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SNR
08-21-2008, 02:29 PM
Check out his blob blog update for today:

If there was one position where the Chiefs may be active on the waiver wire the day after the final NFL cutdown, it will be at linebacker. In his first two seasons with the Chiefs, Herm Edwards has kept seven linebackers. Right now it’s tough to find seven backers who have performed well enough in this pre-season to deserve a roster spot.

Count on Derrick Johnson, Demorrio Williams and Pat Thomas to be there as the Chiefs starters. Williams will not play over the rest of the pre-season because of a broken bone in his hand, but the Chiefs expect him to be ready to play in the season opener.

Also count in veteran Donnie Edwards who continues to rehab his hamstring pull and should be back on the practice field next week.

That’s four; it’s a struggle to find two or three more. Among the remaining LBs, rookie Wes Dacus has the best shot at making the final 53. He’s running fifth now, moving up to the starting group in Wednesday’s practice when Williams could not go with a finger injury. Dacus may get the start this Saturday against Miami.

Oliver Hoyte, LeRue Rumph and Steve Octavien have not been consistent enough in the pre-season to warrant a spot on the final roster. Rumph and/or Octavien could end up on the practice squad. E.J. Kuale has performed primarily in the kicking game.

And that leaves veteran Napoleon Harris. This will be an interesting call for the decision makers. Harris was a disappointment last year and he lost his starting job at middle linebacker early in training camp. Since then he’s been battling a knee injury. He would provide an experienced backup, but he would not be much help on special teams and the backup linebackers have to contribute in the kicking game. If he were not an unrestricted free agent signed last year, there’s no way he would make the team.

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If we were all about a youth movement, shouldn't we have gone out and got some young, talented, but inexperienced guys instead of signing turds leftover from the draft?

OnTheWarpath58
08-21-2008, 02:30 PM
He's right on, this time.

Our LB's DO suck.

Dicky McElephant
08-21-2008, 02:31 PM
It's too bad we didn't have a shot at Karlos Dansby.

J Diddy
08-21-2008, 02:33 PM
the question is would anybody trade anything for harris?

Chiefs Pantalones
08-21-2008, 02:36 PM
lol another free agent bust

Deberg_1990
08-21-2008, 02:40 PM
lol another free agent bust


Yea, im not sure why they signed the guy?? He was a disappointment for two teams previous.

I was certainly no Kawika fan, but he was young and growing.

Coogs
08-21-2008, 02:40 PM
At least we have Gun coaching this unit! :D

J Diddy
08-21-2008, 02:41 PM
Yea, im not sure why they signed the guy?? He was a disappointment for two teams previous.

I was certainly no Kawika fan, but he was young and growing.

he was young and growing, at the speed of fungus

Chiefs Pantalones
08-21-2008, 02:43 PM
Yea, im not sure why they signed the guy?? He was a disappointment for two teams previous.

I was certainly no Kawika fan, but he was young and growing.

Probably because Herm and the staff think they can make chicken salad out of chicken shit.

Nightfyre
08-21-2008, 02:46 PM
Wasn't Hoyte a Fullback?

jjchieffan
08-21-2008, 02:50 PM
I think he was a Boomer. i.e. Linebacker converted to fullback. He is just moving back to his original position, if I remember correctly.

The Bad Guy
08-21-2008, 02:51 PM
So Donnie Edwards is now a backup?

Great signing.

Free agency has doomed this team as much as the draft.

StcChief
08-21-2008, 02:52 PM
Wasn't Hoyte a Fullback?thats what I thought too....

Mitchell move seemed FU.

Chiefs Pantalones
08-21-2008, 02:54 PM
So Donnie Edwards is now a backup?

Great signing.

Free agency has doomed this team as much as the draft.

Nothing will change with this team until they do a full out overall major super house cleaning. The culture at One Arrowhead Drive is a losing one, and that needs to be changed. That can only be done with new blood; a new direction.

OnTheWarpath58
08-21-2008, 02:56 PM
So Donnie Edwards is now a backup?

Great signing.

Free agency has doomed this team as much as the draft.

I think Donnie is only being considered a backup at this time because of his injury. I would think that once he's fully healthy, he'd play over Williams.

Regardless, can't argue one bit about the bolded line.

ILChief
08-21-2008, 02:57 PM
good thing we let Mitchell and Fujita walk.

Deberg_1990
08-21-2008, 02:58 PM
Nothing will change with this team until they do a full out overall major super house cleaning. The culture at One Arrowhead Drive is a losing one, and that needs to be changed. That can only be done with new blood; a new direction.

Maybe the smartest post ive ever seen on here.

RustShack
08-21-2008, 03:03 PM
Harris will make the roster and be starting again when its all said and done...

FAX
08-21-2008, 03:04 PM
Nothing will change with this team until they do a full out overall major super house cleaning. The culture at One Arrowhead Drive is a losing one, and that needs to be changed. That can only be done with new blood; a new direction.

Well said, Mr. Vanilla Thunder. It begins and ends with Clarkie. At this point, our problems are systemic. This linebacker situation is just another symptom of Peterson's disease. The franchise is dysfunctional. We fire guys who are better than the guys we're starting now and pick up new guys who can't even make the team when the starting guys suck worse than the guys we had before. It's insane.

FAX

Chiefs Pantalones
08-21-2008, 03:08 PM
Maybe the smartest post ive ever seen on here.

It's so true though. With all due respect to the Hunts, what the **** kind of owner allows a GM to stay with his team for 19 years with no real success, but ticket sales? The NFL is both about winning Super Bowls, and business, but it's obvious to the people that possess common sense that it's more about business as far as the Chiefs go.

You keep your tickets, you keep buying merchandise...then the status quo remains status quo.

The only way for fans to get their voice in is to not buy tickets, not buy merchandise. But that will not ever be the case. We are in football hell because we love our team so much that we won't ever say no to a friend that says, "hey man, I got an extra ticket, you wanna go? 80 bucks." Or say no to that new hat or jersey that your favorite player possesses when you go to the mall.

We really are in hell. Most of the teams are though, except for the usuals, because they know how to draft, how to be selective with free agents, etc. They have the right people running the show. We, obviously, don't.

And until they show different, the fans have the right to not believe in what Herm is trying to do, until they show it on the field.

It's the Show Me State, bitches. Show us.


sorry for the rant

Deberg_1990
08-21-2008, 03:13 PM
It's so true though. With all due respect to the Hunts, what the **** kind of owner allows a GM to stay with his team for 19 years with no real success, but ticket sales? The NFL is both about winning Super Bowls, and business, but it's obvious to the people that possess common sense that it's more about business as far as the Chiefs go.

You keep your tickets, you keep buying merchandise...then the status quo remains status quo.

The only way for fans to get their voice in is to not buy tickets, not buy merchandise. But that will not ever be the case. We are in football hell because we love our team so much that we won't ever say no to a friend that says, "hey man, I got an extra ticket, you wanna go? 80 bucks." Or say no to that new hat or jersey that your favorite player possesses when you go to the mall.

We really are in hell. Most of the teams are though, except for the usuals, because they know how to draft, how to be selective with free agents, etc. They have the right people running the show. We, obviously, don't.

And until they show different, the fans have the right to not believe in what Herm is trying to do, until they show it on the field.

It's the Show Me State, bitches. Show us.


sorry for the rant

No need to be sorry. I agree 100%

I just hope Clark wakes up soon. Chiefs fans will always be Chiefs fans. Of course they will buy the tickets and gear. It doesnt matter who the GM is. So why do the Hunts continue to hold on to this fossil?

Coogs
08-21-2008, 03:15 PM
We fire guys who are better than the guys we're starting now and pick up new guys who can't even make the team when the starting guys suck worse than the guys we had before. It's insane.

FAX

Who was the DC who wanted all of these changes made?

FAX
08-21-2008, 03:18 PM
Clarkie said all the right things last off-season. The problem is that he seems to be backing off his expectation that we compete for a playoff spot this year. I'm certain that modification in his position is due to reports from marketing that ticket sales are improving.

Mr. Vanilla Thunder is right. From top to bottom, this organization seems to have been more concerned about the success of the "business" than the success of the "team". I don't really understand that. It seems to me that, if you're fielding a playoff caliber team year after year, the business would naturally thrive.

FAX

Chiefs Pantalones
08-21-2008, 03:19 PM
No need to be sorry. I agree 100%

I just hope Clark wakes up soon. Chiefs fans will always be Chiefs fans. Of course they will buy the tickets and gear. It doesnt matter who the GM is. So why do the Hunts continue to hold on this fossil?

IMO, they hold onto Carl because he is a good business man, and he did bring the Chiefs back from the dead when he was hired in 89 and brought Marty in. Carl should've resigned with Marty in 98, then I don't think fans would be too hard on Carl or the Hunts.

Marty knew his time was up, I hated him as a coach, but at least he knew it was time to go. Carl is too comfy where he's at.

StcChief
08-21-2008, 03:20 PM
Harris will make the roster and be starting again when its all said and done...maybe roster hopefully not starting :grr:

FAX
08-21-2008, 03:20 PM
Who was the DC who wanted all of these changes made?

Point, Mr. Coogs. Was it our resident mad German who was responsible for canning Fujita, though? Or, was it Robinson? I can't remember. Nevertheless, if our defense suffers this year, it may well be the last we'll see of Guntheriffic.

FAX

Chiefs Pantalones
08-21-2008, 03:22 PM
Clarkie said all the right things last off-season. The problem is that he seems to be backing off his expectation that we compete for a playoff spot this year. I'm certain that modification in his position is due to reports from marketing that ticket sales are improving.

Mr. Vanilla Thunder is right. From top to bottom, this organization seems to have been more concerned about the success of the "business" than the success of the "team". I don't really understand that. It seems to me that, if you're fielding a playoff caliber team year after year, the business would naturally thrive.

FAX

I know. Doe's Clark think the Patriots are just "getting by" with their constant Super Bowl appearances lmao!!!

You win, you get more pub, more money, everything.

The Chiefs are good at marketing and getting their fans to the games, but they are not good at putting a consistent winner on the field.

SNR
08-21-2008, 03:23 PM
Okay, geniouses out there who know what the problem is. Tell me what we do RIGHT NOW to fix the situation.

We've got unplayable LBs backing up a starting unit that contains one pretty decent player and two other "meh".

What do we do?

Coogs
08-21-2008, 03:24 PM
Point, Mr. Coogs. Was it our resident mad German who was responsible for canning Fujita, though? Or, was it Robinson? I can't remember. Nevertheless, if our defense suffers this year, it may well be the last we'll see of Guntheriffic.

FAX


He went to the Cowboys in 2005. That would make it under Guns watch. My guess is that is when Bell came in as well.

Sure-Oz
08-21-2008, 03:27 PM
Scanlon not on the roster?

Chiefs Pantalones
08-21-2008, 03:28 PM
Okay, geniouses out there who know what the problem is. Tell me what we do RIGHT NOW to fix the situation.

We've got unplayable LBs backing up a starting unit that contains one pretty decent player and two other "meh".

What do we do?

I would go to the waiver wire, as Gretz said in his blog, not sure if they'll make a move. You're rebuilding, yes, but you want to have good young players to deal with geez!! haha

Deberg_1990
08-21-2008, 03:28 PM
Okay, geniouses out there who know what the problem is. Tell me what we do RIGHT NOW to fix the situation.

We've got unplayable LBs backing up a starting unit that contains one pretty decent player and two other "meh".

What do we do?


Short term fix: Wait to see who gets cut next week.

Long term: Sack Carl Peterson as soon as possible.

FAX
08-21-2008, 03:31 PM
Okay, geniouses out there who know what the problem is. Tell me what we do RIGHT NOW to fix the situation.

We've got unplayable LBs backing up a starting unit that contains one pretty decent player and two other "meh".

What do we do?

Good question, Mr. SNR. What can we do? If there are no solid LBs available through waivers this year, we have to watch Herm try to make chicken salad all year. Then, we have to draft LBs like there's no tomorrow and wait two more years for them to develop.

Not to beat an expired horse that is no more and has passed on to the great pasture in the sky where the grass is always green, the water blue, and the fillies cute but kinda skanky, but this comes back to whether or not Herm is the phenomenal judge of talent that lots of peeps make him out to be. Somebody, in addition to Guntheriffic, must have thought that these guys could play.

FAX

Rausch
08-21-2008, 03:32 PM
Bad News : Our LB's are playing like $3it, and likely suck as a unit.

Good News : we know it BEFORE the season, we ADMIT it, and we aren't running around powdering bottoms and changing diapers.

"Thanks for trying. I understand, but you're terrible. Cheers."

Chiefnj2
08-21-2008, 03:50 PM
Waivers and practice squad designees.

I thought a famous person once said that you don't take LB's in the first round because they are so easy to find in the middle rounds.

Nightfyre
08-21-2008, 03:52 PM
Anyone know if Boldin can play LB?

Buehler445
08-21-2008, 04:02 PM
I thought this was a good article by Gretz. It wasn't oozing with propaganda. That bieng said, ****! I had hoped Octavien would come around and we'd have some solid depth we could develop.

Posted via Mobile Device

FAX
08-21-2008, 04:19 PM
Wait just a ding dong dippity dang minute, men. We're talking about Gretz here. Gretz of "The Chiefs know what they're doing." fame. Gretz the Carl-can-do-no-wrong man. Gretz the excuse-maker supreme.

Maybe we should wait and see how these guys actually perform on the field in a real game before jumping off the bridge of despair into the freezing waters of hopelessness without the life vest of hope or the bungee cord of optimism. I mean, maybe he's full of it again.

FAX

FringeNC
08-21-2008, 04:35 PM
The annual "Gun is a great DC, BUT he's got to have ....." talk is starting early this year.

Deberg_1990
08-21-2008, 05:03 PM
The annual "Gun is a great DC, BUT he's got to have ....." talk is starting early this year.

Yes, i agree. All Gun has to have is a Superstar Pro Bowl player at these positions to succeed:

LDE
DT
DT
RDE
LOLB
ROLB
MLB
LC
RC
FS
SS

Gun just needs a few more years, please be patient.



Love Carl.....

siberian khatru
08-21-2008, 05:11 PM
Count on Derrick Johnson, Demorrio Williams and Pat Thomas to be there as the Chiefs starters.

I think we can only count on Johnson, PERIOD, to do anything.

We have one decent LB. Everybody else sucks.

What a disaster. Dorsey and Tank are going to have to make sure nobody gets past the line of scrimmage.

chiefbowe82
08-21-2008, 05:16 PM
i'm a herm fan but every FA he has brought in has been awful

Rain Man
08-21-2008, 05:56 PM
5-1-5 defense. Stuff the running game, and blanket the receivers. Linebackers are superfluous.

ChiefsCountry
08-21-2008, 06:09 PM
If Morgan could step up, Pollard could make one hell of a Cover 2 linebacker.

JASONSAUTO
08-21-2008, 06:17 PM
If Morgan could step up, Pollard could make one hell of a Cover 2 linebacker.

agreed he's got the size and the speed to do well in that position. just would need to tackle better IMO

Mr. Laz
08-21-2008, 06:36 PM
Okay, geniouses out there who know what the problem is. Tell me what we do RIGHT NOW to fix the situation.

We've got unplayable LBs backing up a starting unit that contains one pretty decent player and two other "meh".

What do we do?
too late


a team has to identify it's problems BEFORE FA/Draft not before the 3rd preseason game.


it's the difference between good organizations and crappy ones.

JASONSAUTO
08-21-2008, 06:37 PM
but did anyone really see this coming? if you say yes prove it that you felt that way prior to the draft

Mecca
08-21-2008, 06:38 PM
Waivers and practice squad designees.

I thought a famous person once said that you don't take LB's in the first round because they are so easy to find in the middle rounds.

I did say that, and I believe it, but you need to take into account this team hasn't been drafting LB's AT ALL, this team is full of old FA's and undrafted guys.

Mr. Laz
08-21-2008, 06:45 PM
but did anyone really see this coming? if you say yes prove it that you felt that way prior to the draft
what do you mean did anyone see this coming?

we were going into this offseason with 1 proven linebacker and a stopgap old guy

Derrick Johnson
Donnie Edwards

we were rebuilding so Donnie Edwards couldn't fit into the plans.


Demorrio Williams was their answer???


that's like firing a .22 caliber at an oncoming tank and hoping your hit something lucky.


there are some positions where the Chiefs threw up the white flag this off season ... linebacker is one of them.

JASONSAUTO
08-21-2008, 06:50 PM
but all the so called experts had lb as one of our biggest strengths all had over 100 tackles last year

beach tribe
08-21-2008, 07:04 PM
but all the so called experts had lb as one of our biddest strengths all had over 100 tackles last year

That's because no one was getting stops on the front.

I think we're gonna target LBs next off season.

We're gonna have good pick positions, and TON of money to throw around.

TEX
08-21-2008, 07:47 PM
too late


a team has to identify it's problems BEFORE FA/Draft not before the 3rd preseason game.


it's the difference between good organizations and crappy ones.

:clap:

I understand where you're coming from here. IMO, they did indeed just wave the whie flag at the LB core this offseason. Too much in need to fix...

milkman
08-21-2008, 08:26 PM
I did say that, and I believe it, but you need to take into account this team hasn't been drafting LB's AT ALL, this team is full of old FA's and undrafted guys.


You and I are usually on the same page, but as you already know, we are nowhere near the same page when it comes to when you draft a LB.

I believe if you have the opportunity to draft the guy that's going to man the middle, and be the leader of the defense in the top 10, you take.

Even on the outside if there's a guy there that you believe can be a difference maker you have to take him.

I'm pretty sure that #4 overall wasn't wasted back in '89.

milkman
08-21-2008, 08:29 PM
too late


a team has to identify it's problems BEFORE FA/Draft not before the 3rd preseason game.


it's the difference between good organizations and crappy ones.

Agreed.

However, our biggest problem was that we had problems everywhere, so there was no way in hell we were going to address them all.

OK, I take that back.

Our biggest problem was, and still is Carl, who, of course, is responsible for all these other problems.

beach tribe
08-21-2008, 08:32 PM
You and I are usually on the same page, but as you already know, we are nowhere near the same page when it comes to when you draft a LB.

I believe if you have the opportunity to draft the guy that's going to man the middle, and be the leader of the defense in the top 10, you take.

Even on the outside if there's a guy there that you believe can be a difference maker you have to take him.

I'm pretty sure that #4 overall wasn't wasted back in '89.

I agree. Yeah you might be able to get a lot of serviceable LBs later, but a game changing LB is the leader, and sets the tone for the defense.

He's the guy who's going to be making the most tackles on your football team. Put a mid round guy in Urlacher's spot, the Bears never go to the bowl.
Same with Ray Ray, and others.

Smed1065
08-21-2008, 08:35 PM
Seems not long ago, everyone thought LB was one of our strongest possibilities?

Maybe its just my age.

milkman
08-21-2008, 08:40 PM
I think Donnie is only being considered a backup at this time because of his injury. I would think that once he's fully healthy, he'd play over Williams.

Regardless, can't argue one bit about the bolded line.

I think Donnie is all but done.

He's old, and he can no longer stay on the field.
His one strength, speed. is neutralized by his hammy issues.

He was never as good otherwise as most Chiefs fans think he was.

milkman
08-21-2008, 08:42 PM
I agree. Yeah you might be able to get a lot of serviceable LBs later, but a game changing LB is the leader, and sets the tone for the defense.

He's the guy who's going to be making the most tackles on your football team. Put a mid round guy in Urlacher's spot, the Bears never go to the bowl.
Same with Ray Ray, and others.

mecca doesn't believe that you pass on LBs altogether in the first round, and Lewis was taken somewhere around 25, 26 overall.

He just believes that top 10 overall should not be used on LB.

beach tribe
08-21-2008, 08:49 PM
mecca doesn't believe that you pass on LBs altogether in the first round, and Lewis was taken somewhere around 25, 26 overall.

He just believes that top 10 overall should not be used on LB.

I think it all depends on the caliber of LB, or any other position for that matter.

Chiefnj2
08-21-2008, 08:54 PM
mecca doesn't believe that you pass on LBs altogether in the first round, and Lewis was taken somewhere around 25, 26 overall.

He just believes that top 10 overall should not be used on LB.

See post #48.

The Bad Guy
08-21-2008, 08:55 PM
I think Donnie is all but done.

He's old, and he can no longer stay on the field.
His one strength, speed. is neutralized by his hammy issues.

He was never as good otherwise as most Chiefs fans think he was.

I like your takes on here.

But I've never seen you once say a player is as good as everyone thinks he is.

TEX
08-21-2008, 09:03 PM
Agreed.

However, our biggest problem was that we had problems everywhere, so there was no way in hell we were going to address them all.

OK, I take that back.

Our biggest problem was, and still is Carl, who, of course, is responsible for all these other problems.

:clap: You said it all! Gets my vote for post of the year...

milkman
08-21-2008, 09:36 PM
I like your takes on here.

But I've never seen you once say a player is as good as everyone thinks he is.


I can see that.

I rarely comment on players that are getting deserved praise, I guess.

So, in an effort to be a little more positive, I believe that Willie Roaf and Will Shields, in spite of all the props they got, were still a little underrated.

HemiEd
08-21-2008, 10:29 PM
So Donnie Edwards is now a backup?

Great signing.

Free agency has doomed this team as much as the draft.Gotta give some kudos to Herm on this. Previously we would be playing him regardless.
See #99 Kendrell Bell for an example

milkman
08-21-2008, 10:31 PM
Gotta give some kudos to Herm on this. Previously we would be playing him regardless.
See #99 Kendrell Bell for an example

I wonder if Cunther is still waiting in his offce with Bell for someone to come and "tell it to their faces" that Bell sucked?

Chiefshrink
08-21-2008, 10:36 PM
FWIW, yes we have had our share of FA busts, but I bet Denver has had more since Shanny's inception in 95. Shanny is such a sucker for the big name FA.

HemiEd
08-21-2008, 10:39 PM
I wonder if **nther is still waiting in his offce with Bell for someone to come and "tell it to their faces" that Bell sucked?
A typical stoopid Gunther take, he makes Herm look smart. Why are we cursed with these dumbasses? I am starting to understand the people that say this team is getting stocked for the next HC. Chan Gailey?

Mecca
08-21-2008, 10:40 PM
mecca doesn't believe that you pass on LBs altogether in the first round, and Lewis was taken somewhere around 25, 26 overall.

He just believes that top 10 overall should not be used on LB.

Unless it's a pass rusher which makes DT an exception to my rule as far as that goes.

Buehler445
08-21-2008, 10:40 PM
FWIW, yes we have had our share of FA busts, but I bet Denver has had more since Shanny's inception in 95. Shanny is such a sucker for the big name FA.

He's not even the worst in the AFCW...Al Davis

cdcox
08-21-2008, 10:42 PM
However, our biggest problem was that we had problems everywhere, so there was no way in hell we were going to address them all.



Yep. Even if every draftee develops into a solid starter some point down the line we'd need at least another draft that delivered 5 or 6 starters to fill all the holes on this team. This whole season is about talent evaluation. It is going to be like another 16 weeks of preseason, except our fake starters will play longer and our real starters will get more injured and older.

Deberg_1990
08-21-2008, 10:45 PM
We dont even know if we have a reliable QB yet IMO.

Buehler445
08-21-2008, 10:47 PM
We dont even know if we have a realiable QB yet IMO.

I don't think that is a question. I'm as much of a Brodie supporter as anybody, but I don't think there is an arguement that he is reliable. Potentialy, yes. Definitely, no.

Deberg_1990
08-21-2008, 10:50 PM
I don't think that is a question. I'm as much of a Brodie supporter as anybody, but I don't think there is an arguement that he is reliable. Potentialy, yes. Definitely, no.


We dont know if he can stay healthy for a whole season

We dont know if he can win a game.

We dont know if he will ever develop.

Whats your defination of reliable??

Cormac
08-21-2008, 10:52 PM
Yep. Even if every draftee develops into a solid starter some point down the line we'd need at least another draft that delivered 5 or 6 starters to fill all the holes on this team. This whole season is about talent evaluation. It is going to be like another 16 weeks of preseason, except our fake starters will play longer and our real starters will get more injured and older.

This gets my vote for post of the year :)

It doesn't really matter that our LBs appear to suck. So does our OL. So does our DL (young and full of potential doesn't mean jack yet). So do our QBs (until proven otherwise). Our CBs are totally untested (everybody but Surtain) or past-it (Surtain). The list goes on. People are already hoping that Pollard get demoted. Wasn't he "Bonecrusher" a year ago?

This team is bad, but is hopefully getting better. The LBs are only a small part of the big picture problem.

milkman
08-21-2008, 10:52 PM
Unless it's a pass rusher which makes DT an exception to my rule as far as that goes.

So, in your opinion, the Bears made an error in draft judgement in selecting Brian Urlacher number 9 overall?

Smed1065
08-21-2008, 10:59 PM
Seems to me that the first QB KC has tried to develop in years, should get the benefit of the doubt if he shows signs of improvement.

Maybe CP knows the market better than we give him credit for?

:eek:

Maybe he made the fans this way?

Otter
08-21-2008, 11:06 PM
Okay, geniouses out there who know what the problem is. Tell me what we do RIGHT NOW to fix the situation.

We've got unplayable LBs backing up a starting unit that contains one pretty decent player and two other "meh".

What do we do?

Stop putting ourselves in this position? :shrug:

Buehler445
08-21-2008, 11:07 PM
We dont know if he can stay healthy for a whole season

We dont know if he can win a game.

We dont know if he will ever develop.

Whats your defination of reliable??

Maybe I wasn't clear. I'm agreeing with you. Nobody can say he is reliable.

SNR
08-22-2008, 12:54 AM
Stop putting ourselves in this position? :shrug:YES! ABSOLUTELY! My vote for post of the year!! :clap:



No, I really don't think that. I've just seen that bullshit on this thread on three different occasions already, and wanted to join in.

Mecca
08-22-2008, 01:00 AM
So, in your opinion, the Bears made an error in draft judgement in selecting Brian Urlacher number 9 overall?

For as good as he is I'd say to an extent yes, he has a tendency to disappear without other players around him and numerous other teams have excellent MLB play with later picks used.

Deberg_1990
08-22-2008, 06:57 AM
For as good as he is I'd say to an extent yes, he has a tendency to disappear without other players around him and numerous other teams have excellent MLB play with later picks used.

Its not that those guys like Urlacher are not talented. But for non pass rushing linebackers, theres not that big of a difference between a 1st round guy and a 3rd or 4th round guy. Not enough to make a huge difference.


But its probably a safe draft pick first round. You dont see too many linebackers bust big time unless its injury. Not nearly as many as other positions.

Mecca
08-22-2008, 07:02 AM
Like say Brian Urlacher was a top 10 pick.....would you rather have him there or Lofa Tutupu in the 2nd?

Nightfyre
08-22-2008, 07:13 AM
Like say Brian Urlacher was a top 10 pick.....would you rather have him there or Lofa Tutupu in the 2nd?

Tutupu is going to be really good this year. He flies under a lot of folks' radar, but look out for seattle LB corps.

angelo
08-22-2008, 08:54 AM
Arizona is deep at linebacker and may have to cut or slip onto the practice squad Ali Highsmith who was undrafted but has had a great camp and played really well in the preseason.

He would be one to watch.

I also think that Wes Dacus could develop into a good linebacker.

Ang

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chiefsngop
08-23-2008, 12:16 PM
For as good as he is I'd say to an extent yes, he has a tendency to disappear without other players around him and numerous other teams have excellent MLB play with later picks used.

Yes sir. IMO if you're going to use your 1st rounder on a LB there has to be a HUGE discrepancy between him and the pack, he has to stand far far out. If not, it's best to use that pick trying to find the next Roaf, Peyton, Neil Smith, or Champ Bailey.

That said, I don't think people (especially Carl Peterson) give the MLB position as much credit as it deserves. That lone position can be a lynch pin of a successful defense.

Qaulity MLB's stop the run and the short pass, and those two attributes keep the chains from moving and halt drives before they begin.

Another big item that teams like us miss out on when we don't have a stellar MLB, is the punishment that a true stud at that position doles out. When you have a Ray Lewis or Urlacher up the middle, consistently laying wood on running backs, slot receivers, tight ends, gaurds, and centers, it can damn near incapacitate an offense by the 4th quarter.

I hate watching receivers catch slant routes over the middle on us, only to be slowly drug down by their jersey. A slant route over the middle should scare the sh*t out of a receiver, and his head oughta roll clear to the sidelines if he dares raise his arms to catch the ball over the middle.

If you can intimidate an opposing team, you can dictate the game to them, and right now the Chiefs aren't intimidating anyone.

Mecca
08-23-2008, 12:18 PM
When the Chiefs lineup in as much zone as they do, they're gonna get beat by slants the route itself lends itself to kicking a zones ass.

Deberg_1990
08-23-2008, 12:23 PM
When the Chiefs lineup in as much zone as they do, they're gonna get beat by slants the route itself lends itself to kicking a zones ass.


Doesnt the nature of a cover 2 lend itself to giving up smaller plays/longer drives?

Mecca
08-23-2008, 12:30 PM
Doesnt the nature of a cover 2 lend itself to giving up smaller plays/longer drives?

Basically, it was a defense designed to play the 49ers/WCO because of all if it's throws to the flats and all that.

If a team is very vertical with you in the passing game you'll have issues unless your team is full of elite players.

chiefsngop
08-23-2008, 02:08 PM
Basically, it was a defense designed to play the 49ers/WCO because of all if it's throws to the flats and all that.

If a team is very vertical with you in the passing game you'll have issues unless your team is full of elite players.

So the defensive scheme creates issues with a vertical passing game, as well as difficulty stopping shorter slants ? Your interpretation sounds bad for the Chiefs, issues with vertical passing, issues with short slants, ouch.

On the earlier note, I understand that zone D makes a slant that much more effective. IMO this actually helps my point, that we are missing the boat by not acquiring a heavy hitting scary MLB.

How you ask?

Ok, a receiver comes across the middle, and he has some room due to the zone defense, BUT if we had a monster MLB.......

1. The ball might be dropped as the receiver "hears footsteps" of the big monster coming for him.

2. The ball might be caught, but then immediately jarred loose by the big fella layin a Mega Hit on the b*stard, sending the ball to the turf and the receiver to sideline with concussion.

3. Later in the game, slot receivers may run their routes more timidly across the middle, fearing the big whammy....

4. D backs and OLBs don't bite as hard on play action, knowing that even if the ball IS handed off, Dorsey and our MLB behind him will take care of it. Creating less of a chance of a CB getting burned for a td on a play action fly route.

5. If you have a quality MLB, opposing O-lines have to honor his potential blitz, limiting all-out double teams on Dorsey.

It's just my opinion, but I really feel the Chiefs have to find a stud for the middle, or they will suffer in many different aspects of the game from the lack of this lynch pin position.

evolve27
09-21-2008, 04:37 PM
Cvnther coaching these LBs is ridiculous. Same shit, every week. Gretz was and is right.

triple
09-21-2008, 04:41 PM
you have to wonder why they brought Edwards back in.

I guess it hasn't mattered much, he is rarely seen

Kerberos
09-21-2008, 06:38 PM
you have to wonder why they brought Edwards back in.

I guess it hasn't mattered much, he is rarely seen

He did good in SD when he was younger because he was good. His last few years there he did good because he had GREAT players around him.

Now he is part of the problem and FAR from helping us with a solution.

:banghead: :cuss:

The Bad Guy
09-21-2008, 06:40 PM
Derrick Johnson is a joke.

So is Pat Thomas.

The only one that made a few plays was Donnie.

Blow the whole ****ing thing up.