapp did, I'd do it in a second. It's not easy writing a memorable song. I'm not a fan, and I'm actually glad Creed is gone, but I don't see how Alterbridge is better. Production and talent, maybe...but I don't remember a single song by them and I've heard both albums and several live spots. The best musicians and producers in world can't do much if they don't have great songs, and I don't think Alterbridge has great songs. I know that taste varies and that "best" & "better" are 100% subjective from person to person, and quantity of albums sold do not translate into quality of music (I have to say that, 'cause I love obscure underground stuff as much as the mainstream music scene), but Creed from the late 90's to about '02 was one of the most successful, recognizable bands in the industry. That's a huge accomplishment. Again, I'm not a fan, but I'd love that to happen to my band.

And as annoying as Scott Stapp's public persona is, he had the perfect voice for what they did. I remember him being regarded as the best singer in rock for awhile.

DaneMcCloud
08-13-2008, 04:06 PM
I'm not a producer, but I've recorded music and have been playing for years and I just don't see it your way. To me production is so much less important than songwriting, or even musical talent. I think both Alterbridge and Creed are mediocre rock bands, but I'll always remember Creed. Creed had songs with strong hooks that have held up well over time. With Arms Wide Open, One, My Own Prison, Higher, and My Sacrifice still all get play, and are very hard songs to forget (even though, I might want to!). Say what you want. If I could I write a hit the way Scott Stapp did, I'd do it in a second. It's not easy writing a memorable song. I'm not a fan, and I'm actually glad Creed is gone, but I don't see how Alterbridge is better. Production and talent, maybe...but I don't remember a single song by them and I've heard both albums and several live spots. The best musicians and producers in world can't do much if they don't have great songs, and I don't think Alterbridge has great songs. I know that taste varies and that "best" & "better" are 100% subjective from person to person, and quantity of albums sold do not translate into quality of music (I have to say that, 'cause I love obscure underground stuff as much as the mainstream music scene), but Creed from the late 90's to about '02 was one of the most successful, recognizable bands in the industry. That's a huge accomplishment. Again, I'm not a fan, but I'd love that to happen to my band.

And as annoying as Scott Stapp's public persona is, he had the perfect voice for what they did. I remember him being regarded as the best singer in rock for awhile.

I'm not arguing that Alter Bridge is "better" than Creed.

I'm arguing that Alter Bridge is not "garbage", as stated by Quiksurfer, which I quantified by using the musicianship, songwriting and production as examples.

QuikSsurfer
08-13-2008, 04:11 PM
Again, way to address the point. :rolleyes:



Where's your response?

If THAT's impressive to you, then it's very clear that even though you seem to hold yourself in high regard (ala my "home studio"), you really don't have a clue.

I'm not defending Alter Bridge on the basis "they're the greatest band in the world". I'm saying that if you can't recognize great players, a phenomenal singer and outstanding production, then you're just another person with an opinion.

Not a professional. Certainly not a recording, engineering or producing professional (let alone from a compositional standpoint) but an amateur with Home Tools and an RE20.

That does not qualify someone as a professional. It qualifies them as a hobbyist.

At best.

Honestly, Dane, you're boring me. We're going around in circles here.
You simply CANNOT convince me that AB is a good act.

I'm content in being a "hobbyist" with good taste.

This conversation is over.

Jawshco
08-13-2008, 04:18 PM
though i love the band

if GNR had died all died in a plane crash or something after the lose your illusion albums they would have had cult status like led zep has.

Yup, that's exactly what I was saying earlier.

But I wouldn't put them in the
Zep level yet. You know the thing about Zep and band of that era is that they were all "Superbands," we just don't have bands like that anymore, and when we do they don't work out. John Paul Jones is one of rocks legendary bass players and songwriters (see Blackdog), John Bonham is a legend on drums, Jimmy Page is...what can you say...one of the best rock guitarists ever...then Robert Plant (though not my favorite) is another amazing musician with insane amount of songwriting talent. Not weak link in the bunch, and don't get me started on the Who- Keith Moon & John Entwhistle alone are amazing enough. Also, the Who did "die young," but are in the category of 'I wish they would have stuck around' (or at least Keith & John).

QuikSsurfer
08-13-2008, 04:22 PM
I'll also add the Deftones to this list

Jawshco
08-13-2008, 04:32 PM
I'm not arguing that Alter Bridge is "better" than Creed.

I'm arguing that Alter Bridge is not "garbage", as stated by Quiksurfer, which I quantified by using the musicianship, songwriting and production as examples.

Okay, fair enough. And I do see them as talented musicians. I have a dislike for music industry clones and imitators (I'm not referring to Alterbridge, BTW), but I have a hard time calling any professional musicians "garbage." I know how hard I've worked to get to where I'm at right now, and completely respect them for their effort.

As aside, I believe the whole concept of "Good Taste" is a myth. To me it's just a group of two or more people patting each other on the back for all liking the same thing, and while we all enjoy meeting like-minded people (so we don't feel so alone in this weird exsistence) conforming to a group decided opinion of what is good or bad seems very lame to me.

Jawshco
08-13-2008, 04:34 PM
I'll also add the Deftones to this list

Really? At what point? I've always found the Deftones fairly interesting.

QuikSsurfer- you said all the bands on this thread suck. I think some good ones have been mentioned. What bands do you like?

Demonpenz
08-13-2008, 04:37 PM
You know we should say say that everyone who reaches the peak and then dies is going to be looked at founder than the ones who got old and busted. Just think if some starlets died when they were 20 and hot instead of old hags we would remember that way forever. Instead of Ewww she got old

Demonpenz
08-13-2008, 04:37 PM
quicksilver loves ratt and nightranger

QuikSsurfer
08-13-2008, 04:42 PM
Really? At what point? I've always found the Deftones fairly interesting.

QuikSsurfer- you said all the bands on this thread suck. I think some good ones have been mentioned. What bands do you like?

No no no.. I said all the bands listed in that particular POST suck.

Deftones were great during Adrenaline, Like Linus, Around the Fur, and White Pony... Their self-titled album and most recent were pitiful.

Chino has been one of my favorite rock vocalist for YEARS but I felt their last effort was too close to TEAM Sleep for my taste.

DaneMcCloud
08-13-2008, 04:43 PM
Okay, fair enough. And I do see them as talented musicians. I have a dislike for music industry clones and imitators (I'm not referring to Alterbridge, BTW), but I have a hard time calling any professional musicians "garbage." I know how hard I've worked to get to where I'm at right now, and completely respect them for their effort.

:clap:

Well said.

With nearly two decades in the music business (working for both Uni & Sony), performing, composing and producing, I find it laughable how someone can consider themselves a working professional, yet not understand how difficult it is to obtain not only a major record deal and distribution but success in the industry as well.

Those who so callously and easily accuse others of being "garbage" or "lame" or similar insults in my experience are generally no-talent hacks without a clue.

QuikSsurfer
08-13-2008, 04:44 PM
quicksilver loves ratt and nightranger

This quicksilver guy sounds like a toolbox.

Jawshco
08-13-2008, 04:46 PM
You know we should say say that everyone who reaches the peak and then dies is going to be looked at founder than the ones who got old and busted. Just think if some starlets died when they were 20 and hot instead of old hags we would remember that way forever. Instead of Ewww she got old

LOL, so true! Liz Taylor is a good example of that.

Of course, hollywood women are staying hotter for a longer time. And I know it's crazy but I still think Charro is hot! :evil:

Jawshco
08-13-2008, 04:50 PM
No no no.. I said all the bands listed in that particular POST suck.

Deftones were great during Adrenaline, Like Linus, Around the Fur, and White Poney... Their self-titled album and most recent were pitiful.

Chino has been one of my favorite rock vocalist for YEARS but I felt their last effort was too close to TEAM Sleep for my taste.


Yeah, Chino is awesome. I wouldn't say their recent stuff was pitiful, but it's certainly not as interesting. A former band mate of mine got to tour with those guys and said they're really cool to small time Indy bands. I hold out hope that the Deftones and can come back with ever better material in the future.

irishjayhawk
08-13-2008, 05:48 PM
And one more thing.

I LOVE how it's okay for YOU to point out flaws in scripts, overuse or bad CGI or proclaim that a movie is horrible (though many forum members disagree with those points and have an enjoyable movie experience), though I'm a "douchebag" because I point out that someone doesn't know WTF they're even talking about in regards to songwriting, production values and musical talent.

Nice.

I didn't comment on who was right. Rather the tone and way you put forth said opinion.

Please, find me where I took a side. I'll wait.

I'll add that I have no idea who anyone you guys were quarreling over besides Creed. And I don't happen to like them. Though, I did to some 7th grade report on their song With Arms Wide Open. :)

DaneMcCloud
08-13-2008, 06:13 PM
I didn't comment on who was right. Rather the tone and way you put forth said opinion.

Please, find me where I took a side. I'll wait.

I'll add that I have no idea who anyone you guys were quarreling over besides Creed. And I don't happen to like them. Though, I did to some 7th grade report on their song With Arms Wide Open. :)

I didn't say you took a side.

To paraphrase, I love how it's okay for you to criticize but not for others to do the same.

As I've stated repeatedly, this has nothing to do with the like or dislike of either musical group. It has to do with the fact that QS flippantly referred to a band that has sold millions of records as "garbage".

Everyone's entitled to an opinion. But don't try to pass yourself off as a working music professional (whether it's engineer, producer or artist) and casually throw a successful to the wayside in order to "look" cool.

This is further magnified by the fact that he tried to pass off his friends as "talented" (as to which, almost everyone who posted disagreed with that assessment).

If I told you that "Indy 4" was the greatest movie of all time, only to follow that up with stating that "Batman Returns" is the worst movie of all time, I think I'd quickly lose credibility in your eyes.

No?

QuikSsurfer
08-13-2008, 06:43 PM
This is getting ridiculous.
Dane, I'm sorry if I struck a nerve by calling AB "garbage" but it is, after all, my opinion. You don't have to agree with me but you certainly didn't have to attack me, my taste, my studio, my musician friends, or anything else all in one post... Totally uncalled for.
That's where irishjawhawk was coming from in calling you a douchebag - and you knew that...

QuikSsurfer
08-13-2008, 06:55 PM
What bands do you like?

Off the top of my head...
Beck, Dinosaur Jr., HUM, Sunny Day Real Estate, Belle & Sebastian, Iron&Wine, Andrew Bird, Black Keys, Elliott Smith, Bonnie "Prince" Billy, Skinny Puppy, Opeth, BTBAM, Ministry, most all things Mike Patton... etc

I like a lot of 90s grunge/alt and stay away from most country/rap.

Demonpenz
08-13-2008, 06:56 PM
i think the band aqua also sold a million records

QuikSsurfer
08-13-2008, 06:59 PM
i think the band aqua also sold a million records

and Chumbawumba

irishjayhawk
08-13-2008, 08:36 PM
I didn't say you took a side.

To paraphrase, I love how it's okay for you to criticize but not for others to do the same.

You contradict yourself. Please, show where I criticized anything but the method of asserting your criticism. I'll wait again.


As I've stated repeatedly, this has nothing to do with the like or dislike of either musical group. It has to do with the fact that QS flippantly referred to a band that has sold millions of records as "garbage".

And I refer to Ashlee Simpson as garbage but she's sold millions. What's your point?

The point is in your method of criticizing not the actual criticisms you offer. Which was my point.

Everyone's entitled to an opinion. But don't try to pass yourself off as a working music professional (whether it's engineer, producer or artist) and casually throw a successful to the wayside in order to "look" cool.

I know you're not talking about me, but I don't think he's doing it to "look" cool. He's stating his opinion.

This is further magnified by the fact that he tried to pass off his friends as "talented" (as to which, almost everyone who posted disagreed with that assessment).

By all means, friends shouldn't try to pimp friends. That's just a no no. :spock::rolleyes:

Another example of your method of criticizing with poor form.


If I told you that "Indy 4" was the greatest movie of all time, only to follow that up with stating that "Batman Returns" is the worst movie of all time, I think I'd quickly lose credibility in your eyes.

No?

What does this have to do with anything? I haven't offered judgement on anything except your way of constantly sounding like a dick. I haven't impeded on you to rail away defending the band or disparaging his band. I haven't even commented on the feud itself. Rather, I've just pointed out how you come off sounding like a dick and you can't even see that. Instead, you just continue to point out that I'm hypocritical when it doesn't even apply.

Jawshco
08-13-2008, 08:52 PM
i think the band aqua also sold a million records

Did they really? You know Aqua isn't my thing, but you have to admit they were in their own world with their music. They sound like what would happen if the B-52's were aliens who snorted pixie stix 26 hours a day. Annoying, Bubbly, and just odd. But, certainly not imitators, so I won't bag on them. Still hard to believe they sold a million records.

But like I said before quantity of albums sold doesn't always translate into quality. There are a lot industry "cloned" bands that play music made to sell, rather than express something artistic. Like all those boy bands that I can't one from the other, or the female pop/courtry singers that have their songs bought for them. Pop, Country, and Christian music are the most industrialized of all genres, IMO. And Christian music might the worst of the three- and I say that from experience. However, no genre is immune from it.

Jawshco
08-13-2008, 08:57 PM
Off the top of my head...
Beck, Dinosaur Jr., HUM, Sunny Day Real Estate, Belle & Sebastian, Iron&Wine, Andrew Bird, Black Keys, Elliott Smith, Bonnie "Prince" Billy, Skinny Puppy, Opeth, BTBAM, Ministry, most all things Mike Patton... etc

I like a lot of 90s grunge/alt and stay away from most country/rap.

I like that list. All interesting bands with a nice bit variety. Man, I haven't thought of Ministry in years. Is Al and the gang still around? I loved those guys in the 90's. Their anti-Tipper Gore stuff cracked me up. It's hard to believe that woman is married to Al "The Liberal Environmentalist Superman" Gore.

Deberg_1990
08-13-2008, 09:18 PM
quicksilver loves ratt and nightranger

Sister Christian oh the time has come.....

DaneMcCloud
08-14-2008, 12:25 AM
I haven't offered judgement on anything except your way of constantly sounding like a dick.

Gee, thanks.

I really appreciate your input because I'm obviously extremely concerned about my "image" on Chiefsplanet.

What would I do without you to keep me in check?

irishjayhawk
08-14-2008, 01:15 AM
Gee, thanks.

I really appreciate your input because I'm obviously extremely concerned about my "image" on Chiefsplanet.

What would I do without you to keep me in check?

The same thing you always do. I just remembered you wondered how people got that impression of you (douche bag). I pointed an instance in which people can infer.

Sorry I was trying to help.

DaneMcCloud
08-14-2008, 01:45 AM
The same thing you always do. I just remembered you wondered how people got that impression of you (douche bag). I pointed an instance in which people can infer.

Sorry I was trying to help.

If I stated that I wonder where people got that impression, it must have been sarcastic. o:-)


Braincase stated that Tremonti is a fine guitarist. I topped that with Alter Bridge is a better band than Creed (essentially the same band, different singer). QS said Alter Bridge was "garbage".

I supplied reasons to the contrary, yet QS refused to respond or to quantify his assessment. I then took aim at his so-called "knowledge" and called him on it. Still, he's refused to quantify his statement, offering only an apology.

The bottom line is that every once in a while, I just HAVE to chime in on the bullshit being passed off as knowledge around here. And if you go back and read my comments, I quantified my opinion. It wasn't just "oh, they suck" or "oh, that band sucks".

In the end, it's all opinion. But if you're going to portray yourself as someone in the "know" (i.e. Look at my talented friends" or "check out my "home studio"), you'd better be able to back that shit up. And to me that means you better quantify your strong opinion.

Again, this IS the media forum.

Guru
08-14-2008, 02:01 AM
.

Tommy Lee Jones was great in that movie.

Demonpenz
08-14-2008, 10:32 AM
Did they really? You know Aqua isn't my thing, but you have to admit they were in their own world with their music. They sound like what would happen if the B-52's were aliens who snorted pixie stix 26 hours a day. Annoying, Bubbly, and just odd. But, certainly not imitators, so I won't bag on them. Still hard to believe they sold a million records.

But like I said before quantity of albums sold doesn't always translate into quality. There are a lot industry "cloned" bands that play music made to sell, rather than express something artistic. Like all those boy bands that I can't one from the other, or the female pop/courtry singers that have their songs bought for them. Pop, Country, and Christian music are the most industrialized of all genres, IMO. And Christian music might the worst of the three- and I say that from experience. However, no genre is immune from it.

according to wiki 30 million records
Aqua is a Danish dance-pop group, perhaps best known for their 1997 breakthrough single "Barbie Girl". The group formed in 1989, and achieved huge success across the globe in the late 1990s and early 2000s. The group managed to top the UK Singles Chart with their first three singles, a feat few artists have achieved. The group released two albums: Aquarium in 1997 and Aquarius in 2000, before splitting up in July 2001. The group sold an estimated 30 million albums and singles, making them the most successful Danish band ever.[1] The band was formed by Lene Nystrøm Rasted (vocals), Rene Dif (vocals), Søren Rasted (keyboard) and Claus Norreen (guitar).

QuikSsurfer
08-14-2008, 10:39 AM
If I stated that I wonder where people got that impression, it must have been sarcastic. o:-)


Braincase stated that Tremonti is a fine guitarist. I topped that with Alter Bridge is a better band than Creed (essentially the same band, different singer). QS said Alter Bridge was "garbage".

I supplied reasons to the contrary, yet QS refused to respond or to quantify his assessment. I then took aim at his so-called "knowledge" and called him on it. Still, he's refused to quantify his statement, offering only an apology.

The bottom line is that every once in a while, I just HAVE to chime in on the bullshit being passed off as knowledge around here. And if you go back and read my comments, I quantified my opinion. It wasn't just "oh, they suck" or "oh, that band sucks".

In the end, it's all opinion. But if you're going to portray yourself as someone in the "know" (i.e. Look at my talented friends" or "check out my "home studio"), you'd better be able to back that shit up. And to me that means you better quantify your strong opinion.

Again, this IS the media forum.

I didn't feel the need to explain to you why AB doesn't appeal to me... But since you can't seem to drop it and continue to put me down, I'll shed some light - in a nutshell
AB only has its foot out of the generic rock pool because of their direct connection to Creed. I've only listened to their debut (One Day Remains) and it had no standout tracks that would even merit a second listen - including Open Your Eyes. The music sounds way overdone, guitar riffs with little or no hook, 3rd rate lyrics... just stale. The only redeeming quality to this band is Tremonti (certainly NOT his cliche lyrics).
Scott Phillip is not even worth mentioning.
Myles is a good singer with great range BUT he sounds too close to Chris Cornell (like your reference), but to me that mans voice is like knives to a chalkboard.

This started from your post on AB blowing Creed out of the water.
AB couldn't hold Creeds jockstrap and can only dream of reaching their level of success.

Demonpenz
08-14-2008, 10:52 AM
Sometimes you have to step back take a deep breath... and realize that your arguing about alterbridge


ALTERBRIDGE>!>!!JOP@#RJO!J#OPRJOP!!TJ#OP!J#OPT!JOPT!T#UJOP!T#JOP!THOP

QuikSsurfer
08-14-2008, 11:17 AM
Sometimes you have to step back take a deep breath... and realize that your arguing about alterbridge


ALTERBRIDGE>!>!!JOP@#RJO!J#OPRJOP!!TJ#OP!J#OPT!JOPT!T#UJOP!T#JOP!THOP

ROFL

http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f86/quikssurfer/2e1a8zn.gif

I know..... I know

No more Creed or AB talk - I'm done.... Seriously.

DaneMcCloud
08-14-2008, 11:23 AM
I didn't feel the need to explain to you why AB doesn't appeal to me... But since you can't seem to drop it and continue to put me down, I'll shed some light - in a nutshell
AB only has its foot out of the generic rock pool because of their direct connection to Creed. I've only listened to their debut (One Day Remains) and it had no standout tracks that would even merit a second listen - including Open Your Eyes. The music sounds way overdone, guitar riffs with little or no hook, 3rd rate lyrics... just stale. The only redeeming quality to this band is Tremonti (certainly NOT his cliche lyrics).
Scott Phillip is not even worth mentioning.
Myles is a good singer with great range BUT he sounds too close to Chris Cornell (like your reference), but to me that mans voice is like knives to a chalkboard.

This started from your post on AB blowing Creed out of the water.
AB couldn't hold Creeds jockstrap and can only dream of reaching their level of success.

Thank you.

While I disagree with your assessment, I appreciate your response.

Interestingly enough, there are threads all over the web in Pro Audio forums asking how "One Day Remains" and "Blackbird" were recorded. I know studio owners that rushed out to buy $5,000 Diezel Herbert amps, just to get the same guitar tones as these records. The price for Telefunken 251's went up (big time) after it was revealed that was the mic used on Myle's voice (though I don't know how anyone could not know that was the mic used).

FTR, Blackbird is a much stronger record. Myles wrote the majority of the lyrics (unlike it's predecessor, where Tremonti wrote almost everything and just plugged in the vocals) and there's not as much 2-Buss limiting (though I thought that sound suited the songs on the first album).

As far as success, in the age of downloading, it's going to be a while before another rock band comes along and sells 10 million copies of any of their releases.

PunkinDrublic
08-14-2008, 01:03 PM
Can't believe nobody has said Matthew Mcaunehey(can't spell). The guy had one of the most memorable characters ever in Dazed and Confused was awesome in "A time to Kill" but now is just an embarrassment. That guy will play in any movie as long as the director will let him take his shirt off.

BigVE
08-15-2008, 11:07 AM
After reading this entire thread I would have to add DaneMcloud (a STAR in his own mind)...this whole place would be better off if he were gone a long time ago. ;) Good god what a little anus. By the way, saying AB is BETTER than Creed is ONLY an opinion just like saying that Creed is BETTER than AB is ONLY an opinion...your opinion only holds weight in your own mind, nobody else cares what your opinion is. You have no credibility here, your opinion is not valued. NOBODY here cares why you think your opinion is more valuable than someone elses. Your on a CHIEFS message board arguing about AB (sucky band IMO), acting like a dick and then getting mad when someone points it out and then you continue said dick- nesss. Is midnight vulture YOUR alias?

DaneMcCloud
08-15-2008, 01:17 PM
After reading this entire thread I would have to add DaneMcloud (a STAR in his own mind)...this whole place would be better off if he were gone a long time ago. ;) Good god what a little anus. By the way, saying AB is BETTER than Creed is ONLY an opinion just like saying that Creed is BETTER than AB is ONLY an opinion...your opinion only holds weight in your own mind, nobody else cares what your opinion is. You have no credibility here, your opinion is not valued. NOBODY here cares why you think your opinion is more valuable than someone elses. Your on a CHIEFS message board arguing about AB (sucky band IMO), acting like a dick and then getting mad when someone points it out and then you continue said dick- nesss. Is midnight vulture YOUR alias?

Great read.

Thanks for your input.

You'd be sorely missed around here if you ever chose to leave.

PS - It's very clear that reading comprehension isn't your strong suit. You might want to look into improving that.

BigVE
08-15-2008, 01:33 PM
Great read.

Thanks for your input.

You'd be sorely missed around here if you ever chose to leave.

PS - It's very clear that reading comprehension isn't your strong suit. You might want to look into improving that.


Oh thank you, your opinion is SO highly valued...oh, wait, its not. The 3 people who repped me for my comments disagree with you. Seems to me that there is a problem with comprehension here but its not me who has the disability.

DaneMcCloud
08-15-2008, 01:40 PM
Oh thank you, your opinion is SO highly valued...oh, wait, its not. The 3 people who repped me for my comments disagree with you. Seems to me that there is a problem with comprehension here but its not me who has the disability.

Wow, you were repped by THREE people! Woo-hoo!

Keep it up, Sport!

PunkinDrublic
08-16-2008, 11:51 AM
After reading this entire thread I would have to add DaneMcloud (a STAR in his own mind)...this whole place would be better off if he were gone a long time ago. ;) Good god what a little anus. By the way, saying AB is BETTER than Creed is ONLY an opinion just like saying that Creed is BETTER than AB is ONLY an opinion...your opinion only holds weight in your own mind, nobody else cares what your opinion is. You have no credibility here, your opinion is not valued. NOBODY here cares why you think your opinion is more valuable than someone elses. Your on a CHIEFS message board arguing about AB (sucky band IMO), acting like a dick and then getting mad when someone points it out and then you continue said dick- nesss. Is midnight vulture YOUR alias?

Yeah Dane talks a lot of shit on this board but I'm kind of a shit talker myself so it doesn't bother me. I actually enjoy a lot of what he has to say regarding the entertainment industry. He's provided some interesting insights from behind the scenes in Hollywood.

CoMoChief
08-16-2008, 04:37 PM
New Eddie Murphy - retarded
Old Eddie Murphy - one of the best stand up acts ever

ChiefFripp
08-16-2008, 05:05 PM
The Beastie Boys after Check Your Head and The Cure after Disintegration.

Deberg_1990
08-16-2008, 05:40 PM
No George Lucas yet? Imagine his rep and legend if he would have passed away circa 1995?

Deberg_1990
08-16-2008, 05:45 PM
Tommy Lee Jones was great in that movie.

Absolutely. Its still one of my favorite flicks. Never gets old. I just thought it was funny when Dane said that. It immediatley sprung to mind.

alanm
08-17-2008, 09:23 PM
After reading this entire thread I would have to add DaneMcloud (a STAR in his own mind)...this whole place would be better off if he were gone a long time ago. ;) Good god what a little anus. By the way, saying AB is BETTER than Creed is ONLY an opinion just like saying that Creed is BETTER than AB is ONLY an opinion...your opinion only holds weight in your own mind, nobody else cares what your opinion is. You have no credibility here, your opinion is not valued. NOBODY here cares why you think your opinion is more valuable than someone elses. Your on a CHIEFS message board arguing about AB (sucky band IMO), acting like a dick and then getting mad when someone points it out and then you continue said dick- nesss. Is midnight vulture YOUR alias?
THE ROCK DOESN'T CARE WHAT YOU THINK!
j/k