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Count Alex's Wins
08-19-2008, 12:25 AM
Good stuff from Mike. Can't wait to see Gailey open it up.

http://kan.scout.com/2/780802.html

<table><tbody><tr><td valign="top">Just two games into the preseason, it looks like teams are already adjusting to the Chiefs new offense.
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Several times during Saturdayís 27-17 loss to Arizona, the Cardinals appeared to wait until the last possible moment to put an eighth man in the box. Once the ball was snapped on certain plays, a safety would suddenly fly into the picture to help defend the run. And after the handoff to Larry Johnson, Brodie Croyle (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=3698850) would turn around and see an extra man at the line who hadnít been there when heíd scanned the defense before the play.

That sort of camouflage wasnít necessary a year ago. As youíve surely read in a variety of articles in recent weeks, KCís quarterbacks didnít have the ability to change the play in the previous system, meaning the offense often ran the ball straight into eight-man fronts.

There was no need for opponents to hide what they were doing when the Chiefs couldnít adjust to what the defense was showing them.

But now that an audible system is in place, things are different. If a defense comes out with eight men near the line of scrimmage, Croyle can easily call a pass play to take advantage of it. Knowing that, teams will want to conceal their plans, just as the Cardinals did Saturday.

Since the preseason started, Iíve watched KCís offense with great interest Ė as everyone has Ė in the hopes of seeing the new Chan Gailey scheme unfold. The Chiefs arenít going to show everything during meaningless games, of course, but we can still get a sense of whatís to come.

And after a running play during the Chiefs' second offensive series Saturday, when Cardinals safety Adrian Wilson (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=3628937) ran down into the box and stopped Johnson, I had a thought about Gaileyís offense - the play-action passing game should work wonders this season.

The Chief have run some play-action during the preseason, but mostly just bootlegs, which have turned into quick dumpoffs to the fullback or tight end, as the quarterback is usually throwing on the run. Unless the entire defensive line is fooled by the fake to the running back Ė like KCís line typically was against Jake Plummer and the Broncos, for instance Ė the quarterback rarely gets a chance to set his feet and fire the ball downfield.

But Iím talking about the more traditional play-action Ė plays where Croyle will stick the ball into Johnsonís gut, pull it back, and quickly scan the field for an open receiver while the defense bites on the run fake. This may sound rather basic, but in some ways, especially with the new audible wrinkle, itís almost like something new for Kansas Cityís offense.

The Chiefs have always been able to use the play-action pass, of course, but the success was mostly based on how well they fooled the other team into thinking a run was coming. Now they can gain an extra advantage by catching defenses out of position.

If Gailey had called for a play-action pass on the snap when Arizona sent Wilson into the box, the Cardinals would have been caught with their pants down. Because Wilson didnít want to commit while Croyle still had an opportunity to change the play, he was running towards the line of scrimmage as the ball was snapped, so that heíd be in position to stop the run.

Had Croyle faked the handoff and looked to throw downfield, Wilson would have been forced to slam on the breaks, spin around, and scramble desperately to get back into coverage. With all due respect to Wilson, one of the most underrated players in the entire league, he probably wouldnít have retreated into coverage quickly enough.

But for plays like that to have success, the Chiefs will need receivers who can take advantage. Weíre already familiar with the talents of Dwayne Bowe (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=3698848), but another piece of the puzzle fell into place later on in the game with Devard Darling (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=3263025). On a third down play in the second quarter, Darling ran right up the sideline, badly beat cornerback Eric Green (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=3628939), and got himself into position to make a big catch.

From the limited angles shown on the telecast, it appeared Green may have had safety help on the play. But that didnít seem to matter to Darling, as he was wide open regardless. Unfortunately the pass was overthrown and nothing came of it.

Still, the potential was there. Now imagine that same pass route being run on a play where the safety, instead of hanging back in coverage, is charging towards the line of scrimmage at the snap. If Chiefs receivers can beat their coverage like Darling did Saturday, weíre not just talking about a successful gain, weíre talking about a touchdown.

In many respects itís a matter of luck. After all, the play has to be called at the right time. But the more teams start disguising their efforts to stop the run, the more chances the Chiefs should have to catch them in that sort of mismatch.

These may just be isolated examples from preseason games, but opportunities should be bountiful during the regular season. As long as defenses have to focus on stopping Kansas Cityís ground attack, the play-action attack will always be waiting in the wings.

And with a healthy Johnson returning to form, receivers who can work their magic downfield, and a cannon-armed quarterback like Croyle, that aspect of the offense should thrive.
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BigRock
08-19-2008, 12:38 AM
This seems possible. I remember play action being mentioned as a big part of the Gailey offense when he was hired, but have they run a standard play action pass at all during the preseason? I can't remember anything. Maybe it's something they don't want to show off.

Did they run it at camp?

Count Alex's Wins
08-19-2008, 12:40 AM
This seems possible. I remember play action being mentioned as a big part of the Gailey offense when he was hired, but have they run a standard play action pass at all during the preseason? I can't remember anything. Maybe it's something they don't want to show off.

Did they run it at camp?

Yes. Haven't seen it once in two preseason games if I'm remembering correctly.

Mecca
08-19-2008, 01:20 AM
In preseason sure. I suspect in real games teams will show 8 at the start until Croyle shows he can beat them for the most part and of course they'll throw all sorts of ridiculous looks at him being a young QB.

NE will try to confuse the total hell out of him in that first week.

Reerun_KC
08-19-2008, 08:35 AM
NE will confuse the total hell out of Herm in that first week.


I hope they take alot of pictures... Herm will have that clueless look about him all day.. Should be priceless to watch this game...

the Talking Can
08-19-2008, 09:02 AM
you can figure our offense out, but the rest of the Coaches in the NFL won't be able to......


brilliant

RINGLEADER
08-19-2008, 10:11 AM
Good stuff from Mike. Can't wait to see Gailey open it up.

http://kan.scout.com/2/780802.html

<table><tbody><tr><td valign="top">Just two games into the preseason, it looks like teams are already adjusting to the Chiefs new offense.
</td></tr> <tr> <td colspan="3">
Several times during Saturdayís 27-17 loss to Arizona, the Cardinals appeared to wait until the last possible moment to put an eighth man in the box. Once the ball was snapped on certain plays, a safety would suddenly fly into the picture to help defend the run. And after the handoff to Larry Johnson, Brodie Croyle (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=3698850) would turn around and see an extra man at the line who hadnít been there when heíd scanned the defense before the play.

That sort of camouflage wasnít necessary a year ago. As youíve surely read in a variety of articles in recent weeks, KCís quarterbacks didnít have the ability to change the play in the previous system, meaning the offense often ran the ball straight into eight-man fronts.

There was no need for opponents to hide what they were doing when the Chiefs couldnít adjust to what the defense was showing them.

But now that an audible system is in place, things are different. If a defense comes out with eight men near the line of scrimmage, Croyle can easily call a pass play to take advantage of it. Knowing that, teams will want to conceal their plans, just as the Cardinals did Saturday.

Since the preseason started, Iíve watched KCís offense with great interest Ė as everyone has Ė in the hopes of seeing the new Chan Gailey scheme unfold. The Chiefs arenít going to show everything during meaningless games, of course, but we can still get a sense of whatís to come.

And after a running play during the Chiefs' second offensive series Saturday, when Cardinals safety Adrian Wilson (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=3628937) ran down into the box and stopped Johnson, I had a thought about Gaileyís offense - the play-action passing game should work wonders this season.

The Chief have run some play-action during the preseason, but mostly just bootlegs, which have turned into quick dumpoffs to the fullback or tight end, as the quarterback is usually throwing on the run. Unless the entire defensive line is fooled by the fake to the running back Ė like KCís line typically was against Jake Plummer and the Broncos, for instance Ė the quarterback rarely gets a chance to set his feet and fire the ball downfield.

But Iím talking about the more traditional play-action Ė plays where Croyle will stick the ball into Johnsonís gut, pull it back, and quickly scan the field for an open receiver while the defense bites on the run fake. This may sound rather basic, but in some ways, especially with the new audible wrinkle, itís almost like something new for Kansas Cityís offense.

The Chiefs have always been able to use the play-action pass, of course, but the success was mostly based on how well they fooled the other team into thinking a run was coming. Now they can gain an extra advantage by catching defenses out of position.

If Gailey had called for a play-action pass on the snap when Arizona sent Wilson into the box, the Cardinals would have been caught with their pants down. Because Wilson didnít want to commit while Croyle still had an opportunity to change the play, he was running towards the line of scrimmage as the ball was snapped, so that heíd be in position to stop the run.

Had Croyle faked the handoff and looked to throw downfield, Wilson would have been forced to slam on the breaks, spin around, and scramble desperately to get back into coverage. With all due respect to Wilson, one of the most underrated players in the entire league, he probably wouldnít have retreated into coverage quickly enough.

But for plays like that to have success, the Chiefs will need receivers who can take advantage. Weíre already familiar with the talents of Dwayne Bowe (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=3698848), but another piece of the puzzle fell into place later on in the game with Devard Darling (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=3263025). On a third down play in the second quarter, Darling ran right up the sideline, badly beat cornerback Eric Green (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=3628939), and got himself into position to make a big catch.

From the limited angles shown on the telecast, it appeared Green may have had safety help on the play. But that didnít seem to matter to Darling, as he was wide open regardless. Unfortunately the pass was overthrown and nothing came of it.

Still, the potential was there. Now imagine that same pass route being run on a play where the safety, instead of hanging back in coverage, is charging towards the line of scrimmage at the snap. If Chiefs receivers can beat their coverage like Darling did Saturday, weíre not just talking about a successful gain, weíre talking about a touchdown.

In many respects itís a matter of luck. After all, the play has to be called at the right time. But the more teams start disguising their efforts to stop the run, the more chances the Chiefs should have to catch them in that sort of mismatch.

These may just be isolated examples from preseason games, but opportunities should be bountiful during the regular season. As long as defenses have to focus on stopping Kansas Cityís ground attack, the play-action attack will always be waiting in the wings.

And with a healthy Johnson returning to form, receivers who can work their magic downfield, and a cannon-armed quarterback like Croyle, that aspect of the offense should thrive.
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The first half of this season is going to be great to watch. I think the Chiefs still have another year and another good draft (plugging some selected holes in free agency) before we know if they can contend for anything but it will be fun to see them play even if they do lose a majority of the games. I'm really hoping Brodie is the guy and can step up and show he can play.

el borracho
08-19-2008, 11:32 AM
Seriously, why do people quote entire articles in their posts? It doesn't make sense- if we are in this thread then we have likely already read the article in the original post. Do you want us to re-read the entire article before reading your post? Do you think that adds some special meaning or emphasis to your post? Or do you think that we will have completely forgotten the article by the time we arrive at your post (6th response in the thread)? I know it isn't just you, RINGLEADER, but please explain this to me.

Demonpenz
08-19-2008, 11:41 AM
Good stuff from Mike. Can't wait to see Gailey open it up.

http://kan.scout.com/2/780802.html

<table><tbody><tr><td valign="top">Just two games into the preseason, it looks like teams are already adjusting to the Chiefs new offense.
</td></tr> <tr> <td colspan="3">
Several times during Saturdayís 27-17 loss to Arizona, the Cardinals appeared to wait until the last possible moment to put an eighth man in the box. Once the ball was snapped on certain plays, a safety would suddenly fly into the picture to help defend the run. And after the handoff to Larry Johnson, Brodie Croyle (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=3698850) would turn around and see an extra man at the line who hadnít been there when heíd scanned the defense before the play.

That sort of camouflage wasnít necessary a year ago. As youíve surely read in a variety of articles in recent weeks, KCís quarterbacks didnít have the ability to change the play in the previous system, meaning the offense often ran the ball straight into eight-man fronts.

There was no need for opponents to hide what they were doing when the Chiefs couldnít adjust to what the defense was showing them.

But now that an audible system is in place, things are different. If a defense comes out with eight men near the line of scrimmage, Croyle can easily call a pass play to take advantage of it. Knowing that, teams will want to conceal their plans, just as the Cardinals did Saturday.

Since the preseason started, Iíve watched KCís offense with great interest Ė as everyone has Ė in the hopes of seeing the new Chan Gailey scheme unfold. The Chiefs arenít going to show everything during meaningless games, of course, but we can still get a sense of whatís to come.

And after a running play during the Chiefs' second offensive series Saturday, when Cardinals safety Adrian Wilson (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=3628937) ran down into the box and stopped Johnson, I had a thought about Gaileyís offense - the play-action passing game should work wonders this season.

The Chief have run some play-action during the preseason, but mostly just bootlegs, which have turned into quick dumpoffs to the fullback or tight end, as the quarterback is usually throwing on the run. Unless the entire defensive line is fooled by the fake to the running back Ė like KCís line typically was against Jake Plummer and the Broncos, for instance Ė the quarterback rarely gets a chance to set his feet and fire the ball downfield.

But Iím talking about the more traditional play-action Ė plays where Croyle will stick the ball into Johnsonís gut, pull it back, and quickly scan the field for an open receiver while the defense bites on the run fake. This may sound rather basic, but in some ways, especially with the new audible wrinkle, itís almost like something new for Kansas Cityís offense.

The Chiefs have always been able to use the play-action pass, of course, but the success was mostly based on how well they fooled the other team into thinking a run was coming. Now they can gain an extra advantage by catching defenses out of position.

If Gailey had called for a play-action pass on the snap when Arizona sent Wilson into the box, the Cardinals would have been caught with their pants down. Because Wilson didnít want to commit while Croyle still had an opportunity to change the play, he was running towards the line of scrimmage as the ball was snapped, so that heíd be in position to stop the run.

Had Croyle faked the handoff and looked to throw downfield, Wilson would have been forced to slam on the breaks, spin around, and scramble desperately to get back into coverage. With all due respect to Wilson, one of the most underrated players in the entire league, he probably wouldnít have retreated into coverage quickly enough.

But for plays like that to have success, the Chiefs will need receivers who can take advantage. Weíre already familiar with the talents of Dwayne Bowe (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=3698848), but another piece of the puzzle fell into place later on in the game with Devard Darling (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=3263025). On a third down play in the second quarter, Darling ran right up the sideline, badly beat cornerback Eric Green (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=3628939), and got himself into position to make a big catch.

From the limited angles shown on the telecast, it appeared Green may have had safety help on the play. But that didnít seem to matter to Darling, as he was wide open regardless. Unfortunately the pass was overthrown and nothing came of it.

Still, the potential was there. Now imagine that same pass route being run on a play where the safety, instead of hanging back in coverage, is charging towards the line of scrimmage at the snap. If Chiefs receivers can beat their coverage like Darling did Saturday, weíre not just talking about a successful gain, weíre talking about a touchdown.

In many respects itís a matter of luck. After all, the play has to be called at the right time. But the more teams start disguising their efforts to stop the run, the more chances the Chiefs should have to catch them in that sort of mismatch.

These may just be isolated examples from preseason games, but opportunities should be bountiful during the regular season. As long as defenses have to focus on stopping Kansas Cityís ground attack, the play-action attack will always be waiting in the wings.

And with a healthy Johnson returning to form, receivers who can work their magic downfield, and a cannon-armed quarterback like Croyle, that aspect of the offense should thrive.
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good

the Talking Can
08-19-2008, 11:43 AM
Good stuff from Mike. Can't wait to see Gailey open it up.

http://kan.scout.com/2/780802.html

<table><tbody><tr><td valign="top">Just two games into the preseason, it looks like teams are already adjusting to the Chiefs new offense.
</td></tr> <tr> <td colspan="3">
Several times during Saturdayís 27-17 loss to Arizona, the Cardinals appeared to wait until the last possible moment to put an eighth man in the box. Once the ball was snapped on certain plays, a safety would suddenly fly into the picture to help defend the run. And after the handoff to Larry Johnson, Brodie Croyle (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=3698850) would turn around and see an extra man at the line who hadnít been there when heíd scanned the defense before the play.

That sort of camouflage wasnít necessary a year ago. As youíve surely read in a variety of articles in recent weeks, KCís quarterbacks didnít have the ability to change the play in the previous system, meaning the offense often ran the ball straight into eight-man fronts.

There was no need for opponents to hide what they were doing when the Chiefs couldnít adjust to what the defense was showing them.

But now that an audible system is in place, things are different. If a defense comes out with eight men near the line of scrimmage, Croyle can easily call a pass play to take advantage of it. Knowing that, teams will want to conceal their plans, just as the Cardinals did Saturday.

Since the preseason started, Iíve watched KCís offense with great interest Ė as everyone has Ė in the hopes of seeing the new Chan Gailey scheme unfold. The Chiefs arenít going to show everything during meaningless games, of course, but we can still get a sense of whatís to come.

And after a running play during the Chiefs' second offensive series Saturday, when Cardinals safety Adrian Wilson (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=3628937) ran down into the box and stopped Johnson, I had a thought about Gaileyís offense - the play-action passing game should work wonders this season.

The Chief have run some play-action during the preseason, but mostly just bootlegs, which have turned into quick dumpoffs to the fullback or tight end, as the quarterback is usually throwing on the run. Unless the entire defensive line is fooled by the fake to the running back Ė like KCís line typically was against Jake Plummer and the Broncos, for instance Ė the quarterback rarely gets a chance to set his feet and fire the ball downfield.

But Iím talking about the more traditional play-action Ė plays where Croyle will stick the ball into Johnsonís gut, pull it back, and quickly scan the field for an open receiver while the defense bites on the run fake. This may sound rather basic, but in some ways, especially with the new audible wrinkle, itís almost like something new for Kansas Cityís offense.

The Chiefs have always been able to use the play-action pass, of course, but the success was mostly based on how well they fooled the other team into thinking a run was coming. Now they can gain an extra advantage by catching defenses out of position.

If Gailey had called for a play-action pass on the snap when Arizona sent Wilson into the box, the Cardinals would have been caught with their pants down. Because Wilson didnít want to commit while Croyle still had an opportunity to change the play, he was running towards the line of scrimmage as the ball was snapped, so that heíd be in position to stop the run.

Had Croyle faked the handoff and looked to throw downfield, Wilson would have been forced to slam on the breaks, spin around, and scramble desperately to get back into coverage. With all due respect to Wilson, one of the most underrated players in the entire league, he probably wouldnít have retreated into coverage quickly enough.

But for plays like that to have success, the Chiefs will need receivers who can take advantage. Weíre already familiar with the talents of Dwayne Bowe (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=3698848), but another piece of the puzzle fell into place later on in the game with Devard Darling (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=3263025). On a third down play in the second quarter, Darling ran right up the sideline, badly beat cornerback Eric Green (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=3628939), and got himself into position to make a big catch.

From the limited angles shown on the telecast, it appeared Green may have had safety help on the play. But that didnít seem to matter to Darling, as he was wide open regardless. Unfortunately the pass was overthrown and nothing came of it.

Still, the potential was there. Now imagine that same pass route being run on a play where the safety, instead of hanging back in coverage, is charging towards the line of scrimmage at the snap. If Chiefs receivers can beat their coverage like Darling did Saturday, weíre not just talking about a successful gain, weíre talking about a touchdown.

In many respects itís a matter of luck. After all, the play has to be called at the right time. But the more teams start disguising their efforts to stop the run, the more chances the Chiefs should have to catch them in that sort of mismatch.

These may just be isolated examples from preseason games, but opportunities should be bountiful during the regular season. As long as defenses have to focus on stopping Kansas Cityís ground attack, the play-action attack will always be waiting in the wings.

And with a healthy Johnson returning to form, receivers who can work their magic downfield, and a cannon-armed quarterback like Croyle, that aspect of the offense should thrive.
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ball licker

StcChief
08-19-2008, 11:58 AM
Seriously, why do people quote entire articles in their posts? It doesn't make sense- if we are in this thread then we have likely already read the article in the original post. Do you want us to re-read the entire article before reading your post? Do you think that adds some special meaning or emphasis to your post? Or do you think that we will have completely forgotten the article by the time we arrive at your post (6th response in the thread)? I know it isn't just you, RINGLEADER, but please explain this to me. The term lazy or not sure how this whole quote copy thing works. :shrug:

the Talking Can
08-19-2008, 12:06 PM
.Seriously, why do people quote entire articles in their posts? It doesn't make sense- if we are in this thread then we have likely already read the article in the original post. Do you want us to re-read the entire article before reading your post? Do you think that adds some special meaning or emphasis to your post? Or do you think that we will have completely forgotten the article by the time we arrive at your post (6th response in the thread)? I know it isn't just you, RINGLEADER, but please explain this to me.

good

Good stuff from Mike. Can't wait to see Gailey open it up.

http://kan.scout.com/2/780802.html

<table><tbody><tr><td valign="top">Just two games into the preseason, it looks like teams are already adjusting to the Chiefs new offense.
</td></tr> <tr> <td colspan="3">
Several times during Saturdayís 27-17 loss to Arizona, the Cardinals appeared to wait until the last possible moment to put an eighth man in the box. Once the ball was snapped on certain plays, a safety would suddenly fly into the picture to help defend the run. And after the handoff to Larry Johnson, Brodie Croyle (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=3698850) would turn around and see an extra man at the line who hadnít been there when heíd scanned the defense before the play.

That sort of camouflage wasnít necessary a year ago. As youíve surely read in a variety of articles in recent weeks, KCís quarterbacks didnít have the ability to change the play in the previous system, meaning the offense often ran the ball straight into eight-man fronts.

There was no need for opponents to hide what they were doing when the Chiefs couldnít adjust to what the defense was showing them.

But now that an audible system is in place, things are different. If a defense comes out with eight men near the line of scrimmage, Croyle can easily call a pass play to take advantage of it. Knowing that, teams will want to conceal their plans, just as the Cardinals did Saturday.

Since the preseason started, Iíve watched KCís offense with great interest Ė as everyone has Ė in the hopes of seeing the new Chan Gailey scheme unfold. The Chiefs arenít going to show everything during meaningless games, of course, but we can still get a sense of whatís to come.

And after a running play during the Chiefs' second offensive series Saturday, when Cardinals safety Adrian Wilson (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=3628937) ran down into the box and stopped Johnson, I had a thought about Gaileyís offense - the play-action passing game should work wonders this season.

The Chief have run some play-action during the preseason, but mostly just bootlegs, which have turned into quick dumpoffs to the fullback or tight end, as the quarterback is usually throwing on the run. Unless the entire defensive line is fooled by the fake to the running back Ė like KCís line typically was against Jake Plummer and the Broncos, for instance Ė the quarterback rarely gets a chance to set his feet and fire the ball downfield.

But Iím talking about the more traditional play-action Ė plays where Croyle will stick the ball into Johnsonís gut, pull it back, and quickly scan the field for an open receiver while the defense bites on the run fake. This may sound rather basic, but in some ways, especially with the new audible wrinkle, itís almost like something new for Kansas Cityís offense.

The Chiefs have always been able to use the play-action pass, of course, but the success was mostly based on how well they fooled the other team into thinking a run was coming. Now they can gain an extra advantage by catching defenses out of position.

If Gailey had called for a play-action pass on the snap when Arizona sent Wilson into the box, the Cardinals would have been caught with their pants down. Because Wilson didnít want to commit while Croyle still had an opportunity to change the play, he was running towards the line of scrimmage as the ball was snapped, so that heíd be in position to stop the run.

Had Croyle faked the handoff and looked to throw downfield, Wilson would have been forced to slam on the breaks, spin around, and scramble desperately to get back into coverage. With all due respect to Wilson, one of the most underrated players in the entire league, he probably wouldnít have retreated into coverage quickly enough.

But for plays like that to have success, the Chiefs will need receivers who can take advantage. Weíre already familiar with the talents of Dwayne Bowe (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=3698848), but another piece of the puzzle fell into place later on in the game with Devard Darling (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=3263025). On a third down play in the second quarter, Darling ran right up the sideline, badly beat cornerback Eric Green (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=3628939), and got himself into position to make a big catch.

From the limited angles shown on the telecast, it appeared Green may have had safety help on the play. But that didnít seem to matter to Darling, as he was wide open regardless. Unfortunately the pass was overthrown and nothing came of it.

Still, the potential was there. Now imagine that same pass route being run on a play where the safety, instead of hanging back in coverage, is charging towards the line of scrimmage at the snap. If Chiefs receivers can beat their coverage like Darling did Saturday, weíre not just talking about a successful gain, weíre talking about a touchdown.

In many respects itís a matter of luck. After all, the play has to be called at the right time. But the more teams start disguising their efforts to stop the run, the more chances the Chiefs should have to catch them in that sort of mismatch.

These may just be isolated examples from preseason games, but opportunities should be bountiful during the regular season. As long as defenses have to focus on stopping Kansas Cityís ground attack, the play-action attack will always be waiting in the wings.

And with a healthy Johnson returning to form, receivers who can work their magic downfield, and a cannon-armed quarterback like Croyle, that aspect of the offense should thrive.
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I hope they take alot of pictures... Herm will have that clueless look about him all day.. Should be priceless to watch this game...

King_Chief_Fan
08-19-2008, 12:09 PM
If Brodie is allowed to audible to the play action then why didn't he.......?
oops nevermind, he didn't see it coming.

You need a QB with some experience before you play action. Maybe he gets enough to try it later........then, maybe not.

Count Alex's Wins
08-19-2008, 12:10 PM
If Brodie is allowed to audible to the play action then why didn't he.......?
oops nevermind, he didn't see it coming.

You need a QB with some experience before you play action. Maybe he gets enough to try it later........then, maybe not.

Preseason.

Bearcat
08-19-2008, 12:34 PM
These Offense 101 articles are sort of funny...

Week 1: Ch-ch-ch-changes... Audibles and You
Week 2: R,R/P,P,P...The play-action pass

Next week: Modern Football... Passing on 1st down (c) 1974

Seriously, why do people quote entire articles in their posts?
It's annoying for cell phones... we need a Posting 101.

Mr. Laz
08-19-2008, 12:40 PM
i'm still waiting for them to open the offense up from last year's training camp.

Pablo
08-19-2008, 12:47 PM
Good stuff from Mike. Can't wait to see Gailey open it up.

http://kan.scout.com/2/780802.html

<table><tbody><tr><td valign="top">Just two games into the preseason, it looks like teams are already adjusting to the Chiefs new offense.
</td></tr> <tr> <td colspan="3">
Several times during Saturdayís 27-17 loss to Arizona, the Cardinals appeared to wait until the last possible moment to put an eighth man in the box. Once the ball was snapped on certain plays, a safety would suddenly fly into the picture to help defend the run. And after the handoff to Larry Johnson, Brodie Croyle (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=3698850) would turn around and see an extra man at the line who hadnít been there when heíd scanned the defense before the play.

That sort of camouflage wasnít necessary a year ago. As youíve surely read in a variety of articles in recent weeks, KCís quarterbacks didnít have the ability to change the play in the previous system, meaning the offense often ran the ball straight into eight-man fronts.

There was no need for opponents to hide what they were doing when the Chiefs couldnít adjust to what the defense was showing them.

But now that an audible system is in place, things are different. If a defense comes out with eight men near the line of scrimmage, Croyle can easily call a pass play to take advantage of it. Knowing that, teams will want to conceal their plans, just as the Cardinals did Saturday.

Since the preseason started, Iíve watched KCís offense with great interest Ė as everyone has Ė in the hopes of seeing the new Chan Gailey scheme unfold. The Chiefs arenít going to show everything during meaningless games, of course, but we can still get a sense of whatís to come.

And after a running play during the Chiefs' second offensive series Saturday, when Cardinals safety Adrian Wilson (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=3628937) ran down into the box and stopped Johnson, I had a thought about Gaileyís offense - the play-action passing game should work wonders this season.

The Chief have run some play-action during the preseason, but mostly just bootlegs, which have turned into quick dumpoffs to the fullback or tight end, as the quarterback is usually throwing on the run. Unless the entire defensive line is fooled by the fake to the running back Ė like KCís line typically was against Jake Plummer and the Broncos, for instance Ė the quarterback rarely gets a chance to set his feet and fire the ball downfield.

But Iím talking about the more traditional play-action Ė plays where Croyle will stick the ball into Johnsonís gut, pull it back, and quickly scan the field for an open receiver while the defense bites on the run fake. This may sound rather basic, but in some ways, especially with the new audible wrinkle, itís almost like something new for Kansas Cityís offense.

The Chiefs have always been able to use the play-action pass, of course, but the success was mostly based on how well they fooled the other team into thinking a run was coming. Now they can gain an extra advantage by catching defenses out of position.

If Gailey had called for a play-action pass on the snap when Arizona sent Wilson into the box, the Cardinals would have been caught with their pants down. Because Wilson didnít want to commit while Croyle still had an opportunity to change the play, he was running towards the line of scrimmage as the ball was snapped, so that heíd be in position to stop the run.

Had Croyle faked the handoff and looked to throw downfield, Wilson would have been forced to slam on the breaks, spin around, and scramble desperately to get back into coverage. With all due respect to Wilson, one of the most underrated players in the entire league, he probably wouldnít have retreated into coverage quickly enough.

But for plays like that to have success, the Chiefs will need receivers who can take advantage. Weíre already familiar with the talents of Dwayne Bowe (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=3698848), but another piece of the puzzle fell into place later on in the game with Devard Darling (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=3263025). On a third down play in the second quarter, Darling ran right up the sideline, badly beat cornerback Eric Green (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=3628939), and got himself into position to make a big catch.

From the limited angles shown on the telecast, it appeared Green may have had safety help on the play. But that didnít seem to matter to Darling, as he was wide open regardless. Unfortunately the pass was overthrown and nothing came of it.

Still, the potential was there. Now imagine that same pass route being run on a play where the safety, instead of hanging back in coverage, is charging towards the line of scrimmage at the snap. If Chiefs receivers can beat their coverage like Darling did Saturday, weíre not just talking about a successful gain, weíre talking about a touchdown.

In many respects itís a matter of luck. After all, the play has to be called at the right time. But the more teams start disguising their efforts to stop the run, the more chances the Chiefs should have to catch them in that sort of mismatch.

These may just be isolated examples from preseason games, but opportunities should be bountiful during the regular season. As long as defenses have to focus on stopping Kansas Cityís ground attack, the play-action attack will always be waiting in the wings.

And with a healthy Johnson returning to form, receivers who can work their magic downfield, and a cannon-armed quarterback like Croyle, that aspect of the offense should thrive.
</td> </tr> </tbody></table> <script> var premiumFlag = 0; </script> <!--end STORY DISPLAY-->You all should read this article again. It only gets better the 5th or 6th time.

BigRock
08-19-2008, 03:46 PM
Good stuff from Mike. Can't wait to see Gailey open it up.

http://kan.scout.com/2/780802.html

<table><tbody><tr><td valign="top">Just two games into the preseason, it looks like teams are already adjusting to the Chiefs new offense.
</td></tr> <tr> <td colspan="3">
Several times during Saturdayís 27-17 loss to Arizona, the Cardinals appeared to wait until the last possible moment to put an eighth man in the box. Once the ball was snapped on certain plays, a safety would suddenly fly into the picture to help defend the run. And after the handoff to Larry Johnson, Brodie Croyle (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=3698850) would turn around and see an extra man at the line who hadnít been there when heíd scanned the defense before the play.

That sort of camouflage wasnít necessary a year ago. As youíve surely read in a variety of articles in recent weeks, KCís quarterbacks didnít have the ability to change the play in the previous system, meaning the offense often ran the ball straight into eight-man fronts.

There was no need for opponents to hide what they were doing when the Chiefs couldnít adjust to what the defense was showing them.

But now that an audible system is in place, things are different. If a defense comes out with eight men near the line of scrimmage, Croyle can easily call a pass play to take advantage of it. Knowing that, teams will want to conceal their plans, just as the Cardinals did Saturday.

Since the preseason started, Iíve watched KCís offense with great interest Ė as everyone has Ė in the hopes of seeing the new Chan Gailey scheme unfold. The Chiefs arenít going to show everything during meaningless games, of course, but we can still get a sense of whatís to come.

And after a running play during the Chiefs' second offensive series Saturday, when Cardinals safety Adrian Wilson (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=3628937) ran down into the box and stopped Johnson, I had a thought about Gaileyís offense - the play-action passing game should work wonders this season.

The Chief have run some play-action during the preseason, but mostly just bootlegs, which have turned into quick dumpoffs to the fullback or tight end, as the quarterback is usually throwing on the run. Unless the entire defensive line is fooled by the fake to the running back Ė like KCís line typically was against Jake Plummer and the Broncos, for instance Ė the quarterback rarely gets a chance to set his feet and fire the ball downfield.

But Iím talking about the more traditional play-action Ė plays where Croyle will stick the ball into Johnsonís gut, pull it back, and quickly scan the field for an open receiver while the defense bites on the run fake. This may sound rather basic, but in some ways, especially with the new audible wrinkle, itís almost like something new for Kansas Cityís offense.

The Chiefs have always been able to use the play-action pass, of course, but the success was mostly based on how well they fooled the other team into thinking a run was coming. Now they can gain an extra advantage by catching defenses out of position.

If Gailey had called for a play-action pass on the snap when Arizona sent Wilson into the box, the Cardinals would have been caught with their pants down. Because Wilson didnít want to commit while Croyle still had an opportunity to change the play, he was running towards the line of scrimmage as the ball was snapped, so that heíd be in position to stop the run.

Had Croyle faked the handoff and looked to throw downfield, Wilson would have been forced to slam on the breaks, spin around, and scramble desperately to get back into coverage. With all due respect to Wilson, one of the most underrated players in the entire league, he probably wouldnít have retreated into coverage quickly enough.

But for plays like that to have success, the Chiefs will need receivers who can take advantage. Weíre already familiar with the talents of Dwayne Bowe (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=3698848), but another piece of the puzzle fell into place later on in the game with Devard Darling (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=3263025). On a third down play in the second quarter, Darling ran right up the sideline, badly beat cornerback Eric Green (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=3628939), and got himself into position to make a big catch.

From the limited angles shown on the telecast, it appeared Green may have had safety help on the play. But that didnít seem to matter to Darling, as he was wide open regardless. Unfortunately the pass was overthrown and nothing came of it.

Still, the potential was there. Now imagine that same pass route being run on a play where the safety, instead of hanging back in coverage, is charging towards the line of scrimmage at the snap. If Chiefs receivers can beat their coverage like Darling did Saturday, weíre not just talking about a successful gain, weíre talking about a touchdown.

In many respects itís a matter of luck. After all, the play has to be called at the right time. But the more teams start disguising their efforts to stop the run, the more chances the Chiefs should have to catch them in that sort of mismatch.

These may just be isolated examples from preseason games, but opportunities should be bountiful during the regular season. As long as defenses have to focus on stopping Kansas Cityís ground attack, the play-action attack will always be waiting in the wings.

And with a healthy Johnson returning to form, receivers who can work their magic downfield, and a cannon-armed quarterback like Croyle, that aspect of the offense should thrive.
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This seems possible. I remember play action being mentioned as a big part of the Gailey offense when he was hired, but have they run a standard play action pass at all during the preseason? I can't remember anything. Maybe it's something they don't want to show off.

Did they run it at camp?

Yes. Haven't seen it once in two preseason games if I'm remembering correctly.

Thanks.

Simply Red
08-19-2008, 05:22 PM
How'd Larry look on Saturday?

FAX
08-19-2008, 05:56 PM
Wow. I sure do wish I could find an article about how teams are already adjusting to the Chiefs new offense.

FAX

FAX
08-19-2008, 05:57 PM
How'd Larry look on Saturday?

Some people said he looked good, Mr. Simply Red. Some other people said he looked bad. And there were some other people who said he was just "okay". I didn't see the game, though.

FAX

plbrdude
08-19-2008, 06:00 PM
Seriously, why do people quote entire articles in their posts? It doesn't make sense- if we are in this thread then we have likely already read the article in the original post. Do you want us to re-read the entire article before reading your post? Do you think that adds some special meaning or emphasis to your post? Or do you think that we will have completely forgotten the article by the time we arrive at your post (6th response in the thread)? I know it isn't just you, RINGLEADER, but please explain this to me.

doesn't it tie up extra bandwidth?
if nothing else it makes a post look really long.

Mecca
08-19-2008, 06:46 PM
These Offense 101 articles are sort of funny...

Week 1: Ch-ch-ch-changes... Audibles and You
Week 2: R,R/P,P,P...The play-action pass

Next week: Modern Football... Passing on 1st down (c) 1974


It's annoying for cell phones... we need a Posting 101.

It's not good to have a coaching staff who thinks the way to win games is the 1970 model, Herm is stuck in the era he played in. Winning games 13-10 these days is few and far between.

Bearcat
08-19-2008, 06:56 PM
It's not good to have a coaching staff who thinks the way to win games is the 1970 model, Herm is stuck in the era he played in. Winning games 13-10 these days is few and far between.

Yep, and you don't have to go any further than the Indy postgame last year to know he'll never change. He said "we were in a defensive game, and we were just trying to have a chance to win at the end of the game".

Uh, Herm, you did know Peyton Manning was playing, right?

People complain about the Patriots running up the score, but it sure beats playing not to lose.

Reerun_KC
08-19-2008, 06:58 PM
If Brodie is allowed to audible to the play action then why didn't he.......?
oops nevermind, he didn't see it coming.

You need a QB with some experience before you play action. Maybe he gets enough to try it later........then, maybe not.
How do you get a QB with some experience, if you cry when they let him play?

Reerun_KC
08-19-2008, 06:59 PM
Yep, and you don't have to go any further than the Indy postgame last year to know he'll never change. He said "we were in a defensive game, and we were just trying to have a chance to win at the end of the game".

Uh, Herm, you did know Peyton Manning was playing, right?

People complain about the Patriots running up the score, but it sure beats playing not to lose.


I think that game is one of the rare times you will see an NFL coach quit on his team out of fear... It was sad, yet pathetic, sucks it happened to the Chiefs.

Mecca
08-19-2008, 07:02 PM
Herm will never realize, offensive teams are becoming the best teams in football. They set up the run by passing these days.

Reerun_KC
08-19-2008, 07:12 PM
Herm will never realize, offensive teams are becoming the best teams in football. They set up the run by passing these days.
That is why he will never be a superbowl coach, let alone a good NFL coach..

The guy is like Uncle Rico, always living in the past....

Ari Chi3fs
08-19-2008, 07:27 PM
This is all fine and dandy and all... but what about Sippio?

Count Alex's Wins
08-19-2008, 07:29 PM
This is all fine and dandy and all... but what about Sippio?

Who?