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Lzen
01-10-2009, 02:09 PM
Penn State(dajeff74):
1 - @ #3 USC(TravNasty7)
2 - @ #24 Missouri
3 - BYE
4 - #2 TEXAS(KcGopher)
5 - IOWA
6 - @ #20 Wisconsin
7 - @ #18 Michigan
8 - NORTHWESTERN
9 - @ #10 Ohio State
10 - ILLINOIS
11 - #9 NORTH CAROLINA(Bo Toasty)
12 - @ Indiana
13 - MICHIGAN STATE
14 - BYE
15 - BYE

Lzen
01-10-2009, 02:14 PM
South Carolina(TyrusCobb):
1 - @ Army
2 - #17 GEORGIA
3 - #8 ALABAMA
4 - BYE
5 - @ Auburn
6 - @ Kentucky
7 - @ Maryland
8 - @ Vanderbilt
9 - TENNESSEE
10 - ARKANSAS
11 - @ #6 Florida
12 - #13 WEST VIRGINIA
13 - #11 KANSAS(shredder71)
14 - BYE
15 - BYE

Lzen
01-10-2009, 02:19 PM
Texas(KcGopher):
1 - @ #9 North Carolina(Bo Toasty)
2 - ARKANSAS
3 - BYE
4 - @ #1 Penn State(dajeff74)
5 - IOWA STATE
6 - #15 OKLAHOMA
7 - BAYLOR
8 - @ Nebraska
9 - @ Texas Tech
10 - OKLAHOMA STAE
11 - @ Kansas State
12 - #12 CLEMSON
13 - #14 TEXAS A&M
14 - BYE
15 - BYE

J Diddy
01-10-2009, 02:21 PM
That is really cool. I didn't know you could do that. The other thing is that I forgot you said you had to work today. Obviously, you can look over the schedules if you're at home on the Xbox. ;) I think I might just go ahead and post them on here just for reference.

Hey, is Travnasty around? Just wondering if he was gonna play that bowl game. Just waiting on him and J. Diddy.

dammit so my bowl game didn't take. I won the darn thing 27-6 had a hell of a game and then it wouldn't let me upload my score.

Ea sucks my toes.

I can play it tonight when I get off work, like around 9 or so.

Plus I need to get ahold of travnasty to get my game played with him.

Lzen
01-10-2009, 02:24 PM
USC(Travnasty7):
1 - #1 PENN STATE(dajeff74)
2 - #12 CLEMSON
3 - BYE
4 - #4 CAL
5 - @ Arizona
6 - @ Washington State
7 - WASHINGTON
8 - ARIZONA STATE
9 - BYE
10 - @ Oregon State
11 - @ Stanford
12 - #22 OREGON(Perfect Cr1me)
13 - @ #9 North Carolina(Bo Toasty)
14 - @ #19 UCLA
15 - BYE

Lzen
01-10-2009, 02:30 PM
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KcGopher
01-10-2009, 02:36 PM
hey mecca, when do you want to play? i was hoping to get our game out of the way tonight.

J Diddy
01-10-2009, 02:53 PM
hey mecca, when do you want to play? i was hoping to get our game out of the way tonight.

The 4 steps to Mecca

First he dodges you
Second he bitches about the connection

Third he beats the hell out of you
Fourth he acts like a prick about it.

:D

Lzen
01-10-2009, 03:12 PM
The 4 steps to Mecca

First he dodges you
Second he bitches about the connection

Third he beats the hell out of you
Fourth he acts like a prick about it.

:D

Ahhhh ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaa!! ROFL

J Diddy
01-10-2009, 03:15 PM
dammit so my bowl game didn't take. I won the darn thing 27-6 had a hell of a game and then it wouldn't let me upload my score.

Ea sucks my toes.

I can play it tonight when I get off work, like around 9 or so.

Plus I need to get ahold of travnasty to get my game played with him.

bump lzen in case you didn't see it amongst your schedule pasting madness.

Lzen
01-10-2009, 03:37 PM
bump lzen in case you didn't see it amongst your schedule pasting madness.

Yep, I saw it. And I knew you tried to play last night. I figured the EA servers probably screwed you. That seems to be happening a lot lately. Why don't they fix this crap? :cuss:

J Diddy
01-10-2009, 03:39 PM
Yep, I saw it. And I knew you tried to play last night. I figured the EA servers probably screwed you. That seems to be happening a lot lately. Why don't they fix this crap? :cuss:

college football season is over now, I imagine there will be a lot less interest from their end

Mecca
01-10-2009, 04:26 PM
I think if you take a long hard look at the schedules, you will see that I tried to balance them as much as possible. The only one that I was tough on was Mecca (for obvious reasons).

Because after all the switching of teams and such outside of my friend who just came in as Oregon I now have the worst team? LOL

Even the KU team is B+'s across the board I'm B's....

And we can play sometime tonight, likely after the playoff games.

KcGopher
01-10-2009, 05:26 PM
Because after all the switching of teams and such outside of my friend who just came in as Oregon I now have the worst team? LOL

Even the KU team is B+'s across the board I'm B's....

And we can play sometime tonight, likely after the playoff games.

ok sounds good. i should be off and on most of the night. i send you an invite if i see you online.

Mecca
01-10-2009, 10:41 PM
Well Gopher...I'd say the defending national champion answered the questions in the season opener...

So is it better to be Texas or Duke?

J Diddy
01-10-2009, 10:45 PM
Well Gopher...I'd say the defending national champion answered the questions in the season opener...

So is it better to be Texas or Duke?


my my such arrogance

I think i'll use that to my advantage

Mecca
01-10-2009, 10:48 PM
my my such arrogance

I think i'll use that to my advantage

Just a little ribbing, nothing major he kept it closer with Duke that was all I meant by that.

I really like my defense this year...the pieces are falling into place.

I think the question now for the week is...who's gonna take the game between you and SC?

KcGopher
01-10-2009, 11:12 PM
Well Gopher...I'd say the defending national champion answered the questions in the season opener...

So is it better to be Texas or Duke?

go f*ck yourself

Mecca
01-10-2009, 11:15 PM
Oh cmon, whenever I lose whoever beats me is gonna give me a load of shit...it's just a good natured ribbing it's not like I said you suck balls or something..I know you lack team speed and didn't recruit a whole lot of those players.

Not to mention you're on a ton of the top guys I figured you'd get that it was a joke, you'll probably be able to sign the #1 class.

KcGopher
01-10-2009, 11:15 PM
Just a little ribbing, nothing major he kept it closer with Duke that was all I meant by that.

I really like my defense this year...the pieces are falling into place.

I think the question now for the week is...who's gonna take the game between you and SC?

how so? i lost by over 70 when i had duke. you cocky pr!ck.

Mecca
01-10-2009, 11:19 PM
how so? i lost by over 70 when i had duke. you cocky pr!ck.

No last year......

I'm not a cocky prick damn, you guys need to relax isn't ribbing part of being in a dynasty?

I'm North fuckin Carolina and you guys are Texas, USC, Penn State etc...I'd think you can take a bit of a ribbing.

KcGopher
01-10-2009, 11:30 PM
No last year......

I'm not a cocky prick damn, you guys need to relax isn't ribbing part of being in a dynasty?

I'm North ****in Carolina and you guys are Texas, USC, Penn State etc...I'd think you can take a bit of a ribbing.

ah yes, last season i actually scored a td. in return you ran the score up.

as for texas. i had no clue what i had going in, not that it would have mattered anyway. i couldn't stop your running back who appears to be on crack, or your passing game.

Mecca
01-10-2009, 11:35 PM
On crack, ok I admit that made me laugh..

Eh don't worry you can sign a big time recruiting class with that team...you could just sign all texas guys and be fine.

J Diddy
01-10-2009, 11:47 PM
Just a little ribbing, nothing major he kept it closer with Duke that was all I meant by that.

I really like my defense this year...the pieces are falling into place.

I think the question now for the week is...who's gonna take the game between you and SC?


and that's a big question.

Mecca
01-10-2009, 11:54 PM
and that's a big question.

You know I have to play both you and SC this year....and I'm at your place...I'm not overly thrilled about that...

J Diddy
01-11-2009, 12:41 AM
You know I have to play both you and SC this year....and I'm at your place...I'm not overly thrilled about that...

i was at your place last year....

Lzen
01-11-2009, 07:59 AM
i was at your place last year....
As was I. Which is why he is playing out both our places this year. I notice he didn't even mention having to play me when he was complaining. :shake: That's it, I will use the no respect card to get my team fired up. :D

Mecca
01-11-2009, 02:37 PM
As was I. Which is why he is playing out both our places this year. I notice he didn't even mention having to play me when he was complaining. :shake: That's it, I will use the no respect card to get my team fired up. :D

Your team is like my team you aren't using some powerhouse so I don't give you any kind of hard time.

And what I meant was I don't expect to play at home every time but should I really have Penn State and SC in the same year or Penn State every single year?

We have a bunch of users now, we could rotate those games.

And no I'm not bitching about playing you guys, my schedule is my schedule I just expected to not have 3 of the same 4 users from the year before.

Mecca
01-11-2009, 03:54 PM
Gopher deleted me from his friends list ROFL

Man some people are touchy..I guess I shouldn't be scheduled to play him anymore.

DT58HOF
01-11-2009, 03:57 PM
did we start the season yet? havent logged in since friday night

KcGopher
01-11-2009, 04:00 PM
Dynasty Details
Kansas ........... 89 (ovr) 90 (off) 89 (def) 84 (spt)
Texas ............ 86 (ovr) 86 (off) 89 (def) 91 (spt)
West Virginia ... 81 (ovr) 77 (off) 89 (def) 87 (spt)
USC ............... 96 (ovr) 96 (off) 96 (def) 74 (spt)
Oregon ........... 79 (ovr) 81 (off) 80 (def) 84 (spt)
North Carolina .. 81 (ovr) 83 (off) 85 (def) 87 (spt)
Penn State ...... 94 (ovr) 92 (off) 94 (def) 79 (spt)
South Carolina .. 86 (ovr) 83 (off) 92 (def) 73 (spt)

just fyi

Mecca
01-11-2009, 04:03 PM
did we start the season yet? havent logged in since friday night

Uh yea you're suppose to have your game in by tomorrow...

KcGopher
01-11-2009, 04:03 PM
Gopher deleted me from his friends list ROFL

Man some people are touchy..I guess I shouldn't be scheduled to play him anymore.

yes i did. and i don't care if the commish schedules us. i'll just mark that down as a loss. because there is no way that i can defeat the MLG of NCAA football.

Mecca
01-11-2009, 04:06 PM
yes i did. and i don't care if the commish schedules us. i'll just mark that down as a loss. because there is no way that i can defeat the MLG of NCAA football.

The huh?

3 years later I'm still one of the worst teams.....you should be able to rebuild your team quickly I don't see why you're getting so mad. It's your first year it happens.

DT58HOF
01-11-2009, 04:07 PM
whats the MLG of NCAA Football?

we still in week 1? or did they skip my game?
I want to play my game tonight after football is not on TV,lol

Mecca
01-11-2009, 04:08 PM
whats the MLG of NCAA Football?

we still in week 1? or did they skip my game?
I want to play my game tonight after football is not on TV,lol

You're playing a friend of mine....he'll probably be on sometime take into account he lives in Cali though..

I honestly have no idea what MLG means though...

DT58HOF
01-11-2009, 04:11 PM
I should be on later tonight probably after 9pm est
I play late all the time , so thats good he is from west coast.
Who does he use? im using WVU

KcGopher
01-11-2009, 04:12 PM
oh yes, we should all feel sorry for Mecca since he lost some players. he has no good players on his team or depth. :rolleyes:

QB ...... 83 (ovr) 96 throw power
RB 1 .... 84 (ovr) 96 speed
RB 2 .... 84 (ovr) 98 speed
RB 3 .... 83 (ovr) 97 speed
RB 4 .... 83 (ovr) 97 speed
RB 5 .... 83 (ovr) 91 speed
CB 1 .... 84 (ovr) 98 speed
CB 2 .... 84 (ovr) 94 speed
CB 3 .... 79 (ovr) 96 speed
CB 4 .... 83 (ovr) 92 speed
FS 1 .... 86 (ovr) 94 speed

Mecca
01-11-2009, 04:13 PM
I should be on later tonight probably after 9pm est
I play late all the time , so thats good he is from west coast.
Who does he use? im using WVU

Oregon...

KcGopher
01-11-2009, 04:14 PM
I honestly have no idea what MLG means though...
http://www.mlgpro.com/sites/default/themes/mlg2/_images/logo_mlg_lrg.gif

http://www.mlgpro.com/


Major League Gaming (MLG) is the largest organized league and international sanctioning body for the world's fastest growing competitive sport: professional video gaming. Recognized as the global governing authority for millions of competitive gamers worldwide, MLG's ongoing professional video gaming tournaments have attracted competitors from over 28 countries. Currently expanding worldwide through its international sanctioning body, millions of Major League Gaming fans communicate hourly and participate daily through mlgpro.com, the world's largest competitive video gaming destination. MLG operates its online, television production, game development and product licensing operations through MLG Properties and through MLG Management develops the careers of a roster of the world's most accomplished pro gamers. Headquartered in New York City, Major League Gaming is privately held.

Lzen
01-11-2009, 04:14 PM
whats the MLG of NCAA Football?

we still in week 1? or did they skip my game?
I want to play my game tonight after football is not on TV,lol

Yep, week 1. You play Oregon who is a human controlled team. They dynasty is scheduled to advance tomorrow. You should check your XBL instant messages. Perhaps your opponent has sent you a message about getting together to play that game.

Mecca
01-11-2009, 04:16 PM
oh yes, we should all feel sorry for Mecca since he lost some players. he has no good players on his team or depth. :rolleyes:

QB ...... 83 (ovr) 96 throw power
RB 1 .... 84 (ovr) 96 speed
RB 2 .... 84 (ovr) 98 speed
RB 3 .... 83 (ovr) 97 speed
RB 4 .... 83 (ovr) 97 speed
RB 5 .... 83 (ovr) 91 speed
CB 1 .... 84 (ovr) 98 speed
CB 2 .... 84 (ovr) 94 speed
CB 3 .... 79 (ovr) 96 speed
CB 4 .... 83 (ovr) 92 speed
FS 1 .... 86 (ovr) 94 speed

Hey I found all those guys in recruiting and they're all super young....but lets be fair...the 98 speed RB is redshirted so are a couple of the other ones I only have 3 active RB's.

But yes RB and CB are positions that I have good depth at...

I signed that QB in my first year he was like the 20th overall QB and from my state it wasn't like he was a big time recruit.

Mecca
01-11-2009, 04:17 PM
http://www.mlgpro.com/sites/default/themes/mlg2/_images/logo_mlg_lrg.gif

http://www.mlgpro.com/


Major League Gaming (MLG) is the largest organized league and international sanctioning body for the world's fastest growing competitive sport: professional video gaming. Recognized as the global governing authority for millions of competitive gamers worldwide, MLG's ongoing professional video gaming tournaments have attracted competitors from over 28 countries. Currently expanding worldwide through its international sanctioning body, millions of Major League Gaming fans communicate hourly and participate daily through mlgpro.com, the world's largest competitive video gaming destination. MLG operates its online, television production, game development and product licensing operations through MLG Properties and through MLG Management develops the careers of a roster of the world's most accomplished pro gamers. Headquartered in New York City, Major League Gaming is privately held.

I don't think I could play this game in that, it'd be full of people doing cheese things, I'm a straight sim player, even if you don't like me or I get on your nerves you have to admit I'm as straight of a player as you'll play.

KcGopher
01-11-2009, 04:22 PM
texas -
RB 1 ... 90 (ovr) 87 speed
RB 2 ... 85 (ovr) 86 speed
RB 3 ... 84 (ovr) 82 speed
RB 4 ... 80 (ovr) 88 speed


speed is KING in this game.

KcGopher
01-11-2009, 04:23 PM
I'm a straight sim player, even if you don't like me or I get on your nerves you have to admit I'm as straight of a player as you'll play.

the jury is still out

Mecca
01-11-2009, 04:30 PM
the jury is still out

LOL, what have I done that is remotely cheese? I don't drop way back, I only move with the QB if I have to, I run a base pro style offense, I don't bring any kind of nano blitz that can't be blocked.

And yes speed is very important but I want you to know Ryan Houston was my starting RB last year and he had 87 speed....and I also don't have major WR speed my #2 WR has 87 speed.

But to be fair I know you listed all my RB's only 3 of them are active...and one of them is the 91 speed guy.

J Diddy
01-11-2009, 04:41 PM
LOL, what have I done that is remotely cheese? I don't drop way back, I only move with the QB if I have to, I run a base pro style offense, I don't bring any kind of nano blitz that can't be blocked.

And yes speed is very important but I want you to know Ryan Houston was my starting RB last year and he had 87 speed....and I also don't have major WR speed my #2 WR has 87 speed.

But to be fair I know you listed all my RB's only 3 of them are active...and one of them is the 91 speed guy.

I think he means if he likes you, the jury's out on that

Mecca
01-11-2009, 04:42 PM
I think he means if he likes you, the jury's out on that

Oh...hell you give me a hard time sometimes, it's not big deal, I'm sure I'll lose a game at some point I don't think I'm gonna go 100-0.

Lzen
01-11-2009, 07:13 PM
I should be on later tonight probably after 9pm est
I play late all the time , so thats good he is from west coast.
Who does he use? im using WVU

Perfect Cr1me was just online. He sent me a message asking about you and the game. I said you were supposed to get on this evening. He will probably be back on sometime tonight.

J Diddy
01-11-2009, 09:10 PM
Perfect Cr1me was just online. He sent me a message asking about you and the game. I said you were supposed to get on this evening. He will probably be back on sometime tonight.

still no travnasty though

Lzen
01-11-2009, 09:14 PM
still no travnasty though

Hmm, perhaps he is busy these days with the new baby and all. May have to put him on auto pilot. Give it another day and see if he responds. Or perhaps Gopher can find out something.

As for the offseason stuff in the feedback dynasty, it may just be the 3 of us (Gopher, you, and I). Tycobb said he was out of town until Wednesday and Travnasty doesn't seem to be around much lately. You guys wanna do this offseason stuff tomorrow night?

Lzen
01-11-2009, 09:20 PM
Oh, and on a related note, it looks like Marty and Perfect Cr1me are playing now.

Mecca
01-11-2009, 09:35 PM
My friend is telling me that Marty is playing like well a cheeser.....and that his connection is bad and is starting and stopping..

He said Marty likes to drop 10 yards deep and then run to the sideline on every pass...he's one of those guys apparently and his QB has 87 speed so...he's basically running around with his QB to score...

And that he's somehow exploiting the lag to get plays off...

Apparently someone didn't tell Marty he wasn't to play like a douchebag.

KcGopher
01-11-2009, 09:54 PM
Hmm, perhaps he is busy these days with the new baby and all. May have to put him on auto pilot. Give it another day and see if he responds. Or perhaps Gopher can find out something.

As for the offseason stuff in the feedback dynasty, it may just be the 3 of us (Gopher, you, and I). Tycobb said he was out of town until Wednesday and Travnasty doesn't seem to be around much lately. You guys wanna do this offseason stuff tomorrow night?

i haven't heard from trav today. he said he would be online after the cards game last night.
as for the feedback league when do you want to do it?

KcGopher
01-11-2009, 09:56 PM
My friend is telling me that Marty is playing like well a cheeser.....and that his connection is bad and is starting and stopping..

He said Marty likes to drop 10 yards deep and then run to the sideline on every pass...he's one of those guys apparently and his QB has 87 speed so...

oh boy. it's madden '04 all over again. :rolleyes:

Lzen
01-11-2009, 10:15 PM
My friend is telling me that Marty is playing like well a cheeser.....and that his connection is bad and is starting and stopping..

He said Marty likes to drop 10 yards deep and then run to the sideline on every pass...he's one of those guys apparently and his QB has 87 speed so...he's basically running around with his QB to score...

And that he's somehow exploiting the lag to get plays off...

Apparently someone didn't tell Marty he wasn't to play like a douchebag.

Ummm......I don't see what running around with a QB has to do with being a cheeser. Dropping 10 yards? I could see if someone is dropping 20-30 yards every play, but 10 yards isn't that much. And what exactly does "somehow exploiting the lag" mean. I don't know what everyone else thinks, but that doesn't sound like much to go on to me. Kind of vague.

Mecca
01-11-2009, 10:15 PM
oh boy. it's madden '04 all over again. :rolleyes:

Justice prevails my friend managed to pull out the win, despite his cheeser antics.

Mecca
01-11-2009, 10:16 PM
Ummm......I don't see what running around with a QB has to do with being a cheeser. Dropping 10 yards? I could see if someone is dropping 20-30 yards every play, but 10 yards isn't that much. And what exactly does "somehow exploiting the lag" mean. I don't know what eveyone else thinks, but that doesn't sound like much to go on to me. Kind of vague.

He told me he sacked him for a 20 yard loss...whats that tell you about how he's playing...then on the next play he just around until a guy got open..

That's the kind of stuff I think is cheese, running to the sideline on every pass is pretty bad.

And if that's not cheese I should be able to use my RB at QB as the wildcat then same principle.

KcGopher
01-11-2009, 10:19 PM
Ummm......I don't see what running around with a QB has to do with being a cheeser. Dropping 10 yards? I could see if someone is dropping 20-30 yards every play, but 10 yards isn't that much. And what exactly does "somehow exploiting the lag" mean. I don't know what everyone else thinks, but that doesn't sound like much to go on to me. Kind of vague.

i agree 10 isn't that bad. think of it as a 5 or 7 step drop.

Mecca
01-11-2009, 10:19 PM
i agree 10 isn't that bad. think of it as a 5 or 7 step drop.

I think he meant an extra 10 because he was telling me when he'd sack him it'd be a 20 yard loss.

KcGopher
01-11-2009, 10:23 PM
He told me he sacked him for a 20 yard loss...whats that tell you about how he's playing...then on the next play he just around until a guy got open..

That's the kind of stuff I think is cheese, running to the sideline on every pass is pretty bad.

And if that's not cheese I should be able to use my RB at QB as the wildcat then same principle.

20? i can see how that is possible. see non-MLG players can sometimes lose track of where they are at time. maybe he dropped back to pass but then got chased out of the pocked and kept going back further and further until it was too late? :spock:

Lzen
01-11-2009, 10:23 PM
Also, if your QB has 87 speed, you're probably gonna want to use that advantage. Now if he is somehow using a glitch, that is one thing. But this just sounds to me like a style of football that you don't like. I don't like to try and defend that style either, frankly. But that does not mean it is cheese. Not everybody is gonna play a pro style.

To me, cheese is going for it every 4th down. Subbing a WR with great speed in at QB so that you can run around (I had a dipshit do that to me once. The commish said it was weak and that if you do that, you must use that player at that position always. Now that would be hilarious considering most WRs can't throw the ball with any kind of accuracy). Taking advantage of glitchs in the game rather than playing within the spirit of true football. Throwing a pass late when you're already blowing out your opponent and only need to run or kneel to burn the clock.

Ok, that last one is debatable but is kind of an asshole thing to do. I had a guy do that to me once in an online game. I just quit. There were only a few seconds left.

KcGopher
01-11-2009, 10:24 PM
now if it was 30. i would have a hard time defending that. bad snap?

Mecca
01-11-2009, 10:26 PM
When someone drops that deep and moves they can roll your defenders into lineman....and he wasn't being chased out of the pocket from what I was told his passing game was to take the snap and drop and roll deep to the sideline and then of anyone got close start moving around till someone got open.

KcGopher
01-11-2009, 10:27 PM
To me, cheese is going for it every 4th down.


oops. i had benched my punter well before halftime during my game vs. unc.

Mecca
01-11-2009, 10:27 PM
Also, if your QB has 87 speed, you're probably gonna want to use that advantage. Now if he is somehow using a glitch, that is one thing. But this just sounds to me like a style of football that you don't like. I don't like to try and defend that style either, frankly. But that does not mean it is cheese. Not everybody is gonna play a pro style.

To me, cheese is going for it every 4th down. Subbing a WR with great speed in at QB so that you can run around (I had a dipshit do that to me once. The commish said it was weak and that if you do that, you must use that player at that position always. Now that would be hilarious considering most WRs can't throw the ball with any kind of accuracy). Taking advantage of glitchs in the game rather than playing within the spirit of true football. Throwing a pass late when you're already blowing out your opponent and only need to run or kneel to burn the clock.

Ok, that last one is debatable but is kind of an asshole thing to do. I had a guy do that to me once in an online game. I just quit. There were only a few seconds left.

If you don't think that's cheesing I'm going to use the wildcat on you in our game...since hey teams really do it, and it's actually in my playbook formations to put my rb at qb anyway...I know the Florida playbook has that formation too...

Mecca
01-11-2009, 10:28 PM
oops. i had benched my punter well before halftime during my game vs. unc.

I'd rather you go for it on every 4th down than employ a passing game that is basically using the game AI to block cause you roll so wide and deep you can avoid every rush...

KcGopher
01-11-2009, 10:28 PM
Also, if your QB has 87 speed, you're probably gonna want to use that advantage. Now if he is somehow using a glitch, that is one thing. But this just sounds to me like a style of football that you don't like. I don't like to try and defend that style either, frankly. But that does not mean it is cheese. Not everybody is gonna play a pro style.

To me, cheese is going for it every 4th down. Subbing a WR with great speed in at QB so that you can run around (I had a dipshit do that to me once. The commish said it was weak and that if you do that, you must use that player at that position always. Now that would be hilarious considering most WRs can't throw the ball with any kind of accuracy). Taking advantage of glitchs in the game rather than playing within the spirit of true football. Throwing a pass late when you're already blowing out your opponent and only need to run or kneel to burn the clock.

Ok, that last one is debatable but is kind of an asshole thing to do. I had a guy do that to me once in an online game. I just quit. There were only a few seconds left.

i thought you had to work tomorrow. if not, we should get that offseason stuff done. it shouldnt take but an hour with 3 of us.

Lzen
01-11-2009, 10:28 PM
I asked about this a while back and didn't really get much response. I think it would be beneficial for us to lay some ground rules. Define what exactly we consider cheese or against the spirit of the game. Very minimum, though. I don't want to make a bunch of rules that people always have to be thinking about rater than just playing the game.

For instance, I have been in dynasties where you can't run hurry up or no huddle offense unless it is late in the half or the game and you are down. That is kind of restrictive and I would never want that.

Lzen
01-11-2009, 10:29 PM
oops. i had benched my punter well before halftime during my game vs. unc.

Let me add this.

Unless you are in danger getting blown out or are losing and it is late. Obviously, there are some common sense things here.

Lzen
01-11-2009, 10:30 PM
If you don't think that's cheesing I'm going to use the wildcat on you in our game...since hey teams really do it, and it's actually in my playbook formations to put my rb at qb anyway...I know the Florida playbook has that formation too...

You know what is funny? You bitch and moan about that stuff and then you turn around and do it. :rolleyes::doh!:

KcGopher
01-11-2009, 10:31 PM
I'd rather you go for it on every 4th down than employ a passing game that is basically using the game AI to block cause you roll so wide and deep you can avoid every rush...

i seem to remember you rolling out and droping almost 15-20 yards on a play against me. bought all kinds of time for a WR to get open.
and another thing, what is the deal with down field blocking in this game? if i switch to a player being blocked its like i am glued to the blocker and cant move. even if i try to run away backwards away from the guy. wtf???

Mecca
01-11-2009, 10:32 PM
People do that with no huddle because the no huddle is harder than shit to stop it turns all the offenses into beasts, if you ran it an entire game you'd see that's why people have that rule so no one could do it for the entire game.

Like I said to me cheese is using the game AI to cheat, dropping deep and rolling in the pocket cheats the game AI because you can see the entire field and roll defenders into lineman, when you give yourself 15 seconds to throw someone will get open.

That's way more cheesy than putting a WR or RB in at QB to run a gimmick play, unless you do it for the entire game like he is the QB, like using a guy like he's Percy Harvin is ok my book, like if you do it a few times that's one thing, then it's a gimmick play that teams actually use and it's in team playbooks on there.

The nano blitzes have kind of been solved this year but with the game AI and pass rush this year, the deep drop rolling QB thing is serious cheese because there is no way to stop it.

KcGopher
01-11-2009, 10:33 PM
Let me add this.

Unless you are in danger getting blown out or are losing and it is late. Obviously, there are some common sense things here.

or down 2 + scores to a MLG player

Mecca
01-11-2009, 10:34 PM
i seem to remember you rolling out and droping almost 15-20 yards on a play against me. bought all kinds of time for a WR to get open.
and another thing, what is the deal with down field blocking in this game? if i switch to a player being blocked its like i am glued to the blocker and cant move. even if i try to run away backwards away from the guy. wtf???

Some of the blocking is pretty ridiculous....and yes I had one roll play where I moved because no one was open I was going to throw it away and the guy broke open...but I wasn't 20 yards deep i rolled to the side, I didn't roll back.

I moved outside in the game 3 times 2 of them were thrown out of bounds, it's not like moving is my entire passing playbook I only move as a last resort.

Lzen
01-11-2009, 10:34 PM
I'd rather you go for it on every 4th down than employ a passing game that is basically using the game AI to block cause you roll so wide and deep you can avoid every rush...

See, this is where it becomes difficult to say whether it is taking advantage of a game glitch or just using an advantage. Hell, I like to have QBs who can run around a little bit. Perhaps that is because I am so used to KU's receivers not being great at always getting open and the offensive line not blocking really well. It is a gray area. Now if you're saying he is dropping back 20+ yards and running around on every play until a receiver gets open, that is probably cheesing.

Mecca
01-11-2009, 10:35 PM
You know what is funny? You bitch and moan about that stuff and then you turn around and do it. :rolleyes::doh!:

Have I ever actually run the formation? It's a point......I've seen more wildcat in my life than QB's throwing from the sideline super deep behind the line.

Lzen
01-11-2009, 10:36 PM
i thought you had to work tomorrow. if not, we should get that offseason stuff done. it shouldnt take but an hour with 3 of us.

I do have to work tomorrow. I work M-F 8-5. We can do it tomorrow night.

Mecca
01-11-2009, 10:37 PM
See, this is where it becomes difficult to say whether it is taking advantage of a game glitch or just using an advantage. Hell, I like to have QBs who can run around a little bit. Perhaps that is because I am so used to KU's receivers not being great at always getting open and the offensive line not blocking really well. It is a gray area. Now if you're saying he is dropping back 20+ yards and running around on every play until a receiver gets open, that is probably cheesing.

I played you..you took a normal drop and moved to the side..sometimes you get deep but it's not constantly..what I heard is this guy it was every play...

If you have a play break down and end up deep in the pocket or by the sideline once or twice that's not cheesing, if you use it as a passing strategy then it's cheesing.

KcGopher
01-11-2009, 10:37 PM
See, this is where it becomes difficult to say whether it is taking advantage of a game glitch or just using an advantage. Hell, I like to have QBs who can run around a little bit. Perhaps that is because I am so used to KU's receivers not being great at always getting open and the offensive line not blocking really well. It is a gray area. Now if you're saying he is dropping back 20+ yards and running around on every play until a receiver gets open, that is probably cheesing.

yeah i tried to put a spy on your QB when we played. instead, you gave the ball to davis and ran him down my throat. :doh!:

KcGopher
01-11-2009, 10:39 PM
I do have to work tomorrow. I work M-F 8-5. We can do it tomorrow night.

must be nice. i'm a tues thru sat kind of guy.

Lzen
01-11-2009, 10:39 PM
People do that with no huddle because the no huddle is harder than shit to stop it turns all the offenses into beasts, if you ran it an entire game you'd see that's why people have that rule so no one could do it for the entire game.

That's nonsense. Heh, you know I like to use no huddle at times during a game, too. :D

KcGopher
01-11-2009, 10:40 PM
I do have to work tomorrow. I work M-F 8-5. We can do it tomorrow night.

how does 9 sound?

KcGopher
01-11-2009, 10:41 PM
That's nonsense. Heh, you know I like to use no huddle at times during a game, too. :D

you have 3 time outs per half. use one if you have to. :)

Lzen
01-11-2009, 10:43 PM
yeah i tried to put a spy on your QB when we played. instead, you gave the ball to davis and ran him down my throat. :doh!:

Yeah, I'm really enjoying having a good running game now in both dynasties. Jake Sharp was fast and a good receiver, but he was way to easy to tackle. Crawford was a little better at running, but not as good or fast a receiver. The young backs I have brought in are definitely better.

Lzen
01-11-2009, 10:46 PM
how does 9 sound?

Works for me. Diddy wil probably be okay with that, too. Let's plan for that. You might mention to Travnasty that we are gonna do that if he wants to be in on that. He also has a game against Diddy in the Shredder dynasty.


Mecca,
I would agree that dropping back 20+ yards every play' as part of a strategy, is cheesing.

Mecca
01-11-2009, 10:47 PM
That's nonsense. Heh, you know I like to use no huddle at times during a game, too. :D

I don't care if you no huddle aslong as you don't do it every single time...

I honestly don't bitch about that much stuff but the deep dropping rolling QB is something that can't be defended because of the game AI..

Ask yourself this, could he be successful with a slower QB playing that way..hell my QB has no speed 3 times I moved out of the pocket to throw it away.

People play this way because they take advantage of a flaw in game design to make up for their inability to actually pass the ball..if you get 15 seconds on a pass play someone will eventually get open...

That to me is the big thing, like I said occasionally it happening is 1 thing..as the entire pass game is another, everyone ends up outside the pocket occasionally, no one should be using it as a passing strategy, roll outs don't end 5 feet from the sideline and 15 yards deep lol.

It seems things like the wildcat are thought of as obvious cheese, I think it is if the guy is at QB every single snap but some teams like even my playbook has a formation sub to put my rb or wr in at qb..what makes that cheese and the other thing not?

Mecca
01-11-2009, 10:48 PM
Works for me. Diddy wil probably be okay with that, too. Let's plan for that. You might mention to Travnasty that we are gonna do that if he wants to be in on that. He also has a game against Diddy in the Shredder dynasty.


Mecca,
I would agree that dropping back 20+ yards every play' as part of a strategy, is cheesing.

My friend signed up for the board so he should be able to tell you what was happening....

KcGopher
01-11-2009, 10:52 PM
My friend signed up for the board so he should be able to tell you what was happening....

i may have missed it. but who won the game? the "cheeser"?

Lzen
01-11-2009, 10:53 PM
I don't know about the Wildcat formation. Hell, real teams do it so I guess it might be kind of hard to call it cheese. It just sucked for me when that dude was Oklahoma and he did not need to use that weak shit against my KU team who was 20 + points lower rated.

In any case, see my previous post about deep dropping every play. I agree that it is weak and cheese. But the first impression I got was the guy was dropping 10 yards. You can easily drop 5-6 yards on a deep pass play 7 step drop. 10 yards is not really out of the question. And frankly, if your offensive line is good and your QB is a good passer, that is actually the worse thing you can do.

Lzen
01-11-2009, 10:55 PM
Well ok. I am going to bed. Look forward to checking out all the fun posts in this thread tomorrow. Night gents.

Mecca
01-11-2009, 10:55 PM
i may have missed it. but who won the game? the "cheeser"?

My friend won..he told me the guy did a play where he ran around for 15 seconds threw it deep and then proceded to stop at the one to pull a Westbrook..but he was losing by a TD when he did this..

Then he got a false start...he sacks him on 1st and 2nd down...3rd down my friend gives him a little underneath play. 4th down...he scrambles for like 15 seconds, finds his te wide open in the flat, my freshman FS tackles him at the 2, game over.

That was how he described the ending to me.

Mecca
01-11-2009, 10:56 PM
I don't know about the Wildcat formation. Hell, real teams do it so I guess it might be kind of hard to call it cheese. It just sucked for me when that dude was Oklahoma and he did not need to use that weak shit against my KU team who was 20 + points lower rated.

In any case, see my previous post about deep dropping every play. I agree that it is weak and cheese. But the first impression I got was the guy was dropping 10 yards. You can easily drop 5-6 yards on a deep pass play 7 step drop. 10 yards is not really out of the question. And frankly, if your offensive line is good and your QB is a good passer, that is actually the worse thing you can do.

Yea I think he meant like an extra 10 because he was saying sacks were 20 yard losses.

DT58HOF
01-11-2009, 11:01 PM
are you serious? I really screwed up tonight in my game.
Im playing meccas buddy,lol
im WVU he's Oregon, i have slow white QB's
my starter is hurt 6 plays into the game.
I dominate the game in stats,lol
He is up 21-8 at half, I tie the game, we go to the 4th tied at 21
so 2 min to go he has the ball im down 7 he passes the ball, im thinking wtf was he doing? lol
So i drive to midfield, a big play 40 seconds to go im running around high stepping and i get tackled on the 1 on purpose, 1st and goal sacked,2nd sacked back at the 32,lol
3rd and goal at the 32 i pass for 21 yards to the 11
4th and goal to go the pass is caught he breaks tackles in the flat and stopped short at the 2 yardline, i am such a focking idiot!!

DT58HOF
01-11-2009, 11:02 PM
My friend won..he told me the guy did a play where he ran around for 15 seconds threw it deep and then proceded to stop at the one to pull a Westbrook..but he was losing by a TD when he did this..

Then he got a false start...he sacks him on 1st and 2nd down...3rd down my friend gives him a little underneath play. 4th down...he scrambles for like 15 seconds, finds his te wide open in the flat, my freshman FS tackles him at the 2, game over.

That was how he described the ending to me.
I still think im gonna cry, I can't believe i did that shit!!,lol

Mecca
01-11-2009, 11:03 PM
If you're at the 1 and get sacked at the 32 you're admitting to doing something you shouldn't be doing....

Really man this is suppose to be a sim dynasty not a drop 20 yards back cheese it up to win dynasty.

KcGopher
01-11-2009, 11:05 PM
If you're at the 1 and get sacked at the 32 you're admitting to doing something you shouldn't be doing....


i hate to admit it. but he is right. :stupid:

J Diddy
01-11-2009, 11:08 PM
9 should be good for me

J Diddy
01-11-2009, 11:10 PM
i hate to admit it. but he is right. :stupid:
agreed

DT58HOF
01-11-2009, 11:10 PM
My friend is telling me that Marty is playing like well a cheeser.....and that his connection is bad and is starting and stopping..

He said Marty likes to drop 10 yards deep and then run to the sideline on every pass...he's one of those guys apparently and his QB has 87 speed so...he's basically running around with his QB to score...

And that he's somehow exploiting the lag to get plays off...

Apparently someone didn't tell Marty he wasn't to play like a douchebag. untrue, First I was playing with guys i didn't know anything about
my QB with 87 speed was hurt on 1st drive of game and was out for remainder, I played 4 QBs and they were all slow, I threw fior 389 yards on him. I dominated the game turned the ball over and did a dumb thing stopping at the 1 yard line, my internet connection? u mean i have a good one, his may have sucked:

My Internet Speed
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I was using a team for the first time, I played with a gay playbook,dominated the game but did dumb stuff, I could play that dude 100 times he would win maybe 3 times.
Cheese? you mean like going for it on 4th and 3 on own 34 on first drive of game? yeah that was your boy.
Seriously i had no idea i had so many bums on WVU.
I play 1 more user, whats up with the scheduling?

KcGopher
01-11-2009, 11:12 PM
untrue, First I was playing with guys i didn't know anything about
my QB with 87 speed was hurt on 1st drive of game and was out for remainder, I played 4 QBs and they were all slow, I threw fior 389 yards on him. I dominated the game turned the ball over and did a dumb thing stopping at the 1 yard line, my internet connection? u mean i have a good one, his may have sucked:

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I was using a team for the first time, I played with a gay playbook,dominated the game but did dumb stuff, I could play that dude 100 times he would win maybe 3 times.
Cheese? you mean like going for it on 4th and 3 on own 34 on first drive of game? yeah that was your boy.
Seriously i had no idea i had so many bums on WVU.
I play 1 more user, whats up with the scheduling?

just fyi. your upload speed matters more than your download speed.

Mecca
01-11-2009, 11:12 PM
He and I have played a bunch of games and never had a connection problem....I know how he plays cause I've played him but this dropping 20 yards deep stuff is ridiculous you can't play that way.

I'd hope you threw for alot of yards with the deep drops.

J Diddy
01-11-2009, 11:13 PM
Can't we download replays to the computer? I mean if there is a questionable play then download it and let the court decide.

KcGopher
01-11-2009, 11:14 PM
He and I have played a bunch of games and never had a connection problem....I know how he plays cause I've played him but this dropping 20 yards deep stuff is ridiculous you can't play that way.

I'd hope you threw for alot of yards with the deep drops.

travnasty is bad about his drop backs. drop 15 to 20 yards for a 5 yard gain. ROFL

DT58HOF
01-11-2009, 11:14 PM
If you're at the 1 and get sacked at the 32 you're admitting to doing something you shouldn't be doing....

Really man this is suppose to be a sim dynasty not a drop 20 yards back cheese it up to win dynasty.

I play for money, Cheese? by using a running QB?
gtfo
I had a penalty to put me at the 6 and ran for my life because the QB' sucked and he was on an all out blitz.
People that cry about cheese just don't know how to play the game.
I don't need to be in your dynasty if your gonna cry, I made my changes and for sure will finish 12-1, I had no idea that you guys were in the year 2012, i thoguth we were using the real teams and i figured we would play more games vs user teams.
Sorry for throwing for 389 thats Cheezin,LOL

J Diddy
01-11-2009, 11:15 PM
He and I have played a bunch of games and never had a connection problem....I know how he plays cause I've played him but this dropping 20 yards deep stuff is ridiculous you can't play that way.

I'd hope you threw for alot of yards with the deep drops.


What about going for it 4 and 3 at his own 34?

That doesn't sound too realistic.

DT58HOF
01-11-2009, 11:15 PM
just fyi. your upload speed matters more than your download speed.

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Mecca
01-11-2009, 11:16 PM
Can't we download replays to the computer? I mean if there is a questionable play then download it and let the court decide.

My friend said he'll explain it when his registration gets accepted on here, he and I have played numerous times, no connection issues or cheese issues so I know how he plays.

I figured it was well known if you're joining a sim dynasty you don't take super deep drops and roll to the sideline every pass play.

DT58HOF
01-11-2009, 11:16 PM
What about going for it 4 and 3 at his own 34?

That doesn't sound too realistic. on the first drive of the game.

DT58HOF
01-11-2009, 11:17 PM
My friend said he'll explain it when his registration gets accepted on here, he and I have played numerous times, no connection issues or cheese issues so I know how he plays.

I figured it was well known if you're joining a sim dynasty you don't take super deep drops and roll to the sideline every pass play.

389 yards checkout the stats
over 200 was to my running back.

KcGopher
01-11-2009, 11:18 PM
Can't we download replays to the computer? I mean if there is a questionable play then download it and let the court decide.

right after the game there is an option to save certain plays. i'm guessing if it was a sack for a 30 yard loss it would be listed. then he would have to upload the play to EA.

Mecca
01-11-2009, 11:18 PM
I play for money, Cheese? by using a running QB?
gtfo
I had a penalty to put me at the 6 and ran for my life because the QB' sucked and he was on an all out blitz.
People that cry about cheese just don't know how to play the game.
I don't need to be in your dynasty if your gonna cry, I made my changes and for sure will finish 12-1, I had no idea that you guys were in the year 2012, i thoguth we were using the real teams and i figured we would play more games vs user teams.
Sorry for throwing for 389 thats Cheezin,LOL

Dude taking advantage of game AI is not knowing how to play the game..you're using a flaw in the game design..

Anyone can do that, there's no skill in it. That has nothing to do with knowing how to play the game.

I could put the fastest player on my team at QB pick Haily Mary and run for 50 yards is that knowing how to play the game?

J Diddy
01-11-2009, 11:19 PM
I play for money, Cheese? by using a running QB?
gtfo
I had a penalty to put me at the 6 and ran for my life because the QB' sucked and he was on an all out blitz.
People that cry about cheese just don't know how to play the game.
I don't need to be in your dynasty if your gonna cry, I made my changes and for sure will finish 12-1, I had no idea that you guys were in the year 2012, i thoguth we were using the real teams and i figured we would play more games vs user teams.
Sorry for throwing for 389 thats Cheezin,LOL

Yeah, you should play mecca online right now and then tell him afterwards he doesn't know how to play the game.LOL.

Meccas got an online record of like over 100 wins and 9 losses and has won 3 straight championships on here.

We play the game as if it's a real game. Running 30 yards back and waiting for the computer to drop coverage is unrealistic. Wouldn't happen in real life ever. that's not the spirit of the game and that's not how we play.

Yes we've been in this dynasty for many seasons and everyone has a special place in their heart for a realistic game. If you don't want to play a realistic game by all means gtfo.

J Diddy
01-11-2009, 11:19 PM
right after the game there is an option to save certain plays. i'm guessing if it was a sack for a 30 yard loss it would be listed. then he would have to upload the play to EA.


You can save 5 of all the plays. I suggest that's how we do that.

DT58HOF
01-11-2009, 11:20 PM
My friend said he'll explain it when his registration gets accepted on here, he and I have played numerous times, no connection issues or cheese issues so I know how he plays.

I figured it was well known if you're joining a sim dynasty you don't take super deep drops and roll to the sideline every pass play.

so is running the ball with Pat White cheezin?
I use running QB's and throw crossing patterns to the TE and WR and backs in the flats, i bet i didn't have more than 1 pass over 30 yards in the game, I broke his ankles like 4 times.
Seriously explain cheesin? Like i said i could beat him 97 times out of 100
he really does suck!!

DT58HOF
01-11-2009, 11:20 PM
mecca u wanna play?

Mecca
01-11-2009, 11:20 PM
What about going for it 4 and 3 at his own 34?

That doesn't sound too realistic.

I asked him and he said...

it was 4th and 1 at the 40 i handed off right up the middle. i didnt want to punt the ball when i knew he was cheesing on offense

I can relate I went for it on 4th and 1 at my own end against the UCLA cheeser...

KcGopher
01-11-2009, 11:20 PM
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J Diddy
01-11-2009, 11:22 PM
mecca u wanna play?
jesus mecca play this guy


PLEASE

DT58HOF
01-11-2009, 11:23 PM
I asked him and he said...

it was 4th and 1 at the 40 i handed off right up the middle. i didnt want to punt the ball when i knew he was cheesing on offense

I can relate I went for it on 4th and 1 at my own end against the UCLA cheeser...

He's a lying fool, he had the ball first and went for it on 4th and 3 and i was in punt return, I don't cheese get online and i will show u

Mecca
01-11-2009, 11:23 PM
And no I'm not playing a game right now...

If you use his running to open up passes every single time yes it is cheese when you get that deep...if you run the option no...treating every play like a busted play to get plays off is cheesing.

KcGopher
01-11-2009, 11:23 PM
just what this league needs. another c0cky pr!ck :rolleyes:

DT58HOF
01-11-2009, 11:23 PM
jesus mecca play this guy


PLEASE
He want's no parts of me!!

J Diddy
01-11-2009, 11:23 PM
MU vs OU (feedback league)

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that's pretty bad ass

J Diddy
01-11-2009, 11:23 PM
He want's no parts of me!!


hey I'll play you chief

Mecca
01-11-2009, 11:24 PM
He's a lying fool, he had the ball first and went for it on 4th and 3 and i was in punt return, I don't cheese get online and i will show u

You pretty much admitted you cheese......you may not think it is, that doesn't mean it's not.

DT58HOF
01-11-2009, 11:24 PM
Yeah, you should play mecca online right now and then tell him afterwards he doesn't know how to play the game.LOL.

Meccas got an online record of like over 100 wins and 9 losses and has won 3 straight championships on here.

We play the game as if it's a real game. Running 30 yards back and waiting for the computer to drop coverage is unrealistic. Wouldn't happen in real life ever. that's not the spirit of the game and that's not how we play.

Yes we've been in this dynasty for many seasons and everyone has a special place in their heart for a realistic game. If you don't want to play a realistic game by all means gtfo.

and if i was in the league from the get go, I would have a few titles as well. I was playing with bums that i did not recruit.

KcGopher
01-11-2009, 11:25 PM
that's pretty bad ass

thanks. that was against shredder's boy feedback last season. that same WR put up nearly 300 yards on shredder in a losing effort. :(

DT58HOF
01-11-2009, 11:25 PM
hey I'll play you chief

add me marty21502

J Diddy
01-11-2009, 11:25 PM
and if i was in the league from the get go, I would have a few titles as well. I was playing with bums that i did not recruit.

Like I said, I'll play you.

DT58HOF
01-11-2009, 11:26 PM
im logging on now!!

Mecca
01-11-2009, 11:26 PM
He want's no parts of me!!

I don't need to in any way "prove myself" I think I've done that time and time again.

Also a line like "my fast QB got hurt so I was screwed" tells me how you play.

KcGopher
01-11-2009, 11:27 PM
hey I'll play you chief

"i'm your huckleberry" :D

DT58HOF
01-11-2009, 11:27 PM
I don't need to in any way "prove myself" I think I've done that time and time again.

Also a line like "my fast QB got hurt so I was screwed" tells me how you play.
you're right run the option like no other

J Diddy
01-11-2009, 11:27 PM
add me marty21502

sent the request

dajeff74

Mecca
01-11-2009, 11:28 PM
I'd like to add someone telling me I don't know how to play this game is classic.

KcGopher
01-11-2009, 11:35 PM
sent the request

dajeff74

send me a message with the final score and be sure to save a few highlights of the "cheeser".

Mecca
01-11-2009, 11:37 PM
I wonder if he'll try to not play cheesy this time lol.

Mecca
01-11-2009, 11:47 PM
This is from my friend since he can't post yet here since he's not approved...so I'll post it for him since he asked me to.
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Ok, to the WVU guy.. i don't believe the lag was something you were doing intentionally, it didn't happen at all in the second half. I think the connection was just a little screwy on one of our sides.

Now that that is out of the way..i didn't really expect this to become as big a deal as it has. I was just IMing Mecca during the game and had planned to shoot a message to shredder about it..i didn't know it would make it over to this board.but yeah, dude, you were cheesing.

first of all, the fact that you admit you couldn't do anything once your 87 speed QB went out pretty much backs that up. but the guys behind him were like 79 and 78 speed so i wouldn't exactly call them "slow". when you snap the ball, run back 10+ yards and then cut to the sideline, that is cheese. the game AI gets confused and when you scramble around long enough, guys start running wide open. i don't care about playing a guy with a fast QB but i expect to play a "straight" game..which means seeing stuff that would actually happen in real life. in real life, it would be impossible for a fast QB to run 20 yards back, scramble to the right and complete a pass downfield, which is what you basically did all game.

you admitted it when you said i had you at the one and then pushed you back to the 32 after a sack. that doesn't happen on a normal dropback. i finished the game with like 8 sacks, because you scrambled out EVERY TIME. and you'd either take advantage of the AI when you did that, or i'd sack you because i started blitzing my CB.

if anyone doesn't believe me, look at his QB rush yards when the stats update for the week. i bet he'll have nearly -100 combined rush yards between his QB's because everytime i sacked him it was for like a 20 yard loss after he scrambled around forever.

as for my 4th down...it was 4th and 1 at like the 40 and i ran straight up the middle with my runningback. that's not exploiting the game in anyway. that's me taking a chance because i didn't think i could stop you on defense with the way you were playing.

J Diddy
01-12-2009, 12:27 AM
yeah I beat him

Yeah, how do you upload video so you can see for yourself?

Mecca
01-12-2009, 12:29 AM
yeah I beat him

Yeah, how do you upload video so you can see for yourself?

I've never done that......you save them to your harddrive then I think when you go to watch them there's an upload option.

DT58HOF
01-12-2009, 12:32 AM
39-36 final, I couldn't stop Derrick Williams, How do i cheese by running play action and getting wide?

DT58HOF
01-12-2009, 12:34 AM
when u run play action with the fake going to the outside and roll back the other way and the CB is coming yes i have to move backwards to avoid being sacked.

Mecca
01-12-2009, 12:39 AM
Here's a whole video full of cheese plays...

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DT58HOF
01-12-2009, 12:44 AM
damn crazy, I dont drop back nothing like that but pat white running the ball, how is that cheesing?

Mecca
01-12-2009, 12:46 AM
damn crazy, I dont drop back nothing like that but pat whote runnign the ball, how is that cheesing?

If you drop deep and to the left/right before you run like that it can't be defended...especially if it's a pass play...the pass rush on this game is basically broken...plays like QB contain don't work...

Stuff like this is why alot of online players won't play people that use teams with fast QB's they can just scramble around till someone eventually gets open, it's working the game AI and flaws.

J Diddy
01-12-2009, 12:50 AM
damn crazy, I dont drop back nothing like that but pat whote runnign the ball, how is that cheesing?

dude, there was a play that was a 2 point conversion. I saved the video and will be uploading it shortly. you threw the ball from your 30. Plus what was the whole flipping the onside kick crap where I couldn't audible? and you had the lead. Your whole offense is based on taking the snap using the speed run button to get to the outside. Once I countered that with my corners blitzing you couldn't do anything except run straight backwards. I couldn't count on my hands and feet how many times you threw it from 20-30 behind the LOS. Perfect example is when it was 4th and goal and I went for it and you stopped me. You got the ball and immediately was a safety, couldn't run back couldn't run to the side.


it was a close game i'll give you that. You take away those two fumbles and it wasn't at all.

Mecca
01-12-2009, 12:54 AM
dude, there was a play that was a 2 point conversion. I saved the video and will be uploading it shortly. you threw the ball from your 30. Plus what was the whole flipping the onside kick crap where I couldn't audible? and you had the lead. Your whole offense is based on taking the snap using the speed run button to get to the outside. Once I countered that with my corners blitzing you couldn't do anything except run straight backwards. I couldn't count on my hands and feet how many times you threw it from 20-30 behind the LOS. Perfect example is when it was 4th and goal and I went for it and you stopped me. You got the ball and immediately was a safety, couldn't run back couldn't run to the side.


it was a close game i'll give you that. You take away those two fumbles and it wasn't at all.

So basically he did exactly what he was accused of doing?

J Diddy
01-12-2009, 12:55 AM
So basically he did exactly what he was accused of doing?


Yeah, but i don't think it's his fault.

Mecca
01-12-2009, 01:00 AM
Yeah, but i don't think it's his fault.

Because he's using a cheeser team?

Florida and WV are the ultimate cheeser teams......

J Diddy
01-12-2009, 01:05 AM
Because he's using a cheeser team?

Florida and WV are the ultimate cheeser teams......

I really don't think he's trying to cheese. i just don't think he knows how to play it right.

Mecca
01-12-2009, 01:06 AM
I really don't think he's trying to cheese. i just don't think he knows how to play it right.

Oh so basically he's dumb...that doesn't really make it ok though because it's suppose to be a sim dynasty, if he didn't have a fast QB he basically couldn't play.

J Diddy
01-12-2009, 01:12 AM
Oh so basically he's dumb...that doesn't really make it ok though because it's suppose to be a sim dynasty, if he didn't have a fast QB he basically couldn't play.


Oh yeah he'd be screwed. Like I said the score was 39-36 but 16 of his points came from the fumble recoveries for tds and 1 was a qb run for like 70 yards.

Mecca
01-12-2009, 01:15 AM
Oh yeah he'd be screwed. Like I said the score was 39-36 but 16 of his points came from the fumble recoveries for tds and 1 was a qb run for like 70 yards.

Now you see why my friend Imed me with...I thought you said this was a sim dynasty, yes?

I think him questioning if I know how to play the game is alot funnier now...

J Diddy
01-12-2009, 01:20 AM
Now you see why my friend Imed me with...I thought you said this was a sim dynasty, yes?

I think him questioning if I know how to play the game is alot funnier now...

It's gonna be funny when I whip you in happy valley.......

Mecca
01-12-2009, 01:25 AM
It's gonna be funny when I whip you in happy valley.......

You should just prepare yourself to go down to NC on your homefield.....I believe your last home loss was to me...it's a trend.

J Diddy
01-12-2009, 01:29 AM
You should just prepare yourself to go down to NC on your homefield.....I believe your last home loss was to me...it's a trend.



youve been my only loss the last 2 years

Mecca
01-12-2009, 01:33 AM
youve been my only loss the last 2 years

You know I finally moved up to 10th on the toughest places to play thing...

I will say this, this is by far the fastest team I've had on defense, my defensive pieces are falling into place...but it's my 3rd QB in 3 years so we'll see how that plays out...

J Diddy
01-12-2009, 01:34 AM
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01-12-2009, 01:37 AM
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01-12-2009, 01:38 AM
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J Diddy
01-12-2009, 01:39 AM
anyhow this pretty much the gist of it

Mecca
01-12-2009, 01:41 AM
That's really really bad.....

J Diddy
01-12-2009, 01:45 AM
That's really really bad.....

The thing he did that pissed me off, and I mean PISSED me off. He scored the go ahead td, was up by 2 points almost a full quarter to play Was going to onside it, I didn't notice because I ran up to check the stove. Came back and had to burn a timeout. Came out in the onside formation, he was in regular and i audibled to regular, then he audibled to onside, then I audibled to onside then he audibled to kickoff and I couldn't audible back to kickoff.


That's where one of his fumble recoveries was.

J Diddy
01-12-2009, 01:48 AM
I've never done that......you save them to your harddrive then I think when you go to watch them there's an upload option.


www.easportsworld.com

from the shrine on your xbox it asks if you want to upload, pick share, copy the embed code and whammo

Mecca
01-12-2009, 01:51 AM
Some of those plays are really bad...my friend using Oregon I can see why he had an issue since it's his first year and all, without team speed defending that shit is hard..

Now my entire defense is based around team speed...

J Diddy
01-12-2009, 01:55 AM
Some of those plays are really bad...my friend using Oregon I can see why he had an issue since it's his first year and all, without team speed defending that shit is hard..

Now my entire defense is based around team speed...

He literally got 2 scores quick on me and yes he did go for it on a 4th and 17 from his own 30. Once I went to the quarter cb blitz man cover he didn't move except for the qb run and the occasional fluke play.

Mecca
01-12-2009, 01:56 AM
I have to worry about Kansas before I worry about you....I can't be looking past anyone at this point.

J Diddy
01-12-2009, 01:57 AM
I have to worry about Kansas before I worry about you....I can't be looking past anyone at this point.


hell if I win one game this year and it's you it'll be a good year.

Mecca
01-12-2009, 01:58 AM
He literally got 2 scores quick on me and yes he did go for it on a 4th and 17 from his own 30. Once I went to the quarter cb blitz man cover he didn't move except for the qb run and the occasional fluke play.

LOL you do the exact same thing I do if someone rolls every play.......I blitz CB's every single time because they'll run into them.

J Diddy
01-12-2009, 02:02 AM
LOL you do the exact same thing I do if someone rolls every play.......I blitz CB's every single time because they'll run into them.

thats where i got the idea

Mecca
01-12-2009, 02:09 AM
I take serious pride in not giving up points and playing outstanding defense on that game because well offense isn't that hard on there but defense is.

Mecca
01-12-2009, 03:13 AM
I was looking at something and I have an honest question here...don't take this the wrong way or anything..

But if we are doing a sim dynasty here...Lzen honest question...

Do you really think it is in the spirit of the game to make RB's and WR's defensive ends? I mean you're kind of exploiting a flaw in the game...they don't have defensive ratings, like your 90 DE was a RB, yes I'm aware of that, his rating is purely based off his speed and acceleration ratings because he doesn't have defensive ratings...yet on this game his speed rating is all that matters he will literally kill an OT because of it..I know cause I saw it last year...

I'd like to know what your thought on this is because if everyone recruited RB's with say 90 speed and made then DE's and put them on both sides you'd just sack the other guy every single time, it kinda ruins the game.

I'm fine if you put a slower WR at TE..I'm fine if you move a HB to FB or a slower safety to LB..but when you start making RB's DE's or putting a guy with 90+ speed at TE you're taking advantage of the game, when a guy's lineman moves and tackling are in the 40's he should get blown away by an OT, not destroy him but on this game he destroys them.

I've noticed that you moved the 1...I let that go and didn't say anything I now see that you've got a guy who is 186lbs over there with 90 speed and 97 acceleration..
so I'm seeing a trend.

Is it really fair to line him up at DE even though well he's not a DE and could never really play DE? I'm seeing a trend and I don't want to play someone who has a bunch of offensive skill players lined up at DE because all they'll do is run around the OT's...

J Diddy
01-12-2009, 07:13 AM
I was looking at something and I have an honest question here...don't take this the wrong way or anything..

But if we are doing a sim dynasty here...Lzen honest question...

Do you really think it is in the spirit of the game to make RB's and WR's defensive ends? I mean you're kind of exploiting a flaw in the game...they don't have defensive ratings, like your 90 DE was a RB, yes I'm aware of that, his rating is purely based off his speed and acceleration ratings because he doesn't have defensive ratings...yet on this game his speed rating is all that matters he will literally kill an OT because of it..I know cause I saw it last year...

I'd like to know what your thought on this is because if everyone recruited RB's with say 90 speed and made then DE's and put them on both sides you'd just sack the other guy every single time, it kinda ruins the game.

I'm fine if you put a slower WR at TE..I'm fine if you move a HB to FB or a slower safety to LB..but when you start making RB's DE's or putting a guy with 90+ speed at TE you're taking advantage of the game, when a guy's lineman moves and tackling are in the 40's he should get blown away by an OT, not destroy him but on this game he destroys them.

I've noticed that you moved the 1...I let that go and didn't say anything I now see that you've got a guy who is 186lbs over there with 90 speed and 97 acceleration..
so I'm seeing a trend.

Is it really fair to line him up at DE even though well he's not a DE and could never really play DE? I'm seeing a trend and I don't want to play someone who has a bunch of offensive skill players lined up at DE because all they'll do is run around the OT's...

First the biggest flaw in the game is the lack of ability to pressure with the d-line. If you line up a 186 pound guy at de he is gonna get killed by the run. So you're trading alot of strength for speed. That and he probably won't be able to tackle for poop. Same with the te. It's not like they are giving us a ton of te's to recruit every year. So must of us are using converted wr's as te--I know I am.

The game gives you options to move positions and takes into account overall skill when switching positions. I think that we let the game take care of that.

Lzen
01-12-2009, 09:40 AM
Here's a whole video full of cheese plays...

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1st play = cheese all the way
2nd play = not cheese
3rd play = not cheese
4th play = cheese
5th play = not cheese
6th play = one might consider that cheese but I would question that because you are supposed to drop back and invite the defense in to your QB on a screen pass. Obviously, that was a lot more drop than most real teams would do.
7th play = Pat White on defense? That is definitely not realistic. WV would not risk him playing defense. He would wear out or possibly get injured. Probably cheesing but it is a gray area.
8th play = not cheese
9th play = White on defense again? Hell, the OU guy sucks. And he is also cheesing by dropping back and moving back and forth, too. Just that his QB is not that fast.
10th play = Again a screen. Although it probably could be considered cheese. You gotta put some pressure on the QB. The OU guy went to coverage all the way but even that did not work.

I am not gonna go through that whole video but there are my thoughts on the first 10 plays. Tell me what you all think?

Lzen
01-12-2009, 09:44 AM
The thing he did that pissed me off, and I mean PISSED me off. He scored the go ahead td, was up by 2 points almost a full quarter to play Was going to onside it, I didn't notice because I ran up to check the stove. Came back and had to burn a timeout. Came out in the onside formation, he was in regular and i audibled to regular, then he audibled to onside, then I audibled to onside then he audibled to kickoff and I couldn't audible back to kickoff.


That's where one of his fumble recoveries was.

Ok, that is BS and cheese.

DT58HOF
01-12-2009, 09:54 AM
I lined up onside, i squib the ball downfield, he calls timeout
I line up normal kick, he is in onside recovery i kick deep he fumbles, not cheese, all you have to do is learn how to audible, I wouldn't have to do that if EA would put the Squib kicks back in the game, Everytime i kicked off deep normal he returned it back to the 40

DT58HOF
01-12-2009, 10:02 AM
Guys that say they are sim players are just guys that don't know how to play the game. If you have a running QB and move around to make plays thats what you are supposed to do, I do not ever drop back and throw deep down field.
If your blitzing like happend in that 1 video i ran backwards so i could throw the ball away. I can play the game with passing QB's i just play the game to the stayle of the teamim using at the time. There is no such thing as cheesing,because when someone scrambles, you have to switch to the pass rusher and when he passes the ball switch to the defender get the user pick!!
Noone told me it was a sim league if so let me know and i will bailout of your sim league.

Lzen
01-12-2009, 10:03 AM
He literally got 2 scores quick on me and yes he did go for it on a 4th and 17 from his own 30. Once I went to the quarter cb blitz man cover he didn't move except for the qb run and the occasional fluke play.

What was the time left and game situation? If it was early and the game was still close or he was ahead when he went for it on his own 30, that is definitely cheese and we don't want that.

I was looking at something and I have an honest question here...don't take this the wrong way or anything..

But if we are doing a sim dynasty here...Lzen honest question...

Do you really think it is in the spirit of the game to make RB's and WR's defensive ends? I mean you're kind of exploiting a flaw in the game...they don't have defensive ratings, like your 90 DE was a RB, yes I'm aware of that, his rating is purely based off his speed and acceleration ratings because he doesn't have defensive ratings...yet on this game his speed rating is all that matters he will literally kill an OT because of it..I know cause I saw it last year...

I'd like to know what your thought on this is because if everyone recruited RB's with say 90 speed and made then DE's and put them on both sides you'd just sack the other guy every single time, it kinda ruins the game.

I'm fine if you put a slower WR at TE..I'm fine if you move a HB to FB or a slower safety to LB..but when you start making RB's DE's or putting a guy with 90+ speed at TE you're taking advantage of the game, when a guy's lineman moves and tackling are in the 40's he should get blown away by an OT, not destroy him but on this game he destroys them.

I've noticed that you moved the 1...I let that go and didn't say anything I now see that you've got a guy who is 186lbs over there with 90 speed and 97 acceleration..
so I'm seeing a trend.

Is it really fair to line him up at DE even though well he's not a DE and could never really play DE? I'm seeing a trend and I don't want to play someone who has a bunch of offensive skill players lined up at DE because all they'll do is run around the OT's...

No, it is not. I had a problem with too many RBs. I needed help at DE. On the position change, it showed that he had a pretty good rating at DE. So I made the change. It's not like I change him in and out at RB and DE during games. He changed over to DE before last season and has remained since. This was one rare time where a guy had a good rating at another position that you wouldn't think he would normally. He is a bit of a liability in the run game due to his smaller size, though.

And quite frankly, I am not gonna agree with not being able to change a player's position. Sorry Mecca, but I am not going to be confined to not being able to change my players to wherever I choose. If I choose to move a RB to DE, then I will do it. Unless everyone else thinks it is against the spirit of the game.

This is realistic, btw. For you to suggest that it is not real or not sim is ridiculous. Real teams do this all the time. Hell, Mark Mangino is a master at this. This is the only time I have done this so no, it is not a trend. And it was because during position changes, I saw that it game him a high rating at DE.

Sry buddy, but this is not Mecca's dynasty. While I agree with some of what you think is cheese, I don't agree with your take on this item.

Lzen
01-12-2009, 10:09 AM
Guys that say they are sim players are just guys that don't know how to play the game. If you have a running QB and move around to make plays thats what you are supposed to do, I do not ever drop back and throw deep down field.
If your blitzing like happend in that 1 video i ran backwards so i could throw the ball away. I can play the game with passing QB's i just play the game to the stayle of the teamim using at the time. There is no such thing as cheesing,because when someone scrambles, you have to switch to the pass rusher and when he passes the ball switch to the defender get the user pick!!
Noone told me it was a sim league if so let me know and i will bailout of your sim league.

I will need to look at those plays that Diddy posted when I get home as I can't look at game sites from work. FTR (and I have already stated this in previous posts), I don't think running to the sideline with a QB is cheese. But running backwards (and back and forth) takes advantage of a game glitch. The Dlinemen will run back and forth as the QB does and run right into the Olinemen and get stuck like glue. That may show that you know how to play NCAA football while taking advantage of deficiencies in the game. But it does not mean you really know how to play football. And frankly, if that is what you're doing (I don't know because I have not seen that part) then you should probably find another dynasty.

DT58HOF
01-12-2009, 10:13 AM
I will need to look at those plays that Diddy posted when I get home as I can't look at game sites from work. FTR (and I have already stated this in previous posts), I don't think running to the sideline with a QB is cheese. But running backwards (and back and forth) takes advantage of a game glitch. The Dlinemen will run back and forth as the QB does and run right into the Olinemen and get stuck like glue. That may show that you know how to play NCAA football while taking advantage of deficiencies in the game. But it does not mean you really know how to play football. And frankly, if that is what you're doing (I don't know because I have not seen that part) then you should probably find another dynasty.
No problem!!
check out the video's he posted one i ran backwards just so i could throw it in the seats,lol
1 was on a 2pt conversion while running play action he blitzed the corners, everyone was covered, i ran backwards trying to get the pass off while running for my life. watch all 3 videos and tell me where the cheese is?

KcGopher
01-12-2009, 10:22 AM
Oh so basically he's dumb....

ROFL

DT58HOF
01-12-2009, 10:29 AM
ROFL
49-3ROFLROFLROFLROFL I wouldn't laugh to hard, I have never been held under 17

KcGopher
01-12-2009, 10:35 AM
What was the time left and game situation? If it was early and the game was still close or he was ahead when he went for it on his own 30, that is definitely cheese and we don't want that.



No, it is not. I had a problem with too many RBs. I needed help at DE. On the position change, it showed that he had a pretty good rating at DE. So I made the change. It's not like I change him in and out at RB and DE during games. He changed over to DE before last season and has remained since. This was one rare time where a guy had a good rating at another position that you wouldn't think he would normally. He is a bit of a liability in the run game due to his smaller size, though.

And quite frankly, I am not gonna agree with not being able to change a player's position. Sorry Mecca, but I am not going to be confined to not being able to change my players to wherever I choose. If I choose to move a RB to DE, then I will do it. Unless everyone else thinks it is against the spirit of the game.

This is realistic, btw. For you to suggest that it is not real or not sim is ridiculous. Real teams do this all the time. Hell, Mark Mangino is a master at this. This is the only time I have done this so no, it is not a trend. And it was because during position changes, I saw that it game him a high rating at DE.

Sry buddy, but this is not Mecca's dynasty. While I agree with some of what you think is cheese, I don't agree with your take on this item.

i think that if you want a DE then you need to recruit one. or maybe an ATH with the makings of a DE. but it's pretty lame to move a RB to DE. i can see moving your o-line or d-line around. example - change an OG to a OT, or move a DT to DE. i'm even ok with moving a WR or OL to TE. maybe we should put a rule in place, if you recruit a player (non ATH) then they should play that position they were assisgned as a prospect?

KcGopher
01-12-2009, 10:36 AM
49-3ROFLROFLROFLROFL I wouldn't laugh to hard, I have never been held under 17

i never claimed to be the best. mr "no one runs the option better than me"

Lzen
01-12-2009, 10:46 AM
i think that if you want a DE then you need to recruit one. or maybe an ATH with the makings of a DE. but it's pretty lame to move a RB to DE. i can see moving your o-line or d-line around. example - change an OG to a OT, or move a DT to DE. i'm even ok with moving a WR or OL to TE. maybe we should put a rule in place, if you recruit a player (non ATH) then they should play that position they were assisgned as a prospect?

I am fine with this as long as everyone else agrees. It's not like I went looking for that. I just stumbled upon it. Basically, I had too many talented RBs to be able to use them all. I had a hard time getting decent, fast DEs to come to my team. When it gives you the option to change positions, I will look at a few players and cycle through all the other positions to see if they are any good at the other position. This guy was a rare player that was good at a position that you would not expect.

Let me ask you this. Would it be so unusual for a team to move a RB to LB? See KU and Angus Quigley for an example. There are others but that is the quickest I can think of off the top of my head. I could have done that and just used a 3-4 defense, which would basically be the same thing as what I'm doing now only it would not look so unusual. But this is the only time I have ever done this in any of my dynasties.

I just don't want this to get to a point where we are making so many rules that it is not fun. Trust me, I have been in those kinds of dynasties. Yeah, you want to weed out the cheesers, but at some point you cross a line into too much controlling and not allowing the users to just play.

J Diddy
01-12-2009, 10:47 AM
What was the time left and game situation? If it was early and the game was still close or he was ahead when he went for it on his own 30, that is definitely cheese and we don't want that.





2nd quarter, score pretty even.

Lzen
01-12-2009, 10:49 AM
You guys should vote on this. If we come to some kind of consensus, then I will abide by that. Still, it is too late for me to do anything now for that particular player as I can't change the player back to a RB now.

J Diddy
01-12-2009, 10:51 AM
No problem!!
check out the video's he posted one i ran backwards just so i could throw it in the seats,lol
1 was on a 2pt conversion while running play action he blitzed the corners, everyone was covered, i ran backwards trying to get the pass off while running for my life. watch all 3 videos and tell me where the cheese is?

yes check out the video, like the one where you scramble to the 30 on a 2 point conversion, the only reason you threw the ball out of bounds is because 2 of my guys were on you . 3rd and while i don't necessarily consider this cheese, the play where you run to the sidelines and heave ho deep--I do consider it cheese when it's the only play you run.

Please tell me how I don't know how to play the game? First I beat you, you take away those 2 fumble rec. and I beat you soundly. Secondly how does knowing how to audible back and forth have anything to do with playing this game?

KcGopher
01-12-2009, 10:51 AM
Let me ask you this. Would it be so unusual for a team to move a RB to LB? See KU and Angus Quigley for an example. There are others but that is the quickest I can think of off the top of my head. I could have done that and just used a 3-4 defense, which would basically be the same thing as what I'm doing now only it would not look so unusual. But this is the only time I have ever done this in any of my dynasties.


maybe move the LB to DE. not sure about moving RB to LB. anytime a player switches sides of the ball i would question that move.

DT58HOF
01-12-2009, 10:53 AM
2nd quarter, score pretty even.

it was 3rd quarter when i tied the game at 21!! I kick squibs out of onside, he calls timeout, I lineup to kick deep he has them up i kick deep crush his return man pick it up and go up 28-21
He plays str8 up til it's 3rd and long then he scrambles to the sidelines and throws back accross the field and the man was always alone (Derrick Williams) which i don't have a problem with,it's my job to stop him, there is ways to stop every play on this game if your in the right defense and you switch to the man to play the ball.

J Diddy
01-12-2009, 10:54 AM
You guys should vote on this. If we come to some kind of consensus, then I will abide by that. Still, it is too late for me to do anything now for that particular player as I can't change the player back to a RB now.


Personally I don't agree with it. For instance if you're guy could be ranked a 80 overall rb or a 72 overall de with great speed then he's got some de skills. It's not like he's ranked 40 and even if he is he's gonna suck. Bad. Sure he can run, but can't tackle

J Diddy
01-12-2009, 10:56 AM
it was 3rd quarter when i tied the game at 21!! I kick squibs out of onside, he calls timeout, I lineup to kick deep he has them up i kick deep crush his return man pick it up and go up 28-21
He plays str8 up til it's 3rd and long then he scrambles to the sidelines and throws back accross the field and the man was always alone (Derrick Williams) which i don't have a problem with,it's my job to stop him, there is ways to stop every play on this game if your in the right defense and you switch to the man to play the ball.

what the fuck ever

both td passes to derrick williams were him playing on the slot in a fly pattern, both were lined up as 1 on 1 coverage.

I never once threw across the field as my qb doesn't have the arm strength to do that.

I've played these people several times they know how I play.

Lzen
01-12-2009, 10:56 AM
maybe move the LB to DE. not sure about moving RB to LB. anytime a player switches sides of the ball i would question that move.

Why is switching sides of the ball unusual? Charles Gordon played WR and CB. Same with Aquib Talib. Anthony Collins is starting at LT for the Bengals. He was a DE in HS. KU made him a LT. I guess I just don't understand this logic. All the players started out as human beings. Why should they be pidgeon holed into a certain position. Some guys are capable of making a switch. Don't other teams do this? Or is Mangino a genius?

J Diddy
01-12-2009, 10:57 AM
it was 3rd quarter when i tied the game at 21!! I kick squibs out of onside, he calls timeout, I lineup to kick deep he has them up i kick deep crush his return man pick it up and go up 28-21
He plays str8 up til it's 3rd and long then he scrambles to the sidelines and throws back accross the field and the man was always alone (Derrick Williams) which i don't have a problem with,it's my job to stop him, there is ways to stop every play on this game if your in the right defense and you switch to the man to play the ball.



he was talking about going for it on 4th and 17 from your own 30

DT58HOF
01-12-2009, 10:57 AM
yes check out the video, like the one where you scramble to the 30 on a 2 point conversion, the only reason you threw the ball out of bounds is because 2 of my guys were on you . 3rd and while i don't necessarily consider this cheese, the play where you run to the sidelines and heave ho deep--I do consider it cheese when it's the only play you run.

Please tell me how I don't know how to play the game? First I beat you, you take away those 2 fumble rec. and I beat you soundly. Secondly how does knowing how to audible back and forth have anything to do with playing this game?

because i had to sit and worry what a crybaby would think is cheese, just like you said going to the sidelines and throwing deep is cheese, i mean are u serious? If it can be done in football it can be done on this game, SEE IT's IN THE GAME!!
gamersaloon is the way i make my spending cash, I'm seriously tired of all the whining, I mean you cry because someone puts another play in another position? WVU backup QB Nate Sowers #12 plays lineback in real life now, why all the crying?

Lzen
01-12-2009, 10:58 AM
Personally I don't agree with it. For instance if you're guy could be ranked a 80 overall rb or a 72 overall de with great speed then he's got some de skills. It's not like he's ranked 40 and even if he is he's gonna suck. Bad. Sure he can run, but can't tackle

Thank you. That is my point. 99% of the time, a guy will not have a very good DE overall rating. This guy obviously had some skills at that position. Perhaps he played DE in HS as well as RB. That is not so unusual. Hell, my nephew played DT and TE at Topeka High. He also played a little MLB and and RT.

J Diddy
01-12-2009, 11:00 AM
because i had to sit and worry what a crybaby would think is cheese, just like you said going to the sidelines and throwing deep is cheese, i mean are u serious? If it can be done in football it can be done on this game, SEE IT's IN THE GAME!!
gamersaloon is the way i make my spending cash, I'm seriously tired of all the whining, I mean you cry because someone puts another play in another position? WVU backup QB Nate Sowers #12 plays lineback in real life now, why all the crying?

I'm not crying at all. I won. I didn't have to drop 30 yards back on every passing play to do it either.

Nor did I have to do some bs audible stuff to remain competitive.

Lzen
01-12-2009, 11:00 AM
what the **** ever

both td passes to derrick williams were him playing on the slot in a fly pattern, both were lined up as 1 on 1 coverage.

I never once threw across the field as my qb doesn't have the arm strength to do that.

I've played these people several times they know how I play.

I have played Diddy many times and he is a good, straight up player.

Lzen
01-12-2009, 11:05 AM
I should also add that KU has made A.J. Steward, a guy who was brought in as a QB, a TE.

Also, Kerry Meier was a QB and played that position in 2006. Mangino wanted to get him on the field because he knew the guy was a great athlete. Fast forward to this year and just look at what the guy has done. Can you imagine if the real NCAA had rules that you could not change a guy's position?

And lastly, Marcus Herford was a QB early in his KU career. Mangino made him a WR/KR. He had a pretty darn good year at KR last year. Not so much this year.

DT58HOF
01-12-2009, 11:11 AM
I'm not crying at all. I won. I didn't have to drop 30 yards back on every passing play to do it either.

Nor did I have to do some bs audible stuff to remain competitive.

then why cry? you won the game!!
Football is football, running passing and doing whatever it take to score is part of the game, I do not run 30 yards backwards to make a play , you uploaded 3 video's and not one shows what you are saying except on the 2 pt conversion, when my guys were covered and u blitzed should i just stand there and let you tackle me?lol

J Diddy
01-12-2009, 11:17 AM
then why cry? you won the game!!
Football is football, running passing and doing whatever it take to score is part of the game, I do not run 30 yards backwards to make a play , you uploaded 3 video's and not one shows what you are saying except on the 2 pt conversion, when my guys were covered and u blitzed should i just stand there and let you tackle me?lol

every single pass play, directly after the snap you hit the speed button and went backwards

These are the plays I feel were most indicative of your play style.

DT58HOF
01-12-2009, 11:19 AM
you say without the 2 recoveries the game would not be close? 2 turnovers for each team. 1 Scramble play by me. you had 16 rushing attempts for 19 yards, the reason I lost is because i could not stop Derrick Williams, and that was my fault. You went for it 3 times on 4th down (Im not crying about that why are you?)

Final score: marty21502 36 vs. dajeff74 39

Statistics marty21502 dajeff74
Rushing attempts for 10 16
Rushing yards for 50 19
Passing attempts for 26 31
Passing yards for 233 395
Punts 1 1
Field goals for 0 1
Long field goals (40+) for 0 0
Times player went for two 3 1
Rushing touchdowns for 1 2
Passing touchdowns for 2 3
Returns touchdowns for 0 0
Defensive touchdowns for 2 0
Turnovers for 2 2
Interceptions for 2 0
Sacks for 1 4
Number of third downs 7 7
Third down conversions 2 2
Fourth down rushing plays 1 0
Fourth down passing plays 3 3
No-huddle plays 9 6
Audibles called 4 10
Hot routes used 18 16
Scrambles 1 1
Shotgun plays 27 19
Time of possession 9:13 10:52

J Diddy
01-12-2009, 11:26 AM
you say without the 2 recoveries the game would not be close? 2 turnovers for each team. 1 Scramble play by me. you had 16 rushing attempts for 19 yards, the reason I lost is because i could not stop Derrick Williams, and that was my fault. You went for it 3 times on 4th down (Im not crying about that why are you?)

Final score: marty21502 36 vs. dajeff74 39

Statistics marty21502 dajeff74
Rushing attempts for 10 16
Rushing yards for 50 19
Passing attempts for 26 31
Passing yards for 233 395
Punts 1 1
Field goals for 0 1
Long field goals (40+) for 0 0
Times player went for two 3 1
Rushing touchdowns for 1 2
Passing touchdowns for 2 3
Returns touchdowns for 0 0
Defensive touchdowns for 2 0
Turnovers for 2 2
Interceptions for 2 0
Sacks for 1 4
Number of third downs 7 7
Third down conversions 2 2
Fourth down rushing plays 1 0
Fourth down passing plays 3 3
No-huddle plays 9 6
Audibles called 4 10
Hot routes used 18 16
Scrambles 1 1
Shotgun plays 27 19
Time of possession 9:13 10:52

The reason you lost is cause i figured your bs out.

GoTrav
01-12-2009, 11:27 AM
DT58HOF seems like a pain in the arse.

And if you haven't simmed my game yet, Diddy and I can try hooking up after 9 tonight to knock out our game.

J Diddy
01-12-2009, 11:35 AM
DT58HOF seems like a pain in the arse.

And if you haven't simmed my game yet, Diddy and I can try hooking up after 9 tonight to knock out our game.
well here's the problem we're doing the offseason stuff in feedback dynasty tonight at 9, if you can wait til after that then yeah.

Lzen
01-12-2009, 11:39 AM
well here's the problem we're doing the offseason stuff in feedback dynasty tonight at 9, if you can wait til after that then yeah.

That would be alright. Or you guys can play tonight and we do the offseason stuff Tuesday night. Either way works for me.

DT58HOF
01-12-2009, 12:11 PM
DT58HOF seems like a pain in the arse.

And if you haven't simmed my game yet, Diddy and I can try hooking up after 9 tonight to knock out our game.

No im just trying to figure out how people think it's cheese every league I have played in for money, noone says a word about the way i play.
the stats said i scrambled 1 time. The video's he uploaded showed nothing but me running to throw the ball away.

Mecca
01-12-2009, 04:14 PM
This is what I'm going to say about it, the guy should be able to realistically play the position...he should be in line with other players at his position, the speed and acceleration ratings are very important on this game, if you want fast ends recruit fast ends....

When a guy is a 40 at the Dline moves he is not a defensive player, when a guy weighs 186lbs he isn't a defensive lineman. I look at this as common sense stuff, what if someone recruited all RB's and DB's and moved them around everywhere so everyone on their team ran over 90? You'd never be able to move the ball on them.

They should have to have minimum numbers at a position to be able to play it, 36 is the default rating for a position if they don't have a rating at it...on this game if you actually recruit ends even the fastest one you'll see is in the 86 speed range, but he moves like an end.

If you haven't noticed when you start flipping guys around, they still move like their original position so that guy moves like a RB and not a DE, there are lots of things I'm f'm fine with but leeway with this just leaves a door open for someone doing things that are a little ridiculous.

Like I said recruit a big slow WR to be a TE, fine with that, moving offensive lineman around fine with that, having a safety slower than you thought moving him to LB fine with that..making a RB a FB fine with that, changing around kickers and punters fine with that.

What if someone puts a 95 speed WR as a TE? is that fair? you could get big plays every single time...

This game isn't real life, everyone has a position they are suppose to play, if you want to flop a cb to safety go ahead it may make him worse but go ahead, but because of how deep the RB position is every year you could literally make an entire team out of RB's they'd have lower ratings but they'd never lose their speed and moves...

Not to mention end is an easy position to recruit on this game, it's not FB, TE or Center.

I'm simply pointing this out before it becomes a major issue, when there's 1 of those guys out there you can offense it and get around it..he literally flies up and accelerates around the OT nearly every time but only 1 you can get around it...if you end up with RB's lined up as both your DE's someone will lose their mind because they'll get sacked 15 times.

We're getting into this severe gray area of cheese, I get this flip out response if I want to run the wildcat but we've got RB's as DE's......and to what Diddy said if I play my RB at QB you know he's not gonna throw so hey why not right?

KcGopher
01-12-2009, 05:22 PM
DT58HOF seems like a pain in the arse.

And if you haven't simmed my game yet, Diddy and I can try hooking up after 9 tonight to knock out our game.

we have offseason stuff tonight at 9. you slacker

Lzen
01-12-2009, 06:56 PM
Ok, I thought we were talking about Adam Powers #31. He is the only player that I have that was a RB that I made a DE. I did that prior to last year's offseason. He is 6'0" and 239 pounds. He is also a 92 overall as a LE.

I didn't remember the weight thing but if you're talking about Ryan Ingram, he was never a RB so that should not even be an issue.

So, I guess your whole point is moot, Mecca.

EDIT: I pulled up the file from last year and Powers was 87 OVR when I made the switch. Tell me how many times you are going to be able to do that with a RB. It is pretty rare. Ingram was DE from the get go.

Mecca
01-12-2009, 06:56 PM
Here are a couple of responses...about moving guys completely out of position..

It would be cool if it were true to form but this game is anything but. EA has acted like they've never heard of a position change.
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And in real life 190lb players get demolished at the line of scrimmage by 300lb tackles.

Until NCAA physics begin to match real life, we're talking about a pretty obvious exploit of the system. You won't see CPU teams change their HB's to DE's or have HB's starting in the DE depth chart, so why should players have this right?

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IMO if any player has their OVR drop by a huge number of points in a position change, then the person is trying to cheat the game.

As for the comment that you can run the ball down his throat, that would work great in real life but this game is not real life. In this game, the OL/DL just generates suction blocks and absurd chop blocks. All the player would need to do is line up far enough off the edge to get in the backfield before the tackle gets to them or run circles around the tackle.

Seeing 190lb defensive ends is comical to me, but the one thing that is certain is that if it isn't in the league rules then someone will do it eventually.
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I agree with that to an extent I mean if the game played like real life where little fast guys got engulfed by the line it would be fine since they don't have defensive ratings or they missed the tackle every time but it doesn't work like this on the video game.

Mecca
01-12-2009, 06:57 PM
Ok, I thought we were talking about Adam Powers #31. He is the only player that I have that was a RB that I made a DE. I did that prior to last year's offseason. He is 6'0" and 239 pounds. He is also a 92 overall as a LE.

I didn't remember the weight thing but if you're talking about Ryan Ingram, he was never a RB so that should not even be an issue.

So, I guess your whole point is moot, Mecca.

Adam Powers has defensive line ratings in the 40's....

I'm just telling you if you keep putting 90 speed guys at end no one is going to want to play you...

I recruited a fast WR one year who was the same at CB as WR but his cover ratings are in the 30's.....that means he's not a CB his overall rating is being based off his physical attributes like speed and acceleration. Moving guys like that or a guy with 40s at line should get them dominated on this game it doesn't..that's where you start hitting an exploit.

You can get guys at end who run at superspeed for the position and move like skill players and not linemen...then guess what what happens...you are now impossible to play because you're superspeed skill position ends are killing guys that in real life they would get dominated by.

Lzen
01-12-2009, 07:12 PM
Adam Powers has defensive line ratings in the 40's....

I'm just telling you if you keep putting 90 speed guys at end no one is going to want to play you...

Waaaaaaaa!!! :deevee:

Now all I'm hearing is you don't like the way somebody does something that gives them an advantage and so you bitch. Just like you bitched about losing players. I looked over your roster and to tell you the truth, you have no right to whine.

Look, how much fun is it for everyone else if you win the championship every year? Sounds to me like if everything does not go your way, you bitch and moan.

I don't mean to sound like a dick, but this is not your dynasty. If you want to make a bunch of confining rules in your dynasty, fine. If you can convince people to play that way, more power to you. But this is not your dynasty.

Frankly, I think when you start making a bunch of rules about things, then it becomes a lot less fun. You know as well as I do that I don't cheese. This was a legit position change. I am not going argue any more about this.

BTW, Adam Powers has 80 STR, 89 AGI, 70 POW, and 70 TAK rating. Those are important ratings for that position, too. No way I would have moved him if he would have been a 40-50 overall at DE. I think you are under the impression that is what I did. No sir. This was a legit change. Besides, if the 2 ratings PMV - 44, FMV - 45) that you are talking about are so important for a Dlineman, than that should be a weakness for other teams to exploit.

DT58HOF
01-12-2009, 07:16 PM
Lzen, did u get to check out those 3 video's yet?
please just let me know if you would prefer I don't play in your league, No hard feelings!!

Mecca
01-12-2009, 07:17 PM
I don't think you understand the physics of this game...you could put a guy rated a 42 out there if he has super speed and acceleration he'll make plays....

Say what you want but I don't have anyone playing wildly out of position.

My friend is the one who immediately said something about it and his exact words were "what the hell is that shit"

I do think it's convenient how if you want to do something that is a very cheesing gray area it's fine but if it's something you don't do then it's not ok...I have plays in my playbook to use skill guys at QB yet everyone seems to think that's horrible.

What the WV guy was doing was one of the worst examples of cheesing I've ever seen and you were like "eh I don't know if that's that bad" probably because you move with your QB quite often...

If you don't like what I'm telling you fine, I'm just telling you what is pretty widely considered exploiting the game, if you feel it's ok to do that great, just don't get upset when someone else does it in another way.

What Gopher said about this game is true, speed is the most important rating for nearly every position...

Mecca
01-12-2009, 07:27 PM
And hey it's not my dynasty great...I hope everyone recruits RB's and makes them ends so everyone can have 90 speed ends then we'll all just sack each other or tackle the RB's in the backfield and punt back and forth it'll be loads of fun.

Lzen
01-12-2009, 07:27 PM
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Uh, yeah. Dropped back about 25 yards when really there was no pressure to speak of. That DE on the right side only put pressure on after he scrambled out to the right. Plus the back and forth scrambling is cheese because it takes advantage of a stupidity glitch in the AI as the DEs get sucked into the olinemen when they should just run around them.

Lzen
01-12-2009, 07:32 PM
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That one looks like he needs to learn to recognize that bitz and get rid of the ball quickly. Dropping back that far was a mistake to begin with. And I would probably call that cheese if a player drops back like that lot.

Lzen
01-12-2009, 07:33 PM
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I don't see the problem with this play. Looks like he recognized the blitz coming from the right side and rolled the other way.

Lzen
01-12-2009, 07:42 PM
Lzen, did u get to check out those 3 video's yet?
please just let me know if you would prefer I don't play in your league, No hard feelings!!

See my comments below. I would consider the first 2 plays cheese. No need to drop back 25 yards. And you have obviously learned how to move back and forth while dropping to force the defensive to run right into olinemen and get blocked. That is not very realistic. If you feel that you need to play this way then perhaps it is best if you drop out.

DT58HOF
01-12-2009, 07:46 PM
the first play was a 2pt conversion everyone was covered.
the second play yes i ran backwards i was being chased and had to rush out of the pocket and throw the ball away.
3rd play he blitzed from my backside i ran fast to the sideline and threw the ball downfield.

No Big Deal, i will drop out or you can just take me out, i will just stick to my other leagues where peple only worry about their own teams not what im doing or if i switch guys positions, Good Luck in your season, I Hope Mecca and his buddy can become co-commisioners of your league.
OBTW The Video's above are not even from a league game, it was a game just for fun!!

Lzen
01-12-2009, 07:48 PM
Oh, and I don't have any idea why Ingram was moved to DE. I probably wasn't paying as much attention as I should have and just looked at his OVR when I converted him. I assume he was an ATH but I really don't remember. But I am glad you mentioned him for on reason. I am not going to leave him at DE because his ratings aren't good enough for me. But I am leaving Powers there. That is, unless we get a consensus on whether or not it is fair. Right now, the replies I have seen make it even. And I'm sry but I am not going to take into account Perfect Cr1me's opinion on this right now since he is brand new to this dynasty.

DT58HOF
01-12-2009, 07:48 PM
See my comments below. I would consider the first 2 plays cheese. No need to drop back 25 yards. And you have obviously learned how to move back and forth while dropping to force the defensive to run right into olinemen and get blocked. That is not very realistic. If you feel that you need to play this way then perhaps it is best if you drop out.
No prob!!
that was with pat white, on the league game i had very slow white QB's and people still cry, like im supposed to stand in the pocket and let them sack me,lol
no wonder mecca wins all the time, he cries til he gets his way!!
Gamersaloon is a good place to lose your money when people cry about other players. Or just lose money!!

DT58HOF
01-12-2009, 07:49 PM
Oh, and I don't have any idea why Ingram was moved to DE. I probably wasn't paying as much attention as I should have and just looked at his OVR when I converted him. I assume he was an ATH but I really don't remember. But I am glad you mentioned him for on reason. I am not going to leave him at DE because his ratings aren't good enough for me. But I am leaving Powers there. That is, unless we get a consensus on whether or not it is fair. Right now, the replies I have seen make it even. And I'm sry but I am not going to take into account Perfect Cr1me's opinion on this right now since he is brand new to this dynasty. yeah where is perfect crimes video's of this game that was so cheese in a league game? oh yeah I forgot he's not on the planet!!

Mecca
01-12-2009, 07:51 PM
Oh, and I don't have any idea why Ingram was moved to DE. I probably wasn't paying as much attention as I should have and just looked at his OVR when I converted him. I assume he was an ATH but I really don't remember. But I am glad you mentioned him for on reason. I am not going to leave him at DE because his ratings aren't good enough for me. But I am leaving Powers there. That is, unless we get a consensus on whether or not it is fair. Right now, the replies I have seen make it even. And I'm sry but I am not going to take into account Perfect Cr1me's opinion on this right now since he is brand new to this dynasty.

Just tell me you aren't using it as a strategy and you actually plan to recruit real ends, I just don't want to play someone who has 95 speed ends due to position changes..

That's really all I'm talking about, if you did it once because your team was blah at the time that's one thing if you're using it as a strategy that's another, if you see what I mean.

Also what is the consensus on using a wildcat type play a few times a game, I don't mean doing it for a whole game I mean using it like it's really used maybe 5-7 times a game?

Mecca
01-12-2009, 07:52 PM
yeah where is perfect crimes video's of this game that was so cheese in a league game? oh yeah I forgot he's not on the planet!!

You're going to have a really hard time convincing anyone you don't cheese it up when you were running that far back....

DT58HOF
01-12-2009, 07:54 PM
You're going to have a really hard time convincing anyone you don't cheese it up when you were running that far back.... Learn to play the game without crying!!
Im on all the time anytime you want a game let me know.
I will even use a team other than WVU so im not tempted on running for 200 yards with Pat White!

Mecca
01-12-2009, 07:56 PM
....

You're response to being told you cheese shouldn't be......oh I'll play you!

So far you've lost to my friend who's had this game all of 3 weeks and Diddy last night...

Like Diddy said do you really want to be challenging me?

DT58HOF
01-12-2009, 07:57 PM
You're going to have a really hard time convincing anyone you don't cheese it up when you were running that far back....
so do you consider your self an athlete or just a gamer nerd?
because most athletes would not cry over anything on a game, there is no such thing as cheese, Your job is to stop me, mine is to stop you.
look on my friends list A.J. Hawk and Winslow Jr. are on they don't have a problem with how i play, ask them yourself.

DT58HOF
01-12-2009, 07:58 PM
....

You're response to being told you cheese shouldn't be......oh I'll play you!

So far you've lost to my friend who's had this game all of 3 weeks and Diddy last night...

Like Diddy said do you really want to be challenging me?

yeah i will just play the game, not worry what you think is cheese and will smack you around for 4 quarters or make you quit before half!!

KcGopher
01-12-2009, 07:58 PM
why can't we all get along?

:grouphug:

Mecca
01-12-2009, 08:00 PM
.....

Aspiring to be a madden nation dork shouldn't be your goal those guys play like fucktards.

And yes there is a thing called cheesing see the game has this thing called AI and a design, there are things you can do that frankly exploit the design of the game not the person you are facing, that is called cheesing.

Lzen
01-12-2009, 08:00 PM
Just tell me you aren't using it as a strategy and you actually plan to recruit real ends, I just don't want to play someone who has 95 speed ends due to position changes..

That's really all I'm talking about, if you did it once because your team was blah at the time that's one thing if you're using it as a strategy that's another, if you see what I mean.

Also what is the consensus on using a wildcat type play a few times a game, I don't mean doing it for a whole game I mean using it like it's really used maybe 5-7 times a game?

For fuck's sake, just let it go. Ingram is like 3rd or 4th string. If you have looked at my recruiting, you would know that I always try to recruit DEs. You're making stuff out of nothing. And the shit about moving the QB around is not cheesing. If you think that then you have never watched college football because I see teams do that all the time. And you know I'm not talking about the dropping back and moving in a zig zag pattern. Not every team has the luxury of great oline talent and WRs with super speed that get open every play. Try watching teams other than the power houses.

This is pitiful. You just practically accused me of being a cheeser. Gray area? ROFL You're a real piece of work, fella. Yes, some of that stuff I just don't see how you can call it that. You can't just take away a style because you don't like it. This is just the same argument you and Diddy got into awhile back. No need to repeat history here. I know I said this before but I am going to say it again. I am done with this topic.

DT58HOF
01-12-2009, 08:00 PM
does this league not have fatigue? I think it does, so why cry what i do with my QB?
Never heard so many pussies, I also only joined the league because i thought it was for Chiefs fans from the planet, and your buddy is not a Chiefs fan and is not on the planet but he cries to everyone without video's you post what he says on here and all the sudden it's all truth ,lol Tell your buddy Perfect Cr1me to BLOW ME!!

Mecca
01-12-2009, 08:00 PM
why can't we all get along?

:grouphug:

And you thought I was bad.......this guy has watched to many of those madden gamer shows where all of the guys act like douchenozzles and play even worse.

Mecca
01-12-2009, 08:02 PM
Why is my wildcat question always avoided?

DT58HOF
01-12-2009, 08:02 PM
Mecca is Champ!!
all hale the champ who makes the rules or take his ball cries and goes home, telling his mom the other boys wont play by my rules,lol

Mecca
01-12-2009, 08:03 PM
does this league not have fatigue? I think it does, so why cry what i do with my QB?
Never heard so many pussies, I also only joined the league because i thought it was for Chiefs fans from the planet, and your buddy is not a Chiefs fan and is not on the planet but he cries to everyone without video's you post what he says on here and all the sudden it's all truth ,lol Tell your buddy Perfect Cr1me to BLOW ME!!

Stop acting like you're 5 jesus christ....

KcGopher
01-12-2009, 08:06 PM
And you thought I was bad.......this guy has watched to many of those madden gamer shows where all of the guys act like douchenozzles and play even worse.

at least in Madden speed doesn't rule the way it does in NCAA.
i almost think all recruiting should be AI controlled. then no one could bitch about anything. :cuss:

Mecca
01-12-2009, 08:06 PM
Mecca is Champ!!
all hale the champ who makes the rules or take his ball cries and goes home, telling his mom the other boys wont play by my rules,lol

Go to operation sports and post those videos, you will get called a cheeser bitch...I'm not playing either.

I guess I forgot that some people really don't understand what cheesing is.

DT58HOF
01-12-2009, 08:08 PM
Originally Posted by Mecca http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?p=5384245#post5384245)
And you thought I was bad.......this guy has watched to many of those madden gamer shows where all of the guys act like douchenozzles and play even worse.

see thats the problem, you don't like the way other people play, if it's not your style it's wrong. If EA has a tournament you gonna tell them how the other players can play?

DT58HOF
01-12-2009, 08:09 PM
Go to operation sports and post those videos, you will get called a cheeser bitch...I'm not playing either.

I guess I forgot that some people really don't understand what cheesing is. I'm guessing if you didn't play College football you will never know what real players think about when they are playing, It's not a Nerd game to all of us, where we all have to get along.

Mecca
01-12-2009, 08:10 PM
I thought this was a sim dynasty?

Having a debate about moving guys positions around is one thing, debating whether dropping 30 yards back and rolling that far to the side every time is cheese isn't debatable.

I've said this before if you end up by the sideline occasionally because no one is open and you started moving, acceptable doing it every play as a strategy is not.

KcGopher
01-12-2009, 08:12 PM
http://www.britishcheese.com/cmfiles/169/Choose%20Cheese%20yellow%20&%20red%20logo%20from%20Paul%20at%20Liquid%20design.jpg

DT58HOF
01-12-2009, 08:15 PM
why is running to the sideline and passing cheesing?
just because your defense is slow and you dont want to control the pass rusher?
WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!
http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j134/shyguyms/whambulance.png

Mecca
01-12-2009, 08:15 PM
Ok that made me laugh...

Why is this guy in the dynasty anyway? He's a typical online player I thought that was the point of being in a dynasty to avoid that.

I also wonder if he's mentally deficient or about 10, one or the other.

DT58HOF
01-12-2009, 08:16 PM
Ok that made me laugh...

Why is this guy in the dynasty anyway? He's a typical online player I thought that was the point of being in a dynasty to avoid that.

I also wonder if he's mentally deficient or about 10, one or the other. Im not in your dynasty you fucking crybaby homo!!

http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j134/shyguyms/whambulance.png

DT58HOF
01-12-2009, 08:17 PM
Ok that made me laugh...

Why is this guy in the dynasty anyway? He's a typical online player I thought that was the point of being in a dynasty to avoid that.

I also wonder if he's mentally deficient or about 10, one or the other. why is perfect Cr1me in it? thought it was for chiefs fans from chiefs planet?

KcGopher
01-12-2009, 08:20 PM
why is perfect Cr1me in it? thought it was for chiefs fans from chiefs planet?

:shake:
my understanding was that the league is open to anyone. not just CP members.