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recxjake
08-22-2008, 09:08 PM
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Pitt Gorilla
08-22-2008, 09:11 PM
Biden would be a solid choice.

Donger
08-22-2008, 09:13 PM
I guess old Biden has changed his mind, eh?

RINGLEADER
08-22-2008, 09:14 PM
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I like Biden. Doesn't make up for Obama's views and positions but, hopefully, Obama will listen to him if elected and not screw things up completely.

HolmeZz
08-22-2008, 09:16 PM
A six term US Senator... that's change we can believe in...

Oh, I get it.

Obama = Not experienced enough.

Biden = Too experienced.

DaKCMan AP
08-22-2008, 09:17 PM
Oh, I get it.

Obama = Not experienced enough.

Biden = Too experienced.

You forgot..

recxjake = dumbass used dirty douche

Donger
08-22-2008, 09:19 PM
"I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy, I mean, that's a storybook, man."

Ultra Peanut
08-22-2008, 09:20 PM
Biden, Reed, Sebelius... I like the remaining contestants.

Donger
08-22-2008, 09:20 PM
Sen. Joe Biden (D-DE) Reaffirmed That Obama Was Not Ready To Be Commander In Chief. ABC's George Stephanopoulos: "You were asked is he ready. You said 'I think he can be ready, but right now I don't believe he is. The presidency is not something that lends itself to on-the-job training.'" Sen. Biden: "I think that I stand by the statement." (ABC's "This Week," 8/19/07)

Ultra Peanut
08-22-2008, 09:20 PM
I love the pic... Biden is a walking time bomb... Deleware isn't in play, and the RNC/McCain has all kinds of crap on this guy... I hope its true!Biden is a loose cannon, but "walking time bomb" more accurately describes McCain.

Pitt Gorilla
08-22-2008, 09:26 PM
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ROFL ROFL ROFLIf he wasn't ready a year ago, I would guess Biden would say he is now.

Donger
08-22-2008, 09:28 PM
If he wasn't ready a year ago, I would guess Biden would say he is now.

Really? What has changed since then?

HolmeZz
08-22-2008, 09:29 PM
I love the pic... Biden is a walking time bomb... Deleware isn't in play!

Obama's pick has more to do with governing than just getting him through the election. The same won't be said about McCain if he picks Romney.

Pitt Gorilla
08-22-2008, 09:30 PM
Really? What has changed since then?I would suggest asking Biden.

Donger
08-22-2008, 09:31 PM
I would suggest asking Biden.

If he's the pick, I would imagine that he will.

HolmeZz
08-22-2008, 09:31 PM
"I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy, I mean, that's a storybook, man."

Who do you think cares?

Donger
08-22-2008, 09:31 PM
Who do you think cares?

Apparently not Barack Hussein, if he's the pick.

HolmeZz
08-22-2008, 09:36 PM
Apparently not Barack Hussein, if he's the pick.

Barack accepted Biden's apology the first day of the campaign and said it wasn't a big deal.

Donger
08-22-2008, 09:37 PM
Barack accepted Biden's apology the first day of the campaign and said it wasn't a big deal.

Good. How long has it taken him to accept the other?

Guru
08-22-2008, 09:45 PM
Wasn't Biden one of the democrats that blasted Obama on the experience factor earlier this year?

HolmeZz
08-22-2008, 09:45 PM
Great things about the Biden pick:

2. Gaffe Machine

Like John McCain.

3. Pisses off Hillary supporters

Try again.

4. 6 term US Senator - some change

Like John McCain?

6. Racist

Sad you're reduced to this.

7. Cheater in school
8. C/D Student

:spock:

9. Long record of failure in Presidential politics

Like John McCain?

Thig Lyfe
08-22-2008, 09:46 PM
Biden's crazy...

SO CRAZY THAT IT MIGHT JUST WORK!!!!!!!

(I like the pick.)

HolmeZz
08-22-2008, 09:50 PM
Everybody's got it wrong.

It's not Joe Biden. It's Joe Budden.

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Simple mistake.

irishjayhawk
08-22-2008, 09:52 PM
Like John McCain.



Try again.



Like John McCain?



Sad you're reduced to this.



:spock: <-Mistake!



Like John McCain?

You missed an opportunity, HolmeZz. Mr. McCain finished 4th or 5th from the bottom of his class. I don't recall the grades, but I'm expecting they were C-D range. Much like, you know, Bush.

HolmeZz
08-22-2008, 09:54 PM
You missed an opportunity, HolmeZz. Mr. McCain finished 4th or 5th from the bottom of his class. I don't recall the grades, but I'm expecting they were C-D range. Much like, you know, Bush.

I know, I just did a quick check and couldn't find anything about Biden being an awful student. In fact, his academic history looked pretty good at quick glance.

irishjayhawk
08-22-2008, 10:01 PM
http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showpost.php?p=4936521&postcount=8

He's a C/D student

Psssssss, so was Bush. So was McCain.

Captain Obvious
08-22-2008, 10:02 PM
http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showpost.php?p=4936521&postcount=8

He's a C/D student

You receive an F for citing Wikipedia.

irishjayhawk
08-22-2008, 10:03 PM
You receive an F for citing Wikipedia.

You receive and F for telling someone they cannot cite Wikipedia.

Tiger's Fan
08-22-2008, 10:11 PM
Jesus, did the DNC let the GOP pick their VP candidate? Nothing like sealing the deal for the right. They couldn't have scripted this any better for themselves. Hello President McCain.

beer bacon
08-22-2008, 10:15 PM
Jesus, did the DNC let the GOP pick their VP candidate? Nothing like sealing the deal for the right. They couldn't have scripted this any better for themselves. Hello President McCain.

Not really. Recx posting stupid bullshit does not mean the GOP was just handed the election.

beer bacon
08-22-2008, 10:16 PM
Recx can smear Biden. Biden will be busy attacking McCain.

Tiger's Fan
08-22-2008, 10:19 PM
Recx can smear Biden. Biden will be busy attacking McCain.

Rex will have to wait in line to "smear" Biden. And theres a TON of material to do so. What, David Duke wasn't available?

Thig Lyfe
08-22-2008, 10:20 PM
Me 2!

A super-arrogant, elitist, Northeastern super-liberal that voted for the Iraq War and has often praised McCain as a maverick?

It’s like a match made in McCain’s heaven.

The fact that you think this will clinch the election for McCain means that Obama will win in a landslide.

Mr. Kotter
08-22-2008, 10:21 PM
GObama!!!

Yea, team! :thumb:

Is that "even-handed" enough for you, IJ or PG? :shrug:

irishjayhawk
08-22-2008, 10:22 PM
GObama!!!

Yea, team! :thumb:

Is that "even-handed" enough for you, IJ or PG? :shrug:

You clearly don't understand what I was asking. And I think it clearly got to you.

DaneMcCloud
08-22-2008, 10:23 PM
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ROFL ROFL ROFL



You laugh in every single post you create. Do you know what that makes you?

The Court Jester.

beer bacon
08-22-2008, 10:23 PM
Rex will have to wait in line to "smear" Biden. And theres a TON of material to do so. What, David Duke wasn't available?

Wait, you mean the GOP is going to go extremely negative on Obama's VP pick? Nobody saw that coming.

beer bacon
08-22-2008, 10:24 PM
You laugh in every single post you create. Do you know what that makes you?

The Court Jester.

Actually, it makes him memy-lite.

irishjayhawk
08-22-2008, 10:24 PM
Wait, you mean the GOP is going to go extremely negative on Obama's VP pick? Nobody saw that coming.

No. They wouldn't. Honestly.

In seriousness, I thought you always pick a VP based on who they can least make fun of.

Ultra Peanut
08-22-2008, 10:26 PM
Wait, you mean the GOP is going to go extremely negative on Obama's VP pick? Nobody saw that coming.This. Is. HUGE! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nw6LBbeXTww)

HolmeZz
08-22-2008, 10:28 PM
Rex will have to wait in line to "smear" Biden. And theres a TON of material to do so. What, David Duke wasn't available?

The retardedness of you and Jake is amazing.

Mr. Kotter
08-22-2008, 10:30 PM
You clearly don't understand what I was asking. And I think it clearly got to you.


Got to me? Don't flatter yourself. How many bash McCain threads can I join it piling-on, for you? Guess I'll have to do a "search." Shoot.

I just like watching political neophytes succumbing to the idealism and enthusiasm of youth (it reminds me of a HS Pep-Rally before the homecoming game)...knowing the disillusionment and cynicism that will soon over-take that in the coming years, when the reality of American politics smacks them in the face (at least for the genuinely "smart" among them.)

Tiger's Fan
08-22-2008, 10:31 PM
Wait, you mean the GOP is going to go extremely negative on Obama's VP pick? Nobody saw that coming.

You're not drooling at the prospect of Romney? Or is honesty not in play here?

Smed1065
08-22-2008, 10:31 PM
I guess old Biden has changed his mind, eh?

At least he can remember changing it.

beer bacon
08-22-2008, 10:31 PM
No. They wouldn't. Honestly.

In seriousness, I thought you always pick a VP based on who they can least make fun of.

Playing defense has worked so great for the Democrats these last eight years. The GOP is just going to keep flinging shit against the wall no matter what, and they have been very good at getting some ridiculous smears to stick in recent elections. These are the people that went straight at the military record of one Vietnam vet Presidential candidate and another vet who lost his limbs in war. The GOP still managed to destroy their reputations, even while their own candidate was a coward who's daddy got him in the Texas National Guard.

You should be worried about whether or not Obama's VP candidate can attack successfully. If he is anything, Biden is an attacker.

Tiger's Fan
08-22-2008, 10:32 PM
The retardedness of you and Jake is amazing.

Yes, an excellent way to solidify your arguement. I guess substance escapes Obama supporters also.

beer bacon
08-22-2008, 10:36 PM
Yes, an excellent way to solidify your arguement. I guess substance escapes Obama supporters also.

That was a great comeback. Making an unprovable generalization always wins debates.

Captain Obvious
08-22-2008, 10:38 PM
You receive and F for telling someone they cannot cite Wikipedia.

Try citing it in a college classroom and see what happens.

beer bacon
08-22-2008, 10:39 PM
People like Pat Buchanan and Recxjake are always going to be convinced that every move their enemy makes is the one that is going lose them EVERYTHING. OMG, Obama went to The Dark Knight. This is great news for...JOHN MCCAIN!!!

Tiger's Fan
08-22-2008, 10:39 PM
That was a great comeback. Making an unprovable generalization always wins debates.

I assume you meant his comeback to me. Otherwise, you just don't look very intelligent.

beer bacon
08-22-2008, 10:40 PM
I assume you meant his comeback to me. Otherwise, you just don't look very intelligent.

What, I guess KU fans are illiterate!

Tiger's Fan
08-22-2008, 10:53 PM
What, I guess KU fans are illiterate!

You're the one quoting my responses to others, yet you can't keep up with the conversation. Yes, you're just full of substance. You don't see me responding to you as a MUron, yet you feel compelled to attempt to slight me, and my affiliation to a national power at the collegiate level. If pity was your goal, congradulations.

irishjayhawk
08-22-2008, 10:58 PM
Try citing it in a college classroom and see what happens.

And that doesn't make it any more part of the problem.

Ultra Peanut
08-22-2008, 11:02 PM
Seriously, you guys are ****ing hilarious.

Biden is going to be put on a SHOW.

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Taco John
08-22-2008, 11:09 PM
Biden will make a very eloquent attack dog.

Speaking of dogs...

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Ultra Peanut
08-22-2008, 11:12 PM
Biden will make a very eloquent attack dog.

Speaking of dogs...

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jjchieffan
08-23-2008, 12:07 AM
Fox news is so funny. They are doing a story speculating about a possible vp candidate, while the bottom of the screen reads Biden confirmed as Obama's vp choice.

HolmeZz
08-23-2008, 12:13 AM
I can already see the bumper stickers:

0bama/8iden

Taco John
08-23-2008, 12:14 AM
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Point for Jake here... There's no doubt in my mind that if the Democrats lose this race, it's because they cost themselves the election.

Ultra Peanut
08-23-2008, 12:15 AM
Anyways, we all know why rec hates Joe Cool:

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acesn8s
08-23-2008, 12:54 AM
Really? What has changed since then?
He took on Billary.

acesn8s
08-23-2008, 01:02 AM
You laugh in every single post you create. Do you know what that makes you?

The Court Jester.
Now that's funny.

HolmeZz
08-23-2008, 01:08 AM
Just got the text message.

Ultra Peanut
08-23-2008, 01:12 AM
boomboomboomboom HOT SHIT!

http://i33.tinypic.com/2sanomf.jpg

Mmmm I'm goin' down down, baby, yo street in a Range Rover
Street sweeper baby, cocked ready to let it go

acesn8s
08-23-2008, 01:19 AM
Just got the text message.It's official! Confirmed by HolmeZz.

HolmeZz
08-23-2008, 01:19 AM
It's official! Confirmed by HolmeZz.

Yup.

Be sure to give me credit!

ROYC75
08-23-2008, 01:21 AM
But this can't be true, has the Text messaging been sent to the ObamaNation, the Obots must get this first. It was reported they would get it first at 10:00 am Saturday with the official announcement at 3:00 pm.

So much for "CHANGE" ...... I can hear Obama, we changed the notice about text messaging because of the reporters..... blame it on Fox News.

# 1 If Obamarama wanted to keep it hush hush, have all 3 VP's pick present and throw the process of elimination out the window . The camp keep eliminating candidates till it became obvious.

# 2 " CHANGE " , Obama barks about career long candidates or senate members in Congress and he chooses one as a running mate ? So much for "CHANGE". Attaching part of the same ole with a same ole is not change. Obama is falling in the polls and it's because the Americans can see and feel his lack of leadership in foreign policy........ So he finds a career politician to help him in the respect.

How much change can we really believe in here Obama ? Answer : Just the person in the White House, that's all .

HolmeZz
08-23-2008, 01:24 AM
But this can't be true, has the Text messaging been sent to the ObamaNation, the Obots must get this first. It was reported they would get it first at 10:00 am Saturday with the official announcement at 3:00 pm.

So much for "CHANGE" ...... I can hear Obama, we changed the notice about text messaging because of the reporters..... blame it on Fox News.

# 1 If Obamarama wanted to keep it hush hush, have all 3 VP's pick present and throw the process of elimination out the window . The camp keep eliminating candidates till it became obvious.

# 2 " CHANGE " , Obama barks about career long candidates or senate members in Congress and he chooses one as a running mate ? So much for "CHANGE". Attaching part of the same ole with a same ole is not change. Obama is falling in the polls and it's because the Americans can see and feel his lack of leadership in foreign policy........ So he finds a career politician to help him in the respect.

How much change can we really believe in here Obama ? Answer : Just the person in the White House, that's all .

I think you were probably born more intelligent than you are now.

Ultra Peanut
08-23-2008, 01:26 AM
Go to bed, Roy.

I think you were probably born more intelligent than you are now.It's got electrolytes!

ROYC75
08-23-2008, 01:36 AM
I think you were probably born more intelligent than you are now.


You think too much ....... The story came out before the text did .

There was no way it was going to be held a secret for the Obots to get it first, we knew this because the press is all over this shit.

If Obama wanted new blood for a change, Kain was his man, someone who just like Obama , requiring OTJT. But instead with him falling in the polls due to the current over seas interest, so Joe Biden gets the nod because of his foreign leadership ability . Obama had to pick a " Daddy figure " to help him continue his bid by using as a stop gap in the declining polls ....... Yep, that's "CHANGE" .

And the Obots want to attack the republicans because of career politicians.

Direckshun
08-23-2008, 01:57 AM
Time for substantive material for this thread...

What are the positives of the Biden addition? What are the negatives?

+
1. He doesn't help the electoral map, so Obama wins on not panicking due to poll numbers.
2. Very experienced, been in the Senate since 29.
3. Is much like McCain with his "oh grandpa" crotchety charm.
4. Counters Obama's perceived lack of foreign policy cred.
5. Former Clintonian who may bring some of Hillary's folks back under the umbrella.
6. If Obama/Biden wins, Delaware will undoubtedly replace Biden with a Democrat.
7. Will have no problem confronting Obama in a future administration if he disagrees.
8. Good attack dog.

-
1. He doesn't help the electoral map.
2. Hillary supporters will still be largely unsatisfied.
3. He is a gaffe-machine, due to how he shoots from the hip (much like McCain).
4. I hate the young prez/old veep combo.
5. Would he run for office in 2016?
6. Could be a better attack dog.
7. Voted for the Iraq War, which could be an issue but I don't suspect it will.
8. He is a Senator, and the record of Senator/Senator tickets isn't great.

I personally would have preferred Kaine, but I can live with Biden.

Direckshun
08-23-2008, 02:00 AM
If Obama wanted new blood for a change, Kain was his man, someone who just like Obama , requiring OTJT. But instead with him falling in the polls due to the current over seas interest, so Joe Biden gets the nod because of his foreign leadership ability . Obama had to pick a " Daddy figure " to help him continue his bid by using as a stop gap in the declining polls ....... Yep, that's "CHANGE" .
Eh this was going either way. Experience vs. Change.

He went the route of experience. Biden does not help Obama immediately on the electoral map anywhere, so you can't say this is a kneejerk selection.

Does he help him with an issue here or there (particularly foreign policy)? Absolutely, veeps always should.

I don't like the young prez/old veep ticket that much, but you can't blame him for it. I'm sure you didn't blame Bush for it in 2000.

Logical
08-23-2008, 02:11 AM
You laugh in every single post you create. Do you know what that makes you?

The Court Jester.
:thumb:

Logical
08-23-2008, 02:14 AM
Playing defense has worked so great for the Democrats these last eight years. The GOP is just going to keep flinging shit against the wall no matter what, and they have been very good at getting some ridiculous smears to stick in recent elections. These are the people that went straight at the military record of one Vietnam vet Presidential candidate and another vet who lost his limbs in war. The GOP still managed to destroy their reputations, even while their own candidate was a coward who's daddy got him in the Texas National Guard.

You should be worried about whether or not Obama's VP candidate can attack successfully. If he is anything, Biden is an attacker.
So true, I think he has negatives and the idea is to let them get those out early. I have a funny feeling that if they use attack ads those will be flipped on McCain because most of his negatives are the same.

Logical
08-23-2008, 02:29 AM
You receive and F for telling someone they cannot cite Wikipedia.In fairness anyone can edit Wikipedia so it is a nice and convenient quick reference but it should not be used as a scholarly reference.

Guru
08-23-2008, 03:39 AM
All these news people camped out at Biden's all night long is so damn funny.

chagrin
08-23-2008, 05:03 AM
Oh, I get it.

Obama = Not experienced enough.

Biden = Too experienced.

Come on dude, you know you're one of the people who are "voting for change"

nice attempt to spin it, hypocrite LMAO

Saggysack
08-23-2008, 05:11 AM
Time for substantive material for this thread...

What are the positives of the Biden addition? What are the negatives?

+
1. He doesn't help the electoral map, so Obama wins on not panicking due to poll numbers.


-
1. He doesn't help the electoral map.



but I can live with Biden.

These are the biggest issues for me. I'll admit the pick has me a little nervous. When your #1 positive and negative are a wash, that can't be good. And then add in the gaffes... Great, why do we need to keep on giving Faux News and their audience that doesn't have the intellectual capacity beyond a bunch of cluttered and cut up soundbytes more ammo. Still won't change my vote, just can't see how it adds any others at this point.

Admittedly though, I do need to learn more about Biden to have a more accurate view of him.

memyselfI
08-23-2008, 05:39 AM
I like Biden, I think he should be the one at the top of the ticket.

The two of them together? Well, the plagiarism ticket is now stocked with one guy who can't speak without a teleprompter and the other who won't stop talking and could probably use one.

:D

***SPRAYER
08-23-2008, 07:46 AM
"I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy, I mean, that's a storybook, man."

Yeah but have you seen his kitchen and bathroom?

ROFL

irishjayhawk
08-23-2008, 09:17 AM
In fairness anyone can edit Wikipedia so it is a nice and convenient quick reference but it should not be used as a scholarly reference.

I'm sorry, when Wikipedia is 100% correct, it doesn't matter. Now, if you cite them and it is wrong, it looks poorly on you.

Wikipedia just gets a bad wrap. Most of the time it's 100% correct.

penchief
08-23-2008, 09:47 AM
Man, some of you people are pathetic. Biden has been an honorable public servant for over 30 years. With an emphasis on "honorable" and "Public Servant."

As far as applicants go he's as clean as anyone. It never ceases to amaze me how low republicans/conservatives will go to win an election. Nothing Biden has ever done will justify his being torn down the way the republican smear machine will commence doing.

I think most of you are a little testy because you know that McCain's bullshit smear campaign just hit a bump in the road. Biden is a well-respected no nonsense straight-talker who will call McCain out on his weasely personal attacks and his daily gaffes.

Biden will be the most qualified person on either ticket when it comes national security, foreign affairs, and the enonomy. It's a shame that a good man has to be personally attacked by people far less honorable than himself.

Baby Lee
08-23-2008, 09:53 AM
Playing defense has worked so great for the Democrats these last eight years. The GOP is just going to keep flinging shit against the wall no matter what, and they have been very good at getting some ridiculous smears to stick in recent elections. These are the people that went straight at the military record of one Vietnam vet Presidential candidate and another vet who lost his limbs in war. The GOP still managed to destroy their reputations, even while their own candidate was a coward who's daddy got him in the Texas National Guard.

You should be worried about whether or not Obama's VP candidate can attack successfully. If he is anything, Biden is an attacker.

They didn't attack his military record. They attacked his present political stances on issues [you know the thing you do when you disagree with someone's stance on an issue] and the dems screamed "don't disagree with him, he's a war hero" [you know, that thing that McCain is presently an a-hole for doing].

Baby Lee
08-23-2008, 09:55 AM
As far as applicants go he's as clean as anyone.
Except for that plagiarism thing that cost him a presidential bid.

NCarlsCorner2
08-23-2008, 10:00 AM
Except for that plagiarism thing that cost him a presidential bid.

It's going to cost Obama one also.

tiptap
08-23-2008, 10:03 AM
Great things about the Biden pick:

1. Brings no other states into play for Obama
2. Gaffe Machine
3. Pisses off Hillary supporters
4. 6 term US Senator- some change
5. Lots and lots of audio/video on prior comments
6. Racist
7. Cheater in school
8. C/D Student
9. Long record of failure in Presidential politics

1 doesn't lose a Senate seat in getting to 60
2 also gets in the good phrase and will take the fighter role gladly
3 Hillary will be larger in the Senate
4 balances the TOP of the ticket and no one thinks Biden wouldn't be a honest sounding board.
5 This is true.
6 It will go well with Appalachia
7 This is where you learn these lessons.
8 see above
9 as does McCain

tiptap
08-23-2008, 10:05 AM
Except for that plagiarism thing that cost him a presidential bid.

To academics this is an important issue, but for the general population it is an academic point.

Smed1065
08-23-2008, 10:06 AM
The fact that you think this will clinch the election for McCain means that Obama will win in a landslide.

I was glad to see I was not the only one that relates to the obvious.

Oh I almost forgot...
ROFLROFLROFLROFLROFLROFLROFLROFLROFLROFLROFLROFLROFLROFLROFL

penchief
08-23-2008, 10:06 AM
Except for that plagarism thing that cost him a presidential bid.

You know there's a funny thing about that. He used those same words several times in which he did cite the author. He got busted for the one time that he didn't. Take that how you want but that happened 20 years ago and he's done more than enough to make up for that minor digression.

If you want honesty in government you should be worrying less about Biden forgetting to cite someone 20 years ago and more about government accountability and transparency in the Bush White House.

Of course, we all know that only democrats are liars and exaggerators. We know that only democrats are unfaithful and unpatriotic. We know that only democrats are unfit to be president. Meanwhile, republican rule has given us some of the most corrupt, dishonest, and counterproductive governance in our country's history.

Smed1065
08-23-2008, 10:10 AM
People like Pat Buchanan and Recxjake are always going to be convinced that every move their enemy makes is the one that is going lose them EVERYTHING. OMG, Obama went to The Dark Knight. This is great news for...JOHN MCCAIN!!!

Can't hurt his "right" prediction average.

:doh!:

Baby Lee
08-23-2008, 10:14 AM
You know there's a funny thing about that. He used those same words several times in which he did cite the author. He got busted for the one time that he didn't. Take that how you want but that happened 20 years ago and he's done more than enough to make up for that minor digression.

If you want honesty in government you should be worrying less about Biden forgetting to cite someone 20 years ago and more about government accountability and transparency in the Bush White House.

Of course, we all know that only democrats are liars and exaggerators. We know that only democrats are unfaithful and unpatriotic. We know that only democrats are unfit to be president. Meanwhile, republican rule has given us some of the most corrupt, dishonest, and counterproductive governance in our country's history.

You DO realize that when I referenced the plagiarism, it wasn't to say it automatically disqualified him, but in response to your assertion that he's an honorable, clean, paragon who has done nothing to merit criticism.

whatsmynameagain
08-23-2008, 10:27 AM
ill take the plagerism over cheating on wife if you want go back 10 more years. I mean since mccains affair was long ago and in the past...........Posted via Mobile Device

BucEyedPea
08-23-2008, 10:40 AM
I wonder if Biden will be to Obama what Cheney was to Bush due to his being a signatory to PNAC?

Now that we have the questionable precedent of giving more authority and power to a VP under the Bush administration, that means whoever is in power next will use it.

I think these things about Biden should be questioned more than the plagiarism claims, as it affects us more.

Baby Lee
08-23-2008, 10:44 AM
ill take the plagerism over cheating on wife if you want go back 10 more years. I mean since mccains affair was long ago and in the past...........Posted via Mobile Device

Way to completely miss the point [maybe it doesn't show up on your Mobile Device].

Be sure and stash this away so a few months from now you can dismiss an argument with "this from the guys who think that plagiarism is the worst crime evah!!"

memyselfI
08-23-2008, 10:55 AM
It's funny that the Obama/Biden choice is going to give birth to all sorts of ironic sounding variations of their names. :thumb:

http://images.cafepress.com/product/297167613v1_350x350_Front.jpg

Messier
08-23-2008, 11:01 AM
It's funny that the Obama/Biden choice is going to give birth to all sorts of ironic sounding variations of their names. :thumb:

http://images.cafepress.com/product/297167613v1_350x350_Front.jpg

Stretch. But that can be your new avatar.

splatbass
08-23-2008, 11:11 AM
It's funny that the Obama/Biden choice is going to give birth to all sorts of ironic sounding variations of their names. :thumb:

http://images.cafepress.com/product/297167613v1_350x350_Front.jpg

It is sad and pathetic that anyone would be low enough to use something like that. You should be ashamed (but I know you have no shame).

memyselfI
08-23-2008, 11:15 AM
Stretch. But that can be your new avatar.

Possibly. But it won't be a 'stretch' for long. The tshirts and bumper stickers are apparently already for sale on Cafe Press.

NCarlsCorner2
08-23-2008, 11:16 AM
Stretch. But that can be your new avatar.

I like it, way to express yourself through art.

Chief Henry
08-23-2008, 11:16 AM
It is sad and pathetic that anyone would be low enough to use something like that. You should be ashamed (but I know you have no shame).

I think its funny. Its tweaking the Obots again.

memyselfI
08-23-2008, 11:17 AM
It is sad and pathetic that anyone would be low enough to use something like that. You should be ashamed (but I know you have no shame).

Oh waaaaaaaaa. That play on words would not have worked for ANY other possible VP candidate. NObama just happened to pick for which it did work.

splatbass
08-23-2008, 11:19 AM
I think its funny. Its tweaking the Obots again.

Of course you think it is funny. :rolleyes:

Ultra Peanut
08-23-2008, 01:27 PM
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tiptap
08-23-2008, 01:38 PM
Maverdick

Messier
08-23-2008, 01:44 PM
Possibly. But it won't be a 'stretch' for long. The tshirts and bumper stickers are apparently already for sale on Cafe Press.

Well, hurry out and get yourself some!

Wear 'em proudly!

Thig Lyfe
08-23-2008, 01:50 PM
Come on dude, you know you're one of the people who are "voting for change"

nice attempt to spin it, hypocrite LMAO

Biden doesn't cancel out the "change" element of the campaign at all...

NCarlsCorner2
08-23-2008, 01:54 PM
Biden doesn't cancel out the "change" element of the campaign at all...

But he does a lot for the some old talk different empty suit element.

Thig Lyfe
08-23-2008, 01:56 PM
But he does a lot for the some old talk different empty suit element.

Huh? Biden's not an empty suit at all. He's a real person and actually has principles (unlike McCain, who sacrificed all credibility to shamelessly pander to the conservative base).

***SPRAYER
08-23-2008, 02:29 PM
(unlike McCain, who sacrificed all credibility to shamelessly pander to the conservative base).

It really bothers you that conservatives might actually vote for McCain, doesn't it?

ROFL

Too bad.

DaKCMan AP
08-23-2008, 02:39 PM
It really bothers you that conservatives might actually vote for McCain, doesn't it?

ROFL

Too bad.

It make sense. A group of hypocrites voting for a hypocrite.

Donger
08-23-2008, 02:44 PM
It's funny that the Obama/Biden choice is going to give birth to all sorts of ironic sounding variations of their names. :thumb:

http://images.cafepress.com/product/297167613v1_350x350_Front.jpg

That's not too bad, if you're a German.

Messier
08-23-2008, 02:44 PM
Conservatives are very good at putting up a united front, regardless of the quality of the candidate. They are better than the Democrats at rallying the base. The Republicans are very good at winning elections.

ChiTown
08-23-2008, 03:05 PM
It is sad and pathetic that anyone would be low enough to use something like that. You should be ashamed (but I know you have no shame).

:deevee:

ChiTown
08-23-2008, 03:08 PM
It make sense. A group of hypocrites voting for a hypocrite.

:spock:

Guru
08-23-2008, 03:31 PM
It make sense. A group of hypocrites voting for a hypocrite.
If you work in politics, you are automatically a hypocrite. All politicians are, make no mistake about it.

memyselfI
08-23-2008, 03:34 PM
That's not too bad, if you're a German.

My Grandma is, does that count? :D

DaneMcCloud
08-23-2008, 04:08 PM
Obama's selection of a running mate is very important to registered Independent voters like myself.

Biden's been a strong leader in the Senate and his foreign policy experience is outstanding. His choice also brings more than 35 years of Washington experience, which limits the Republicans from claiming that the Obama ticket is lacking the experience necessary to lead. Biden's always been a fairly reasonable guy and his plan for Iraq was the best I'd heard.

As I've said all along in this forum, the Presidential and V.P. debates will be absolutely key in deciding the 2008 election.

Why?

Because registered Republicans will vote Republican and see no flaws in their candidates. Registered Democrats will vote Democrat and see no flaw in their candidates.

The "tie" vote, if you will, will come from registered Independents and people who aren't blindly loyal to their chosen party.

And until the debates have concluded, the polls will be virtually meaningless.

'Hamas' Jenkins
08-23-2008, 04:13 PM
I just want to make sure I have everything clear:

Biden plagiarizing a speech is reprehensible, McCain plagiarizing a speech is admirable.

Right?

***SPRAYER
08-23-2008, 04:13 PM
It make sense. A group of hypocrites voting for a hypocrite.

:drool:

Messier
08-23-2008, 04:20 PM
:drool:

You post the drool quite a bit. Is that when the meds start kicking in?

Zebedee DuBois
08-23-2008, 04:21 PM
Why?

Because registered Republicans will vote Republican and see no flaws in their candidates. Registered Democrats will vote Democrat and see no flaw in their candidates.



I am a registered Republican, previously a multiple term precinct committeeman.
I plan on voting for Obama. I am very tired, now disgusted, with the neocon movement in the party. I can't think of anything the Republican administration has done in the past six years that shouldn't be classified a failure, unless viewed thru neocon glasses.

This country needs a breath of fresh air.


(not disagreeing with your broader statement at all)

Messier
08-23-2008, 04:26 PM
You post the drool quite a bit. Is that when the meds start kicking in?

Sorry. That was rude.

alnorth
08-23-2008, 04:39 PM
As a loyal Republican who will be voting for McCain while being mostly happy with that vote, I do have to admit that Biden was an excellent choice for Obama. There is not a single other possibility that would potentially help him more, both politically and otherwise, than him.

Guru
08-23-2008, 04:48 PM
I just want to make sure I have everything clear:

Biden plagiarizing a speech is reprehensible, McCain plagiarizing a speech is admirable.

Right?

Nah, the both suck for that.

Ultra Peanut
08-23-2008, 05:30 PM
I am a registered Republican, previously a multiple term precinct committeeman.
I plan on voting for Obama. I am very tired, now disgusted, with the neocon movement in the party. I can't think of anything the Republican administration has done in the past six years that shouldn't be classified a failure, unless viewed thru neocon glasses.

This country needs a breath of fresh air.


(not disagreeing with your broader statement at all)you commie pinko bastard ****er

penchief
08-23-2008, 06:26 PM
I wonder if Biden will be to Obama what Cheney was to Bush due to his being a signatory to PNAC?

Now that we have the questionable precedent of giving more authority and power to a VP under the Bush administration, that means whoever is in power next will use it.

I think these things about Biden should be questioned more than the plagiarism claims, as it affects us more.

Why do you keep saying this? He signed one letter concerning Russia's relapse into authoritarianism. You are making it sound like he is in cahoots with all those people who advocated Shock and Awe. I believe what you are doing is intellectually dishonest.

Why didn't you address this the last two times I pointed this out to you?

penchief
08-23-2008, 07:24 PM
Great things about the Biden pick:

1. Brings no other states into play for Obama
2. Gaffe Machine
3. Pisses off Hillary supporters
4. 6 term US Senator- some change
5. Lots and lots of audio/video on prior comments
6. Racist
7. Cheater in school
8. C/D Student
9. Long record of failure in Presidential politics

Stop calling him a racist, you disrespectul little shit. You don't know what you're talking about. You should grow up a little bit before you start smearing people who have more decency in their pinky finger than you have in your entire body.

penchief
08-23-2008, 07:29 PM
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That doesn't make him a racist. Grow up.

DeezNutz
08-23-2008, 07:32 PM
"My state is a slave state."

Interesting. The debates should be fun.

Donger
08-23-2008, 07:55 PM
That doesn't make him a racist. Grow up.

Of course not. He's a Democrat.

penchief
08-24-2008, 10:28 PM
Of course not. He's a Democrat.

That doesn't have anything to do with it. I'm sure lots of democrats are closet racists but Biden isn't one of them. You'll need a lot more evidence than what you're throwing around before you can convince me. His record in civil rights and his compassion for others has been too strong.

That said, you don't see me throwing the racist card around so you're off base when you suggest that I think democrats can't be racist.